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post Sep 28 2024, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(PJng @ Sep 27 2024, 11:52 PM)
how to test or check is it SSD problem? or cable can cause it?
internal SSD seem is slow on write, but read is ok, so when i playing game no feel slow down, yes i store game on this SSD

model and name in screenshot

when copy file to this disk task manager disk usage will 100%, avg respond time will get over 2000 to 10000ms
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Use another SATA cable

Move to another SATA port

Use it on USB enclosure
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post Sep 28 2024, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Sep 28 2024, 04:52 PM)
Use another SATA cable

Move to another SATA port

Use it on USB enclosure
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Dom have enclosure, hope switch port can solve
Btw mine is HP desktop, currently SSD connected to blue color SATA port (SATA0), there is also got white color SATA port (SATA1), what the different? Trying google search no result

Edit, is SATA0 to HDD blue color port, SATA1 white color no connect anything, SATA2 connect to this SSD blue color port

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post Sep 29 2024, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(PJng @ Sep 28 2024, 05:55 PM)
Dom have enclosure, hope switch port can solve
Btw mine is HP desktop, currently SSD connected to blue color SATA port (SATA0), there is also got white color SATA port (SATA1), what the different? Trying google search no result

Edit, is SATA0 to HDD blue color port, SATA1 white color no connect anything, SATA2 connect to this SSD blue color port
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Different colour could mean which connects to CPU and which connects to chipset/onboard SATA controller.
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post Sep 29 2024, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(PJng @ Sep 28 2024, 05:55 PM)
Dom have enclosure, hope switch port can solve
Btw mine is HP desktop, currently SSD connected to blue color SATA port (SATA0), there is also got white color SATA port (SATA1), what the different? Trying google search no result

Edit, is SATA0 to HDD blue color port, SATA1 white color no connect anything, SATA2 connect to this SSD blue color port
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You gotta provide more info about what HP Desktop this is
some older models may have like, 6.0Gbps port for Hard Drive and 1.5Gbps port for optical drive
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QUOTE(PRSXFENG @ Sep 29 2024, 08:04 PM)
You gotta provide more info about what HP Desktop this is
some older models may have like, 6.0Gbps port for Hard Drive and 1.5Gbps port for optical drive
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HP Victus gaming desktop TG02, intel i5 12400F
Website does not mention white or blue color port
Just recent week become slow when trying extract Rar file
Remaining time keep increase
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post Sep 30 2024, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(PJng @ Sep 29 2024, 08:29 PM)
HP Victus gaming desktop TG02, intel i5 12400F
Website does not mention white or blue color port
Just recent week become slow when trying extract Rar file
Remaining time keep increase
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If its not apparent before and getting worse by day, it could mean SSD degradation. Have you done CD info and HD Sentinel scan yet?
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Sep 30 2024, 12:54 PM)
If its not apparent before and getting worse by day, it could mean SSD degradation. Have you done CD info and HD Sentinel scan yet?
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As above already posted ssd health, very less tbw,
Copy out big file no issue, copy in ssd very slow, need check my drawer got extra SATA cable or not
I not yet test change SATA port as not sure white color port what mean
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post Oct 1 2024, 04:36 AM

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QUOTE(PJng @ Sep 29 2024, 08:29 PM)
HP Victus gaming desktop TG02, intel i5 12400F
Website does not mention white or blue color port
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Can't find the pdf manual from HP site?
Ur desktop not that old (12th gen intel), all SATA ports should be SATA III (6Gbps). I googled a bit, seems the color just for ease of identification. Usually SATA0 for boot drive, the rest u can plug in anything doesn't matter the order as long u configure properly in Bios/uefi

U try to rule out bad sata port or bad cable first.
I assume the ssd is not thermal throttling when writing, based on your temperature in screenshot.

But i think likely cause is one of these:
- drive itself (faulty NAND or controller)
- OS not properly performing TRIM
- drive usage almost full (85% in ur screenshot). Yes, if u didn't overprovision and almost full, ssd write speeds will drop. How bad it drop depends on quality of your drive & other factors. U can google all about this
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QUOTE(PJng @ Sep 30 2024, 09:03 PM)
As above already posted ssd health, very less tbw,
Copy out big file no issue, copy in ssd very slow, need check my drawer got extra SATA cable or not
I not yet test change SATA port as not sure white color port what mean
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Need more than one test. Also inhouse app cannot always trust. Mine Adata app give me far higher speeds than CDMark, Iometer & others.

Do process of elimination
Use same cable but different ports, compare speed
Use different cable, but test for each port, compare speed

If consistent its likely your SSD is ran out of buffer or some shit DRAMless QLC

IINM SSD are multiyear warranty, so if your not happy can do RMA too. No guarantees the next one will be better tho.

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post Oct 1 2024, 12:40 PM

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just trying change different cable

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https://www.transcend-info.com/product/internal-ssd/ssd230s

560TBW, now only 3TBW
will need some day to test other port or cable, hope white port can use


QUOTE(socratesman @ Oct 1 2024, 04:36 AM)
Can't find the pdf manual from HP site?
Ur desktop not that old (12th gen intel), all SATA ports should be SATA III (6Gbps). I googled a bit, seems the color just for ease of identification. Usually SATA0 for boot drive, the rest u can plug in anything doesn't matter the order as long u configure properly in Bios/uefi

U try to rule out bad sata port or bad cable first.
I assume the ssd is not thermal throttling when writing, based on your temperature in screenshot.

But i think likely cause is one of these:
- drive itself (faulty NAND or controller)
- OS not properly performing TRIM
- drive usage almost full (85% in ur screenshot). Yes, if u didn't overprovision and almost full, ssd write speeds will drop. How bad it drop depends on quality of your drive & other factors. U can google all about this
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i cannot found any of pdf, only pdf that show how to upgrade RAM, SSD, HDD
are 85% used too high? i did not make any spare partition of it



edit, added video, copy from MVNE SSD to this SATA SSD, sorry a part of speed cannot see, i not very good in record video

this done after tying delete about 50GB of game i did not play

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for nand-based ssds, it's essential to leave unallocated free space to maintain performance. in the case of general usage, normally 15% is ok.
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after few day of replacing cable, speed unstable, even try delete some unplay game on disk
just now change to white SATA port, seem is fine after first test
will continue check after several day

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Test again when F: usage reaches 85% or higher
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QUOTE(socratesman @ Oct 7 2024, 10:44 AM)
Test again when F:  usage reaches 85% or higher
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Or i just copy same game file until reach 85%
Need some day to test
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QUOTE(socratesman @ Oct 7 2024, 10:44 AM)
Test again when F:  usage reaches 85% or higher
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filled up to 85%, speed drop, still on white SATA port

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This is the most affordable 2TB Gen 4 SSD on the market right now, especially when combined with multiple vouchers and Lazada coins.

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i noticed ssd (gen4) prices drop a bit these few weeks.
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post Oct 11 2024, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(PJng @ Oct 10 2024, 11:14 PM)
filled up to 85%, speed drop, still on white SATA port

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Its likely your write buffer ady overload even at 15% free. Try going down to 80% or 75% fill until you gain back write speed. The free space should be your limit not to touch.
For hassle free you can partition off this chunk of reserved space and keep it hidden. That way the only space you 'see' is what you can fill up to.
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QUOTE(overfloe @ Oct 11 2024, 08:59 AM)
i noticed ssd (gen4) prices drop a bit these few weeks.
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Might be due to RM going up again recently..
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Oct 11 2024, 10:53 AM)
Its likely your write buffer ady overload even at 15% free. Try going down to 80% or 75% fill until you gain back write speed. The free space should be your limit not to touch.
For hassle free you can partition off this chunk of reserved space and keep it hidden. That way the only space you 'see' is what you can fill up to.
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So either not use over 85% space, or make extra partition without driver letter?

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