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JIUHWEI
post Aug 27 2025, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Aug 27 2025, 11:54 AM)
got my answer already, my first question, just do proposal to illustrate since removing rider no way to show me a pdf of the new premium. but yes just removing medical rider not new policy.

2nd question.. the 2nd agent simply quote.

So far from my own survey.. AIA most expensive for similar coverage followed by PRU. Allianz and GE seems comparable. I am still deep diving.
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I am unsure about GE, but AIA portal we can generate the exact premiums for replacing riders. Including projected sustainability.
Can even be sent to client in a pdf document.

Maybe deep dive why AIA so expensive?
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post Aug 27 2025, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Aug 27 2025, 04:01 PM)
I am unsure about GE, but AIA portal we can generate the exact premiums for replacing riders. Including projected sustainability.
Can even be sent to client in a pdf document.

Maybe deep dive why AIA so expensive?
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AIA to cover to 70 RM275
Allianz cover to 80 RM280

same room band board rm200
annual limit allianz higher

Rest all apples to apples. GE I think Medivalue is most cost effective using the RM20k deductible w/retirement option. Cover to 70 RM200 premium.

Some agents are really noob. Some are very experience. But I noticed a lot of them do not give you the PDF by default, need to ask. I can see how clients end up dunno what they buying. I don't intend to keep changing/buying, I am only doing this to jump into a high deductible inso. GE agent tells me RM5k deductible pool and RM500 deductible pool is separate. So the ppl with RM500 abusing inso doesn't impact me, which is what i want.

Hopefully just buy this, and don't ever need to claim until I die.

BNM mandates that inso companies all give proposal giving projections based on X (worse case) and Y (ideal) to compare. I run my numbers based on X between GE & Allianz.. the gap is staggering for the total COI up till age 80: RM117k for GE 5k deductible vs Allianz 5k deductible RM144k. The Allianz agent really pretty but oh well.

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post Aug 28 2025, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Aug 27 2025, 06:57 PM)
AIA to cover to 70 RM275
Allianz cover to 80 RM280

same room band board rm200
annual limit allianz higher

Rest all apples to apples. GE I think Medivalue is most cost effective using the RM20k deductible w/retirement option. Cover to 70 RM200 premium.

Some agents are really noob. Some are very experience. But I noticed a lot of them do not give you the PDF by default, need to ask. I can see how clients end up dunno what they buying. I don't intend to keep changing/buying, I am only doing this to jump into a high deductible inso. GE agent tells me RM5k deductible pool and RM500 deductible pool is separate. So the ppl with RM500 abusing inso doesn't impact me, which is what i want.

Hopefully just buy this, and don't ever need to claim until I die.

BNM mandates that inso companies all give proposal giving projections based on X (worse case) and Y (ideal) to compare. I run my numbers based on X between GE & Allianz.. the gap is staggering for the total COI up till age 80: RM117k for GE 5k deductible vs Allianz 5k deductible RM144k. The Allianz agent really pretty but oh well.  rclxm9.gif
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I vibe with your point - the best policy is the one that is in force.

I train my agents to take their EB into consideration if client cashflow is more sensitive.
After all, since the EB can settle the first 20k (for example), why pay the COI on the first 20k (which is the most expensive)?
After that is exhausted, then the personal policy comes into play.

Tengok, ask you dive deeper kan? AIA Plan 200 AL is 5m now. With all kinds of deductible, co-insurance levels for you to choose from.
Dapat lagi annual health check benefit, dapat lagi vitality perks, dapat lagi no claim benefits.
Dapat lagi exclusive servicing counters at all the Platinum Hospital network.
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post Aug 28 2025, 05:10 PM

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Anyone with experience with Kaotim product, specifically Kaotim Medikad and Kaotim Legasi?

Looking for standalone, agentless, online type. I check Fi-Life but seems Legasi is much cheaper. Kaotim is by myTakaful, should be ok?
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post Aug 30 2025, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(ornehx @ Aug 28 2025, 05:10 PM)
Anyone with experience with Kaotim product, specifically Kaotim Medikad and Kaotim Legasi?

Looking for standalone, agentless, online type. I check Fi-Life but seems Legasi is much cheaper. Kaotim is by myTakaful, should be ok?
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Kaotim is underwritten by Syarikat Takaful Malaysia Berhad, a license takaful company. if not mistaken, STMB is owned by Bank Islam.

Long story short, it's a legit company, running a legit business. do choose a higher deductible if you can when you buy. i recall they have deductible option of 2k or 3k.

QUOTE(Jason @ Aug 27 2025, 01:51 AM)
ayam very confused, I think these ILP stuff is hiding a lot of things behind the scenes and agents misrepresenting stuff to sell.

tolong advise
1. I got existing life+ci with medical rider with GE. If I ONLY want to drop the medical rider do I need to cancel the whole policy? or just drop the rider and maintain the existing policy. And if I drop the medical rider, premium logically should go down right? why my agent quote me a new policy.. I just want to remove the medical rider and buy a new medical policy. Or insurance so stupid must cancel my existing policy just because I wanna remove a rider. If my old policy remove and start from 0 again.. fk this insurance I just go other company lah

2. how come same insurance (GE) same policy, same waiver, same deductible, same rider.. 1 agent quote Rm300/month another agent RM200/month... coverage same, benefits same.. everything same but such huge discrepancy..

1st agent.. show as age progress..premium increase..but the rm200 show same monthly premium up to age 100..not possible kan..
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1. i am 99.99% confident, you can just drop your medical rider, maintain the whole policy. and rightfully, you will receive a premium reduction.

2. there are other "factors" that are at play which are quite technical to explain. Usually, it will be the sustainability age of the policy, fund selection as well. of course, obviously we are referring to the exact same product. but however, what you are explaining sounds like their mechanism works differently, so it's not the exact same thing.
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post Sep 5 2025, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(ornehx @ Aug 28 2025, 05:10 PM)
Anyone with experience with Kaotim product, specifically Kaotim Medikad and Kaotim Legasi?

Looking for standalone, agentless, online type. I check Fi-Life but seems Legasi is much cheaper. Kaotim is by myTakaful, should be ok?
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Dah beli?
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post Sep 5 2025, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(ornehx @ Aug 28 2025, 05:10 PM)
Anyone with experience with Kaotim product, specifically Kaotim Medikad and Kaotim Legasi?

Looking for standalone, agentless, online type. I check Fi-Life but seems Legasi is much cheaper. Kaotim is by myTakaful, should be ok?
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I bought Legasi. It's the cheapest term life in the market, period.

The "moment of truth" is when the time for claims comes...we shall know then if this product is worth it.

Also, possibility of repricing since they seem aggressive in their pricing assumptions, particularly lapse assumptions
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post Sep 5 2025, 09:17 PM

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For Legasi, maybe wanna consider 20y and 30y rm1mil ladder coverage
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post Sep 6 2025, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Sep 5 2025, 03:39 PM)
Dah beli?
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Sudah beli.
In fact I bought both Medikad and Legasi.

Made up my mind after calling up and ask about their product, and they gave me proper explaination. While when I Whatsapp Fi-Select to ask, they replied after half a day and one liner answer totally like chill casual reply.
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post Sep 9 2025, 04:13 PM

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What % of salary / income is recommended to go towards insurance?

Any recommendation on best priced life only insurance around? I somehow prefer the limited tenor payment, just pay it off early and not have to bother after that. but not sure if that's the best.
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post Sep 9 2025, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(Relianne @ Sep 9 2025, 04:13 PM)
What % of salary / income is recommended to go towards insurance?

Any recommendation on best priced life only insurance around? I somehow prefer the limited tenor payment, just pay it off early and not have to bother after that. but not sure if that's the best.
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Just comments... Not a specialist...

Look at your age and what kind of insurance you want to get....

Life is needed when young or when building wealth. Term is good.

Medical should not skip.. In fact, this should get when below 30 years old and get a good one. It's affordable like 300rm... Put in large deductible to cheapen as if you are employed, u can rely in company medical.

And can ignore advice on % salary vs income. Imagine a ceo pay of 50K pm told must spend 20% on insurance. Damn silly lor.

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post Sep 9 2025, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(Relianne @ Sep 9 2025, 04:13 PM)
What % of salary / income is recommended to go towards insurance?

Any recommendation on best priced life only insurance around? I somehow prefer the limited tenor payment, just pay it off early and not have to bother after that. but not sure if that's the best.
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I once read, that it need to take into consideration of your lifestages (example, single, married, married with kids, senior), needs of dependants, liabilities (some plan to use life insurance in place of mrta/mlta), your afford abilities (income & budget), etc etc. So it depends,

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post Sep 12 2025, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Sep 9 2025, 07:11 PM)
I once read, that it need to take into consideration of your lifestages (example, single, married, married with kids, senior), needs of dependants, liabilities (some plan to use life insurance in place of mrta/mlta), your afford abilities (income & budget), etc etc. So it depends,
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Basically, it needs to make sense, needs to be practical.
So there is an actual need to engage and discuss, going through exact situations and numbers, etc, rather than showing a quote here and ask just about anybody "is this a good deal"
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Hi all , what do you all think of this life insurance coverage for a 36 yr old female , with no medical problems? Anything better than this ?
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QUOTE(drbone @ Sep 16 2025, 06:56 PM)
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Hi all , what do you all think of this life insurance coverage for a 36 yr old female , with no medical problems? Anything better than this ?
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If 1023 premium is per month amount, then 1 yr is 12k

For that coverage, If for me, I would try search for more option online, While waiting for value added responses from real sifus
Ex,
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&...IvISOliv3Ood0Qv

https://www.google.com/search?q=life+insura...mobile&ie=UTF-8




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QUOTE(drbone @ Sep 16 2025, 06:56 PM)
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Hi all , what do you all think of this life insurance coverage for a 36 yr old female , with no medical problems? Anything better than this ?
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Not a specialist... i am just looking at numbers...

any reasons why you want to get a life insurance? ie any dependants? or worry that something will happen to you before you retire?

cos if the 1K per month (12K pa) invested, these are the numbers after:

if 6% pa return, portfolio after
10 years: 180K
20 years: 480K
30 years: 1.0 million
40 years: 2.0 million


if 8% pa return, portfolio after
10 years: 200K
20 years: 620K
30 years: 1.5 million
40 years: 3.4 million


of course, this is not insurance...
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QUOTE(drbone @ Sep 16 2025, 06:56 PM)
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Hi all , what do you all think of this life insurance coverage for a 36 yr old female , with no medical problems? Anything better than this ?
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First of all this is not a life insurance, it is a savings plan. For purely life insurance with no surrender RM1mil, you can get for around RM100 per month.
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post Sep 18 2025, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Sep 16 2025, 09:31 PM)
First of all this is not a life insurance, it is a savings plan. For purely life insurance with no surrender RM1mil, you can get for around RM100 per month.
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Why do you say that leh?

I ask because I referred to the PDS, and no where it says that it is a savings plan woh
https://www.greateasternlife.com/content/da...-pd-gmp-pds.pdf

Or what is it that I am missing?
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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Sep 18 2025, 11:55 AM)
Why do you say that leh?

I ask because I referred to the PDS, and no where it says that it is a savings plan woh
https://www.greateasternlife.com/content/da...-pd-gmp-pds.pdf

Or what is it that I am missing?
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If it has a surrender value / maturity benefit, it already has savings elements.

If you buy a pure protection product, it will not have maturity benefit.

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