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Wedchar2912
post Jul 9 2023, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(ykj @ Jul 9 2023, 01:39 PM)
It is like forcing, coercing and threatening a restaurant to give out free food with the worst possible manners, just on the pretext that others will know about the restaurant.
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post Jul 9 2023, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Jul 9 2023, 11:05 AM)
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but only pay 22% tax. ...
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sorry, got 22% tax bracket??? didn't pay tax for a few years already but I don't remember ever having 22% bracket eh....

or this is effective tax rate? then don't need that much also can get there...
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post Jul 14 2023, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 14 2023, 01:08 PM)
I would consider amount of coverage for this coverage more of a concern than the 1 mil medical coverage.

TPD & Accident = 50k | Accidental Death - Additional 50k
CritiCover - CI (194) = 50k | 100k if Cancer Related, Heart Attack, Stroke
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I feel, as someone who has aged a bit, these kind of coverage (life, CI, TPD, etc) are mostly needed in large amount when the person is a young adult and/or have a young family. Not so important after one has aged/managed to accumulate enough to support one's family regardless of what happens to the person.

Pokem0n, I think you can request for as low an amount as you can for these, while the savings can be put into the medical coverage.
Since you are 28, if you feel like you needed more coverage on TPD/CI/Life, request for a separate one that covers you until a certain age like 50 or 55.

trust me, any sane amount (the larger the coverage, the more fees you gave to pay) that you want like 1 million for CI, will be almost nothing by the time you reach 55 years old.... all thanks to inflation.
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post Jul 17 2023, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 17 2023, 10:38 PM)
Er you know right for premium of around RM3k/year, the premium can only sustain until say 70 years old+? I have looked at great eastern, allianz , AIA, prudential. All same only.

Er again not sure where you get the data from, all good agents I talk to said don't expect your ILP to have cash value. Expect 0 value at maturity and you will need to topup along the way for it to be sustainable. How much topup around RM50k. Of course the bad agents I met said don't worry, ILP will cover everything. Lol.
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maybe the agents assume the person will kong/die at 70s? hmm.gif
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post Jul 28 2023, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(karazure @ Jul 28 2023, 10:54 AM)
HI all Sifus,

Unker got this today, it advise me to increase premiums by 80/month.

I read say can maintain but will effect sustainability, anyone know what exactly does that means?

Yes, this policy is investment linked.
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basically they are saying they changed certain assumptions in their model and now, your investment linked may not be enough to cover the expected price increase of medical treatment.

so put more premium to beef up the investment part.

you can do that, or you can invest that 80rm per month yourself. One day, if you are still alive, they will mentioned that your investment fund in the plan ran out of money, and you now need to pay the medical card fee.

(btw, this is why many people don't like ILP, and the same reason why some people love ILP).
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post Jul 28 2023, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 28 2023, 03:09 PM)
You're advise to follow the increment otherwise your policy may lapse earlier due to insufficient funds.
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Does it auto lapse? I had the impression that one can just continue to pay the medical card fees when the funds run out.
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post Jul 28 2023, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Jul 28 2023, 03:18 PM)
With insufficient funds to feed the COI, confirm will lapse.
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That is not my question.

say in 30 years time, the medical card component comes out to be 800rm per month, while the funds [edit:]only has 10 ringgit,
one just pay 800rm diligently every month to keep the whole policy alive.

right?

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jul 28 2023, 03:21 PM)
That is not my question.

say in 30 years time, the medical card component comes out to be 800rm per month, while the funds is 10 ringgit,
one just pay 800rm diligently every month to keep the whole policy alive.

right?
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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Jul 28 2023, 03:21 PM)
When the medical card fee is higher than the premium he's paying, of course will lapse lo.
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That is not my question.

Do read what I meant in the other reply.

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post Jul 28 2023, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 28 2023, 03:23 PM)
It will auto lapse unless you do the recommended top up amount.
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that is not accurate as well.

the letter clearly state "Suggested Premium Increment".
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post Jul 28 2023, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Jul 28 2023, 03:29 PM)
When the time comes, every year the insurer will come up with a similar letter suggesting an amount to sustain the policy to whatever age it was intended.

The insurer will not force you to pay, but come time when funds are insufficient, the insurer will still send you a letter requesting for premiums.
Without which the policy will be lapsed.
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Thanks for this explanation.
This was what was explained to me long ago by my agent, ie not auto-lapse.
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post Jul 28 2023, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 28 2023, 03:23 PM)
It will auto lapse unless you do the recommended top up amount.
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 28 2023, 03:29 PM)
Explain to me what you know about suggested premium increment and what happens if you don't do so.
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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Jul 28 2023, 03:29 PM)
When the time comes, every year the insurer will come up with a similar letter suggesting an amount to sustain the policy to whatever age it was intended.

The insurer will not force you to pay, but come time when funds are insufficient, the insurer will still send you a letter requesting for premiums.
Without which the policy will be lapsed.
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explanation from @JIUHWEI pretty much explains it.

What you @lifebalance said is too short a reply, and can mean that the recommended extra 80rm must be paid, else lapse policy.
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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Jul 28 2023, 03:34 PM)
So you mean like now my premium is 30% medical card and 70% investment, I can just pay 30% premium every month and the insurance company will allow that?
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Yes. that is what I understands.

But please don't do so.
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post Jul 28 2023, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 28 2023, 03:31 PM)
You cannot do that. You still need to pay RM810. Why? It's called investment link for a reason. You cannot remove the investment part of it. Even if your funds not enough, you need to pay for the investment part.
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oh sorry, I meant the fund has a value of 10rm, while the medical card fee portion requires RM 800 per month.

When this happens (in the far future), the policy is still in effect as long as one makes sure the medical card portion is paid, ie RM 800 per month.
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post Jul 28 2023, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 28 2023, 03:37 PM)
Whether you like the English word Suggested or not.

You got headache. Doctor SUGGEST you to eat Panadol. You don't want to eat, then you will ABSOLUTELY continue to have headache.

So, my answer is already clear enough, you don't want to top up, then your policy is ABSOLUTELY going to lapse earlier than the original term.

There, my long version.
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Your sentence was too short, and it implies as if the 80rm must be top-up now, else the policy will lapse.

Btw, the English word Suggested has legal implication.
Since you want to pick on my English, I would like to clarify that the doctor did not suggest. It is a prescription, and it carries legal implication.

Just becareful of how you answer, since you always say you are responsible agent.
I have no bone to pick with anyone here, just wanted to make sure the explanation is accurate about that letter.
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post Jul 28 2023, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Jul 28 2023, 03:43 PM)
No bro....
The main policy is the basic plan, which is the life insurance and the "investment portion".

Your main policy die, your rider how to jalan?
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This part I do not know, but I assume you guys who are agents to know better.

But what i know is the investment portion is just investment funds and there is no legally binding amount that the policy holder must ensure sufficiency. Else it will create a moral hazard where the insurance provider purposely make bad investment choices.
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post Jul 28 2023, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 28 2023, 03:47 PM)
Clearly I did not mean the recommended top up must be paid now or the policy lapses immediately ON THE SPOT.

You are free to quote me back on what I said. I'm pretty clear on what I've said and have no problem with my English.
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Its ok... lets just move on. It doesn't really matter.
Apologies from my side if I sounded harsh.

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Jul 28 2023, 03:48 PM)
Wow. Didn't know about that.

But why don't do that? It will become like standalone medical card no?
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It becoming a standalone card, I don't know...

But what I know is everything is a matter of model projection.

Plus if you try one time to contribute extra 50rm into your ILP and then see where the money went... it goes to the funds.
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post Jul 28 2023, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Jul 28 2023, 03:59 PM)
That's why I'm surprised.

But Wedchar2912 seems very confident that it can be done tho.
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btw, I am not an agent... I am just sharing what I know, which may or may not be accurate.

But, if you receive such a letter for your ILP, i would recommend you discuss with your agent or a friend who works in insurance product side.... smile.gif
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post Jul 28 2023, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(JIUHWEI @ Jul 28 2023, 04:05 PM)
Well, I don't need to prove that I'm right.

Same goes to @lifebalance

@lifebalance literally pouring his heart and soul into this forum, yet forumers don't seem to appreciate it.
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sorry, this part I disagree.

It all comes down to how you and lifebalance carried yourselves here. You both declared that you are agents and hence you both have fiduciary duties to ensure what you mentioned are accurate and truthful.

I am not an agent (actually I have never declared what I used to do), so I do not have the same responsibilities.

Appreciation or not from forumers takes secondary priority.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 28 2023, 05:02 PM)
From what I know (this is what the agent tell me, don't shoot me), if you claimed for stuff and insurance ask to pay and claim first, the time when you submit the claim to time of payment, the insurance company will send a letter to all clinics and hospitals within 40km of your house/working place, have Mr xyz have come here before. If yes for what reason? If no then you are clear. If yes, then you kantoi. Not sure how far back they can dig it up.

Someone mentioned before here before the PDPA law, insurance company exchange information with one another. Say you got rejected by insurance A and you decided to buy insurance B but you didn't tell insurance B you got decline for insurance A, insurance B will ask around other insurance company have this person been your customer? Not sure if it's still done today with PDPA law.
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So scary meh? but that is a lot of letters to send out and would that not be a breach of doctor/patient confidentiality?
If I am a doctor, I also will ignore cos it is silly and a waste of my time.

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