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post Mar 12 2021, 09:57 AM, updated 4w ago

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https://www.carlist.my/news/2021-honda-city...50-82161/82161/

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RM 106K, okay I'll skip. Even though its a Hybrid.
And probably so is the rest.

Take example of cars that fail to be popular at near RM 100K mark.

1) Honda Freed - from RM 99,800.
2) Toyota Sienta - RM92,900 for a compact MPV

And what more with this pricing, people will opt for the bigger HRV . OR Civic 1.8s at RM 109.

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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Mar 12 2021, 01:42 PM)
RM 106K, okay I'll skip. Even though its a Hybrid.
And probably so is the rest.

Take example of cars that fail to be popular at near RM 100K mark.

1) Honda Freed - from RM 99,800.
2) Toyota Sienta - RM92,900 for a compact MPV

And what more with this pricing, people will opt for the bigger HRV . OR Civic 1.8s at RM 109.
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This one is for torque hungry folks lah. More than Camry don't play paly.
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Mar 12 2021, 02:36 PM)
This one is for torque hungry folks lah.  More than Camry don't play paly.
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While that torque figure looks impressive on paper, it takes 9.9 seconds to go from 0-100km/h.
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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Mar 12 2021, 03:44 PM)
While that torque figure looks impressive on paper, it takes 9.9 seconds to go from 0-100km/h.
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9.9 already beat many C, D, crossovers....Some more at that price lor
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I top up abit i can go for Honda Civic yo
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Source: wapcar

<a href='https://www.<spam link removed>/news/review-driving-the-world%E2%80%99s-first-2020-honda-city-rs-with-immd-in-malaysia-6249' target='_blank'>https://www.<spam link removed>/news/review-driving-t...n-malaysia-6249</a>

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It is a long read but info and insight packed...May one realize how much first time this model is made only available in Malaysia and not elsewhere in South East Asia.

We are honoured, Honda. Thank you. notworthy.gif

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https://www.<spam link removed>/cars/nissan/kicks

If it is launched this year with e Power, than Honda will have true Challenger

Both these two reported fuel sip of only 4L per 100 km and more than 250 Nm torque.

Both B segment but Kick has high riding ...So who knows, may be Nissan could win this one
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Mar 12 2021, 03:48 PM)
9.9 already beat many C, D, crossovers....Some more at that price lor
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Yeah, but still cannot beat X50. Cheaper yet faster. lulz.

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Source: wapcar

<a href='https://www.<spam link removed>/news/review-driving-the-world%E2%80%99s-first-2020-honda-city-rs-with-immd-in-malaysia-6249' target='_blank'>https://www.<spam link removed>/news/review-driving-t...n-malaysia-6249</a>

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It is a long read but info and insight packed...May one realize how much first time this model is made only available in Malaysia and not elsewhere in South East Asia.

We are honoured, Honda. Thank you. notworthy.gif
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HM pung pang said world premier,only available in Msia, but then Thai launch and get the car first. Lol. Topkek.
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Top up a bit get Civic
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QUOTE(Pugbunny @ Mar 14 2021, 12:21 PM)
Top up a bit get Civic
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Make sense. city 150kmh already feel floaty. civic on the other hand very stable on that speed.
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QUOTE(DS51 @ Mar 14 2021, 12:07 PM)
Yeah, but still cannot beat X50. Cheaper yet faster. lulz.
HM pung pang said world premier,only available in Msia, but then Thai launch and get the car first. Lol. Topkek.
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Lost on price and century sprint, but won on fuel economy by a big margin. Then the boot space also in City's favour. Another obvious : Stronger Brand

All those could be considering factors for potential buyers. Each on his own.

Please re read the.wapcar article to know what is the difference between the unimpressive City RS spec'd in Thailsnd and ours


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QUOTE(Ball of Fish ball @ Mar 12 2021, 03:57 PM)
I top up abit i can go for Honda Civic yo
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QUOTE(Pugbunny @ Mar 14 2021, 12:21 PM)
Top up a bit get Civic
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QUOTE(DM52 @ Mar 14 2021, 02:19 PM)
Make sense. city 150kmh already feel floaty. civic on the other hand very stable on that speed.
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Think you guys are referring to the 1.8 SOHC Civic, right?

Old tech comparing to NEW TECH mah, so how to compare? unless the comparison is only solely for higher segment with lesser and missing active safety features also don't mind

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Mar 14 2021, 02:52 PM)
Lost on price and century sprint, but won on fuel economy by a big margin. Then the boot space also in City's favour. Another obvious : Stronger Brand

All those could be considering factors for potential buyers. Each on his own.

Please re read the.wapcar article to know what is the difference between the unimpressive City RS spec'd in Thailsnd and ours
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Dude..u share the old news la dei. Thailand get exact model like ours la. lol. Thailand rs not 1.0 turbo one, but exactly same like our city rs.

Yes, the news u share got updated news one. lol. go find the latest article.
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Mar 14 2021, 02:52 PM)
Lost on price and century sprint, but won on fuel economy by a big margin. Then the boot space also in City's favour. Another obvious : Stronger Brand

All those could be considering factors for potential buyers. Each on his own.

Please re read the.wapcar article to know what is the difference between the unimpressive City RS spec'd in Thailsnd and ours
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Those city RS they compare with, is city RS petrol variant. while our is city RS hybrid variant. And Thailand get city RS hybrid variant too and faster than us. So world premier words throw to the sea. Lol.


QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Mar 14 2021, 03:36 PM)
Think you guys are referring to the 1.8 SOHC Civic, right?

Old tech comparing to NEW TECH mah, so how to compare? unless the comparison is only solely for higher segment with lesser and missing active safety features also don't mind
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Yes, new car will always brings new tech, but it does not neccessarily means better overall. For me, I always favour drivability and stability over everythings.

You can put everything, but if the segment is A, it still lose to B segment in term of drivability, Same goes to B to C, C to D.

Last time got people compare civic 2.0navi to accord 2.0, price almost the same, but stability/comfort/feel, u just cant beat higher segment.
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QUOTE(DS51 @ Mar 14 2021, 06:19 PM)
Dude..u share the old news la dei. Thailand get exact model like ours la. lol. Thailand rs not 1.0 turbo one, but exactly same like our city rs.

Yes, the news u share got updated news one. lol. go find the latest article.
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I see....I stand corrected then
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QUOTE(DM52 @ Mar 14 2021, 06:39 PM)
Those city RS they compare with, is city RS petrol variant. while our is city RS hybrid variant. And Thailand get city RS hybrid variant too and faster than us. So world premier words throw to the sea. Lol.
Yes, new car will always brings new tech, but it does not neccessarily means better overall. For me, I always favour drivability and stability over everythings.

You can put everything, but if the segment is A, it still lose to B segment in term of drivability, Same goes to B to C,  C to D.

Last time got people compare civic 2.0navi to accord 2.0, price almost the same, but stability/comfort/feel, u just cant beat higher segment.
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I stand corrected then about the Thai and Malaysia city RS . Damn.

Well different folks different stroke. Some just want the best segment can buy , and don't want C and D . This may be for them?
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This city RS or civic 1.8..... another problem also
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Mar 12 2021, 03:48 PM)
9.9 already beat many C, D, crossovers....Some more at that price lor
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Pricewise, maybe. But the 2013 CRZ, sporting a similar setup, albeit with less torque, and being a much older hybrid system, goes from 0-100 in 9 seconds iirc. You'd expect the City Hybrid being faster than 9.9 seconds considering it's Hybrid system is much more advanced than the CRZ, plus the torque figures are fairly impressive on the spec sheet.

Wonder why it doesn't translate to real world performance.


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I know this is more to Honda side but with X50 around and that price point, it's normal for car user to have dilemma from getting RS.

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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Mar 15 2021, 02:44 PM)
Pricewise, maybe. But the 2013 CRZ, sporting a similar setup, albeit with less torque, and being a much older hybrid system, goes from 0-100 in 9 seconds iirc. You'd expect the City Hybrid being faster than 9.9 seconds considering it's Hybrid system is much more advanced than the CRZ, plus the torque figures are fairly impressive on the spec sheet.

Wonder why it doesn't translate to real world performance.
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I always full throttle my crz at traffic light leave car behind and still get quite good fc 11.5km/L. lol.

btw, I expect more too from this 253nm. why so slow nia. If city b segment sedan can touch 8 second, I think it will sell like hot cakes
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when hybrid battery KO then GG
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top up a bit civic 1.8, ppl ask you what car u drive, you say city, ppl say, cheh, city only, if you say civic, ppl wow ....
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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Mar 15 2021, 02:44 PM)
Pricewise, maybe. But the 2013 CRZ, sporting a similar setup, albeit with less torque, and being a much older hybrid system, goes from 0-100 in 9 seconds iirc. You'd expect the City Hybrid being faster than 9.9 seconds considering it's Hybrid system is much more advanced than the CRZ, plus the torque figures are fairly impressive on the spec sheet.

Wonder why it doesn't translate to real world performance.
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QUOTE(DS51 @ Mar 15 2021, 11:12 PM)
I always full throttle my crz at traffic light leave car behind and still get quite good fc 11.5km/L.  lol.

btw, I expect more too from this 253nm. why so slow nia. If city b segment sedan can touch 8 second, I think it will sell like hot cakes
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Don't get taken away by the torque number, it is an illusion.

Gearbox or transmission do 2 things 1)change speed 2)convert torque.
- output gear bigger than input gear = reduce speed, and increase torque
- output gear smaller than input gear = increase speed, and reduce torque

both speed and torque change at the same proportion, one up, the other one down at same ratio.
Which means the horsepower remain constant regardless what gear you are in, only reduced by friction loss. Torque is work, horsepower is work done per unit time. You can take it as how frequent it can apply the torque. Eg:. engine1 100nm 100hp, engine2 50nm 100hp. Let's simplified with the max torque happens at max rpm. Engine2 need double the rpm to reach same 100hp.
For both to move at same speed
- engine1 1000rpm 100nm with 1:1 ratio output 1000rpm 100nm 100hp.
- engine2 2000rpm 50nm with 2:1 ratio output 1000rpm 100nm 100hp.

Electric motor spins very fast, 10,000rpm is very common. I don't have i-MMD traction motor detail spec, for your reference Volvo ERAD motor top up at [email protected]/h, Model 3 Long Range motor [email protected]/h. Thus electric motor has speed reduction gear, which is good. Eg:. 10:1 drop where motor spin 10 rotation, wheel spin 1 rotation, and torque is 10x on the wheel.

Everything are nice and positive for the RS until this point. Here's the 2 limitations.

- First, everyone knows electric motor torque drop off at higher rpm. But Honda never publish the data, we don't know how's the performance, don't know rpm when it hit 108hp, don't know 253nm rpm range. Generally the max torque will only sustain 1/3 to 1/2 of the max rpm range. So expect the 253nm last until 50km/h - 60km/h, a wild guess, depends on the speed reduction ratio and motor torque curve.
This is still ok, consider in ICE when we shift to higher gear, the torque on the wheel drop as well. ICE can get 16:1 - 20:1 (first gear times final drive ratio), more aggressive than electric motor. 2nd gear down to 9:1 to 12:1, and 3rd gear 6:1 to 8:1. So, with more aggressive 1st gear, a 160nm-170nm car might get similar or higher torque on wheel at the first gear.

- The biggest limitation is the 1.5L is only 97hp and the battery is also small 1.3kWh. Conservation of energy, the electric motor can only consume as much power as the engine able to charge the battery. In this car, the engine is less powerful than the electric motor, and charging rate also limited by the generator power. If you in constant high load all the time, you can't get more than 97hp, although this is unlikely to happen on real world. Honda quoted 60% pure EV at 40km/h, and 30% pure EV at 60km/h. The bigger sibling like CR-V, Accord hybrid get 50% pure EV at 60km/h, 30% pure EV at 100km/h. The number are all for stable cruising. So you can see, the ICE won't be able to keep up the charging if you drive aggressively.

It is a utility car for urban usage, designed for low speed city traffic jam economy. Want a fast car, go buy a proper fast car. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Mar 17 2021, 12:10 AM)
Don't get taken away by the torque number, it is an illusion.

Gearbox or transmission do 2 things 1)change speed 2)convert torque.
- output gear bigger than input gear = reduce speed, and increase torque
- output gear smaller than input gear = increase speed, and reduce torque

both speed and torque change at the same proportion, one up, the other one down at same ratio.
Which means the horsepower remain constant regardless what gear you are in, only reduced by friction loss. Torque is work, horsepower is work done per unit time. You can take it as how frequent it can apply the torque. Eg:. engine1 100nm 100hp, engine2 50nm 100hp. Let's simplified with the max torque happens at max rpm. Engine2 need double the rpm to reach same 100hp.
For both to move at same speed
- engine1 1000rpm 100nm with 1:1 ratio output 1000rpm 100nm 100hp.
- engine2 2000rpm 50nm with 2:1 ratio output 1000rpm 100nm 100hp.

Electric motor spins very fast, 10,000rpm is very common. I don't have i-MMD traction motor detail spec, for your reference Volvo ERAD motor top up at [email protected]/h, Model 3 Long Range motor [email protected]/h. Thus electric motor has speed reduction gear, which is good. Eg:. 10:1 drop where motor spin 10 rotation, wheel spin 1 rotation, and torque is 10x on the wheel.

Everything are nice and positive for the RS until this point. Here's the 2 limitations.

- First, everyone knows electric motor torque drop off at higher rpm. But Honda never publish the data, we don't know how's the performance, don't know rpm when it hit 108hp, don't know 253nm rpm range. Generally the max torque will only sustain 1/3 to 1/2 of the max rpm range. So expect the 253nm last until 50km/h - 60km/h, a wild guess, depends on the speed reduction ratio and motor torque curve.
This is still ok, consider in ICE when we shift to higher gear, the torque on the wheel drop as well. ICE can get 16:1 - 20:1 (first gear times final drive ratio), more aggressive than electric motor. 2nd gear down to 9:1 to 12:1, and 3rd gear 6:1 to 8:1. So, with more aggressive 1st gear, a 160nm-170nm car might get similar or higher torque on wheel at the first gear.

- The biggest limitation is the 1.5L is only 97hp and the battery is also small 1.3kWh. Conservation of energy, the electric motor can only consume as much power as the engine able to charge the battery. In this car, the engine is less powerful than the electric motor, and charging rate also limited by the generator power. If you in constant high load all the time, you can't get more than 97hp, although this is unlikely to happen on real world. Honda quoted 60% pure EV at 40km/h, and 30% pure EV at 60km/h. The bigger sibling like CR-V, Accord hybrid get 50% pure EV at 60km/h, 30% pure EV at 100km/h. The number are all for stable cruising. So you can see, the ICE won't be able to keep up the charging if you drive aggressively.

It is a utility car for urban usage, designed for low speed city traffic jam economy. Want a fast car, go buy a proper fast car.  laugh.gif
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Thanks for sharing. Very well explained.

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All here talk about 0-100 lah, torque lah (yes its important), all related to acceleration to "tapao this car, that car".

Don't know why Honda empathise on super acceleration.
A Hybrid is meant to save fuel - Something Malaysians like to talk. FC FC FC all day.

I have nothing against Hybrids - But Hybrids should not be treated like a drag car on a drag strip.


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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Mar 17 2021, 10:23 AM)
All here talk about 0-100 lah, torque lah (yes its important), all related to acceleration to "tapao this car, that car".

Don't know why Honda empathise on super acceleration.
A Hybrid is meant to save fuel - Something Malaysians like to talk. FC FC FC all day.

I have nothing against Hybrids - But Hybrids should not be treated like a drag car on a drag strip.
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Agree, Bro. Shouldn't this car be 8 seconds with 253nm of torque?
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Facepalm when people looking at City but so concerned with performance. Get with the facts that it will never be known for performance. They were designed with efficiency in mind.

If you want quick 0-60 or 0-100, look elsewhere. I have a Vios for my daily, and I couldn't be bothered what it does 0-60/100. I have my Mini Cooper S and M3 for that.

Nothing against people wanting a quick car. Everyone wants a reliable and efficient car, and if it can be fast, it's a bonus. But come on lahh
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QUOTE(McFD2R @ Mar 17 2021, 10:24 AM)
Facepalm when people looking at City but so concerned with performance. Get with the facts that it will never be known for performance. They were designed with efficiency in mind.

If you want quick 0-60 or 0-100, look elsewhere. I have a Vios for my daily, and I couldn't be bothered what it does 0-60/100. I have my Mini Cooper S and M3 for that.

Nothing against people wanting a quick car. Everyone wants a reliable and efficient car, and if it can be fast, it's a bonus. But come on lahh
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Yes, want a fun car go buy a fun car, want a fast car go buy a fast car.

So many people keep imagining an urban utility car to be fast and get carried away with the marketing hype.

There is a joker created a new city FB group, and he is so damn obsessed with 0-100 time. He so proud his 1.5L NA is faster than a 2.5L turbo. You know which one? The 1.8 tonnes 2.5L turbo diesel Hiace. rclxm9.gif
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It's all in the driving feel regardless what the numbers say.

Are test drive units already available in showroom ?
If yes, plan to go test drive this weekend.

No plan to buy. Happy with my petrol guzzling 2 cars currently.


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QUOTE(La2yboy @ Mar 16 2021, 01:23 PM)
when hybrid battery KO then GG
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i do think it will very fast KO because the main engine is the motor, while the petrol engine just as backup when high speed and charging the battery.. repeatedly charge sure makes any battery not gonna last long..
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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Mar 17 2021, 09:23 AM)
All here talk about 0-100 lah, torque lah (yes its important), all related to acceleration to "tapao this car, that car".

Don't know why Honda empathise on super acceleration.
A Hybrid is meant to save fuel - Something Malaysians like to talk. FC FC FC all day.

I have nothing against Hybrids - But Hybrids should not be treated like a drag car on a drag strip.
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Can't blame them really.

Especially with the "RS" in it's name, that sporty looking bodykit, that 235nm of torque, and let's not forget that promo video of it overtaking a camry.

While I agree that it's most likely designed for efficiency over performance, It's fair and reasonable for the car buying public to have at least some expectations of it being a little quicker or at least on par with something like, say the CRZ. laugh.gif
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at this price point, it is no brainer to get civic..
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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Mar 17 2021, 04:20 PM)
Can't blame them really.

Especially with the "RS" in it's name, that sporty looking bodykit, that 235nm of torque, and let's not forget that promo video of it overtaking a camry.

While I agree that it's most likely designed for efficiency over performance, It's fair and reasonable for the car buying public to have at least some expectations of it being a little quicker or at least on par with something like, say the CRZ.  laugh.gif
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Just like when I mentioned in Ativa thread, that the 1.0L turbo has better torque than Myvi 1.5L due to improved torque band (which is true facts what. Turbo has stronger and more linear torque than NAs) , then comes /K fellas come in and defend - saying Myvi 1.5 is alot faster than Ativa doh.gif
And even show me a YT video, of a Myvi doing 0-100 (which looks very random, not proper acceleration) , and he (LYN forumer) was using YT's video timer. Wow doh.gif doh.gif
Defending the road King. I refuse to reply after that.

And when I referenced the 0-100 time of the Ativa, I took a video reference from a Toyota Raize 0-100 video . Proper acceleration timing.

My reply here: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=100213563


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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Mar 16 2021, 11:10 PM)
Don't get taken away by the torque number, it is an illusion.

Gearbox or transmission do 2 things 1)change speed 2)convert torque.
- output gear bigger than input gear = reduce speed, and increase torque
- output gear smaller than input gear = increase speed, and reduce torque

both speed and torque change at the same proportion, one up, the other one down at same ratio.
Which means the horsepower remain constant regardless what gear you are in, only reduced by friction loss. Torque is work, horsepower is work done per unit time. You can take it as how frequent it can apply the torque. Eg:. engine1 100nm 100hp, engine2 50nm 100hp. Let's simplified with the max torque happens at max rpm. Engine2 need double the rpm to reach same 100hp.
For both to move at same speed
- engine1 1000rpm 100nm with 1:1 ratio output 1000rpm 100nm 100hp.
- engine2 2000rpm 50nm with 2:1 ratio output 1000rpm 100nm 100hp.

Electric motor spins very fast, 10,000rpm is very common. I don't have i-MMD traction motor detail spec, for your reference Volvo ERAD motor top up at [email protected]/h, Model 3 Long Range motor [email protected]/h. Thus electric motor has speed reduction gear, which is good. Eg:. 10:1 drop where motor spin 10 rotation, wheel spin 1 rotation, and torque is 10x on the wheel.

Everything are nice and positive for the RS until this point. Here's the 2 limitations.

- First, everyone knows electric motor torque drop off at higher rpm. But Honda never publish the data, we don't know how's the performance, don't know rpm when it hit 108hp, don't know 253nm rpm range. Generally the max torque will only sustain 1/3 to 1/2 of the max rpm range. So expect the 253nm last until 50km/h - 60km/h, a wild guess, depends on the speed reduction ratio and motor torque curve.
This is still ok, consider in ICE when we shift to higher gear, the torque on the wheel drop as well. ICE can get 16:1 - 20:1 (first gear times final drive ratio), more aggressive than electric motor. 2nd gear down to 9:1 to 12:1, and 3rd gear 6:1 to 8:1. So, with more aggressive 1st gear, a 160nm-170nm car might get similar or higher torque on wheel at the first gear.

- The biggest limitation is the 1.5L is only 97hp and the battery is also small 1.3kWh. Conservation of energy, the electric motor can only consume as much power as the engine able to charge the battery. In this car, the engine is less powerful than the electric motor, and charging rate also limited by the generator power. If you in constant high load all the time, you can't get more than 97hp, although this is unlikely to happen on real world. Honda quoted 60% pure EV at 40km/h, and 30% pure EV at 60km/h. The bigger sibling like CR-V, Accord hybrid get 50% pure EV at 60km/h, 30% pure EV at 100km/h. The number are all for stable cruising. So you can see, the ICE won't be able to keep up the charging if you drive aggressively.

It is a utility car for urban usage, designed for low speed city traffic jam economy. Want a fast car, go buy a proper fast car.  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Mar 17 2021, 09:23 AM)
All here talk about 0-100 lah, torque lah (yes its important), all related to acceleration to "tapao this car, that car".

Don't know why Honda empathise on super acceleration.
A Hybrid is meant to save fuel - Something Malaysians like to talk. FC FC FC all day.

I have nothing against Hybrids - But Hybrids should not be treated like a drag car on a drag strip.
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QUOTE(BravoZeroTwo @ Mar 17 2021, 10:19 AM)
Agree, Bro. Shouldn't this car be 8 seconds with 253nm of torque?
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QUOTE(McFD2R @ Mar 17 2021, 10:24 AM)
Facepalm when people looking at City but so concerned with performance. Get with the facts that it will never be known for performance. They were designed with efficiency in mind.

If you want quick 0-60 or 0-100, look elsewhere. I have a Vios for my daily, and I couldn't be bothered what it does 0-60/100. I have my Mini Cooper S and M3 for that.

Nothing against people wanting a quick car. Everyone wants a reliable and efficient car, and if it can be fast, it's a bonus. But come on lahh
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But, the promo video super misleading. Its done by Honda itself. Lol.

Try so hard to instill RS is fast. Can overtake in split second.kek.

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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Mar 17 2021, 04:20 PM)
Can't blame them really.

Especially with the "RS" in it's name, that sporty looking bodykit, that 235nm of torque, and let's not forget that promo video of it overtaking a camry.

While I agree that it's most likely designed for efficiency over performance, It's fair and reasonable for the car buying public to have at least some expectations of it being a little quicker or at least on par with something like, say the CRZ.  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(DS51 @ Mar 18 2021, 02:49 PM)
But, the promo video super misleading. Its done by Honda itself. Lol.

Try so hard to instill RS is fast. Can overtake in split second.kek.
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Mostly been brainwaish by Honda ads. Lol. Someone from marketing department should be fire for coming out with that idea.

Luckily some Honda worker got ethics and show the real 9.9 second century sprint.

I think they should do a promo video regarding fuel economy since fc reading is very good. But Marketing department so stupid do topkek video about overtake camry, overtake in hill. But reality is slower than crz 9 second which is come out almost 10 years ago. hahaha.
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QUOTE(DM52 @ Mar 18 2021, 02:56 PM)
Mostly been brainwaish by Honda ads. Lol. Someone from marketing department should be fire for coming out with that idea.

Luckily some Honda worker got ethics and show the real 9.9 second century sprint.

I think they should do a promo video regarding fuel economy since fc  reading is very good. But Marketing department so stupid do topkek video about overtake camry, overtake in hill. But reality is slower than crz 9 second which is come out almost 10 years ago. hahaha.
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0-100 time and overtaking while cruising is not the same thing.
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Mostly been brainwaish by Honda ads. Lol. Someone from marketing department should be fire for coming out with that idea.
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If Malaysians are easily suckered by ads, it ain't no fault of the advert laugh.gif In fact, Marketing Dept considers it a success.
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0-100 time and overtaking while cruising is not the same thing.
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Care to elaborate more?.

My understanding is, if car can achieve good 0 to 100kmh, then the car will be even faster going from 100kmh to 200kmh, since no more weight to carry around from standstill.

Unless city rs is fucking heavy like 300 or 400kg more than crz, then I dont think it will outperform crz during overtake on cruising speed.
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If Malaysians are easily suckered by ads, it ain't no fault of the advert  laugh.gif In fact, Marketing Dept considers it a success.
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Then its like very unethical lor. Create misleading ads. Facts should be correct lor. But u knowla, during this hard time, desperate time owh. Thats why maybe come out with that idea.
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QUOTE(DM52 @ Mar 18 2021, 08:29 PM)
Care to elaborate more?.

My understanding is, if car can achieve good 0 to 100kmh, then the car will be even faster going from 100kmh to 200kmh, since no more weight to carry around from standstill.

Unless city rs is fucking heavy like 300 or 400kg more than crz, then I dont think it will outperform crz during overtake on cruising speed.
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Of course car with good power that can do good 0-100km/h, the 100-200km/h won't be too bad.

But there are many optimizations (hacks) can be done to get a fraction of seconds faster for 0-100km/h. 100-200km/h is more on the raw horsepower.

For super slow car like City or other A/B segments urban utility cars, making 11-12s faster to let's say 10s. Well, 1s is a colossal improvement, but nevertheless still slow. This is not what they designed for and NOT a criteria to determine if one is good/bad car.

For 3-5s 0-100km/h car, a 0.1s is a big deal. Many can be done to get 0.1 - 0.2 without increasing the power.

The key is traction.
1) Everyone know launch control, it is to limit the torque to just a fraction below breaking the traction of the tires.
2) Tesla invented this. The launch control will hold the brake, and then reverse the car ever slightly and hold it there. This create tension on the brake rotor and brake pad. Metal while looks solid, is actually quite flexible. The tension will slingshot all 4 wheels, also spring the electric motor rotor forward on launch, saving fractions of a second. This hack can only be done on EV
3) Moveable spoilers. Retract or reduce the wing angles at low speed when don't need the downforce to reduce drag
4) Optimize Gear box shift timing for launch control
5) AWD can get more traction at launch, put engine on top of driving wheel also improve traction. FF, MR, RR. FR is actually at disadvantage here, but is fun to drive.
6) Volvo T8 PHEV, beside the 87HP electric motor (ERAD) at rear wheel, there is another 43HP starter generator between engine and torque converter. This 43HP will fill in the torque when shifting in acceleration, so no gap in power delivery. This is also the reason the gear shift is so damn smooth in the T8, also make it the first hybrid that can do regenerative braking on all 4 wheels.
7) etc etc... others can fill in more examples

Accelerate from cruising is different experience, as most likely you just chilling. Then sudden change of pace, will see how fast the car decided to kick down the gear, what's the initial delay, after that is the raw horsepower game. So 0-100km/h, 5-100km/h, 40-160km/h can favor different car of similar horsepower. Advantage of AWD gone when starting at higher speed.

Weight still affecting the acceleration at any speed. As long as there is change of speed, there is change of inertial. Only that the effect is less vs aerodynamic drag at higher speed.

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Of course car with good power that can do good 0-100km/h, the 100-200km/h won't be too bad.

But there are many optimizations (hacks) can be done to get a fraction of seconds faster for 0-100km/h. 100-200km/h is more on the raw horsepower.

For super slow car like City or other A/B segments urban utility cars, making 11-12s faster to let's say 10s. Well, 1s is a colossal improvement, but nevertheless still slow. This is not what they designed for and NOT a criteria to determine if one is good/bad car.

For 3-5s 0-100km/h car, a 0.1s is a big deal. Many can be done to get 0.1 - 0.2 without increasing the power.

The key is traction.
1) Everyone know launch control, it is to limit the torque to just a fraction below breaking the traction of the tires.
2) Tesla invented this. The launch control will hold the brake, and then reverse the car ever slightly and hold it there. This create tension on the brake rotor and brake pad. Metal while looks solid, is actually quite flexible. The tension will slingshot all 4 wheels, also spring the electric motor rotor forward on launch, saving fractions of a second. This hack can only be done on EV
3) Moveable spoilers. Retract or reduce the wing angles at low speed when don't need the downforce to reduce drag
4) Optimize Gear box shift timing for launch control
5) AWD can get more traction at launch, put engine on top of driving wheel also improve traction. FF, MR, RR. FR is actually at disadvantage here, but is fun to drive.
6) Volvo T8 PHEV, beside the 87HP electric motor (ERAD) at rear wheel, there is another 43HP starter generator between engine and torque converter. This 43HP will fill in the torque when shifting in acceleration, so no gap in power delivery. This is also the reason the gear shift is so damn smooth in the T8, also make it the first hybrid that can do regenerative braking on all 4 wheels.
7) etc etc... others can fill in more examples

Accelerate from cruising is different experience, as most likely you just chilling. Then sudden change of pace, will see how fast the car decided to kick down the gear, what's the initial delay, after that is the raw horsepower game. So 0-100km/h, 5-100km/h, 40-160km/h can favor different car of similar horsepower. Advantage of AWD gone when starting at higher speed.

Weight still affecting the acceleration at any speed. As long as there is change of speed, there is change of inertial. Only that the effect is less vs aerodynamic drag at higher speed.
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Based on ur replies, seems like my understanding is correct. If century sprint is good, then speeding from 100kmh to 200kmh won't be too bad.

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QUOTE(DM52 @ Mar 18 2021, 08:33 PM)
Then its like very unethical lor. Create misleading ads. Facts should be correct lor. But u knowla, during this hard time, desperate time owh. Thats why maybe come out with that idea.
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Which facts are people looking for? That City overtook Camry, when the Camry wasn't even accelerating and people consider it a fact?

That's like creating an ad that our Malaysian God Car Myvi overtook a Ferrari when the prancing horse was just cruising, then people expect it to be faster that the Ferrari.

Performance? Extra torque is always nice, helps with the overtaking, helps with hill climb and so forth. But people should stop equating it as being performance oriented. It is a Honda City, and should be treated as it should be, efficient and economical.
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QUOTE(DM52 @ Mar 18 2021, 08:29 PM)
Care to elaborate more?.

My understanding is, if car can achieve good 0 to 100kmh, then the car will be even faster going from 100kmh to 200kmh, since no more weight to carry around from standstill.

Unless city rs is fucking heavy like 300 or 400kg more than crz, then I dont think it will outperform crz during overtake on cruising speed.
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Must also always consider mass, wind resistance, traction, engine power/torque curve and gear ratios.
I've H.City 1.5 (CVT), Civic 2.0 (A), Accord 2.4 (A), P.X70 1.8T (A) and VW Golf 2.0T (DCT)

Not counting the Golf, but the other 4 have pretty similar real world 0-100 km/h times in the 9-10+ sec range
My Civic has better 100-200km/h acceleration than the City (of course), Accord and X70.
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QUOTE(McFD2R @ Mar 19 2021, 12:22 PM)
Which facts are people looking for? That City overtook Camry, when the Camry wasn't even accelerating and people consider it a fact?

That's like creating an ad that our Malaysian God Car Myvi overtook a Ferrari when the prancing horse was just cruising, then people expect it to be faster that the Ferrari.

Performance? Extra torque is always nice, helps with the overtaking, helps with hill climb and so forth. But people should stop equating it as being performance oriented. It is a Honda City, and should be treated as it should be, efficient and economical.
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See based on pic, how Honda try to instill City is superior over Camry..This follow by Ads video.I think I stop here. The moment u take in Ferrari and Myvi as a comparison, show u dont understand what we talk about.


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better than my 1.5 Jazz Hybrid wei... i need to go test drive and if can really feel the supreme acceleration i'll change.

Anyone who wants a 2019 Jazz Hybrid with super low mileage let me know. haha
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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Mar 12 2021, 03:44 PM)
While that torque figure looks impressive on paper, it takes 9.9 seconds to go from 0-100km/h.
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9.9 very slow wor.. it doesn't represent 250nm torque cars. Jazz Hybrid 1.15t 173nm doing around 8.7secs ady.. i was expecting it to be around 6-7 secs region for 253 on that 1.1t body.
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QUOTE(DM52 @ Mar 18 2021, 08:29 PM)
Care to elaborate more?.

My understanding is, if car can achieve good 0 to 100kmh, then the car will be even faster going from 100kmh to 200kmh, since no more weight to carry around from standstill.

Unless city rs is fucking heavy like 300 or 400kg more than crz, then I dont think it will outperform crz during overtake on cruising speed.
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no not right. having h igh torque doesn't mean it will perform well on higher RPM. it still bound to the engines HP at the end of the day. eg:

my Jazz hybrid is using 1.5 it's engine alone is only doing 108hp/134nm while the standard jazz has more power on it's 1.5 engine with 70kg lesser in kerb weight as well. Sure 0-100km/h the jazz hybrid would easily overtake but upon hitting 140km/h i can no longer accelerate faster than a standard honda jazz/city.
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Mar 19 2021, 02:23 PM)
9.9 very slow wor.. it doesn't represent 250nm torque cars. Jazz Hybrid 1.15t 173nm doing around 8.7secs ady.. i was expecting it to be around 6-7 secs region for 253 on that 1.1t body.
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In facebook group, last gen city sport hybrid get 9 second flat already. And ya, I had hear jazz sport hybrid around ur stated figure.

But here, like people said if B segment close to 10 second consider good for City RS. It ain a fast car, just normal b segment.

But city gm6 hybrid already can record 9 second with puny torque. What the hell make way more torque, but slower. then market it as a fast car. lol.

I was expecting more too.

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QUOTE(DS51 @ Mar 19 2021, 02:38 PM)
In facebook group, last gen city sport hybrid get 9 second flat already. And ya, I had hear jazz sport hybrid around ur stated figure.

But here, like people said if B segment close to 10 second consider good for City RS. It ain a fast car, just normal b segment.

But city gm6 hybrid already can record 9 second with puny torque. What the hell make way more torque, but slower. then market it as a fast car. lol.

I was expecting more too.
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how come ah... i looking into the spec sheet.. it's not really that heavy also.. it has way more torque than the generation of hybrid i'm driving. hurmmm confused.gif

253nm on paper is like hyundai ioniq selling around rm99k.. i didn't get that cause really tempted with honda's i-dct as well. super smooth acceleration and fuel consumption WAS SUPERB..

hahaha anyway i have a company petrol card so fuel consumption isn't really a concern LOL. was just thinking of being environmental friendly when i bought the car.
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QUOTE(DM52 @ Mar 19 2021, 02:17 PM)
See based on pic, how Honda try to instill City is superior over Camry..This follow by Ads video.I think I stop here. The moment u take in Ferrari and Myvi as a comparison, show u dont understand what we talk about.
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If people are too dumb to know the difference, it's their own fault. Adverts are not to be taken literally. Ads that shows you using a certain brand perfume can attract girls, then you use but yielded no similar effect, you going to blame the ad also? whistling.gif
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QUOTE(McFD2R @ Mar 19 2021, 03:48 PM)
If people are too dumb to know the difference, it's their own fault. Adverts are not to be taken literally. Ads that shows you using a certain brand perfume can attract girls, then you use but yielded no similar effect, you going to blame the ad also?  whistling.gif
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From car discussion suddenly divert into girls bla bla bla. Some people cannot differentiate between kopitiam section and F&F. Maybe sit too long there.

#dontfeedthetroll

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at this price point, it is no brainer to get civic..
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don't like the civic and i like it the smaller the better. different ppl did taste dude.

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I think much arguments against this car has also not been doing due justice on what good stuff you get with the package


https://www.nst.com.my/cbt/2021/03/672961/h...v-priced-rm106k

perhaps we should just highlight it here

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The highlight of the top end range of the 5th Generation City is that its 2-motor hybrid system powered by a 1.5L DOHC i-VTEC intelligent Multi-Mode Drive (i-MMD) system delivers 109PS and a high torque of 253Nm.

It is said to deliver acceleration that is equivalent to a D-segment Naturally Aspirated engine torque when combined with its Electric Continuous Variable Transmission (e-CVT).


The e:HEV system will switch automatically between the three driving modes which are EV Drive, Hybrid Drive and Engine Drive depending on which is most efficient at the time. This variant also comes with Deceleration Selector Paddles that enable the driver to engage on the paddles for power regeneration and to decelerate the vehicle without stepping on the brake pedal.

The car was also awarded the "ASEAN NCAP Excellent Award category - Consistent 5 Star" (since the 3rd and 4th Gen City) at ASEAN NCAP Grand Prix Awards 2020.

The City RS e:HEV variant will be the first model of Honda's line-up to be equipped with Honda CONNECT technology. Utilising smart Telematics Technology the integrated communications system is available 24-hours and functions to ensure safety, security and convenience to Honda car owners.


Enhanced Honda SENSING is also present as a first for the B-segment.
Utilising a front wide view camera to better recognise road boundaries during day and night driving conditions, the suite includes Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC), Collision Mitigation Braking System (CMBS), Forward Collision Warning (FCW), Lane Keep Assist System (LKAS), Road Departure Mitigation (RDM), Lane Departure Warning (LDW), and Auto High Beam (AHB).

Cars, Bikes and Trucks' favourite safety feature Honda LaneWatch is also present. The camera based advanced safety technology on the left side mirror helps monitor blind spots through an infotainment system.

Remote Engine Start is also a first in segment technology
which allows the driver to start their car while the doors are locked and to activate the air-conditioning in the cabin with a simple push of a button on the keyless remote. This variant also comes with Electric Parking Brake (EPB) that can be activated with just a lift of a button.

Other standard safety features to the City RS e:HEV variant are its six airbags, Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA), Anti-lock Braking System (ABS), Electronic Brake Distribution (EBD), Brake Assist (BA), Emergency Stop Signal (ESS), Hill Start Assist (HSA), Rear Seat ISOFIX I-SIZE Type and new Rear Seatbelt Reminder, reverse sensors with multi-angle reverse camera, and Auto Brake Hold (ABH) which enables the vehicle's stationary position to be held with only a push of a button.

Three colours, namely Passion Red Pearl, Modern Steel Metallic and Platinum White Pearl, are available for choice.

The exterior carries a new Gloss Black front grille, trunk spoiler, door mirrors (to give a sporty two-toned impression of the body colour); exclusive lower front grille, new rear bumper with diffuser, new LED headlights with LED Daytime Running Lights (DRL), new LED fog lights with garnish, new LED taillights, as well as dual-tone16-inch alloy wheels.

The cabin features a 7-inch Interactive Thin Film Transistor (TFT) Meter, an 8-inch Display Audio with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto Connectivity, sport pedal pads, and is fitted with Ultrasuede Seats and Red Stitching at interior areas


And the distinctive fuel efficiency that beats almost every body

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QUOTE(McFD2R @ Mar 19 2021, 12:22 PM)
Which facts are people looking for? That City overtook Camry, when the Camry wasn't even accelerating and people consider it a fact?

That's like creating an ad that our Malaysian God Car Myvi overtook a Ferrari when the prancing horse was just cruising, then people expect it to be faster that the Ferrari.

Performance? Extra torque is always nice, helps with the overtaking, helps with hill climb and so forth. But people should stop equating it as being performance oriented. It is a Honda City, and should be treated as it should be, efficient and economical.
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I dunno u had seen the video or not. But based on the comment like not.



Do ads like this, compare directly with competitors, until camry driver very frustated in the end, super misleading to the max. lol.

But this is expected from Honda. Top manager also make joke about rape,then what we can expect right. If head also stink, then tail also stink too.
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QUOTE(unitron @ Mar 19 2021, 01:35 PM)
Must also always consider mass, wind resistance, traction, engine power/torque curve and gear ratios.
I've H.City 1.5 (CVT), Civic 2.0 (A), Accord 2.4 (A), P.X70 1.8T (A) and VW Golf 2.0T (DCT)

Not counting the Golf, but the other 4 have pretty similar real world 0-100 km/h times in the 9-10+ sec range
My Civic has better 100-200km/h acceleration than the City (of course), Accord and X70.
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QUOTE(DM52 @ Mar 19 2021, 02:17 PM)
See based on pic, how Honda try to instill City is superior over Camry..This follow by Ads video.I think I stop here. The moment u take in Ferrari and Myvi as a comparison, show u dont understand what we talk about.
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engineer make the car, marketing people made the ads. Marketing only think want to sell. Technical throw to the sea. This ads clearly show they dont understand how immd works.
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Mar 19 2021, 02:20 PM)
better than my 1.5 Jazz  Hybrid wei... i need to go test drive and if can really feel the supreme acceleration i'll change.

Anyone who wants a 2019 Jazz Hybrid with super low mileage let me know. haha
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Mar 19 2021, 02:23 PM)
9.9 very slow wor.. it doesn't represent 250nm torque cars. Jazz Hybrid 1.15t 173nm doing around 8.7secs ady.. i was expecting it to be around 6-7 secs region for 253 on that 1.1t body.
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QUOTE(DS51 @ Mar 19 2021, 02:38 PM)
In facebook group, last gen city sport hybrid get 9 second flat already. And ya, I had hear jazz sport hybrid around ur stated figure.

But here, like people said if B segment close to 10 second consider good for City RS. It ain a fast car, just normal b segment.

But city gm6 hybrid already can record 9 second with puny torque. What the hell make way more torque, but slower. then market it as a fast car. lol.

I was expecting more too.
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This one different hybrid system.Last time Honda use IMA, then IDCD, and now IMMD.

idcd is like improvement from ima, while immd totally different. No more combine output. 253nm purely from electric power. Car can rely on ev power not like idcd and ima system which heavily still rely on ice during running.

And definitely this one will be slower than previous IDCD, but its fuel is way way more efficient.
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It's still a honda city no matter how well they bluff the specs
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Mar 20 2021, 03:03 AM)
I think much arguments against this car has also not been doing due justice on what good stuff you get with the package
https://www.nst.com.my/cbt/2021/03/672961/h...v-priced-rm106k

perhaps we should just highlight it here
And the distinctive fuel efficiency that beats almost every body
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Tbh, this immd got a lot of goodings. But majority people dont understand about it. Plus ads from Honda, is misleading which make it worse.


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QUOTE(mffa @ Mar 21 2021, 01:55 PM)
Tbh, this immd got a lot of goodings. But majority people dont understand about it. Plus ads from Honda, is misleading which make it worse.
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In other words, it's not a practical car...
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In other words, it's not a practical car...
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why do u said so?.care to explain? Practical or not, depends on people needs.
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QUOTE(mffa @ Mar 21 2021, 01:45 PM)
This one different hybrid system.Last time Honda use IMA, then IDCD, and now IMMD.

idcd is like improvement from ima, while immd totally different. No more combine output. 253nm purely from electric power. Car can rely on ev power not like idcd and ima system which heavily still rely on ice during running.

And definitely this one will be slower than previous IDCD, but its fuel is way way more efficient.
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ah i see.. so in actual fact.. the 253nm doesn't really translate to real life performance lo.. but still 253nm purely electric power i'm no convince that it can only do 9.9s.. if that's the case.. they better not boost about their 253nm. hahaha it's going to be a laughing stock.
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why do u said so?.care to explain? Practical or not, depends on people needs.
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Lower hp but higher torque than basic city... topkek
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why do u said so?.care to explain? Practical or not, depends on people needs.
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ah i see.. so in actual fact.. the 253nm doesn't really translate to real life performance lo.. but still 253nm purely electric power i'm no convince that it can only do 9.9s.. if that's the case.. they better not boost about their 253nm. hahaha it's going to be a laughing stock.
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Yes. this 253nm is far away from proton x50 255nm. 253nm is from electric motor. So, its easily pancut once drive mad like petrol car. Engine power torque is way lower than that. lol.

Dunno why they dont further idcd technology.keep changing. maybe they felt idcd not efficient enough.

edit: marketing department the one who boost about torque, I think their engineering department shake their head.lulz.

QUOTE(freeman1 @ Mar 21 2021, 02:18 PM)
Sorry if my words hurt u...

Lower hp but higher torque than basic city... topkek
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Not even hurt. btw, this rs torque application is not same like petrol. only for short burst. but its perfect for fuel economy.

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QUOTE(mffa @ Mar 21 2021, 02:24 PM)
Yes. this 253nm is far away from proton x50 255nm. 253nm is from electric motor. So, its easily pancut once drive mad like petrol car. Engine power torque is way lower than that. lol.
ah right understood! for the Honda Jazz Hybrid at least it was spelled out 173nm combined

From PaulTan:
Honda has not revealed the combined power and torque outputs of the hybrid system. However, as per official data, the hybrid version returns more than 26 km/l, which is much higher than the 18.5 km/l for the non-hybrid variant. The hybrid system also makes the City RS quicker than the only petrol-powered version of the car. It takes about 9.9 seconds from standstill to reach 100 km/h. The non-hybrid version does the same in 10.2 seconds. However, the top-speed is 173 km/h, which is lower than the 196 km/h speed of the regular non-hybrid version. This can be due to the increased weight of the vehicle due to the addition of the hybrid system

Hence it's save to say the combined torque output is gonna be lower than the current gen of hybrid system. 26km/l isn't really great, the current I-DCD version i'm driving on paper is also stating 25km/l liao.. hahaha but base on my driving style i can only do 20km/l which is really impressive in my own books.

from 0-100km/h i tend to floor the pedal most of the time. tongue.gif

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don't like the civic and i like it the smaller the better. different ppl did taste dude.
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Mar 21 2021, 02:31 PM)
ah right understood! for the Honda Jazz Hybrid at least it was spelled out 173nm combined

From PaulTan:
Honda has not revealed the combined power and torque outputs of the hybrid system. However, as per official data, the hybrid version returns more than 26 km/l, which is much higher than the 18.5 km/l for the non-hybrid variant. The hybrid system also makes the City RS quicker than the only petrol-powered version of the car. It takes about 9.9 seconds from standstill to reach 100 km/h. The non-hybrid version does the same in 10.2 seconds. However, the top-speed is 173 km/h, which is lower than the 196 km/h speed of the regular non-hybrid version. This can be due to the increased weight of the vehicle due to the addition of the hybrid system

Hence it's save to say the combined torque output is gonna be lower than the current gen of hybrid system. 26km/l isn't really great, the current I-DCD version i'm driving on paper is also stating 25km/l liao.. hahaha but base on my driving style i can only do 20km/l which is really impressive in my own books.

from 0-100km/h i tend to floor the pedal most of the time. tongue.gif
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I read somewhere that Honda did not reveal the combined output because the motor and engine operates separately, hence there's no combined output
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anyway, this Honda City RS IMMD will fail because of price.

106k means 110k on the road, which is the same price as Proton X70 Executive and Proton X50 Flagship. Proton X50 flagship offers more except hybrid

not to mentioned it overlap with Honda Civic 1.8 at 112k on the road which offers more comfort and space, albeit no honda sensing

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I dunno u had seen the video or not. But based on the comment like not.



Do ads like this, compare directly with competitors, until camry driver very frustated in the end, super misleading to the max. lol.

But this is expected from Honda. Top manager also make joke about rape,then what we can expect right. If head also stink, then tail also stink too.
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I have seen the ad. Again, my argument is not on the ad. But on people's understanding of such ads and defining a Honda City "so called" performance. There are plenty of ads that are misleading or made just for entertainment purposes. They were not created to literally tell you it is EXACTLY as the ad portrayed. Our minds are better that that. Somehow, in LYN, I keep being proven wrong.

If I was in the hunt for a car in this segment, this City would be in my radar. But not because of it's ability to beat a Camry as per ad.
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QUOTE(JoeK @ Mar 22 2021, 11:12 AM)
anyway, this Honda City RS IMMD will fail because of price.

106k means 110k on the road, which is the same price as Proton X70 Executive and Proton X50 Flagship. Proton X50 flagship offers more except hybrid

not to mentioned it overlap with Honda Civic 1.8 at 112k on the road which offers more comfort and space, albeit no honda sensing
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Given the price range, the X50 is the best in terms of value, X70 in terms of space, civic in terms of reliability track record.

The City is really neither here nor there.
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I have seen the ad. Again, my argument is not on the ad. But on people's understanding of such ads and defining a Honda City "so called" performance. There are plenty of ads that are misleading or made just for entertainment purposes. They were not created to literally tell you it is EXACTLY as the ad portrayed. Our minds are better that that. Somehow, in LYN, I keep being proven wrong.

If I was in the hunt for a car in this segment, this City would be in my radar. But not because of it's ability to beat a Camry as per ad.
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QUOTE(JoeK @ Mar 22 2021, 11:12 AM)
anyway, this Honda City RS IMMD will fail because of price.

106k means 110k on the road, which is the same price as Proton X70 Executive and Proton X50 Flagship. Proton X50 flagship offers more except hybrid

not to mentioned it overlap with Honda Civic 1.8 at 112k on the road which offers more comfort and space, albeit no honda sensing
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somehow agree..price is too expensive. gap too far from 1.5V. and honda keep changing its hybrid system. futureproof not sure can exceed 15 years or not without braking wallet. but normal petrol definitely can exceed 15 years with minimal maintenance.


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QUOTE(mffa @ Mar 22 2021, 04:29 PM)
somehow agree..price is too expensive. gap too far from 1.5V. and honda keep changing its hybrid system. futureproof not sure can exceed 15 years or not without braking wallet. but normal petrol definitely can exceed 15 years with minimal maintenance.
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what makes it worse is the new city looks small in real life. looks smaller than previous gen.

i do like the whole new IMMD hybrid system and Honda Sensing, but not at that price
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I read somewhere that Honda did not reveal the combined output because the motor and engine operates separately, hence there's no combined output
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hurmmm but looking at its engine it seems like the previous gen churns our more torque... if it isn't combine then they reduced the kerb weight? guess need to wait for their announcement
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QUOTE(mffa @ Mar 21 2021, 02:24 PM)
Yes. this 253nm is far away from proton x50 255nm. 253nm is from electric motor. So, its easily pancut once drive mad like petrol car. Engine power torque is way lower than that. lol.

Dunno why they dont further idcd technology.keep changing. maybe they felt idcd not efficient enough.

edit: marketing department the one who boost about torque, I think their engineering department shake their head.lulz.
Not even hurt. btw, this rs torque application is not same like petrol. only for short burst. but its perfect for fuel economy.
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Of all the Japanese B segment i test drove, I would rank City at the top followed by Vios and Almera 3rd. City just has the best package overall and the V spec is more than enough for everyone. RS version interior is very nice with the digital cluster and black roof lining , but its a bit overpriced and there is no test drive car at the moment.

I also tested X50 and i have got to say, X50 is very very disappointing to be honest. Looks good on the outside and inside, but once i drove it i know where it fails . The Dual clutch gearbox is slow AF, and somehow the engine does not feel smooth at all.And mind you, i test drove the flagship model with more HP and torque. You can immediately tell its a freaking 3 cylinder engine. Compared to the Almera 1.0 3 cylinder engine, the Almera is so much smoother in terms of power delivery.

But if i was looking for a car now, i will go for City . Its just the best all rounder. Interior feels the most premium and the engine is fantastic!
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 22 2021, 09:15 PM)
Of all the Japanese B segment i test drove, I would rank City at the top followed by Vios and Almera 3rd. City just has the best package overall and the V spec is more than enough for everyone. RS version interior is very nice with the digital cluster and black roof lining , but its a bit overpriced and there is no test drive car at the moment.

I also tested X50 and i have got to say, X50 is very very disappointing to be honest. Looks good on the outside and inside, but once i drove it i know where it fails . The Dual clutch gearbox is slow AF, and somehow the engine does not feel smooth at all.And mind you, i test drove the flagship model with more HP and torque. You can immediately tell its a freaking 3 cylinder engine. Compared to the Almera 1.0 3 cylinder engine, the Almera is so much smoother in terms of power delivery.

But if i was looking for a car now, i will go for City . Its just the best all rounder. Interior feels the most premium and the engine is fantastic!
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City V equipment is disappointing. No AEB, no blind spot monitoring, no 360 camera, even less airbag compared to vios. City meter also very ugly analog compared to semi digital in Almera

People only buy City because of brand.

And city interior is the most premium? Lol good joke

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City V equipment is disappointing. No AEB, no blind spot monitoring, no 360 camera, even less airbag compared to vios. City meter also very ugly analog compared to semi digital in Almera

People only buy City because of brand.

And city interior is the most premium? Lol good joke
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Go and test drive first lah before talk so much garbage.

Almera interior feels the worst. The most cheapo among the 3. But engine is pretty good. But then again its the most expensive.

City is the most modern looking and engine is awesome. Price is in between almera and vios

Vios is the cheapest and the highest specced car. But interior does feel slightly outdated.

Ppl buy city bcuz of brand? Then why dont ppl buy vios?

U see alot of the new honda city & quite a number of the new FL vios on the road already but hardly any new almera

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Go and test drive first lah before talk so much garbage.

Almera interior feels the worst. The most cheapo among the 3. But engine is pretty good. But then again its the most expensive.

City is the most modern looking and engine is awesome. Price is in between almera and vios

Vios is the cheapest and the highest specced car. But interior does feel slightly outdated.

Ppl buy city bcuz of brand? Then why dont ppl buy vios?

U see alot of the new honda city & quite a number of the new FL vios on the road already but hardly any new almera
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I did test them all. I was in a market for a new car. That's why i test them all. I even tested Ativa

I have nothing to say anymore since you said city is the most premium compared to almera, vios, and X50.
People view are subjective, but if you think city is the most premium - then bad news for you

Since your reputation of talking big here already known, i was not surprised also
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QUOTE(JoeK @ Mar 23 2021, 09:20 AM)
I did test them all. I was in a market for a new car. That's  why i test them all. I even tested Ativa

I have nothing to say anymore since you said city is the most premium compared to almera, vios, and X50.
People view are subjective, but if you think city is the most premium - then bad news for you

Since your reputation of talking big here already known, i was not surprised also
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I said city interior is most premium among the 3 jap b segment cars laaaaa.. city, almera and vios

X50 is another story la mangkuk. I also did test drive ativa and ativa was awesome as well. Best car for the money
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 23 2021, 09:25 AM)
I said city interior is most premium among the 3 jap b segment cars laaaaa.. city, almera and vios

X50 is another story la mangkuk. I also did test drive ativa and ativa was awesome as well. Best car for the money
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Ativa is value for money, no doubt. was it awesome? hmm... no..
again, City is the most premium? hmm.. no..

i have no idea what criteria you use to categorize car as premium and awesome..

but it's your view, so keep it. different people different view.

i just find it weird for somebody who "claimed" to have tested all the cars came to conclusion that city is the most premium
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QUOTE(JoeK @ Mar 23 2021, 09:40 AM)
Ativa is value for money, no doubt. was it awesome? hmm... no..
again, City is the most premium? hmm.. no..

i have no idea what criteria you use to categorize car as premium and awesome..

but it's your view, so keep it. different people different view.

i just find it weird for somebody who "claimed" to have tested all the cars came to conclusion that city is the most premium
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Ativa engine is superb. And it drives so well. Its so fun to drive.

City interior is most premium among the 3 jap cars.

X50 interior is great but let down by mediocre engine and gearbox


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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 23 2021, 09:56 AM)
Ativa engine is superb. And it drives so well. Its so fun to drive.

City interior is most premium among the 3 jap cars.

X50 interior is great but let down by mediocre engine and gearbox
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ok. for me Ativa looks too cheap, hard plastic everywhere. but overall value for money car.

City to me is not premium compared to Vios / Almera. they're on par at best. soft touch here and there, but got many hard plastic too. expected in this class. but the equipment is inferior compared to Vios / Almera. the cheap analog meter look make it worse

X50 interior is the best. no issue with engine and gearbox. everything is muted inside the cabin, can hardly feel any vibration. Ativa vibration is worse.
no issue for X50 gearbox for me too, since i've tested X70 before, i know how the gearbox behave. not lightning quick like VW dct, but on par with normal automatic gearbox - which is not an issue
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QUOTE(JoeK @ Mar 23 2021, 10:06 AM)
ok. for me Ativa looks too cheap, hard plastic everywhere. but overall value for money car.

City to me is not premium compared to Vios / Almera. they're on par at best. soft touch here and there, but got many hard plastic too. expected in this class. but the equipment is inferior compared to Vios / Almera. the cheap analog meter look make it worse

X50 interior is the best. no issue with engine and gearbox. everything is muted inside the cabin, can hardly feel any vibration. Ativa vibration is worse.
no issue for X50 gearbox for me too, since i've tested X70 before, i know how the gearbox behave. not lightning quick like VW dct, but on par with normal automatic gearbox - which is not an issue
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agreed. x50 feels more premium if compared to Ativa.

But if I am in the market for a new vehicle, I will buy ativa. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(leon898 @ Mar 23 2021, 10:30 AM)
agreed. x50 feels more premium if compared to Ativa.

But if I am in the market for a new vehicle, I will buy ativa.  biggrin.gif
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Yes. Ativa is value for money no doubt.

Hafriz shah phrased it perfectly for me. If got extra money, sure X50 is the better choice. Different level

However, Ativa at that price range represents value in terms of equipment and refinement. Should consider especially if you have eyes on lowest spec vios/city/almera

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QUOTE(mffa @ Mar 22 2021, 04:23 PM)
Ya lor.standardla. nama pun advertising. of course talk cock here talk cock there. but 1 things is I agree with him is this ads is a bit unethical. Never ever company put competitors into their ads and hentam kaw kaw. I dont think that is healthy. what is ur view on this?.
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In agreement to an extent. I have seen billboard ads in other countries where it is acceptable for BMW ad to ridicule AUDI for example, and vice versa. As do other makers too. It's all in the fun and as long as we don't take it word for word, literally, I don't see the harm in it.

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 23 2021, 08:54 AM)
Go and test drive first lah before talk so much garbage.

Almera interior feels the worst. The most cheapo among the 3. But engine is pretty good. But then again its the most expensive.

City is the most modern looking and engine is awesome. Price is in between almera and vios

Vios is the cheapest and the highest specced car. But interior does feel slightly outdated.

Ppl buy city bcuz of brand? Then why dont ppl buy vios?

U see alot of the new honda city & quite a number of the new FL vios on the road already but hardly any new almera
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Actually, people do buy the brand. They also buy based on resale/2nd hand value. To Msian old mindset, RS isn't a resale value for them because it has hybrid feature.
Honda has a lot of cash rebate promo than Toyota. Honda car has more sporty look except City because you can see their design is more conservative now. That's why they got more sales.

I own the new city 2020 car too. They changed the engine, and made handling much better. However, i wouldn't call Honda brand premium like how it was last time.
After sales service has dropped a lot compared to last time.

Actually i don't really see the new honda city on the road but i see more of the 2019 honda city.
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QUOTE(McFD2R @ Mar 23 2021, 11:04 AM)
In agreement to an extent. I have seen billboard ads in other countries where it is acceptable for BMW ad to ridicule AUDI for example, and vice versa. As do other makers too. It's all in the fun and as long as we don't take it word for word, literally, I don't see the harm in it.

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Er..bmw never critize audi la. that pamplet u dig info on google already know what is all about.

I tot u want to give ads example like 5 series is like honda city rs and camry like audi a6, and 5 series overtake audi a6, then in the end audi a6 owner dissapointed.


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QUOTE(mffa @ Mar 23 2021, 12:01 PM)
Er..bmw never critize audi la. that pamplet u dig info on google already know what is all about.

I tot u want to give ads example like 5 series is like honda city rs and camry like audi a6, and 5 series overtake audi a6, then in the end audi a6 owner dissapointed.
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Go have a look at this ads war between bmw and audi. this is how you critique your competitors. So farking smart.

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 23 2021, 09:56 AM)
Ativa engine is superb. And it drives so well. Its so fun to drive.

City interior is most premium among the 3 jap cars.

X50 interior is great but let down by mediocre engine and gearbox
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Different people have different standard/perspective.

To me Ativa handle terribly, and extremely unstable. City is just marginally better.

Ativa/Cityi, I might get one later, but only get used and thrash them and won't bother to repair the dent. I value them as a fantastic daily beater but car without soul (totally not worth to buy new).

I would take them to wet market, very crowded area that I don't want my current car (even it already has full car PPF) to expose to.
Their usage primarily in city downtown. They are also unstable that I try not to bring them on highway. Short <20km highway commute, will keep average 80km/h, not more than 100km/h.
Use them as they designed for - urban city car.

I know a guy that going to same car detailing shop as me, who thrash his GTR. Modded to 900hp, always KL<->Penang<->Thailand for meeting, drive up to 300km/h.
To him GTR is his business tool, to get to his destination ASAP, time is his money. He cheap out on cosmetic repair, some body panel repainted but wrong color shade/no metallic, he also don't care, as long as overall his car still a black car.
To him probably cheapest car that can run at that speed. He got other cars that he pampered.
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QUOTE(Nshade @ Mar 23 2021, 11:52 AM)
Actually, people do buy the brand. They also buy based on resale/2nd hand value. To Msian old mindset, RS isn't a resale value for them because it has hybrid feature.
Honda has a lot of cash rebate promo than Toyota. Honda car has more sporty look except City because you can see their design is more conservative now. That's why they got more sales.

I own the new city 2020 car too. They changed the engine, and made handling much better. However, i wouldn't call Honda brand premium like how it was last time.
After sales service has dropped a lot compared to last time.

Actually i don't really see the new honda city on the road but i see more of the 2019 honda city.
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Lel what kinda logic is that? Of course u will see more 2019 city otr now because its an older car. Soon u will see more 2021 city otr after a year or 2 .

Topkek logic
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 23 2021, 12:46 PM)
Lel what kinda logic is that? Of course u will see more 2019 city otr now because its an older car. Soon u will see more 2021 city otr after a year or 2 .

Topkek logic
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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Mar 23 2021, 12:32 PM)
Different people have different standard/perspective.

To me Ativa handle terribly, and extremely unstable. City is just marginally better.

Ativa/Cityi, I might get one later, but only get used and thrash them and won't bother to repair the dent. I value them as a fantastic daily beater but car without soul (totally not worth to buy new).

I would take them to wet market, very crowded area that I don't want my current car (even it already has full car PPF) to expose to.
Their usage primarily in city downtown. They are also unstable that I try not to bring them on highway. Short <20km highway commute, will keep average 80km/h, not more than 100km/h.
Use them as they designed for - urban city car.

I know a guy that going to same car detailing shop as me, who thrash his GTR. Modded to 900hp, always KL<->Penang<->Thailand for meeting, drive up to 300km/h.
To him GTR is his business tool, to get to his destination ASAP, time is his money. He cheap out on cosmetic repair, some body panel repainted but wrong color shade/no metallic, he also don't care, as long as overall his car still a black car.
To him probably cheapest car that can run at that speed. He got other cars that he pampered.
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Of cuz everyone has different opinion. But if 8/10 ppl say ativa is awesome to drive, it means its awesome to drive. The minority 2 opinion dont count

U shud check out ativa reviews on youtube. Majority say its a great car to drive.
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QUOTE(Nshade @ Mar 23 2021, 12:48 PM)
So you don't agree on what i said earlier?
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I didnt say honda is a premium brand. I said honda city interior is the most premium among the 3 jap b segment cars. Pls fully understand the difference before u comment here will ya?

Of cuz ppl buy brand, thats why honda and toyota sells so well here. RS City will cater to a niche market as its priced quite high. There will be ppl who will buy the RS but it will be a small percentage only.
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QUOTE(Nshade @ Mar 23 2021, 11:52 AM)
Actually, people do buy the brand. They also buy based on resale/2nd hand value. To Msian old mindset, RS isn't a resale value for them because it has hybrid feature.
Honda has a lot of cash rebate promo than Toyota. Honda car has more sporty look except City because you can see their design is more conservative now. That's why they got more sales.

I own the new city 2020 car too. They changed the engine, and made handling much better. However, i wouldn't call Honda brand premium like how it was last time.
After sales service has dropped a lot compared to last time.

Actually i don't really see the new honda city on the road but i see more of the 2019 honda city.
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Hybrid car is actually in better demand these days...But that would be true as far as Toyota is concern lah tongue.gif second hand Camry hybrid even very old Prius is like hot cakes...But I agree when they are new, they tends to put off potential buyer because the askingg price is steep when the government is not giving incentive.

Credit must be given when credit is due, Honda Malaysia has been on the other hand quick to bring best safety features fully loaded to even B segment and shaken up all its competitors since some times back, they are also the first to bring to the market the turbo engine, and now THIS which the only of the similar kind would be the yet to come Nissan Kick e power (not even sure it will ever come judging from how Nissan and TCM do things these days)

Honda has been as you have pointed out mellowed down on their car design and conservative is really the theme as seen on their new Accord, city and soon Civic.


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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 23 2021, 12:55 PM)

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Anyway.....

1 thing i have to say, for a B segment car, honda price is... kinda hard to say No, especially those 1st who never own a Honda branded car before. With rebates like that, of course their sales number go up.
They really need to look into the after sales service due to high capacity of honda users.

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Mar 23 2021, 12:49 PM)
Of cuz everyone has different opinion. But if 8/10 ppl say ativa is awesome to drive, it means its awesome to drive. The minority 2 opinion dont count

U shud check out ativa reviews on youtube. Majority say its a great car to drive.
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It means the 2 have better performance/handling/quality cars to thrash Ativa as daily beater.

It is a great car to squeeze in city and won't heartache when motorcycles or people carrying goods leave a deep scratch on the door.
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QUOTE(Nshade @ Mar 23 2021, 11:52 AM)
Actually, people do buy the brand. They also buy based on resale/2nd hand value. To Msian old mindset, RS isn't a resale value for them because it has hybrid feature.
Honda has a lot of cash rebate promo than Toyota. Honda car has more sporty look except City because you can see their design is more conservative now. That's why they got more sales.

I own the new city 2020 car too. They changed the engine, and made handling much better. However, i wouldn't call Honda brand premium like how it was last time.
After sales service has dropped a lot compared to last time.

Actually i don't really see the new honda city on the road but i see more of the 2019 honda city.
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I don't agree with the bolded part. It is the other way around now. Vios does better in the handling department.
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QUOTE(leon898 @ Mar 23 2021, 04:04 PM)
I don't agree with the bolded part. It is the other way around now. Vios does better in the handling department.
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I meant, compared to the previous gen of honda city.

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QUOTE(Nshade @ Mar 23 2021, 04:07 PM)
I meant, compared to the previous gen of honda city.
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Gen 3 got better handling IMHO. But that just me.
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OMG to all the comments here. This Honda City is a great car for it's segment. Period. I won't insult it because of the so called misleading ad. Nor will I look down on Camry because of the same ad.

Buy it because you like it, because it can be an efficient car, because of it's value. Don't buy it because you LITERALLY mistook the ad as a Camry beater. And whilst its output may be nice to have for it's segment, by no means should one be looking at it within the performance context.

My only concern is the pricing, that's it. Signing myself out of this thead. Peace ya'all .. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(McFD2R @ Mar 23 2021, 04:56 PM)
OMG to all the comments here. This Honda City is a great car for it's segment. Period. I won't insult it because of the so called misleading ad. Nor will I look down on Camry because of the same ad.

Buy it because you like it, because it can be an efficient car, because of it's value. Don't buy it because you LITERALLY mistook the ad as a Camry beater. And whilst its output may be nice to have for it's segment, by no means should one be looking at it within the performance context.

My only concern is the pricing, that's it. Signing myself out of this thead. Peace ya'all ..  icon_rolleyes.gif
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bye.gif bye.gif bye.gif

But before you go. Here are two videos for you and anyone who can at least try to understand and appreciate i MMD system for what it is worth, whether it is worth the price, well for me yes but may be not for everyone. Although Hybrids can now mean much more than just fuel saving vehicles. I have still run through a rough fuel savings calculation, and based on current Ron 95 price of RM2.05 and the the claimed average fuel consumption is 3.6 litres per 100 km, the savings is huge compare to a normal City 5.4 L/100 km, it is a 33.34% cut on your fuel bill.

Every RM100 you pump into a normal City is now only RM66.66 in this system. That could means RM1k at least savings to a few thousands Ringgit to many in a year depends on how much mileage you clock in a year. Most will do 20k km easily per year. So does this fuel savings make up for the higher price tag? Perhaps if you keep the car for 5, 7 years and beyond...some keep longer than that, at the end of the day it is up to each individual needs and wants.





for Further reference :

The Hyundai IONIQ Hybrid fuel consumption is 4.9L/100km , Toyota Prius fuel consumption is 4.8L/100 km, Toyota Prius C 4.0 L /100km

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QUOTE(DS51 @ Mar 23 2021, 12:18 PM)
Go have a look at this ads war between bmw and audi. this is how you critique your competitors. So farking smart.

edit: end video, show mercedes been poke somemore. lol.


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To me the City vs Camry ad is a welcome change to Malaysia car ad scene: at least it has more creativity

Thailand has been doing it years



And it is also True thar ad should not be read in too much. Else you will find recent singles buying Camry tongue.gif after the above adv was out

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QUOTE(McFD2R @ Mar 23 2021, 04:56 PM)
OMG to all the comments here. This Honda City is a great car for it's segment. Period. I won't insult it because of the so called misleading ad. Nor will I look down on Camry because of the same ad.

Buy it because you like it, because it can be an efficient car, because of it's value. Don't buy it because you LITERALLY mistook the ad as a Camry beater. And whilst its output may be nice to have for it's segment, by no means should one be looking at it within the performance context.

My only concern is the pricing, that's it. Signing myself out of this thead. Peace ya'all ..  icon_rolleyes.gif
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No one said it is a performance car here dude..It will never be performance car. Just Honda unethical ads show its like performance car, but thruth is slowpoke. Anyone here know that

I highlighted about the ethical parts. Where no other car maker will put their rival in their ads. Even bmw vs audi, they dont direct put into their ads. Thats where I said, it is misleading in the first place. But u taichi said, the ads is okay. up to people to believe or not.

Ya, I agree on ur parts. up to people intelligent but, its still dont change the facts the ads is fucking unethical. I search other automotive ads in youtube. No one do ads like Honda Malaysia.
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Mar 23 2021, 06:45 PM)
To me the City vs Camry ad is a welcome change to Malaysia car ad scene: at least it has more creativity

Thailand has been doing it years



And it is also True thar  ad should not be read in too much. Else you will find recent singles buying Camry tongue.gif after the above adv was out
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Er..where the part of Its kutuk competitors in the ads. Seems like none right. So this is okay ma. No problem can tokok miles away. Just dont up ur product by belittle others.
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Er..where the part of Its kutuk competitors in the ads. Seems like none right. So this is okay ma. No problem can tokok miles away. Just dont up ur product by belittle others.
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No kutuk. Yes.

But as as far as ad is concerned, it is exaggeration. I was talking about exaggeration

Here is another one


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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Mar 23 2021, 07:04 PM)
No kutuk. Yes.

But as as far as ad is concerned, it is exaggeration. I was talking about exaggeration

Here is another one


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same concept like Proton last time. lol.



btw, if proton follow Honda unethical ads, can advertise x50 and make it beat civic like city rs beat camry. but, still not that healthy. lol.

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QUOTE(DM52 @ Mar 23 2021, 06:52 PM)
No one said it is a performance car here dude..It will never be performance car. Just Honda unethical ads show its like performance car, but thruth is slowpoke. Anyone here know that

I highlighted about the ethical parts. Where no other car maker will put their rival in their ads. Even bmw vs audi, they dont direct put into their ads. Thats where I said, it is misleading in the first place. But u taichi said, the ads is okay. up to people to believe or not.

Ya, I agree on ur parts. up to people intelligent but, its still dont change the facts the ads is fucking unethical. I search other automotive ads in youtube. No one do ads like Honda Malaysia.
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Unfortunately I've seen far too many people treat City as high performance car. No only RS, even the 1.5 as well.

Even met one called Almera 1.0T pathetic. Said his 1.5NA can easily pass a 70km/h lorry, and Almera owner so pity etc, so proud of his slow 0-160km/h in some 45s video. He get triggered when I said both are 10s+ and what to compare as they are both A to B urban city car, compare fuel economy or traffic jam comfort in low 40-60km/h more realistic.

I have no comment on ethical or not part, but I know the ads will roar and excite many fan boys, ricer. Unrealistic self believe their H badge is red in color. Ironically, met a couple of Type R owners at my go to detailing shop to maintain my car, they are humble and friendly.
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LOL, the thai ad is comical ler....
The wedding one is sweet.

The honda city MYS ad is opposite though.

The tech itself is nice, waiting for it to be more mature.
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QUOTE(Nshade @ Mar 23 2021, 09:38 PM)
LOL, the thai ad is comical ler....
The wedding one is sweet.

The honda city MYS ad is opposite though.

The tech itself is nice, waiting for it to be more mature.
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Honda keep changing its hybrid system..Back then IMA, then replace with IDCD, and now IMMD. Problem with new technology is, they will never matured.

Honda can made perfect IMA system or perfect IDCD system. But, problem with perfect system or reliable system, they takes times and by the time, it develop, new technology is way up ahead. Thats why they always come out with newer different system. As they need to keep up with new technology available.

I just understand, why Honda made 2 City. Petrol is for reliability, use 15 years also no problem, while Hybrid is for current tech, so reliability above 10 years throw to the sea.

For those who buy city hybrid, they need to have a mindset not to use it forever. And those who understand about how Honda experiement with their Hybrid, will change car everytime new Hybrid City hybrid come out. Got latest technology. Way ahead in term of technology instead of stuck with old technology like Petrol City.

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Unfortunately I've seen far too many people treat City as high performance car. No only RS, even the 1.5 as well.

Even met one called Almera 1.0T pathetic. Said his 1.5NA can easily pass a 70km/h lorry, and Almera owner so pity etc, so proud of his slow 0-160km/h in some 45s video. He get triggered when I said both are 10s+ and what to compare as they are both A to B urban city car, compare fuel economy or traffic jam comfort in low 40-60km/h more realistic.

I have no comment on ethical or not part, but I know the ads will roar and excite many fan boys, ricer. Unrealistic self believe their H badge is red in color. Ironically, met a couple of Type R owners at my go to detailing shop to maintain my car, they are humble and friendly.
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Problem with Malaysia behavior is, the lower their car performance, the cibai is their driving pattern. And the more expensive the car, the more behave the driving is. Dunno why, cheap car always drive fast everywhere. Want to show what also dunno. Then brag, wow, myvi is king of highway, myvi is fast. same goes to City too.

I had seen axia skid in front of my eyes. Maybe they want to show their car is fast. But if expensive car, step on throttle, it will be way way more faster. But different mentality perhaps. Expensive car more value their life over cheap car.

Ya, speed does not kill, but speed definitely will increase risk to accident and rate of survivability.
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QUOTE(mffa @ Mar 24 2021, 02:25 PM)
Problem with Malaysia behavior is, the lower their car performance, the cibai is their driving pattern. And the more expensive the car, the more behave the driving is. Dunno why, cheap car always drive fast everywhere. Want to show what also dunno. Then brag, wow, myvi is king of highway, myvi is fast. same goes to City too.

I had seen axia skid in front of my eyes. Maybe they want to show their car is fast. But if expensive car, step on throttle, it will be way way more faster. But different mentality perhaps. Expensive car more value their life over cheap car.

Ya, speed does not kill, but speed definitely will increase risk to accident and rate of survivability.
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Good point.

I noticed youngsters drives city or myvi more and they tend to drive very fast or suddenly cut into lane. Those expensive cars are normally matured or family person.(Except rich kids)
Another thing is, expensive car repair is more expensive.

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QUOTE(mffa @ Mar 24 2021, 02:14 PM)
Honda keep changing its hybrid system..Back then IMA, then replace with IDCD, and now IMMD. Problem with new technology is, they will never matured.

Honda can made perfect IMA system or perfect IDCD system. But, problem with perfect system or reliable system, they takes times and by the time, it develop, new technology is way up ahead. Thats why they always come out with newer different system. As they need to keep up with new technology available.

I just understand, why Honda made 2 City. Petrol is for reliability, use 15 years also no problem, while Hybrid is for current tech, so reliability above 10 years throw to the sea.

For those who buy city hybrid, they need to have a mindset not to use it forever. And those who understand about how Honda experiement with their Hybrid, will change car everytime new Hybrid City hybrid come out. Got latest technology. Way ahead in term of technology instead of stuck with old technology like Petrol City.
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Nope.

I still see some old honda insights on the road these days.

And i myself as iDCD city hybrid owner, i plan to use it forever until it breaks.

The money saved from frequent refuelling already been channelled for future hybrid battery repair/replacement should it break.
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Have any new City RS Owner connected to Honda Connect? Got my City RS last Wednesday but don’t know how to connect. Even my SA is not sure.
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QUOTE(mffa @ Mar 24 2021, 02:25 PM)
Problem with Malaysia behavior is, the lower their car performance, the cibai is their driving pattern. And the more expensive the car, the more behave the driving is.
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shakehead.gif while UK beamer and audi drivers ......received lots of negative complaints .....
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QUOTE(DS51 @ Mar 23 2021, 06:57 PM)
Er..where the part of Its kutuk competitors in the ads. Seems like none right. So this is okay ma. No problem can tokok miles away. Just dont up ur product by belittle others.
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In the US, it is very common manufacturers kutuk their competitors in their ads. So i dont consider it as unethical. But i find it very amusing, lol..
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QUOTE(lil_flank @ Mar 27 2021, 07:08 PM)
In the US, it is very common manufacturers kutuk their competitors in their ads. So i dont consider it as unethical. But i find it very amusing, lol..
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Hope can share video here. Want to see it can fight honda ads or not.lol
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QUOTE(DS51 @ Mar 27 2021, 09:32 PM)
Hope can share video here. Want to see it can fight honda ads or not.lol
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Audi vs porsche
https://youtu.be/4xuxX94jNw4

Pepsi vs Coke
https://youtu.be/GyY15Jkkg2A

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These are funny ads. Well thought as well.
Audi vs Porsche felt more like they respect each other as competitor.
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These ads are classy. very different from Honda one.


QUOTE(Nshade @ Mar 28 2021, 01:01 AM)
These are funny ads. Well thought as well.
Audi vs Porsche felt more like they respect each other as competitor.
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Yeah, I think the massage is different. From the ads, they not belittle others. Malaysia marketer need to learn how to poke competitors properly.

If Honda become Jaguar, they will made a video and put mercedes benz s class in their video, show bad things about magic suspension and show good things about their suspension.

But Jaguar, they are not. Instead they just come out with simple words, to poke mercedes benz. Very intelligent, very classy ads.

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I dont understand the gripe on the ads. Its an ads. What it all showing is a city overtaking a camry. Overtaking on a road doesn't mean anything.

People take it too seriously. But maybe thats the norm for malaysian. In real life a better car pantang being overtaken while a souped up b segment car proud of overtaking a higher segment car.
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QUOTE(DS51 @ Mar 28 2021, 02:01 AM)
These ads are classy. very different from Honda one.
Yeah, I think the massage is different. From the ads, they not belittle others. Malaysia marketer need to learn how to poke competitors properly.

If Honda become Jaguar, they will made a video and put mercedes benz s class in their video, show bad things about magic suspension and show good things about their suspension.

But Jaguar, they are not. Instead they just come out with simple words, to poke mercedes benz. Very intelligent, very classy ads.
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I dont understand the gripe on the ads. Its an ads. What it all showing is a city overtaking a camry. Overtaking on a road doesn't mean anything.

People take it too seriously. But maybe thats the norm for malaysian. In real life a better car pantang being overtaken while a souped up b segment car proud of overtaking a higher segment car.
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I dont understand the gripe on the ads. Its an ads. What it all showing is a city overtaking a camry. Overtaking on a road doesn't mean anything.

People take it too seriously. But maybe thats the norm for malaysian. In real life a better car pantang being overtaken while a souped up b segment car proud of overtaking a higher segment car.
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In real life, small car way easily trigged compare to better car. Thats why they come out with that ads. Hardly see, mercedes/bmw pantang being overtaken.

Last time when I not matured yet, I drive quite fast. And Conti if u follow a bit close, they will give way easily. Majority perhaps has set how fast they want to drive, example 140kmh, then if back car follow, they will not speed up instead give way. Conti car with 200hp can easily touch beyond 200kmh.

But, u know what, if u come close to persona, or myvi 1.5, city, wira, u will see they hard to give way. Instead speed up. Lol. Easily trigger.

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Lmao the vid is an absolute joke. Can’t wait for Toyota or UMW to make a Carwow-style 0-100 drag race with Camry vs. City RS. Honda painted themselves into that corner. If they had compared against Vios it’s a bit more realistic.
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Honda wins Red Dot Awards 2021 for new Jazz e:HEV, Jazz Crosstar e:HEV and Forza 750Honda's new hybrid-only Jazz and Jazz Crosstar models and the Forza 750 scooter have been awarded highly coveted Red Dot Awards 2021 in the ‘Product Design’ category

 March 31, 2021


Honda’s new hybrid-only Jazz and Jazz Crosstar models and the Forza 750 scooter have been awarded highly coveted Red Dot Awards 2021 in the ‘Product Design’ category. These internationally renowned accolades are only bestowed upon the highest quality products that excel in product, brand and communication design.

The annual Red Dot awards are decided by a panel of 50 international experts who test, evaluate and discuss each entry to spotlight outstanding design and innovation. The judging criteria are reappraised and adapted each year to reflect the latest technical, social, economic and ecological requirements.

“We have had another successful year, receiving several awards in the Product Design category of the globally-recognised Red Dot design awards,” said Toshinobu Minami, Chief Operating Officer, Design Center, Honda R&D Co. Ltd.,

“Since our establishment, we at Honda have always aimed to reflect the idea of ‘making customers’ daily lives more enjoyable’ in our product design, and we believe that receiving these awards is a recognition of our success in doing this. We will continue to follow this unchanging principle, thinking ‘outside the box’ to design products that provide ‘surprise and excitement’ to customers’ lives.”

The Jazz e:HEV and Jazz Crosstar e:HEV are aligned with Honda’s commitment to electrify 100% of its European models by 2022. The Jazz was designed to encapsulate Honda’s ‘Yoo no bi’ philosophy, which recognises the beauty that exists in everyday items honed over time to make them even more beautiful and ergonomically satisfying to use. The Jazz design also employs Honda’s ‘Man-Maximum, Machine-Minimum’ (M/M) development principle, which is based on the belief that the purpose of technology and design is to serve the needs of the driver and passengers. The result is a car that combines functionality and usability, expressed through innovative features like Magic Seats, yet maintains a sleek and modern appearance.

The rugged Crosstar variant was created to broaden the appeal of the model, presenting a more SUV-style proposition, oriented toward those with active lifestyles. Increased presence comes from a bold front grille design, substantial black trim and stylish side sills and roof rails. The Crosstar-specific alloy wheels, which widen towards the rim, create an increased sense of stability and enhance the robust overall visual effect.

Launched in the Autumn of 2020, the brand-new Honda Forza 750 crowns the celebrated Forza range of luxury scooters, which combine ‘GT’ levels of comfort and road presence with sporty, agile performance in a supremely stylish, premium package. The new flagship Forza is no exception, with classy, roomy styling that offers ample leg room and wind protection for comfortable high-speed cruising, coupled with excellent aerodynamics thanks to a sleek front-end design and slim rear section. It is also designed for easy use around town, with stable handling and effortless acceleration from its torquey, fuel-efficient 745cc twin-cylinder engine.

The classically Forza feature-rich spec sheet includes multiple riding modes, Honda Selectable Torque Control, Honda’s unique-in-motorcycling Dual Clutch Transmission (DCT), full LED lighting and Honda Smartphone Voice Control. The low 790mm seat height, 22 litres of under-seat luggage space – enough to accommodate a full-face helmet – and USB-C charger socket enhance the everyday usability.

SOURCE: Honda


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Honda can now shoot part two ad...This time put it beside newly launch in same year top line Toyota Harrier.

Wahahahah
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So, do we have a confirmation that the new HRV will be launched here?
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So, do we have a confirmation that the new HRV will be launched here?
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Slowly but surely....Unless Honda want to give up the fight in the arena for B segment High Riding cars.

I don't think they will...Not when they have the secret weapon already in same B segment line up
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post Apr 23 2021, 10:39 AM

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https://www.carlist.my/news/2022-honda-hr-v...ly-81961/81961/


Meanwhile this is getting hot in Japan
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post Apr 23 2021, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Apr 1 2021, 08:58 AM)
the new jazz is not coming here anymore.

we'll get city hatchback instead
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post Apr 23 2021, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Apr 23 2021, 10:39 AM)
1 more year 😍.


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post Apr 23 2021, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(JoeK @ Apr 23 2021, 11:18 AM)
the new jazz is not coming here anymore.

we'll get city hatchback instead
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Yeah...It does not matter to me actually.
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post Apr 23 2021, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(Ernest90 @ Apr 23 2021, 03:26 PM)
1 more year 😍.
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Good thing comes to those who wait?
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post Apr 24 2021, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(Ernest90 @ Apr 23 2021, 03:26 PM)
1 more year 😍.
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Price from Japan has launched (checkout paul tan.org). Wanna take a wild guess the price will it be when it come to msia? brows.gif

This post has been edited by tony_mw: Apr 24 2021, 12:34 AM
Ernest90
post Apr 24 2021, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(tony_mw @ Apr 24 2021, 12:29 AM)
Price from Japan has launched (checkout paul tan.org). Wanna take a wild guess the price will it be when it come to msia? brows.gif
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Malaysia always be higher🥲
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QUOTE(Ernest90 @ Apr 24 2021, 10:08 AM)
Malaysia always be higher🥲
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Hopefully the highest variant won’t exceed 140k(if msia will bring in that variant).🥲
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https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/hub/bt-mot...er-system-might

If only this one lands here fast, then it will be interesting

 

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