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post Jul 22 2007, 12:10 PM, updated 18y ago

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Anyone Go Genting And Gamble and Always Win Smart?

or anyone everyday go genting whose job as a gambler and win smart daily to survive?

or anyone take Rm100-RM50k to gamble big in genting? what's yr opinion? win big or wait for opportunity when the time is right daily?

Have u seen people gambling Rm20k per bet and win big in the VIP section it is very exciting watching them play big.

Seen B4 RM1k chip, RM5k chip, RM10kchip, RM100k chip.

Did u encounter people who always go to genting and win few hundred aday and comes back daily and win few hundred as a daily routine job?

Each day win rm100 * 30 days = Rm3000 monthly income as a living/income. if u r not greedy.

What is yr experience like?. any recommendations/suggestion?

How much would u take to genting to gamble the maximum amt of money? 1k,5k,10k,15k,20k etc

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QUOTE(mlpk @ Jul 22 2007, 12:10 PM)
Anyone Go Genting And Gamble and Always Win Smart?

or anyone everyday go genting whose job as a gambler and win smart daily to survive?

or anyone take Rm100-RM50k to gamble big in genting? what's yr opinion? win big or wait for opportunity when the time is right daily?

Have u seen people gambling Rm20k per bet and win big in the VIP section it is very exciting watching them play big.

Seen B4 RM1k chip, RM5k chip, RM10kchip, RM100k chip.

Did u encounter people who always go to genting and win few hundred aday and comes back daily and win few hundred  as a daily routine job?

Each day win rm100 * 30 days = Rm3000 monthly income as a living/income. if u r not greedy.

What is yr experience like?. any recommendations/suggestion?

How much would u take to genting to gamble the maximum amt of money? 1k,5k,10k,15k,20k etc
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If you study in school, you will know gambling doesn't guarantee winning.

What people called win smart is when you win, you leave the table, when you lose, you also leave the table. When you sit on the table long enough, the banker will always win.

Casino never goes bankrupt because banker always win, and players refuse to believe that.

Only Uncle Lim Wins Smart ... not you.
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post Jul 22 2007, 01:13 PM

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TS should go see those who lose. whistling.gif

See how many cry, borrow from Ah Longs, take from wife (or husband), neglect their children, sell their bodies to support their gambling habits.

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Haha.. gambling.. till now the highest i've ever win in genting is Rm200 only haha...
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i got a trick......SURE WIN just dont know u dare or not only
buy some sweet......throw under the table that u gamble brows.gif
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post Jul 22 2007, 01:28 PM

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me so far -RM150 to genting. laugh.gif

i saw auntie place bet RM10-20k per bet last time i went. she bet in two tables somemore. saw her won lots of round but in the end, she forked out RM10k-RM30K cash to change chips and eventually i didnt see around anymore.

maybe hide in the corner crying.
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post Jul 22 2007, 01:29 PM

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got 1 way sure win..1st u bet 10k..if u lose u bet 20k if u lose again u bet 40k..if u lose again u bet 80k and so on..once u win u will win 10k..yes..thats the smart way of gambling in genting..only foxes know how to use these kinda skills
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The banker always win, nuff' said.
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QUOTE(outsider @ Jul 22 2007, 01:25 PM)
i got a trick......SURE WIN just dont know u dare or not only
buy some sweet......throw under  the table that u gamble  brows.gif
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AHh---HAHAHAHAHAH-- HAHAHAHhahaHAha
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post Jul 22 2007, 02:55 PM

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I always go there and look at ppl's luck. When that guy keep on winning, I tumpang bet tongue.gif
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QUOTE(suiteng @ Jul 22 2007, 02:55 PM)
I always go there and look at ppl's luck. When that guy keep on winning, I tumpang bet tongue.gif
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ya.. itu lah caranya.
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You see whether you have any friends that super bad luck ... then you bring him to genting along, you bet the opposite of what he is betting !!!
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gambling need 6th sense, luck n skill.. n remember the tips to win is play smart n don't greddy...
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how abt did u seen any ppl cheating b4?
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post Jul 22 2007, 04:00 PM

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i once win rm1K there.
how i win it, i not gonna tell u.
but whenever i start losing, i add up my bet.
cos the longer u didnt win, the possibility that u will win in the next round are higher.
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QUOTE(wilson88 @ Jul 22 2007, 02:47 PM)
AHh---HAHAHAHAHAH-- HAHAHAHhahaHAha
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but risk got capture by the guard or captain brows.gif laugh.gif
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oh yaa... must wear a red underwear to casino!!! tongue.gif
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when i reached age 21, i went find unker lim... during all my visits into the casino, none of it i come out with extra cash...

thus, i will never trust gambling can earn money.... invest in my car to genting pek kona also better... doh.gif
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Walau eh the advice on the first page is enough to pokai a few people already.

To the OP, I would say if one has a decent grasp of form 4 modern maths, it's obviously impossible (or pretty damn near impossible) to gamble smart in genting. When you connect all your sessions back-to-back, it makes no difference whether you win 100 daily for a month or 3000 in 5 minutes. And for those advocating martingale betting, you are just looking for trouble.

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post Jul 22 2007, 06:24 PM

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sometimes i see those heavy gamblers sometimes win big and lose, come think of it can easily hired anyone earning an average job salary in a month. even seen people winning rm50k just 5-10 mins games or a brand new car.

If a person who have the guts to play big, it should win big or lose big else to those who play safe, their life is always average type. even in any area of investment as well. Same as Share market.

if u buy 1 lot compare to 1000 lots even got tips on certain stock that will go up also cannot get rich bcos normal people afraid and just buy 1 lot or so. Because normal people scare of losing. Why some people r so rich bcos they take alot of risk in their life. can't compare

Its like playing gambling with small kids 5cents -10 cents no rasa to u. To them Rm10k is just 1 cents. they dont care come and win lah.

Don't u think that everyone is scare of losing even to the casino. Billionaire like bill gates come and play, casino also sweating. 50 50 chances unless cheating. Have to take risk abit sometimes.

try putting Rm10k per bet on the table and see yr hand is shaking/sweating or yr heart is beating very fast or not.


Physikology play here.

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smart gambler won't play at genting. their probability to win is one of the lowest among all casino.
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post Jul 22 2007, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(Slowpoke @ Jul 22 2007, 04:28 PM)
And for those advocating martingale betting, you are just looking for trouble.
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If you want to win the banker, get a book on blackjack gambling and spend serious time (years) on card calculation.

If you just want to bet without skill, play baccaret. The house odds are less favourable compared to the rest.

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I saw aunties in their 70's bringing their own white rice + boiled eggs and drink Uncle Lim's dispenser water so that they can save some $$ to feed the one-arm bandits. Really, they are better off spending that money on their own health/proper food. I feel sorry for them.
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gambling is a SURE lose unless you're those talented guys with lots of luck and sixth sense.imho,you'll NEVERwin unless some out of this world entity helps you.come on,every gambler is a LOSER in life(and definitely a loser on the gambling table).when you lose a lot of money,automatically you'll be a loser,right?simple statistics can actually dictate your outcome,whether you'll win or lose.i know a guy,student of only 21years old going to genting every weekend just to fulfill is gambling lust.last week,travelled to some casino in the thai border just to try out his luck.Whenever he's free,most of the time is spent at the local illegal mesin kuda shop.Best part is,he buys magnum and toto like nobody's business.bets on soccer like crazy too..unbelievable eh?heck,he'll be better off spending the monsy his parents splurge on him every month on food and other stuff.Never gamble unless you're gifted...because of gamblers more and more bookies and casino owners are living a jet-setting lifestyle.
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Meet an uncle in casino, he told me his story that he comes from a very poor family, have to rise 2 kids to oversea for education and need alot of money to support his family, so daily he drives taxi but at night go to genting and earn a living thru gambling but play smart he said.

always double up yr money in order to win money he said. first time win then second time double up yr money to order to win money or else u wont win money. win 2-3 times then go back home, then come back tomorow he said.

Even lose afew stop and come back tomorow, bcos luck is different everytime, if u lose dont play come back tomorow. eg bring Rm100 lose rm25 stop playing come back tomorow he said.

if first round win Rm25 doubleup next round (modal Rm25+wining 25) if win again, u gain RM75 else lose only Rm25. then u can go back. Come back again next day. Dont be greedy

He say he have been going daily to genting for 25 years ++ in order to support his children education and family. its is a tough road/footstep to follow he said not anybody can follow. he have no choice bcos he is non educated and dont have a good job/stable job. Have to go thru the hard way he said

In life anybody lose, he/she will fight back and gamble more and dont want to go back until it win back the money lose but for him no, tomorow come back. Just take it as a makan angin trip. Bcos normal people will be greedy bcos come all the way win little money no fun lah and then continue to fight for more for sure and in the end lose all.

In order to win in casino, a person have to be clear of mind and no worries, not to rush for time to go back, take it as a vacation, follow yr heart, be patients plenty of time wait for a good show, dont quarrel, Dont be influence by anybody, no need to report to anybody(eg wife/gf/friends/parents), always be positive before going to casino or else u will lose, dont be negative else dont gamble at all if afraid of losing, Fear of losing /No confident is where nightmare starts for everybody in gambling table etc.

Just hear his story make yr own judgement. (MAY LUCK BE WITH YOU ALWAYS)

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This is a bad thread but please if anyone is gonna follow the advices, BET WITHIN YOUR LIMIT PLEASE.

Don't gamble when you're sleepy.
Don't gamble when you dont have money to lose anymore
Don't gamble when you're in a hurry.
Don't gamble when you are on a losing streak.
Don't gamble when you go Genting. tongue.gif

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Have fun and enjoy the game.
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post Jul 24 2007, 09:30 PM

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get angpow from uncle lim
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90 % you ll lose...
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post Jul 24 2007, 09:37 PM

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the moment you decided to gamble, no matter what type of game, you are already considered lost

here i go again with my maths lesson during my A-levels

for example : Every RM1 you gamble on 4D (those days not yet have Mbox etc), you have already lost 40c before the result is made known. That is what the banker is making every time your gamble

so if you can't afford to lose then you should not gamble

for my own experience, my first time into the casino, i won RM100 which compensated for a MS mouse i bought the week before thumbup.gif
after which uncle lim have been claiming that sum back with VERY HIGH interest laugh.gif
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gamble 24hrs/48hrs and lady luck will come
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QUOTE(ankw @ Jul 24 2007, 09:51 PM)
gamble 24hrs/48hrs and lady luck will come
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QUOTE(ankw @ Jul 24 2007, 10:15 PM)
training to be a pro gambler smile.gif
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What i learn from gambling is purely 50%-100% based on luck others is just calculation. if u can train you luck then congrats cheers happy.gif
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is there any school who can train to be a pro gambler and win all the time.


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is there any school who can train to be a pro gambler and win all the time.
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When only talking I win all the time.
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QUOTE(Slowpoke @ Jul 24 2007, 11:23 PM)
When only talking I win all the time.
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anybody here is brave enough to get uncle lim bonus/money. or dont dare to win money.
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QUOTE(mlpk @ Jul 22 2007, 12:10 PM)
Anyone Go Genting And Gamble and Always Win Smart?

or anyone everyday go genting whose job as a gambler and win smart daily to survive?

or anyone take Rm100-RM50k to gamble big in genting? what's yr opinion? win big or wait for opportunity when the time is right daily?

Have u seen people gambling Rm20k per bet and win big in the VIP section it is very exciting watching them play big.

Seen B4 RM1k chip, RM5k chip, RM10kchip, RM100k chip.

Did u encounter people who always go to genting and win few hundred aday and comes back daily and win few hundred  as a daily routine job?

Each day win rm100 * 30 days = Rm3000 monthly income as a living/income. if u r not greedy.

What is yr experience like?. any recommendations/suggestion?

How much would u take to genting to gamble the maximum amt of money? 1k,5k,10k,15k,20k etc
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QUOTE(outsider @ Jul 22 2007, 01:25 PM)
i got a trick......SURE WIN just dont know u dare or not only
buy some sweet......throw under  the table that u gamble  brows.gif
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Nyahahahaha, left out another important thing, wear red color underwear. brows.gif
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QUOTE(mlpk @ Jul 22 2007, 06:24 PM)
sometimes i see those heavy gamblers sometimes win big and lose, come think of it can easily hired anyone earning an average  job salary in a month. even seen people winning rm50k just 5-10 mins games or a brand new car.

If a person who have the guts to play big, it should win big or lose big else to those who play safe, their life is always average type. even in any area of investment as well. Same as Share market.

if u buy 1 lot compare to 1000 lots even got tips on certain stock that will go up also cannot get rich bcos normal people afraid and just buy 1 lot or so. Because normal people scare of losing. Why some people r so rich bcos they take alot of risk in their life. can't compare

Its like playing gambling with small kids 5cents -10 cents no rasa to u. To them Rm10k is just 1 cents. they dont care come and win lah.

Don't u think that everyone is scare of losing even to the casino.  Billionaire like bill gates come and play, casino also sweating. 50 50 chances unless cheating. Have to take risk abit sometimes.

try putting Rm10k per bet on the table and see yr hand is shaking/sweating or yr heart is beating very fast or not.
Physikology play here.
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a trip to casino to get money and win alot for 24hr/48hrs.
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if u lose a bet always double up da next bet... until u cant double up da next bet anymore den..............................







































den can suicide dee... tongue.gif haha
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QUOTE(ankw @ Jul 22 2007, 10:17 PM)
Meet an uncle in casino, he told me his story that he comes from a very poor family, have to rise 2 kids to oversea for education and need alot of money to support his family, so daily he drives taxi but at night go to genting and earn a living thru gambling but play smart he said.

always double up yr money in order to win money he said. first time win then second time double up yr money to order to win money or else u wont win money. win 2-3 times then go back home, then come back tomorow he said.

Even lose afew stop and come back tomorow, bcos luck is different everytime, if u lose dont play come back tomorow. eg bring Rm100 lose rm25 stop playing come back tomorow he said.

if first round win Rm25 doubleup next round (modal Rm25+wining 25) if win again, u gain RM75 else lose only Rm25. then u can go back. Come back again next day. Dont be greedy

He say he have been going daily to genting for 25 years ++ in order to support his children education and family. its is a tough road/footstep to follow he said not anybody can follow. he have no choice bcos he is non educated and dont have a good job/stable job. Have to go thru the hard way he said

In life anybody lose, he/she will fight back and gamble more and dont want to go back until it win back the money lose but for him no, tomorow come back. Just take it as a makan angin trip. Bcos normal people will be greedy bcos come all the way win little money no fun lah and then continue to fight for more for sure and in the end lose all.

In order to win in casino, a person have to be clear of mind and no worries, not to rush for time to go back, take it as a vacation, follow yr heart, be patients plenty of time wait for a good show, dont quarrel, Dont be influence by anybody, no need to report to anybody(eg wife/gf/friends/parents), always be positive before going to casino or else u will lose, dont be negative else dont gamble at all if afraid of losing, Fear of losing /No confident is where nightmare starts for everybody in gambling table etc.

Just hear his story make yr own judgement. (MAY LUCK BE WITH YOU ALWAYS)
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^^ most probably his area is near genting area so not much spent on petrol.

I think it would be better to one time bet 20k and if u lose too bad.
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^^ too bad would also means suicide for some. It's not a trivial matter.
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use to go up once in a while. Winning and losing is part of gambling.
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must have alot guts and patients alot in order to win. THINK POSITIVELY
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QUOTE(littlegreen @ Jul 24 2007, 09:33 PM)
90 % you ll lose...
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Why 90% will lose? Game like "Big" or "Small", it is either big, small or triple. So, the chance will be slightly less than 50%. How often will it be triple anyway?
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QUOTE(wishb0ne @ Jul 25 2007, 07:00 PM)
Why 90% will lose? Game like "Big" or "Small", it is either big, small or triple. So, the chance will be slightly less than 50%. How often will it be triple anyway?
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6 ways to triple out of 6x6x6 combinations, so it's 1/36 chance lo. Form 4 maths, did you take it, mofo.
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QUOTE(Slowpoke @ Jul 25 2007, 08:54 PM)
6 ways to triple out of 6x6x6 combinations, so it's 1/36 chance lo. Form 4 maths, did you take it, mofo.
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So? That means only 1/36 chances to get a triple. Pretty slim, mofo. You have a much higher chance to win through double up. Whats the probability of losing 5 streaks in a row? Do the maths. mofo again.

Honestly, I won about RM5-6K monthly, just part time an hour a day. Target just RM200 perday.

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QUOTE(wishb0ne @ Jul 25 2007, 11:49 PM)
So? That means only 1/36 chances to get a triple. Pretty slim, mofo. You have a much higher chance to win through double up. Whats the probability of losing 5 streaks in a row? Do the maths. mofo again.

Honestly, I won about RM5-6K monthly, just part time an hour a day. Target just RM200 perday.
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Every toss is a new game of probability. The numbers that came up will still be there in the next game.

So even after losing 4 games in a streak, you chance of winning the next round is still a little less than 50% (yup, that little percentage has been reserved by the casino through the gaming rules and such).


Now lets try doing the maths for doubling up the bet after a loss.

1st bet: $100
Outcome: Loss
Credit: - $100

2nd bet: $200
Outcome: Loss
Credit: - $100 - $200 = - $300

3rd bet: $400
Outcome: Loss
Credit: - $300 - $400 = - $700

4th bet: $800
Outcome: Loss
Credit: - $700 - $800 = - $1500

5th bet: $1600
Outcome: Win
Credit: -$1500 + $1600 = $100

At the 5th bet, you are actually betting $1600 to win back $100.
Question is, what happens when you lost the $1600 and don't have enough to bet $3200?


If you have a very large reserves, and you bet small enough, I guess you can actually win a little every night.
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QUOTE(xecton @ Jul 26 2007, 08:46 AM)
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Now lets try doing the maths for doubling up the bet after a loss.

1st bet: $100
Outcome: Loss
Credit: - $100

2nd bet: $200
Outcome: Loss
Credit: - $100 - $200 = - $300

3rd bet: $400
Outcome: Loss
Credit: - $300 - $400 = - $700

4th bet: $800
Outcome: Loss
Credit: - $700 - $800 = - $1500

5th bet: $1600
Outcome: Win
Credit: -$1500 + $1600 = $100

At the 5th bet, you are actually betting $1600 to win back $100.
Question is, what happens when you lost the $1600 and don't have enough to bet $3200?

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For those who doesn't know, this is the martingale system. Casinos now have the betting limits to counter martingales because smart gamblers of generations before profited from 'reverse-martingale' system.

If you really want to win vs casino, get started with the blackjack game and always sit to the extreme right of the dealer.
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there is no 100% winner
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QUOTE(ashburn98 @ Jul 26 2007, 09:11 AM)
For those who doesn't know, this is the martingale system. Casinos now have the betting limits to counter martingales because smart gamblers of generations before profited from 'reverse-martingale' system.

If you really want to win vs casino, get started with the blackjack game and always sit to the extreme right of the dealer.
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Even if you do that, you probably won't turn a decent or even profitable ROI% and will have to push heaps and heaps of money through the system to see any significant EV. Casinos use many decks, so it's harder to count cards. And if you make even a few mistakes, that's enough to nullify your entire profit from counting all day.
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Nyahahahahahha, Malaysia got God of Gambler? Too much of Chow Sing Chi movies.  laugh.gif
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personally,i've gamble at genting highland for very long time....and my total record up till last month is rm10k plus...
all started from my small capital which is rm200.

i have a friend use rm1000 and he earn rm300k over..
but that is not one night effort...
it's few months...

i have a few trick for u guys who want to gamble up there..
i am not sure if u believe it anot...but i do...and that's how it work for me..
1.) always bring sweet up. mentos,halls, anything will do,as long as sweet..
reason : after the guard hse at genting highland(at the hill)..
there's so many ghost there...and they will enter ur pocket and take all ur money,eat ur money,and if you have sweet,they will eat the sweet...and when they are full,they happy,will give u luck...
[ i've experience this b4...there's once i didn't bring sweet..and after the guard hse..i felt extremely headache..it's a sign that i will get bad luck...and in the casino..i lost rm500..then i stop.]..

2.) never wear red shirt into the casino.. to most chinese,red means luck..
but in genting,red means blood...very bad luck..opposite side of luck..
it's better if u wear white or black or dark..cos u are respecting the ghost up there..

all this is what i heard from all the senior gambler...so,i follow them...learn from the expert..but still improving myself..
still this is all depend on luck...

3.) there's one way to win everything
but u have to bring alot of money.
MINIMUM must be rm640..still up to individual..
never place on a bet which equal to 1 profit...cos not worth ur gamble..
place on those x4 or x7 or x16...which is high profit..
first bet, rm5(only afternoon u can get rm5 at monte carlo-first right turning from casino de genting),then if u lose, double,rm10,if lose double again,rm20...that's how i gamble..
some may say i am stupid...lose still double..but see this..

capital : rm10...if lose
add : capital : rm20....total rm30 capital...if lose again...
add : capital : rm40...total capital is rm70...if win...(say profit is x4)
u earn rm280..
deduct your capital which is rm70,u earn rm210..

see how i earn?

ah,another thing....usually,first timer enter casino,will earn alot..
but if u go in second time,it's depend on luck and some may even lose..
cos first time u enter,the ghost welcome you...(i know maybe u guys might think this is stupid,crap..but still what some people believe..)

(if still want to know more about gambling can pm me...cos lazy to type so much)...


actually i learn all this from my sifu...the one earn rm300k...
and he go genting every month..cos u kenot go very often...bad luck...once u get luck,let it settle down..then go up after 2weeks or so..
cos u heard of air pasang air surut?
today u lucky,2mrw not lucky...
so, let the luck cool down..=)

btw,this is only for those who are really into gambling..
etc myself..dun learn it if you don't prepare to lose.

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About 2 years ago while reading a gambling book ...an idea came out of my mind so I created a method playing at roulette. So far success rate is 100 percent but the downside of my method is that you can only win about 50 percent of your capital. Example ...if you bring Rm 1000 to the casino, you can only win about RM 500 after 4 hours of play.


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About 2 years ago while reading a gambling book ...an idea came out of my mind so I created a method playing at roulette. So far success rate is 100 percent but the downside of my method is that you can only win about 50 percent of your capital. Example ...if you bring Rm 1000 to the casino, you can only win about RM 500 after 4 hours of play.
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QUOTE(virginslayer @ Jul 27 2007, 11:47 PM)
personally,i've gamble at genting highland for very long time....and my total record up till last month is rm10k plus...
all started from my small capital which is rm200.

i have a friend use rm1000 and he earn rm300k over..
but that is not one night effort...
it's few months...

i have a few trick for u guys who want to gamble up there..
i am not sure if u believe it anot...but i do...and that's how it work for me..
1.) always bring sweet up. mentos,halls, anything will do,as long as sweet..
  reason : after the guard hse at genting highland(at the hill)..
      there's so many ghost there...and they will enter ur pocket and take all ur money,eat ur money,and if you have sweet,they will eat the sweet...and when they are full,they happy,will give u luck...
[ i've experience this b4...there's once i didn't bring sweet..and after the guard hse..i felt extremely headache..it's a sign that i will get bad luck...and in the casino..i lost rm500..then i stop.]..

2.) never wear red shirt into the casino.. to most chinese,red means luck..
but in genting,red means blood...very bad luck..opposite side of luck..
it's better if u wear white or black or dark..cos u are respecting the ghost up there..

all this is what i heard from all the senior gambler...so,i follow them...learn from the expert..but still improving myself..
still this is all depend on luck...

3.) there's one way to win everything
but u have to bring alot of money.
MINIMUM must be rm640..still up to individual..
never place on a bet which equal to 1 profit...cos not worth ur gamble..
place on those x4 or x7 or x16...which is high profit..
first bet, rm5(only afternoon u can get rm5 at monte carlo-first right turning from casino de genting),then if u lose, double,rm10,if lose double again,rm20...that's how i gamble..
some may say i am stupid...lose still double..but see this..

        capital  : rm10...if lose
add : capital  : rm20....total rm30 capital...if lose again...
add : capital  : rm40...total capital is rm70...if win...(say profit is x4)
u earn rm280..
deduct your capital which is rm70,u earn rm210..

see how i earn?

ah,another thing....usually,first timer enter casino,will earn alot..
but if u go in second time,it's depend on luck and some may even lose..
cos first time u enter,the ghost welcome you...(i know maybe u guys might think this is stupid,crap..but still what some people believe..)

(if still want to know more about gambling can pm me...cos lazy to type so much)...
actually i learn all this from my sifu...the one earn rm300k...
and he go genting every month..cos u kenot go very often...bad luck...once u get luck,let it settle down..then go up after 2weeks or so..
cos u heard of air pasang air surut?
today u lucky,2mrw not lucky...
so, let the luck cool down..=)

btw,this is only for those who are really into gambling..
etc myself..dun learn it if you don't prepare to lose.
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interested in yr method can u elaborate more? tq
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Sorry.... very hard for me to explain my method here...but all I can say is that I use the " law of third ". Law of Third means that out of every 36 roulette spins, there will be only 24 number coming out and 8 numbers will be repeat numbers. I only use flat betting and no progression. I also dare not playing big because I don't want the casino to mark me. You know the casino will start to mark you if you win consistently. Winning consistently means you have already found a way to beat the casino and this is the last thing that the casino wants. My advice is if you're really interested to gamble inteligently or becoming professional gambler...you better start reading gambling books and follow their advice seriously.


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Best game to win in casino is baccarat.
learn the tides and you can actually predict when the banker/player is coming.
use your knowledge of probability.
Set a small target that you would want to win eg 200, and set the target of how much u can lose for that day.

take out $100, study the probability when see high chance bet 100 on the banker/player.
If you win, put back the $100 into your pocket. and use the $100 you win to bet.
If win again, close shop and do not continue or be greedy.

if you feel you're unlucky that day.
Then dont bet but follow those who always win.

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even card counters can lose in blackjack games, there is no sure win in casino, except u hav unlimited capital to do the 1-2-4-8-16-32 bet...
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Tactics to win blackjack (see website below)
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s248/an...ctBlackjack.jpg

The Martingale System
This system is based on the theory of losing infinite times at a stretch and is applied to 'even money' bets. If you win one bet, you start again; if you lose a bet, you double your bet. Each time you lose, you double your bet. Eventually you are expected to win and when you do, you recover money from all the lost bets plus one. However, this system is quite risky, requires a large bankroll and has a low return.


The Paroli System
The Paroli System is the opposite of the Martingale system and is based on positive progression. Hence, here you increase the bet when you win, rather than when you lose. However, depending on the game or your odds, you must decide on a limit till which you will let the bet build before taking it down to the initial starting bet. Another procedure to decide on is the amount to raise the bet after each win. This system does not require a large bankroll; you can increase your profits and minimize losses with this system.

The Labouchere System
This system is also called the Cancellation system and is also based on negative progression similar to the Martingale system. Here, you make up a series of numbers, sequential or non-sequential. You always add the first and last numbers and use that number of units to bet, and continue to do this till you lose. When you lose, you add the losing number to the end of the series and start betting again. When the series is completed, you always make a profit.

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QUOTE(yewkhuay @ Jul 29 2007, 04:10 PM)
worked in casino b4...
even card counters can lose in blackjack games, there is no sure win in casino, except u hav unlimited capital to do the 1-2-4-8-16-32 bet...
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Eh, if you work in genting, can explain why I have never ever ever seen anyone do the 'double down' thing in all my 30 minutes watching some ppl play? No one else do then they paiseh to do it or what?
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share yr experience in gambling and technics
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Tactics to win blackjack (see website below)
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s248/an...ctBlackjack.jpg

The Martingale System
This system is based on the theory of losing infinite times at a stretch and is applied to 'even money' bets. If you win one bet, you start again; if you lose a bet, you double your bet. Each time you lose, you double your bet. Eventually you are expected to win and when you do, you recover money from all the lost bets plus one. However, this system is quite risky, requires a large bankroll and has a low return.

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This system is very risky, and you still lose money in the long run. Example:

suppose 49% chance to win $1 and 51% to lose $1. Doubling your bet will increase the probability of winning, but also increase the penalty when you lose. You may have 90% chance of winning $1, but if you lose (10%), you lose $10. Furthermore, every table has a betting limit. Once you reach it, you lose everything.

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QUOTE(Squidward @ Jul 30 2007, 04:04 PM)
This system is very risky, and you still lose money in the long run. Example:

suppose 49% chance to win $1 and 51% to lose $1. Doubling your bet will increase the probability of winning, but also increase the penalty when you lose. You may have 90% chance of winning $1, but if you lose (10%), you lose $10. Furthermore, every table has a betting limit. Once you reach it, you lose everything.
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Nobody cares about that. The people who are looking to gamble are interested in easy profits fast, motivated by people telling them it's easy or the time they saw a fat old man win ten thousand. The people who have been successful so far, well, you can go for quite some time without hitting that losing streak, and what's been working so far is probably good to continue.
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i get ban at genting casino...
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Answer to all the tou san. Alot of strategy and analysis like bacarat,roulette,caribean stub,3 card poker, blackjack,slot machine,keno etc

goto website below

http://wizardofodds.com/

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QUOTE(ankw @ Jul 30 2007, 04:28 PM)
Answer to all the gamblers. Alot of strategy and analysis like bacarat,roulette,caribean stub,3 card poker, blackjack,slot machine,keno etc

goto website below

http://wizardofodds.com/
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There is no winning strategy lah. Anyone wants to sell me a 'strategy and analysis' in roulette, I'd kick him in the balls. For calculations I'd only trust big names like Sklansky.

EDIT: The site seems solid, and one thing you will notice is that he explains straight up that most or all of the games have a negative expectation laugh.gif

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QUOTE(ankw @ Jul 30 2007, 04:28 PM)
Answer to all the tou san. Alot of strategy and analysis like bacarat,roulette,caribean stub,3 card poker, blackjack,slot machine,keno etc

goto website below

http://wizardofodds.com/
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go genting lose money 1 time, nvrmind, dun give up.
pinjam money from ppl and go play somemore. just keep practising. one day u will win. practise makes perfect.
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Uncle Lim Luck is Running Out and Low. Day Play Share market Night Go Genting, 24hr Invest. Stay Positive and Concentration must Focus. Dont give Up so easy. Tip and Guide already provided make go use of it.

May the force be with U
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QUOTE(Slowpoke @ Jul 30 2007, 02:41 PM)
Eh, if you work in genting, can explain why I have never ever ever seen anyone do the 'double down' thing in all my 30 minutes watching some ppl play? No one else do then they paiseh to do it or what?
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u mean double down on getting an ACE card in blackjack game? seldom, but got ppl do tht...
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easy.... (for banker and player only)
spot whose the one that always lose...when he/she buy 1 side, you buy the other side icon_idea.gif

my friend won many from this simple way icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(funkyboi @ Jul 29 2007, 04:00 PM)
Best game to win in casino is baccarat.
learn the tides and you can actually predict when the banker/player is coming.
use your knowledge of probability.
Set a small target that you would want to win eg 200, and set the target of how much u can lose for that day.

take out $100, study the probability when see high chance bet 100 on the banker/player.
If you win, put back the $100 into your pocket. and use the $100 you win to bet.
If win again, close shop and do not continue or be greedy.

if you feel you're unlucky that day.
Then dont bet but follow those who always win.
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true true...i did that many times...
especially the last pair...cos u can predict...cos normal card is 52...wait la..when they change the deck...then wait till they've taken out 48...then the last one....the last four card..u know what is the card edy=)
but still no guarantee..

QUOTE(ataris @ Jul 30 2007, 02:53 PM)
learn how to please the ghost. its better.
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that is correct also
i did that most of the time...

QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jul 30 2007, 04:21 PM)
i get ban at genting casino...
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what happen,man?
i enter so many times..now trying so hard to get the silver card...need the manager to recommend me.

QUOTE(ankw @ Jul 30 2007, 06:23 PM)
Uncle Lim Luck is Running Out and Low. Day Play Share market Night Go Genting, 24hr Invest. Stay Positive and Concentration must Focus. Dont give Up so easy. Tip and Guide already provided make go use of it.

May the force be with U
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not easy la...

genting is still going up...
their main source is gambling..and if u see the klse(kuala lumpur stock exchange),genting never doom...cos everyone buy genting's share..but for 1 lot of share..most of us can cry..too exp...


i have another way to win in roulette..my friend told me about it....but it takes very long time to win..
cos u will win small portion..and as u play for 40minutes..u are secured...u have rm1k in hand...but dun try that technique very frequent...cos when the security know....they will tend to do some amendment to the table next time...no idea..but possibly.

to win,u need high capital
if i am not mistaken,roulette in the aft is rm5 per bet....so try
place rm5 in all the numbers...left about 4-5numbers out....then play it for like 1hr....trust me,u will earn..
those gambler may say that u are dumb..but u win actually..rather than those who loose=)
cheers....
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QUOTE(virginslayer @ Jul 30 2007, 10:08 PM)
i enter so many times..now trying so hard to get the silver card...need the manager to recommend me.
not easy la...
You can apply for silver card by deposit RM3000 and year Rm10 fees as stated in the application form. (Recommend by manager no need to go thru the hassle of gambling in order to get the attention of the manager for upgrade but after upgrade have to maintain gp points). if use below the mention maintain gp points have to earn back the gp points by gambling again.

Silver card have different grade eg grade a,b,c. with different benefit. eg if u are heavy punters yr silver card have be monitor able to upgrade to gold card with the benefit of gold card benefit.

But remember when u put yr silver outside of VIP room to gain points, the points earn is very little compare to green card (Difficult to maintain/earn points if outside VIP bcos system have been set for that. Very little point will be given). Silver/Gold Card Only good for heavy gamblers bcos they earn more points in VIP Rooms. If u were occasionally a small gamblers maintain yr green card is better and easy to earn points outside the VIP rooms than silver card.

if u are recommend by the manager no need to deposit Rm3k but have to maintain certain gp points in order to maintain the silver card or else will be downgraded.

In order to recommend by manager u have to gamble for 60 hours for a year at least min Rm100 per bet and be monitor by the supervisor (to show that u r gambling not for sake of GP earning points). Does not care of how much u win but on how much u bet per game. (Free Freebies and complimentaries will be given to heavy gamblers only like free show tickets, hotel rooms etc)

Always be actively going to genting to gamble is another criteria in order for yr upgrading of cards.

For gold card u have to gamble min Rm300 per bet for 60 hours per year and have to maintain a certain gp points in order not to be downgraded back.

if u have those card u have to be a heavy punters or else no points bcos the points have time frame and will lapse, u have to be active going to genting to gamble big.

VIP Room min bet per table some are Rm100, RM300, RM500 tables.

the supervisor will monitor yr gambling and yr bet in order to recommend. smile.gif

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last chinese new year, i go with RM150, win RM7k back

what i played-
three kings, ponton & baccarat
(baccarat i won the most, 4k++)

when bet on baccarat, trust your own instinct,
its very fun to play baccarat, when there is a situation where everyone are betting on the banker because long time no open banker, you can try to be hero & bet on player alone, if player wins, you will look very "yeng", but if the opposite, you will look like a fool, haha

dont play roulette, the probability are too high

always have an attitude you are gambling for fun, not to get rich, because if you keep thinking of want to get rich, most properly you will make the wrong move because when humans are greedy, they will do something that is not wise

when you are on a losing streak, walk away, take a drink (that is free of course) then come back later, dont keep siting there & hope to win back your capital, if you keep siting there, mostly you will keep losing

treat gambling as an entertainment, dun ever get too addicted and beware loan sharks are everywhere

good luck!

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Did anyone win big b4 in genting? do share yr experience.
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i did ...shared edy...but i play safe.=)
kk....yes..i know there's benefit for gold card..
my uncle used to have gold card...then after he open his own 4D shop...he stop going to genting.=)
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QUOTE(virginslayer @ Jul 31 2007, 07:38 PM)
i did ...shared edy...but i play safe.=)
kk....yes..i know there's benefit for gold card..
my uncle used to have gold card...then after he open his own 4D shop...he stop going to genting.=)
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Ya 4D shop sure untung one,economy good people buy,economy no good people also buy.

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yala...forever untung..no need sked no money.
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anybody going to genting lately to gamble or vacation? smile.gif
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pakat with the roulette banker, sure untung
i saw 1 uncle 3 round won RM40k, after few days saw him again, and the banker also same sweat.gif
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wanna go this sat nite for gambling
and world championship lion dance

but too bad no one want to follow me for the show [sad.gif]
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Aug 1 2007, 03:39 PM)
pakat with the roulette banker, sure untung
i saw 1 uncle 3 round won RM40k, after few days saw him again, and the banker also same sweat.gif
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wow thats alot
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QUOTE(PrinceHamsap @ Aug 1 2007, 04:43 PM)
wanna go this sat nite for gambling
and world championship lion dance

but too bad no one want to follow me for the show [sad.gif]
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How to get free ticket for world championship lion dance.

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share market down better go genting gamble :0
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there is some that will give u the chances of 80.5% winning i guess through roulette


Added on August 11, 2007, 3:59 pmIts called the "dopey experiment". The idea is to divide one's roulette session bankroll into 35 units. This unit is bet on a particular number for 35 consecutive spins. Thus, if the number hits in that time, the gambler wins back the original bankroll and can play subsequent spins with house money. However, there is only a (1 − (37 / 38)35) * 100% = 60.68% probability of winning within 35 spins (assuming a double zero wheel with 38 pockets).

2nd.
Betting only on red
One conceivable strategy would be to bet on the ball landing in a red space for a certain number of spins, for example, 38.

There are 18 red spaces on a roulette table with 38 total spaces. Dividing 18 by 38 yields a probability of landing on red of 47.37%. This probability can be used in a binomial distribution and made into an approximate standard normal distribution.

Doing so indicates that, if one were to spin the wheel 38 times, there is a 99% probability that the ball would land on red at least 10 times. There is an 83% probability that in 38 spins, the ball will land on red at least 15 times. Out of 38 spins, there's a 50% chance that 18 will be red.

However, the break-even point is 19 spins, since the bet on red is 1:1, and the probability of 19 red spins in 38 is only 37%. This indicates the difficulty of winning by only betting on red.

The results occur because, as indicated by the 18 divided by 38 equals 47.37% figure, the ball will land on red less than half the time. This percentage applied in the binomial and standard normal distributions creates the vast divide in probability from 18 red spins to 19 red spins out of 38 spins. It is very unlikely for anyone to spin much more than 18 red spins out of 38 spins.

Using the dozen bet
There are two versions to this system, single dozen bets and double dozen bets. In the single dozen bet version, the player uses a progressively incrementing stake list starting from the casino table minimum, to the table maximum. The aim here is to use a single dozen bet to win before the stake list ends. Many techniques are employed such as: betting on the same dozen to appear after two consecutive appearances, betting on the dozen that has appeared most in the last 15, 9, or 5 spins, betting on the dozen that, after a long absence of 7 or more spins, appears for the first time. The double dozen bet version uses two dozen bets and half the stake list size of the single dozen bet version.

1st and 3rd column strategy
One bet of 2 pieces on the 1st column and one bet of 2 pieces on the 3rd column covers most of the red numbers on the table. One bet of 2 pieces on the black will provide insurance for occurrence of black. This betting system covers all numbers except for the 4 red numbers in the middle column and the zero. If the result is a red number in either the 1st or 3rd column, the player only breaks even. If the result is red in the middle column the player loses 6 pieces. If the result is black and in the middle column, the player loses 2 pieces. If the result is a black in the 1st or 3rd column, the player wins 6 pieces


A fmous qoute "Albert Einstein is reputed to have stated, "You cannot beat a roulette table unless you steal money from it."

DONT BET!!

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37 numbers u covered 30 numbers do the calculation!

P.S: if the number lands on the WTF area u'll need 5 winning rounds to cover back ur losses
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if wan go gamblign leh...
muz find a person who can control ur feeling go with u...
example like ur relationship partner...

alwayz remember...betting no sure win...
its luck and good luck...
i remember once my bro told me a story...

my bro`s friend whose name is A...
A won about rm200k in normal table...A was playing blackjack...
the banker suggest him to go to VIP room..
which he did accepted...
A claimed that the service is damn good..like rich man .... ppl serve u good drinks and foods...
and within 10minutes...he lost rm150k....
he wants to win bak.... and he loses another 20k....which is total loss of rm170k...
he took the rm30k and chao from VIP room...

so....he said...dun ever go to VIP room...he nvr win there...
once win, just go off....
dats his advice...


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QUOTE(jason18689 @ Aug 11 2007, 04:59 PM)
if wan go gamblign leh...
muz find a person who can control ur feeling go with u...
example like ur relationship partner...

alwayz remember...betting no sure win...
its luck and good  luck...
i remember once my bro told me a story...

my bro`s friend whose name is A...
A won about rm200k in normal table...A was playing blackjack...
the banker suggest him to go to VIP room..
which he did accepted...
A claimed that the service is damn good..like rich man .... ppl serve u good drinks and foods...
and within 10minutes...he lost rm150k....
he wants to win bak.... and he loses another 20k....which is total loss of rm170k...
he took the rm30k and chao from VIP room...

so....he said...dun ever go to VIP room...he nvr win there...
once win, just go off....
dats his advice...
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A Won Rm200k(able to buy a house) should have go off already, its alot. should come back another day. the casino is always there. Very good able to win that much, must be betting a very high bet each round. But within 10min able to lose Rm150k in vip, must be 30k per bet or even greater and thats alot. Must control.
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update i won 20k by roulette method mentioned above, 4hours there
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there was once a couple which live same taman with me, they gamble at genting,and they earn quite a big amount of money.And they left. back to their own home. But they are not alone. Theres one car following them all the way back to their home.From what i heard they being rob during midnight.

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hmm... 20k in 4 hours
how much do you bet per session?
and how many session you had in 4 hours? hmm.gif

go do the maths and give me the figures


QUOTE(donki85 @ Aug 20 2007, 12:05 AM)
update i won 20k by roulette method mentioned above, 4hours there
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QUOTE(jinkinz @ Aug 20 2007, 12:40 AM)
there was once a couple which live same taman with me, they gamble at genting,and they earn quite a big amount of money.And they left. back to their own home. But they are not alone. Theres one car following them all the way back to their home.From what i heard they being rob during midnight.
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the only one that can follow me back from genting is GHOST.

Robber wont be able to get close to my car


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QUOTE(outsider @ Jul 22 2007, 04:02 PM)
dont believe u can try
but risk got capture by the guard or captain  brows.gif  laugh.gif
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truth truth...but i heard from uncle aunty 1...they said genting got toyol= kui kia....then u throw sweet under the table...so they can bless u sweat.gif
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QUOTE(outsider @ Jul 22 2007, 04:02 PM)
dont believe u can try
but risk got capture by the guard or captain  brows.gif  laugh.gif
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truth truth...but i heard from uncle aunty 1...they said genting got toyol= kui kia....then u throw sweet under the table...so they can bless u sweat.gif
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Very interesting, keep it coming make it hot! biggrin.gif
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baccarat the fast and easy progression formula:
wait till 3 times banker comes out in a row then bet on
player with following progression:

1-2-3-4-6-9-13-20-30-45-67

most of the time, i win at level 6 ~ 9 thumbup.gif





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won 200 niah, haih, if i just have more time. . . . . . luckyly i wenf out early, all my friends inside kena -ve come out. haha....

Sugar sweet stuff in da pocket is a must lor.

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There are hundreds or maybe thousands of ppl in the casino at any time...and someone somewhere are bound to drop some cash chips on the floor. This is what a friend of mine will do when he goes to the casino...searching at the floor looking for cash chips. But if he finds a colour chips, he usually return it to the casino personnel. Not always...but many times my friend will find some cash chips laying on the floor. tongue.gif


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grab the chips on the table like ur the banker "Sapu Semua" and run , run very very fast
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QUOTE(mlpk @ Jul 22 2007, 12:10 PM)
Anyone Go Genting And Gamble and Always Win Smart?

or anyone everyday go genting whose job as a gambler and win smart daily to survive?

or anyone take Rm100-RM50k to gamble big in genting? what's yr opinion? win big or wait for opportunity when the time is right daily?

Have u seen people gambling Rm20k per bet and win big in the VIP section it is very exciting watching them play big.

Seen B4 RM1k chip, RM5k chip, RM10kchip, RM100k chip.

Did u encounter people who always go to genting and win few hundred aday and comes back daily and win few hundred  as a daily routine job?

Each day win rm100 * 30 days = Rm3000 monthly income as a living/income. if u r not greedy.

What is yr experience like?. any recommendations/suggestion?

How much would u take to genting to gamble the maximum amt of money? 1k,5k,10k,15k,20k etc
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I dun play in Genting, my turf is in Macau.
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i am a full timer, my bankroll is RM1,000 per visit and win RM300 ~ RM400 per day on roulette table,
i know many gambler will swear that there is no way you can win in genting constantly,
i have to agree,because of the probability of you getting screwed on your first few bets and the genting advantage of winning
after a long run is a fact many people dont want to accept sad.gif
then you go on fighting the hell to get back the capital, only to loose more again. reality bites liao!

but that is very unlikely to happen if you dont cincai bet and simple guess and put all your bets based on your luck or
charm or lucky number or simply bet on opposite from the others expecting to win by being different.
believe me there is no such thing as luck in casino, it's all in logic and probabilities.

if you play this cincai way, then your bankroll is always go up and come down, eq. u think u're very lucky this round and lose it all back
on your next round or next table or on your next trip up there. this all happens most of the time (70%) for those who play base on lucky charm
and feeding sweets to ghost charming system, and those who plays for fun, like going to a fun-fair,
just to donate a little fun money to uncle lim.

my system is not based on the sure die progression such as 2-4-8-16-32 whatsoever.

I only make straight bets on inside numbers, almost betting all the numbers infact 30 out of 36 numbers,
at first so many other players there laugh and say i am a crazy guy. telling me i am risking so much money to
win little money, they asked me to follow their style of betting on a few numbers or repeating numbers or simply bet on the
opposite of the roulette wheel, but i know that the roulette is round and the roulette wheel has got no memory of the last spin
so means if the last number was 1 then the number 1 might repeat again on the next spin, or worst
you can almost have up to 3 time '0' in a row, shit happens and i have seen it!!!

but what they dont know is that i am a very calculative gambler (is my method called gambling? tongue.gif )
and i was already there before them observing the roulette table for the pass
1 hour (thats about almost 38 ~ 39 spins) waiting for the right numbers to come up then it's time to hit your bet straight away,
sorry the casino stands no chance to beat the odds, their time is up and its all yours now!
once you hit your target, you must ciao from the table and move or go to a nice restaurant have a proper makan or relax and then go back lar, all done in
3 ~ 5 hours.

anyway, on the positive side, we have so much advantage on roulette in
genting because genting casino is based on Macau system which uses single '0'.
so the house(casino) advantage is less in genting smile.gif meaning you can continue betting a little longer in genting but not forever to make or recover your money
back!



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QUOTE(shahjees @ Aug 30 2007, 07:12 AM)
bla bla bla...

I only make straight bets on inside numbers, almost betting all the numbers infact 30 out of 36 numbers,
at first so many other players there laugh and say i am a crazy guy. telling me i am risking so much money to
win little money, they asked me to follow their style of betting on a few numbers or repeating numbers or simply bet on the
opposite of the roulette wheel, but i know that the roulette is round and the roulette wheel has got no memory of the last spin
so means if the last number was 1 then the number 1 might repeat again on the next spin, or worst
you can almost have up to 3 time '0' in a row, shit happens and i have seen it!!!

but what they dont know is that i am a very calculative gambler (is my method called gambling? tongue.gif )
and i was already there before them observing the roulette table for the pass
1 hour (thats about almost 38 ~ 39 spins) waiting for the right numbers to come up then it's time to hit your bet straight away,
sorry the casino stands no chance to beat the odds, their time is up and its all yours now!
once you hit your target, you must ciao from the table and move or go to a nice restaurant have a proper makan or relax and then go back lar, all done in
3 ~ 5 hours.

bla bla blah
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Why do you observe the game when you've just said that there is no memory to the last spin?
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so that will increase your odds at winning,
what are the chances of the last number to re-appear on a roulette table?
just 1% or 0.01, means you'll have time to hit and run before the number comes back.






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QUOTE(shahjees @ Aug 30 2007, 09:53 AM)
so that will increase your odds at winning,
what are the chances of the last number to re-appear on a roulette table?
just  1% or 0.01, means you'll have time to hit and run before the number comes back.
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Wow! You are so smart.
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If I'm not mistaken...Macau has double zero roulette while Genting use only single zero roulette.


http://www.gambling-systems.com/single-zero.html


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Hmmm just came back from genting and lost 1.3k. There are few advice to out there.

Always gamble within your expenses..if u cannot afford it...don't gamble!! Don't lose liow smart smart go use credit card withdraw. If u bring 1.5k to go genting...lose liow must know how to control your feeling and tell yourself that...the hill is always up there. Will collect it next time...never go and withdraw from credit card.

In gamble i do not believe in tactics. Uncle Lim gamble more then u eat rice. He calculate more then u do. So don't try to beat the odds. U will never win him. Roullete also got one number 0 lar. Bacarate If 6, also pay half.

Gamble like everyone say is base on Luck. Go Genting take out 500 bucks...try your luck. If u starting tat time winning...meaning is a good sign. U are in lucky day. If u bring 500 bucks and start losing straight, not even one number. I suggest u go and makan first...take a walk. Relax for awhile...

Coz if u start losing...you starting to heat up...when u heat up...your emotion take control of you. Not your brain. U will normally thinking trying to win back...simply tembak liwo tat time. That is when ppl lose money.

The most terror ppl in gamble is to able to control its on emotion. If u can do it..u will be success in life too...

Oh yeah one more thing...don't get jealous on why ppl bet so BIG. U also want to follow tat kind of attitude. Some ppl earn more gamble bigger. Does not mean u can bet big. Always bet within your budget. Don't over shoot.


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so there you go, written proof that without tactics you can easily loose RM1.3k,
tell us more on how ans what you played how is your money management, what was your target amount to win?
and what went wrong with your 'luck'!


QUOTE(yipwh @ Aug 30 2007, 10:39 PM)
In gamble i do not believe in tactics. Uncle Lim gamble more then u eat rice. He calculate more then u do. So don't try to beat the odds. U will never win him. Roullete also got one number 0 lar. Bacarate If 6, also pay half.

Gamble like everyone say is base on Luck. Go Genting take out 500 bucks...try your luck. If u starting tat time winning...meaning is a good sign. U are in lucky day. If u bring 500 bucks and start losing straight, not even one number. I suggest u go and makan first...take a walk. Relax for awhile...
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First of all Uncle Lim is very rich and Rm10k, Rm1k ,Rm100 to him is peanuts only. eg like when playing with small kids with 5 sens or ten cents to you is peanuts. Mentality to u ,is small fly win as much as u can as u play with kids (wasting time right). Thats goes for uncle lim playing with u people out there thats kind of scenerio.

First of all uncle lim, no need to think which side to buy, u people think hard and fight among yrself. plenty of money on hand for u to win if u can. SOme more uncle lim have plenty of staff to work for him day and night.

always dont be greedy whether u win big or small. dont preasure yrself or will never win if u do.
take yr time. dont be scare to win or be scare when u gamble. think positively. if 50 50 dont gamble. play smart. enjoy the game.

if people want to win big and base on luck, go for the caribean stud jackpot or those big jackpot, whereby if u strike u win big. if yr luck is no good. use their luck.

if u going for those base 1 on 1 basis, u will never win big compare to those big jackpot. just a few hundred or thousand compare to few hundred thousand or millions jackpot.

But in the end u will give back to them bcos wining so little is not enough with the kind of mentality want more. if u win big u will not come back at all right.
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its true on what u say jack2008 smile.gif WIN KAU KAU One time is enough or else u will come back again.

Just like buying magnum,toto,kuda, let say if u buy small RM1, u kena 1st-3rd prizes also u will come back to buy again and lost back bcos so little money win right.

what if u buy big and kena big (kau kau) , people will not return to gamble.

how many time will magnum/toto/kuda open the same/different number and let u strike 1st price or come out 1st 3 price, if only u buy small and let u kena also no use.

How many different number u have to strike or always open the same number to strike, the chances is very low.

Buy big and strike big one time is enough right (on special occasion like dream no, wedding car etc). dont always buys in the end will lost all back.

Let u win 1k, u want 2k, and it continues and then want more..

any form of gambling is the same
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QUOTE(yipwh @ Aug 30 2007, 10:39 PM)
Hmmm just came back from genting and lost 1.3k. There are few advice to out there.
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mind if u can share with us, what have when wrong that u lost 1.3k?
is casino crowded with people when u when there?

Majority of the people play along with u, Win ir Lost in the table u play? smile.gif
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why throw the sweets under the table that we gamle we can win easily??? kepercayaan tahayul?
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just go to the table you wanna play at, shout TOYOL! TOYOL! TOYOL! then read this fast "biba biba biba biba biba biba biba" exactly 7times. the last time i did this, i won a real toyol of my own.. its quietly sitting beside me now.
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QUOTE(Slowpoke @ Jul 25 2007, 08:54 PM)
6 ways to triple out of 6x6x6 combinations, so it's 1/36 chance lo. Form 4 maths, did you take it, mofo.
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Hey, dude since it is form 4 maths.....
do it correctly 6X6X6=216 and it is not 36.... this is standard 3 maths..........
so the chance will be 1/216.......
DUH......................
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everyone have their weakness, just find uncle lim weakness and counter attack on his weakness for sure will win smile.gif

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QUOTE(ankw @ Sep 2 2007, 01:51 PM)
everyone have their weakness, just find uncle lim weakness and counter attack on his weakness for sure will win smile.gif
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I know his weakness.

Kick his nuts. That'll have him writhing in pain on the floor.
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weakness Reverse takeover of genting/resort and reshuffle the management and biggest history/management change for uncle Lim smile.gif
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How i lose 1.2k ah?? hmmm well in genting, the worse scenario is that...you never able to hold its money at all. I lose 1.2k is because i never have a chance to win the money at all. Once sit down at the table kena pawn kau kau till end. Tat is totally bad luck. Normally my limit is Rm500 only...but i still human mah...was thinking hmm maybe give another Rm500 a try. Coz was waiting for my wife to finish the game. Was idle for 1 hour donno wat to do...take out 500 again...

Kena PAWN AGAIN!

Well proven...no luck means no luck no matter how i play also...the roulete number tat i put won't come out. Normally in roullete, i will put on RM 10 table. each around i put pepper around RM150 to RM250. some number which i like...i put more. Depending on the trend sector. Normally if the dealer like to hit Zero Sector...that is the best. brows.gif

Like All Gambling, there is no proven tactics. I have heard the best tactic...which proven to be successful temporary. But Casino is always there...u cannot beat them..unleast u quit gamble. Is always today i win some...tomorrow they take some back from me.

One of the method tat i learn from uncle...which start gamble since before i born. Which i find to be...quite ok. but if bad luck...it will follow.

The all time favor game...Bacarrat..

Let say the odd is like that, BPBBPBBPPPPBPBBPPBBBBBB

How do u ensure u can go thru this wave..

The system is like that...

Let say min bet is RM1. My formula will be BBPPBBPPBBPPBBPPBBPP

U must stick to this format...

Let say starting u bet on B, it come out P. you up your bet by RM2. Then Follow By RM4, Rm8,RM16, RM 32, RM 64.
I goes like this...

RM1, RM2, RM4, RM8, RM16, RM32, RM 64, RM128 = Total 8 Rounds of Bet RM 255

Each time u lose, u up your bet according to the sequance.

Once you WIN, u go back to RM1.

It maybe slow....but it works...Unleast u so BAD LUCK, u lose 8 ROUND straight using the BBPPBBPPBBPP method.

U cannot try this in genting...coz they have the 6 system in place...which is pay half if fail on 6.

But i did try on internet betting..like ladbrokes. It work...but i some how lose all in football or i withdraw it out liow. Scare addicted...

Remember here...i don't encourage ppl to bet here. But to understand the concept of gamble. And gamble smart within own limit...

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double up while loosing, i can see why you lose it all, please dont come up with silly known to fail system
i am just worried some of the readers in this forum get burned trying your silly method.


QUOTE(yipwh @ Sep 3 2007, 05:06 PM)
How i lose 1.2k ah?? hmmm well in genting, the worse scenario is that...
The system is like that...

Let say min bet is RM1. My formula will be BBPPBBPPBBPPBBPPBBPP

U must stick to this format...

Let say starting u bet on B, it come out P. you up your bet by RM2. Then Follow By RM4, Rm8,RM16, RM 32, RM 64.
I goes like this...

RM1, RM2, RM4, RM8, RM16, RM32, RM 64, RM128 = Total 8 Rounds of Bet RM 255

Each time u lose, u up your bet according to the sequance.

Once you WIN, u go back to RM1.

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You can plan and use any strategy but the ONLY ONE THING to master in gambling is

SELF CONTROL

If you can do that , you dont have to work the rest of your life !!!
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Self Control and relax with no pressure, take yr time bcos there is an angel and a devil inside everyone mind that is playing tricks on and as well as ears listening to people gossiping this and that will influence yr mind so becareful and evil spirit.. so yr mind have to be clear and predictions and execution have to sharp and tactful in order to win.



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its true. be wise
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for those want to test their system before playing with real money, i would recommend
to download and test Roulette Extreme 2, its a excellent simulator software.
you can download it here http://www.uxsoftware.com/pages/download.html


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post Sep 26 2007, 05:18 PM

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Alot of people in genting casino even during weekdays and weekends. alot of gamblers and punters gambling Rm100k - Rm200k. Alot of people winning alot of money Rm30k ++ with each bet of Rm2k -RM3k very fast up.
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yep saw people gambling 2-3k per bet and very fast rich Rm20k++ and even saw gamblers putting 8k-10k per bet and win 100k ++. eg each deck/round for bacarat game have 60 round++ and if each person able to guess 30 round it is very good and dont gamble each round unless u r very sure it will come out or else u will lost bcos each deck /show have 60++ round to bet.
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We often heard ppl winning lots of money.
But who in the world would have face to say he lost lots of money?
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We often heard ppl winning lots of money.
But who in the world would have face to say he lost lots of money?
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read the thread and youll find some. rclxms.gif
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We often heard ppl winning lots of money.
But who in the world would have face to say he lost lots of money?
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Cos talk about wining those money is the fun part fren. let me share u my story. i was 19 this year n i when casino with my whole family cos is CNY mah all wannna play so we go genting just to try out some luck. i was so scare to kena cought by the police bcos i look like a kid. but don know why when ever i go in they could not catch me. Damm lucky guy right hahha. so i when with my aunt that time she like very "GAN JONG" wanna win all uncle lim money so he gave me RM25 n told me to have fun, a 19 year old boy don know wht is going on so i walk around n looking for cun gals lol. when looking around i found 1 table which playing baccaret is like very fun n i heard from my unlce, he told me baccaret is for chinese cos chinese scare to lose thier money so without knowing wht happen i just put my money on the table n kena scold by those ppl cos they say this table is for RM50 and above i like opssss, scared kena cought some 1 took my chip n put it on top of his without thinking much the bet began n i don know wht is she doing she just giving out few card n i won. from RM 25 to RM 50. IN MY MIND I ONLY GOT THIS WORD HEY THIS IS NOT MY MONEY LOSE ADI NO WORRIES so don know why my luck geting better n better from RM50 Become RM100 since is not my money i bet even bigger RM 100 to RM200 at the end guess wht i got RM1800 just like that bcos this is my 1st time so i just end the game n when back kl to buy a necklace for my dear hehehe real diamond for her hahahhaa. BUT GUYS GAMBLING IS BAD PLS STOP WHEN U LOSE OK! just some advice cos i have stop my dad for doing so nearly finish up his SAVING ACC money just for gamble.
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QUOTE(ankw @ Sep 3 2007, 09:32 PM)
Self Control and relax with no pressure, take yr time bcos there is an angel and a devil inside everyone mind that is playing tricks on and as well as ears listening to people gossiping this and that will influence yr mind so becareful and evil spirit.. so yr mind have to be clear and predictions and execution have to sharp and tactful in order to win.
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yes i agree with u, guy u need 2 have self control if not u end up losing n losing. but wht i know ppl losing n u ask them stop they will scold u back like my dad, so try 2 kick them out from the chair from losing more money.
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damn bored on weekend
i am going up tonite !!
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ME TOO LETS MEET UP THERE
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Always find people who is losing dared to put in more money to gamble in order to get back their money lost earlier but always the opposite when winning money, they will rather put a little to gamble instead why. bcos scare to win genting money like that how to win big. it will lose more than winning in the long run even when form is here also dont dare to fight.

Lots of people dare to fight for it but when winning only put little money to gamble and this were every people mentality and thinking. Of course genting in the long run will win. Got form also dont dare to go for it. Scare to win or scare to lost .... Question their is a devil and angel inside everybody mind, it is them who control the thinking and action and is not genting. it is up to individual to put yr bet to win or to lose and is not control by genting. We all do the thinking and action and genting just pays the outcome thats it.

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Keep it up guys. there is a new poker game competition in Oct at genting. World series of Pokers champion is arrival to compete.
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play big small, observe who is the person that keep on losing then bet on the directly opposite of what he/she bet.
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lol....
I WAS LAUGHING ALL THE WHILE WHEN I WAS READING THESE POSTS... So I skip from 3rd page until here...
Eventually you all don't know which game can win big amount of money.
The answer is roulette. Only by playing roulette you can win big money. seriously. But of course, you will have to know the smart way to bet since there are 37 numbers there.
FYI, I'm not yet 21 but I have seen people winning big on roulette table(real PRO) and losing on roulette table(simply bet) with my own eyes.


Added on October 5, 2007, 4:12 pmAbout... Tai sai(aka big small), Mini Dice, French Bowl etc...
They are just fun game for you people to have fun... and for uncle lim to gain more money

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Any tips on "big small" ?? the dice game?
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got one way.. but win VERY little... increase your bet 2 folds everytime you lose. If you win, start over again from 1
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Any tips on "big small" ?? the dice game?
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got a pattern to predict nod.gif
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PLEASE...DON'T HAVE...
PLEASE.. Don't ever ever think that you can predict the pattern. I've seen people losing from the beginning to the end
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you cannot make money on roulette, please understand the "house edge" is constant on every spin.
Now, from the 1st bet - no matter where the bet is placed the house edge is in effect. Meaning you will loose
the longer you play, you can make a small hit money playing 'jump in and jump out' and if you forget to jump out then be ready
to be eaten alive!

That's why you don't see or hear "Professional Roulette Tournament or Pro Roulette Players in the world,
because professional gamblers knows that Roulette sucks and they rather play games with
lowest and minimum "house edge" now go and figure that out.

If you think gambling is pure luck then why bother with following patterns and thinking of strategies,
if you think it's pure luck the just go in and place your bet anywhere you like,
nevermind if win or lose, just put the blame on your luck....



QUOTE(jiaxun @ Oct 5 2007, 04:10 PM)
lol....
I WAS LAUGHING ALL THE WHILE WHEN I WAS READING THESE POSTS... So I skip from 3rd page until here...
Eventually you all don't know which game can win big amount of money.
The answer is roulette. Only by playing roulette you can win big money. seriously. But of course, you will have to know the smart way to bet since there are 37 numbers there.
FYI, I'm not yet 21 but I have seen people winning big on roulette table(real PRO) and losing on roulette table(simply bet) with my own eyes.


Added on October 5, 2007, 4:12 pmAbout... Tai sai(aka big small), Mini Dice, French Bowl etc...
They are just fun game for you people to have fun... and for uncle lim to gain more money
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QUOTE(shahjees @ Oct 6 2007, 03:21 AM)
you cannot make money on roulette, please understand the "house edge" is constant on every spin.
Now, from the 1st bet - no matter where the bet is placed the house edge is in effect. Meaning you will loose
the longer you play, you can make a small hit money playing 'jump in and jump out' and if you forget to jump out then be ready
to be eaten alive!

That's why you don't see or hear "Professional Roulette Tournament or Pro Roulette Players in the world,
because professional gamblers knows that Roulette sucks and they rather play games with
lowest and minimum "house edge" now go and figure that out.

If you think gambling is pure luck then why bother with following patterns and thinking of strategies,
if you think it's pure luck the just go in and place your bet anywhere you like,
nevermind if win or lose, just put the blame on your luck....
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haih...
You don't seems to believe me.. I understand, because you never seen it with your own eyes before. The chances of winning at roulette table is far higher than any other game provided you know how to bet.

And you know why there is no "Professional Roulette Tournament"?
Because, the card game you can't cheat but roulette you can cheat. The outcome of roulette can be based on how the croupier spin the ball. Croupier can control his/her energy when spinning the ball but for card games? They use shuffle machine, so there is no way you can cheat unless you put your own machine there.

Please don't argue with me. If you still want to argue with me, you should become a roulette croupier first.
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out of all the 37 slots, haiyoh, how to pick 1 slot for u maaa.
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You don't seems to believe me.. I understand, because you never seen it with your own eyes before. The chances of winning at roulette table is far higher than any other game provided you know how to bet.

And you know why there is no "Professional Roulette Tournament"?
Because, the card game you can't cheat but roulette you can cheat. The outcome of roulette can be based on how the croupier spin the ball. Croupier can control his/her energy when spinning the ball but for card games? They use shuffle machine, so there is no way you can cheat unless you put your own machine there.

Please don't argue with me. If you still want to argue with me, you should become a roulette croupier first.


yes u r right ab d croupier part...they act can predict around which area it will drop... if ur fren is pro roulette croupier... brows.gif brows.gif

edited: typo

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My mum go there 2~3 times a week and come back with 1k~2k earnings she said. I dunno its true anot since she SAID but i didn't actually see how she plays and wins. Maybe later when she comes back i'll ask her and post her tips here? lol
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i am not going to argue but to laugh at your gambling fellacy,

And first of ALL the croupier is not even your friend, he is paid by the casino to suck your money,
if you think the croupier can hit certain areas, do you think he will work in the casino long for the basic salary?

Nooooo....he might as well get his friends to come into casino and make them very rich,
we are all humans and so when we see 'things' like a certain croupier is spinning the wheel and a
certain number is hitting most of the times, then we will think that the croupier can hit certain areas of the wheel,
but the reality is even a blind man can spin the wheel and you can see several same numbers and sectors will come up
more than expected in short run.

The roulette wheel and the ball falling into the areas are all pure physics, even if you think the croupier can hit certain areas,
than you must use your brain and think first that before the ball can land in the numbered pocket, the ball has to go through all the
obstacles of the soldiers or the diamonds around the wheel which will further scatter the ball all over the place during ball landing and
impact sequence.

And if you still believe the croupier has the magic hands, than let me tell you that to make the ball landing even more random
most of the casinos in the world (including genting) are now using what they call a 'scalloped' pockets wheel' where the number pockets
is constructed like a deep spoon, so that even if the ball drops straight into your preferred number, due to the physics and the depth of the
scalloped pockets, the ball will jump out from the numbered pockets and bounce away to another sector of the
wheel.


QUOTE(jiaxun @ Oct 6 2007, 08:29 AM)
haih...
You don't seems to believe me.. I understand, because you never seen it with your own eyes before. The chances of winning at roulette table is far higher than any other game provided you know how to bet.

And you know why there is no "Professional Roulette Tournament"?
Because, the card game you can't cheat but roulette you can cheat. The outcome of roulette can be based on how the croupier spin the ball. Croupier can control his/her energy when spinning the ball but for card games? They use shuffle machine, so there is no way you can cheat unless you put your own machine there.

Please don't argue with me. If you still want to argue with me, you should become a roulette croupier first.
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QUOTE(ataris @ Oct 6 2007, 12:57 PM)
out of all the 37 slots, haiyoh, how to pick 1 slot for u maaa.
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silly question. go and study probability... duno how to teach you


QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Oct 6 2007, 01:12 PM)
yes u r right ab d croupier part...they act can predict around which area it will drop... if ur fren is pro roulette croupier...  brows.gif  brows.gif

edited: typo
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yes, i have been a croupier in genting before and i have friends as croupier earn more than supervisor or assistant manager. Serious.


QUOTE(shahjees @ Oct 6 2007, 03:25 PM)
i am not going to argue but to laugh at your gambling fellacy,

And first of ALL the croupier is not even your friend, he is paid by the casino to suck your money,
if you think the croupier can hit certain areas, do you think he will work in the casino long for the basic salary?

Nooooo....he might as well get his friends to come into casino and make them very rich,
we are all humans and so when we see 'things' like a certain croupier is spinning the wheel and a
certain number is hitting most of the times, then we will think that the croupier can hit certain areas of the wheel,
but the reality is even a blind man can spin the wheel and you can see several same numbers and sectors will come up
more than expected in short run.

The roulette wheel and the ball falling into the areas are all pure physics, even if you  think the croupier can hit certain areas,
than you must use your brain and think first that before the ball can land in the numbered pocket,  the ball has to go through all the
obstacles of the soldiers or the diamonds around the wheel which will further scatter the ball all over the place during ball landing and
impact sequence.
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haha, dude, you are out dated.. i'm not gonna teach you how to get a croupier to do it for you. but i got friends smile.gif
I tell you, how can you tell whether the croupier or his/her friends or family is rich or not? YOU CAN JUDGE A PERSON FROM HIS/HER LOOK?
you never been as a croupier before you want to laugh at my gambling fellacy?
I THINK YOU'VE NEVER ENTERED A CASINO BEFORE!


Added on October 6, 2007, 3:50 pmjust to add.. practice makes perfect. you are just a kid for me. kiddo

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whatever, wishing you happy punting, one with brains will wonder why so many people in the world losing all their hard earned money
on roulette and you, your family and friend are not being any super rich playing roulette either, genting casino managements must be
damn not doing their work for allowing you and your friends to control the outcome of the roulette.

QUOTE(jiaxun @ Oct 6 2007, 03:48 PM)
bla...bla..bla...you never been as a croupier before you want to laugh at my gambling fellacy?
I THINK YOU'VE NEVER ENTERED A CASINO BEFORE!


Added on October 6, 2007, 3:50 pmjust to add.. practice makes perfect. you are just a kid for me. kiddo
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QUOTE(shahjees @ Oct 6 2007, 04:00 PM)
whatever, wishing you happy punting, am still wondering why so many people in the world still losing all their hard earned money
on roulette and you, your family and friend are not being super rich playing roulette either.
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1st. I worked at there for part time for 2 months only. So I am not that good.
2nd. Once you resigned from genting casino, you can't enter genting casino for the next 2 years.
3rd. You don't know my family members also.
4th. I never say it is everytime also can win money but most of the time win. So there are times that can lose but the generally is win.
5th. From the 4th point, that's why people cannot take gambling as job. Kiddo. Only side income yes(edited)
6th. Maybe the last but not the least. You loser please accept and listen to those who got the experience, those who seen more things than you do.

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whatever, wishing you happy punting, one with brains will wonder why so many people in the world losing all their hard earned money
on roulette and you, your family and friend are not being any super rich playing roulette either, genting casino managements must be
damn not doing their work for allowing you and your friends to control the outcome of the roulette.

QUOTE(jiaxun @ Oct 6 2007, 04:07 PM)
blah..blah...blah.....
6th. Maybe the last but not the least. You loser please accept and listen to those who got the experience, those who seen more things than you do.
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QUOTE(shahjees @ Oct 6 2007, 04:17 PM)
whatever, wishing you happy punting, one with brains will wonder why so many people in the world losing all their hard earned money
on roulette and you, your family and friend are not being any super rich playing roulette either, genting casino managements must be
damn not doing their work for allowing you and your friends to control the outcome of the roulette.
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anyhow, you can choose not to believe.
1. not everyone know the croupier i told you
2. you didn't know my family members how can you know how much they've won?
3. Family members are not allow to play at that croupier's table
4. I'm not yet 21, so I can't go in and bet.
5. Those that lose, sorry for them cause they didn't bet smartly.
6. Genting casino management know it exist. BUT they can't do anything. They only can try to replace the senior croupier with new croupier junior croupier to reduce the lost. WHY? Because if they change all roulette to electronic type, nobody will want to genting to bet because electronic type is real random.(got 2 type here, one is electronic betting with human spin, another one is fully electronic. I'm speaking of fully electronic)
7. Even if win, cannot win much like 100k once but 5k-10k is possible. WHY? because you are not super VIP can't bet too big or else they will check on you.
8. FYI, for buying chip 10k and above, you have to present your ID for verification.
9. If you win too much, of course they wil suspect and they will investigate.
10. Based on 9, croupier also dun wan to lose his/her job just because he wants to get some tips.

Disclaimer:
not all croupiers co-op with gamblers


Added on October 6, 2007, 4:57 pmI didn't do it, but I do have friends who doing it

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QUOTE(jiaxun @ Oct 6 2007, 04:45 PM)
anyhow, you can choose not to believe.
4. I'm not yet 21, so I can't go in and bet.
I have seen so many friends like you doing coffee talks in rsc canteen, got burned thinking they can predict and control the outcome of a
casino game (roulette including), just my concern for you and hope you'll not add to the numbers.

QUOTE(jiaxun @ Oct 6 2007, 04:45 PM)
6. Genting casino management know it exist. BUT they can't do anything.
ohh...well....even if you think you somehow have the magically capabilities to control the wheel right in the nose of Genting casino security surveilance,
hmm... sorry to say but all the roulette wheels in Genting are 99% random, analysed automatically, in real-time by wheel-bias analyzing software purchased from tcsjohnhuxley, the software will alert the casino security far in advance if the balls are not moving and landing
in the number pockets randomly as its supposed to (standard and normal expected ball/wheel deviation are exempted).

I am attaching sample of the security software just in case if you never been to the genting gaming security room to see
what software they use to stop the occurance of non standard random movements of the ball on the wheel!


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hmm.. this is getting interesting.
so with this a croupier can't spin the area he/she wants? still need to be spun by man.


Added on October 6, 2007, 9:27 pmyes they may remove the croupier, but they can't fire him. what is the proof of him cheating? how can you find a proof?

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haiya dont go genting to gambling la...my friends is a machine slot technician there, he told me that anyone cannot win the prize lol laugh.gif not berbaloi with the small winning prize, save your money n make business like other chinese people, example : Uncle Lim Goh Tong
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QUOTE(shahjees @ Oct 6 2007, 05:54 PM)
I have seen so many friends like you doing coffee talks in rsc canteen, got burned thinking they can predict and control the outcome of a
casino game (roulette including), just my concern for you and hope you'll not add to the numbers.
ohh...well....even if you think you somehow have the magically capabilities to control the wheel right in the nose of Genting casino security surveilance,
hmm... sorry to say but all the roulette wheels in Genting are 99% random, analysed automatically, in real-time by wheel-bias analyzing software purchased from tcsjohnhuxley, the software will alert the casino security far in advance if the balls are not moving and landing
in the number pockets randomly as its supposed to (standard and normal expected ball/wheel deviation are exempted).

I am attaching sample of the security software just in case if you never been to the genting gaming security room to see
what software they use to stop the occurance of non standard random movements of the ball on the wheel!
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croupier n its co is not that dumb... if u can think that, they also can think that... u noe something call body language??

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yes they may remove the croupier, but they can't fire him. what is the proof of him cheating? how can you find a proof?

usually when a certain client wins too many times, the management will change d croupier... n d croupier doin this kind of businees if not that many.. wink.gif
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anymore to share? more tips how about bacarat or caribean stud?
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anymore to share? more tips how about bacarat or caribean stud?
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All a crooked croupier can try to do is to try monkeying his itchy hands trying to de-synchronized the wheels RPM speed from his last spin speed to
a new speed and start to clock the ball to spin from a particular location hoping and praying very hard that the ball will land in a particular sector on
the wheel.

can a croupier really control the ball landings? naaah.... the software would detect the abnormality on the wheels speeds,
software alerts and notifies the surveilance team, the table will be forced to close for early maintenance, cctv get reviewed,
the crooked croupier ends up sacked or lands himself in I.P.K Bentong lock-up,
There has been way to many cases to even list it out all here...

The most common ones would be cases of croupiers doing David Blaine vanishing a few chips
into their long sleeve shirts, and the other is paying out extra chips out to their FnFriends.
Croupiers antics are not just captured but superimposed and embossed in onto the casino surveilance camera in 3D video.

so the myth of dealers able to control the wheel....hmmm... as Mythbusters team would have called it ...


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so with this a croupier can't spin the area he/she wants? still need to be spun by man.

Added on October 6, 2007, 9:27 pmyes they may remove the croupier, but they can't fire him. what is the proof of him cheating? how can you find a proof?
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bet on sportsbooks gave bigger room for margin compare to decks, roulettes and what genting has to offer.
Bet smart! Bet on info u know and not betting on luck!
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So far in genting's history, not a single croupier has been busted for "area spinning".
If you still don't believe I also can't do anything but laughing all the time reading your posts. Didn't I say I got friend doing it? If you don't believe means that you are accusing me lying...

Let the other forumer judge about this
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how to bust'em'up when "area spinning" never existed in the first place! tongue.gif

QUOTE(jiaxun @ Oct 7 2007, 02:42 AM)
So far in genting's history, not a single croupier has been busted for "area spinning".
ok..ok....yes your friend can do it, tell us all what exactly he does?

QUOTE(jiaxun @ Oct 7 2007, 02:42 AM)
Didn't I say I got friend doing it?
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8. FYI, for buying chip 10k and above, you have to present your ID for verification.
why buying chip 10k have to present your ID for verification?

what if buy 9k split it to different round of buying chip?

what the purpose for presenting the ID for verification?

tq
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Gamble more, good for you.  tongue.gif
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I'm not gambling, but got family members gambling. They never take it as main occupation, just some side pocket money

QUOTE(jack2008 @ Oct 7 2007, 11:40 AM)
why buying chip 10k have to present your ID for verification?

what if buy 9k split it to different round of buying chip?

what the purpose for presenting the ID for verification?

tq
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Erm. I'm sorry I can't tell you this.
We've been given training to ask for ID if customer's buying is more than 10k. We know what's the reason but we just can't tell you. Sorry
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Erm. I'm sorry I can't tell you this.
We've been given training to ask for ID if customer's buying is more than 10k. We know what's the reason but we just can't tell you. Sorry
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Regarding the genting points, how and what are the criteria/condition sets for accumulating genting points since u have been working/train there?

what other forms of taking $$ to genting that is accepted by genting except cash/credit card. eg let say u would want to take large amt 100k to gamble..

how to upgrade to silver/gold/platinum card?
what other rules/regulation that we dont know can u please tell?
How do u find working in genting?
which games is easy to win/ tips/tricks?

tq

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Regarding the genting points, how and what are the criteria/condition sets for accumulating genting points since u have been working/train there?

what other forms of taking $$ to genting that is accepted by genting except cash/credit card. eg let say u would want to take large amt 100k to gamble..

how to upgrade to silver/gold/platinum card?
what other rules/regulation that we dont know can u please tell?
How do u find working in genting?
which games is easy to win/ tips/tricks?

tq
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Ok, for non-VIP section, there are 2 places: General Gaming Area(GGA such as Starworld, Crystal Palace, Monte Carlo & Hollywood) & Non-GGA(International Room, VIP, Maxims, Elits)
GGA anyone can enter without providing Genting World Card. But to enter IR, you have to provide your Genting World Card(Silver and above or you need at least a Silver Card holder if you have only Green card)
At GGA, the point is given based on the amount of time you spend on the table.
At Non-GGA(IR, VIP, Maxims, Elites), the point is given based on the amount you bet(meaning the more you bet the more points you earn)
The point rate I don't know tho because croupiers are not in charge of giving point. Ask Genting World Card Information Counter for info.

Ok, other than cash/credit card, Genting also accept ATM card. The rest of the method you have to check with infomation counter for croupiers only deal with cash and chips.

To upgrade to silver card, you need recommendation from at least an Assistant Manager.
Gold card, Manager.
Platinum, sorry you can't get it. Only really big boss or those that have business with Genting can get it.

Rules/regulation?... Not sure what kind of rules/regulation. For worker or for customer? What kind of rules??
Do not enter if you are under 21? Do not enter if you are Malaysia Muslims(Yes, only Malaysia Muslims)? No eating in casino?

Find working in genting? You can go for interview at genting every weekend. I got to know it from newspaper. Every month they will have interview all over the country. Alor setar, Penang, Ipoh.. etc. Call this number to check with the time 03-61011118 if you want to know the exact time.

Which games is easy to win?.... I only can tell you roulette has the higher probability provided you know how to calculate probability.

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is that 10k limit is to prevent money laundering?
well i observe the winning rate for roulette is quite high
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by declaring roulette as the best game to play and lay your bets to fellow forumers here only goes to show
how much or rather how low your understandings of probabilities theories, law of everage you have acquired - you're the man!!


Here's the 40,000 actual spin results for playing 'Multiple Inside Number Bets' (the famous GET RICH QUICK SCAM):-
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Here's the 40,000 actual spin results for playing a simple Red Or Black or any EVEN Chances Bets On Roulette:-
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As you can see from the chart, making money on Roulette sucks, and it sucks big time,
By playing even chance bets [Red/Black,Even,Odd, 1-18, 18-36] shows a better outcome, but even that, EVEN CHANCES for you
on Roulette sucks big time because of the 2.70% house advantage.

Roulette is just a fun game to play just like any slot machines,
but if you really want to make serious money then PLEASE avoid playing Roulette,

Better go and play EVEN CHANCE games for eq: Baccarat

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Which games is easy to win?.... I only can tell you roulette has the higher probability provided you know how to calculate probability.
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how to bust'em'up when "area spinning" never existed in the first place!  tongue.gif 
ok..ok....yes your friend can do it, tell us all what exactly he does?
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I'm pretty sure his friend can do it using his chi energy.
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is that 10k limit is to prevent money laundering?
well i observe the winning rate for roulette is quite high
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Erm... Sorry really cannot tell... I might get sued.
Yup, the winning rate for roulette is quite high. The tips is study first before you place bets. What I mean study here is study about the trend of the croupier getting the outcome.

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Yaya, baccarat. Go ahead forumer. Anyone volunteer to try this out??
Btw, Baccarat is not even chance. There is something called house rules. If you can find a game which has EVEN chances, there won't be any casino out there dude.
Just curious, have you ever entered a casino before? Don't sit behind your computer and talk big

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I'm pretty sure his friend can do it using his chi energy.
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not chi energy, is technique. Practice makes perfect right? All they did was just get familiar with the wheel over time when work there.

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Which games is easy to win?....  I only can tell you roulette has the higher probability provided you know how to calculate probability.
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in IR room Based on how much a person bet, points is given but how to genting manage to monitor each person bet when a table is full of people? it also depends on the supervisor giving the point also some very stingy and give very little points right.

may i know what is the salary min & max range for croupier,supervisor,asst manager, manager?

take how many years to get promoted to different post?

what is the requirement for asst manager,manager post?

what is the highest post in genting besides the ceo etc?

what does the manager post do and not often see manager in genting/casino just asst. manager?

regarding roulette pay out, just wondering is there a formula for paying or just manually calculate. when u see alot of chips on the winning portion, how do croupier manage to calculate so fast the amt to pay?

tq

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Any tips on playing others game? like Roulette and Baccarat
i played mostly on Dai Sai, but others not so familiar
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in IR room Based on how much a person bet, points is given but how to genting manage to monitor each person bet when a table is full of people? it also depends on the supervisor giving the point also some very stingy and give very little points right.

may i know what is the salary min & max range for croupier,supervisor,asst manager, manager?

take how many years to get promoted to different post?

what is the requirement for asst manager,manager post?

what is the highest post in genting besides the ceo etc?

what does the manager post do and not often see manager in genting/casino just asst. manager?

regarding roulette pay out, just wondering is there a formula for paying or just manually calculate. when u see alot of chips on the winning portion, how do croupier manage to calculate so fast the amt to pay?

tq
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In IR and above, it is supervisor's job to determine how much is one's betting

Basic
Croupier: RM1315(firm no matter how long you work)
Supervisor: around RM2000(minimum 2 years experience in croupier and you need to know at least 3 main games)
Assistant Manager: around RM5000(5 years if not mistaken)
Manager: Not sure.... (Some people 20 years also cannot reach this post)

Requirement. If you are degree holder in management, you can join genting, first month you will be croupier, 2nd month will be supervisor, 3rd month and above you will be AM.

Regarding the roulette pay out.. It's manually calculate. It's hard to explain but you have to undergo training and pass a small test. Have to use a lot of brain calculation. And you are not allowed to even whisper or use hand.
This is the payment
single bet(1 number) 1:35
split bet(2 numbers) 1:17
square bet(4 numbers) 1:8
line bet(3 numbers) 1:11
street bet(6 numbers) 1:5
column Bet & Dozen Bet(12 numbers) 1:2
Even Bet(Big/small, Red/black, Odd/even) 1:1

For example.. A customer strike 3 chips on single bet, 4 chips on split bet and 4 chips on square bet. Then croupier will mostly use this way
3 x (35 + 17 + 8) = 180 chips
1 x (17 + 8) = 25 chips
Total payment = 205 chips
They will use the amount of chips as payment instead of the amount of money as payment. I don't really know how to explain but you can go for training and you will know.

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Any tips on playing others game? like Roulette and Baccarat
i played mostly on Dai Sai, but others not so familiar
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Never play on tai sai.
There are 3 dice on tai sai, so there are
6x6x6=218
218 outcomes.
With 218 outcomes, 6 of them is "wai sek" aka "tong sat" or sapu all or makan semua or eat all.
so the chances you lose if you betting only on big or small is 6/218 = 1/36
but for roulette, 0 is the only number that is not big not small, not red not black, not odd not even. so the chances of getting 0 is 1/37.

which can conclude that. If you want to bet on big or small only, go for roulette
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QUOTE(shahjees @ Oct 8 2007, 08:47 PM)
i am not at all perturbed by reading baby jiaxun's advice on how to 'Experience Gambling in genting win smart '
because all he can ever come up with,
is this:
and to add insult to injury, he recommends everyone to play the sure doomed 'Martingale Technique'
It's no surprise to see baby jiaxun gets FLAMED in every corner of Lowyat forum,
even Mengsuan has got this to add:
please move on, you are becoming a nuisanse with your antics..  doh.gif
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Well, guess you are one of them in my signature.
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THAT LET FORUMER TO JUDGE?
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did you really read all the posts properly? I didn't offend anyone

mengsuan: We are not offended with your post or whatsoever...........

They don't even know me but they judge me as:
Please note that some forumers posting here may have no basic knowledge......
You won't know if they are just primary school children....

If you don't have anything to say regarding this post, please leave and enjoy your life. But at least there are forumers here that wise enough to believe what I said is true. So, hence they asked me questions.
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Again, I'm asking for the 3rd time
Shahjees, have you ever entered casino before?

I am not sure whether you didn't see my question or you purposely ignore it?
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QUOTE(jiaxun @ Oct 8 2007, 08:49 PM)
Never play on tai sai.
There are 3 dice on tai sai, so there are
6x6x6=218
218 outcomes.
With 218 outcomes, 6 of them is "wai sek" aka "tong sat" or sapu all or makan semua or eat all.
so the chances you lose if you betting only on big or small is 6/218 = 1/36
but for roulette, 0 is the only number that is not big not small, not red not black, not odd not even. so the chances of getting 0 is 1/37.

which can conclude that. If you want to bet on big or small only, go for roulette
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well if i play Dai Sai:
Big and Small is around 49% winning rate
while Roulette, if i cover 2 row of number which will be 24 out of 37
the winning rate will be 65%

based on this calculation hope i'm right, but roulette mostly depends on the banker, some experienced banker will go for 0 or 15, some newbie just simply throw
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QUOTE(jiaxun @ Oct 8 2007, 08:43 PM)
In IR and above, it is supervisor's job to determine how much is one's betting

Basic
Croupier: RM1315(firm no matter how long you work)
Supervisor: around RM2000(minimum 2 years experience in croupier and you need to know at least 3 main games)
Assistant Manager: around RM5000(5 years if not mistaken)
Manager: Not sure.... (Some people 20 years also cannot reach this post)

Requirement. If you are degree holder in management, you can join genting, first month you will be croupier, 2nd month will be supervisor, 3rd month and above you will be AM.

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From what u mention above, the best thing is to have degree and become manager rather than climbing from the bottom right. spend 2-3 years to get a degree and become asst manager with a salary of rm5k.

what if have 2 degree and 1 master can become senior manager?
what is the highest level to climb in genting after manager level?
what post is the highest ranking in genting besides the CEO?
what is the benefits working in genting good bonus//incentives etc?

why does each table game have to change people every half and hour inclusive of supervisor and keep changing to other/different section everyday?
Have u seen any big rollers/gamblers gambling alot of money in genting before?
Did they manage to win/loss most of the time?

what is the maximum amount of money to gamble?
what is the highest max/min limit in genting ?

from yr experience what are the pro and cons of gambling in genting?

tq








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i am not at all perturbed by reading baby jiaxun's advice on how to 'Experience Gambling in genting and win smart '
because all he can ever come up with,
is this:

QUOTE(jiaxun @ Oct 5 2007, 04:10 PM)
lol....
I WAS LAUGHING ALL THE WHILE WHEN I WAS READING THESE POSTS... So I skip from 3rd page until here...
Eventually you all don't know which game can win big amount of money.
The answer is roulette.
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and to add insult to injury, he recommends everyone to play the sure doomed 'Martingale Technique'

QUOTE(jiaxun @ Oct 5 2007, 11:46 PM)
got one way.. but win VERY little... increase your bet 2 folds everytime you lose. If you win, start over again from 1
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It's no surprise to see baby jiaxun gets FLAMED in every corner of Lowyat forum,
even Mengsuan has got this to add:

QUOTE(mengsuan @ Oct 7 2007, 06:41 PM)
We are not offended with your post or whatsoever...........
Please note that some forumers posting here may have no basic knowledge......
You won't know if they are just primary school children....
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please move on, you are becoming a nuisance with your antics.. doh.gif
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About the calculation you are right.
experienced croupier can do area spinning but good thing is the roulette wheel's number is randomly assigned, so no matter 0 side or 5 side also got big number and small number


Added on October 8, 2007, 9:43 pmHAHAHAHA, We can now see who's the loser here hiding behind the computer and talk big...

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some good readout about gambling fellacy from Australian and European professional gambling sites:

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THE PERFECT LOSER: a list of things he does to learn from.
Between some spanish PRO's there is the thinking that the mentality of the winners can be "seen"
by using the figure of its oposite: the perfect loser (PL).

This is a fictional character which is bound to fail in gambling with its current attitude.

I am compiling a list of 100 things the Perfect Loser does.
This will help me in my learning and I want to share a little bit of the process, since it can benefit plenty of others.

Here I will add to my list, you can add whatever you think too. The goal is to make 100 things the perfect loser does.

The most obvious "clasic" ones:
- The perfect loser (PL) stays in the game till the last chip is lost.
- The perfect loser (PL) doesn't know when to stop when he's winning, so he does the previous point.
- Whe he loses, the perfect loser (PL) gambles more and more and more, looking to a quick recoup.
- Once the perfect loser (PL) recoups, he goes back to the first point.
- The perfect loser (PL) needs the adrenaline rush of big bets.
- The perfect loser (PL) looks for the "Big win". He can't take small wins, it is "all or nothing".
- The perfect loser (PL) uses negative progressions.
- The perfect loser (PL) thinks no matter if he loses today, he is "investing" in learning, since once he finds "THE SYSTEM" he will make everything back and more to justify.
- The perfect loser (PL) blames the dealer that he is playing against him, that he can somehow control the ball (I have learned and this from dealers who have been dealers for 30 years and more and have worked across europe that it is Impossible to hit a sector where you want to..... Even if you have been spinning the wheel for 30 years!!!
- The perfect loser (PL) is a risk taker, but takes the wrong risk at the wrong times (i.e. rising the bets martingale style at a losing tram).
- A type perfect loser (PL) is convinced gambling is 100% luck, no strategy involved at all (so why care about bet selection?).
- If the perfect loser (PL) takes a system, he uses the "easy ride" ones (martingale anyone).
- The perfect loser (PL) doesn't educate himself enough about the system he uses (You need to know your system inside out before placing the first real money chip on it).
- The perfect loser (PL) at the last moments of the session plays tired, bored. At a time he just wants to "stop the torture" of not winning but still have chips and since he can't go away till the last chip is in game, he even tries to lose on purpose (unconsciously).
-The perfect loser (PL) doesn't separates his game from his emotions, so winning makes him feel on top of the world, while losing makes him feel miserable (take notice guys, always "sober" no adrenaline rush on wins, no mid-session depressions when losing).
- The perfect loser (PL) doesn't know WHY HE'S PLAYING.
- The perfect loser (PL) mostly plays to have distraction, not to win (pretty amazing, right? Check out people at the table).
- The perfect loser (PL) sees every single spin as a betting opportunity (possible adrenaline rush due to a win).
- Because of the above, the perfect loser (PL) is a fan on playing each and every spin (which is a "no no" for situational play).
- The perfect loser (PL) is usually a SMART person! At other venues of life the perfect loser can be a total winner (i.e. a successful professional, excellent salesperson, etc. even outperforming at its field, whatever it may be). Only a smart, successful person can have the amounts of money the Perfect Loser loses at the casino.
- The perfect loser (PL) Loses everything and leaves the table. Back 3 minutes later, went to the ATM machine to get more money! Just lost the rent money but plays it off like its nothing. Such as "hey no big deal, its only money". Tries to laugh it off but you can see a tear forming. Feels the need to be totally drunk. Maybe acting stupid while betting will help him out?

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Suddenly, why am I bother posting over here? Let forumer judge as I said. What I've said is enough.
Oh well, ciao.
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if u really want to win, yes, win n go
dun be greedy
i realised that each time i entered casino sure win one, just that too greedy, then give back

i won b4 on caribean stud poker, a straight flush which hit the jackpot , 10% of AUS$58,900 which was RM 150k.

that was my luckiest time, i nearly get the whole sum coz i get spades of 9 10 J Q K, if the royal flush then kaya la!!!!

but still...dun judi
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Interested with this one.
QUOTE(ericklim @ Oct 8 2007, 10:26 PM)
if u really want to win, yes, win n go
dun be greedy
i realised that each time i entered casino sure win one, just that too greedy, then give back

i won b4 on caribean stud poker, a straight flush which hit the jackpot , 10% of AUS$58,900 which was RM 150k.

that was my luckiest time, i nearly get the whole sum coz i get spades of 9 10 J Q K, if the royal flush then kaya la!!!!

but still...dun judi
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How much money you have invested for this entire game to get the straight flush?
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THE PSYCHOLOGY AND CHEMICALS OF GAMBLING

In any case, the casino industry is a major contributor to gambling
addiction because a casino will do everything in its legal power to ensure
players would play more, longer and will deliberately psychologically
challenge them into making larger bets. You should be at all times very aware of the
psychology casinos will use against the player to make a profit.


The psychology the casino uses against the player:
These are facts which you'll find in any psychological scientific research concerning gambling.

The shorter the time between the bet and the outcome, the more addictive
the nature of the game. This is why casinos like to offer fast paced games:
besides the pace generating more income for the casino, the pace also
reduces the time for rational thought from the player. The player will find himself in the
middle of a chemical rush and chances increase severely the player will
loose track of time and the risk involved.

Casino's offer an environment in which there is a high stimulus for the
senses: jackpots are blinking and buzzing for attention, the interior often
has vibrant colours (red for instance is the colour which has the highest
frequency of stimulating the senses -this is why Ferrari's are mostly red,
or bull fighters use red cloth to excite the bull) and there is lots of
sound distraction.

The bombardment of the senses undermines rational thought because your
brain is trying to deal with all the sensory overload input which is going on.
Over stimulation will first introduce a sense of excitement, but eventually
will lead to a sense of numbness: again the strategy of the casino is without any doubt to
deliberately undermine the rational thought of the player.

Many venues offer alcohol at the tables, some venues will even offer
alcoholic drinks for free. Alcohol is a substance which undermines rational
thought. As well as it reduces your ability to drive; it also reduces your 'social' borders.
You might feel overconfident, less restricted and what is very important to
the casino: you will be less aware of the risk. To be very clear: you should NEVER drink
alcohol before or while you are gambling.

The casino taps directly into human desire: for instance you will find
huge publicity announcing the very few jackpot winners, but you'll never
find advertisement in casinos how much money was lost by the general
public. The objective mathematical odds for the player are in a majority of the cases
hard or not be found at all in a gaming venue. Government should step in
and make it obligatory for each casino to display the mathematical odds
besides each game they offer. Information on gambling addiction should be freely and easily
available in a gambling venue itself, and the casino should pay for these expenses
because after all they offer the drug which is at hand.

All casino games are designed as a ritual event. The ball spinning, the
final call on the bets, the fluent movement of the dealer, the shuffling of
cards, the stacking of chips ... Rituals bring to humans a sense of well
being and security. The outcome of this ritual is however insecure, that's the part where the
casino cashes in.
Although rituals can be very healthy for human beings, the casino has used the
potency of rituals to bring you in a state of mind in which you will be
entranced in playing long sessions, will be less thinking about the risk your taking in
each and every bet and finally will surrender to the casino by playing
without self-control or rational thought.

How the player can counteract the psychology used against him

Any time you go out playing keep detailed record of the net invested
capital, the wins and losses for each session. Do not fool yourself: at the
end of the month and year you will obtain an objective financial indication how good or bad
you did.Keeping detailed track of the money you spend on gambling at any given
opportunity is the only way to keep track of reality. Scientific research
(depending on the source) has shown that 1 out of 3 gamblers have a
distorted view on the real amount of money they have spent (and in a far majority of the cases
lost) on gambling. The moment you decide to not keep record of your exact
wins and losses, is the moment you will start fooling yourself (sub) consciously.

Determine your strategy and money management before you step in a casino.
Never bring more money than you can afford to loose. Use only cash money
and never bring bank- or credit cards with you. Stick to your predetermined
strategy and money management at all times. For each bet you make, analyse
the probability figures of the particular game and the bet you'll be taking
before ever placing down a bet. If you loose, accept the fact the risk turned out to be
negative on this occasion. No matter what you do there is no possibility
what so ever to ever achieve absolute certainty. No matter how many roulette strategy
sellers will try and convince you they have developed a mathematical system, a computer
device, bias or visual prediction techniques of which they state they simply can not fail:
the very fact sellers are depending on sales rather than generating personal wealth by playing
is the best prove they could not support in there income from gambling.

Do not play sessions for longer than an hour: even an hour is very long
for keeping your concentration up to the level needed to be aware of the risk
that you are taking. The longer you play, the higher the risk of becoming
trapped in the biochemical rush. Long sessions will lead to a feeling of numbness: you'll
make more mistakes in sticking to your predetermined strategy, you'll increase
the financial risk and eventually the house edge will take over. You may
not be aware of the biochemical rush if you are a regular player but be ensured your
brain is under the influence: in fact it's the same as the driver believing
that having two beers makes no difference what so ever to his driving skills. Scientific
research has proved WITHOUT A DOUBT this not to correct. You may have wondered why
college classes mostly are not exceeding one hour straight of teaching:
this is because the human attention span severely drops the longer you need
to concentrate.

Be very aware why casino's can offer such a luxurious environment:
together with millions of other players worldwide you have paid for this
environment by gambling and loosing. Sure, there are players who have managed to play
negative expectancy games and still managed to achieve a positive result in
the long run. However, these players represent less than a half percent of the total
gambling population. The elements involved in winning are always a
combination of luck,strategy and sheer discipline.

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Here is a EVEN betting kick-back phenomenon observed in
real time roulette and most even chance games ie. Baccarat for example
if you see a streak of 5 or more RED comes out, it then breaks and goes once to the
opposite in this case its Black and will often immediately comes back to RED.

Let me think what kind of progression can we use to exploit this phenomenon hmm.gif

Sample from my favourite Casino:-

user posted image


Table: 1
Date: 08.10.2007

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N Z R

15 - B
35 - B
31 - B
22 - B
14 - R <- RED
11 - B <-- comes back to BLACK!
30 - R
12 - R
16 - R
18 - R
7 - R
27 - R
24- B < - BLACK
27 - R <-- comes back RED!
-- -- --
0
2 - B
4 - B
11 - B
3 - R
12 - R
18 - R
3 - R
34 - R
1 - R
-- -- --
32 - R
36 - R
8 - B
16 - R <-- comes back to RED!
11 - B
30 - R
36 - R
7 - R
16 - R
3 - R
1 - R
4 - B
23 - R <-- comes back to RED!
21 -R
7 - R
18 - R
20 - B
-- -- --
0
6 - B
2 - B
32 -R
29 - B
15 - B
28 - B
21 - R
31 - B


-------------------------------------------

Baccarat Table 6: -

Player
Banker
Banker
Player
Player
Banker
Banker
Player
Banker
Banker
Banker
Banker
Banker
Banker
Player
Banker <-- comes back to Banker!
Banker
Banker
Player
Banker
Player
Player
Player
Player
Player
Banker
Player <-- comes back to Player!
Player


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anymore tip and tricks to share? keep it going
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well for baccarat, my observation in Genting definitely not same as u talk about
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Oct 10 2007, 01:05 AM)
well for baccarat, my observation in Genting definitely not same as u talk about
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QUOTE(ankw @ Oct 8 2007, 09:33 PM)
From what u mention above, the best thing is to have degree and become manager rather than climbing from the bottom right. spend 2-3 years to get a degree and become asst manager with a salary of rm5k.

what if have 2 degree and 1 master can become senior manager?
what is the highest level to climb in genting after manager level?
what post is the highest ranking in genting besides the CEO?
what is the benefits working in genting good bonus//incentives  etc?

why does each table game have to change people every half and hour inclusive of supervisor and keep changing to other/different section everyday?
Have u seen any big rollers/gamblers gambling alot of money in genting before?
Did they manage to win/loss most of the time?

what is the maximum amount of money to gamble?
what is the highest max/min limit in genting ?

from yr experience what are the pro and cons of gambling in genting?

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First of all, sorry for the late reply cause I didn't see due to our shahjees here posting too many "interesting" stuff and are very distracting.
Erm... What I told you and what I'm going to tell you are totally post in casino. Outside such as hotel etc I don't know

After you spend for 2-3 years, you don't get 5k straight away. 5k is for those who climb up slowly.

2 degree and 1 master... you're still junior manager. Juniority/Seniority is based on the period of time you've worked.
After manager(in casino, managers are called CSM which stands for Casino Shift Manager)... Is VP(Vice President) then President... If my memory serves me right, below CEO are Presidents.. Yes, more than 1 President. I'm not sure how to get to there tho... (You sounds ambitious huh??)
What can be if CEO is not the highest?... CEO is Uncle Lim's family member lo...
Benefirs of working in genting. Free accommodation. Free meal when you're on duty. Cable car riding FOC and you have the priority where you don't have to queue when going up genting. If you are AM and above, you have monthly incentives on meal, AM will be given 1k. The rest not sure the amount(they give you a card, which can be used all over genting).

What's the maximum?? shocking.gif sweat.gif rclxub.gif NO MAX LA unless you own the world... If you are very super ultimately rich you can go into Elite/Maxims. Betting limit... Don't ask me. Go try for yourself... One of my supervisor seen a customer lost RM 8million in 2 days. Yes is 8,000,000.

Table doesn't change people every half and hour. But is 1 hour and 20 minutes. In casino, 5 croupier and 1 supervisor in 1 pit(1pit = 4 table).
Everyone take turns to go for rest. The period of rotation is 1 hour and 20 minutes. So, each person has 20minutes resting after every 1 hour and 20 minutes.
My friend told me... Genting settle taxes with Bank Negara... DAILY. Don't know it's true or not.

Big rollers/gamblers? Sure... In IR, I've encountered smart people playing roulette... The worst day, my table down about 100k. That time, customers see me as money god(chai shen ye) but supervisor and manager see me as if I purposely give the customers win.
Did they manage to win.... You say le?

First of all, gambling is always bad...
Got customers lose until they scold me. You say le?
Got customers win until they praise me. You say le?
Pros or cons is up to one to judge. I didn't judge that, I don't and I won't.

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if u let a player to win a huge amount, your supervisor sure will suspect u got something with the player, is normal
i got a friend who work in Genting, as a Roulette croupier, he pakat with outsider, making profit by 60:40 and each day can earned around few hundred or thousand more
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if u let a player to win a huge amount, your supervisor sure will suspect u got something with the player, is normal
i got a friend who work in Genting, as a Roulette croupier, he pakat with outsider, making profit by 60:40 and each day can earned around few hundred or thousand more
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Yup, my friends too. But too bad someone here is too naive to believe that there is such thing.
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thanks for the info.

can normal perople go into Elite/Maxims?

what is the minimum bet in Elite/Maxims?

how to be a member of Elite/Maxims?

u mention that a supervisor saw a customer lost 8 million. wow that alot how they manage to bring so much cash to the casino? must be a royal family or something....

as mention before u have to work as asst manager for a certain years to get rm5k ha but thought starting pay is rm5k. what is the starting pay for asst. manager then?

did u see any big shots/singer/local artist/movie star playing in genting casino before?

what is the percentage of increment yearly and bonus for all the levels?

does the each table in genting always lose or win more everyday?
what is the worst scenerio?

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QUOTE(ankw @ Oct 10 2007, 05:40 PM)
thanks for the info.

can normal perople go into Elite/Maxims?

what is the minimum bet in Elite/Maxims?

how to be a member of Elite/Maxims?

u mention that a supervisor saw a customer lost 8 million. wow that alot how they manage to bring so much cash to the casino? must be a royal family or something....

as mention before u have to work as asst manager for a certain years to get rm5k ha but thought starting pay is rm5k. what is the starting pay for asst. manager then?

did u see any big shots/singer/local artist/movie star playing in genting casino before?

what is the percentage of increment yearly and bonus for all the levels?

does the each table in genting always lose or win more everyday?
what is the worst scenerio?
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Answer...
Q1: You have to have platinum card.
Q2: Don't know but as far as I know, 5k chip is very common inside there.
Q3: You have to get a platinum card, or you are a very famous person. (n x V)IP
Q4: They don't have to bring cash la, one card in hand can get them everything in their hand.
Q5: Starting pay would be around RM2000-3000. Just like fresh graduate.
Q6: I never seen one(perhaps I don't fancy local artist so I don't recognize them) but my friend said he saw one of the SUPERSTAR finalists was gambling there.
Q7: I don't know. I only worked for short period of time.
Q8: Gambling, sure got win and lose. But OVERALL Genting is winning everyday. If only banker win, who will gamble?

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i also believe the casino people purposely eat all my chips when playing
big big on roulete suddenly they eat all my bets, last saturday already lost
rm800 cry.gif

how to play roulette like that, now i stop playing roulete how to cari makan like that!

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if u let a player to win a huge amount, your supervisor sure will suspect u got something with the player, is normal
i got a friend who work in Genting, as a Roulette croupier, he pakat with outsider, making profit by 60:40 and each day can earned around few hundred or thousand more
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is there going to be a new game in genting 7 card poker or 5 card poker?

there's going to be a competition on poker this month?

how do u play the game?


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what is the game you play and give us your tips also biggrin.gif

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post Oct 10 2007, 09:29 PM

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those poker game always in Banker favour side, as jiaxun said, Genting always win
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this no need to repeat so many2 time here, we all also know uncle lim sure always win one,
but how and which technic the best to use to come out as winner. this is why we are here to learn
this special technics, casino is our same enemy, how to fight with enemy when everyone here
fighting with each other. cry.gif

QUOTE(yhtan @ Oct 10 2007, 09:29 PM)
those poker game always in Banker favour side, as jiaxun said, Genting always win
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dont know whether they follow the rio poker in us (World series of poker/full tilt poker 2007) whereby player by against player, banker only charge min fees.

the championship tournament poker in genting , i think some champion from world series of poker also join in for the competition



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what is the traffic condition up there now?
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Pack with people. full house poker tournament going on.. World series of poker
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all i see is old untie and uncle playing poker at starworld, must be world class huh tongue.gif

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Pack with people. full house poker tournament going on.. World series of poker
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(Bet minimum) I won Rm240 in approximate 45 minutes , still refuse to leave in French boule . Eventually I lose it all . lmaO !! shit tongue.gif

I have seen some Bus Driver dude , he bet $500 here and there but still went in to tha "Lim's Ditch". And some even awesome incredible insane , they lost $ 10,000 in just a minutes. holy shit~ o_O
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probably want to get rich fast or do not have time to play. Must be patient and dont get over heated. When a person sees a nice show does not mean if he play, the person win. some win some lost even on a nice show. always becareful.

Always win go off and come back later to play. dont be tempted or else will lost back for sure.

win little as long as win go off, have the will power to do that or else definately will lose back

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the problem with human is greedy and thats an advantage for genting and no patients and especially rushing for time to go back right.

when a person win, the people want to win more and thats where they lose back.

first of all a person start to gamble, the people put little money to test water and wins a few round when they start to put big money they lose back and form no longer there right. When a person start to lose money, they start to gamble big to recover back the money lose earlier right.
The problem is here. When lose what to recover back and when win want to win more. Luck is always up and down so becareful

During such a long holiday, people cannot sit still and like to earn more money right, habit they go genting to try their luck am i right. fingers or hand itchy and no share market or no need to work, so they go to genting.

Genting is setting the trap there. But if a person is strong in the mind and sharp they wont lose. if they are influence by the environment and people, thats where the problem starts and kelam kabut..

Always remember if a person win a little or more go away and come back later or another day. Genting is always there. Dont be greedy..
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The only way to win big in genting is to bring a bunch of bomohs and priest to the table.

to swat away the pesky mahkluk halus that keep stealing your money.


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if people is not greedy just win little and goes off, then genting definately wont be earning much. every people co- operate and as long as win, go away and come back another day or later. genting have no way to stop u from doing that right. as long as win faster go away and keep the earning. if everyone do that for sure genting profit will fall

or every people boycott, dont go to genting to gamble and they have no business. But chinese people like to gamble heavy not like in western country, foreigner dont gamble heavy like chinese people do. smile.gif


Do casino in other country have ghost as well or the new casino in singapore do they install ghost there as well? smile.gif

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According to my survey lets take eg baccarat.

if the whole show at least 60 rounds in it, if a person who plays the whole show and if the person able to predict at least 20 rounds, the person will be very rich. if he bet rm100 and able to predict 20 round, he will win rm2k right.

Even have seen people playing the whole show either he win little or breakeven even on a good show. and seen auntie or uncle rushing to place a bet on a table and another table like there will be no other opportunity left to place abet. Stepping on people shoes rushing to place a bet. Crazy. their reaction is very unpatients like rushing for time and eventually loss. majority of them always does this.

Some auntie or uncle have being playing for 20++ years do mention not to cut the cards and let the dealer cut in a starting new baccarat game or else the show will not be nice, it is craps as i do notice, just physcology play. if they were so correct they will not be there already must have win alot for the past 20 over years.

Never argue with them bcos they will not change. Too old to change for the better. Cocky, action type and over confident people will lose and never stop playing when winning and thats where their downfall begins. There mindset never change to a better thinking and never learn from mistake. Reluctant to change. Let it be who cares .

Never play every round or else u will loss back. thats where genting will win. The person mind and concentration will weaken during the long run and due to the environment and people around that will influence the thinking and action to be taken to place a bet. Patients....

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everyone knows that in roulette, all the outer bets are sucker bets, means that you will have to
win more times to cover a single loss. therefore, covering more numbers gives the player
a fatal illogical illusion that one would be having more chances of winning than they would lose.

here are the results of covering 24 numbers out of 36(+0) numbers on a real 40,000 actual spin:

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from the chart you can see that you actually made a small profit of $70 on the first 16 spins
but by continuing to play the same method on a long run,
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while Roulette, if i cover 2 row of number which will be 24 out of 37
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A lot of people in genting. trying their luck smile.gif
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even if u kena jackport like about RM 1 milion or few thousand ! when u are comming down ! u are gona be dead because no one will get out of the mr lims hand !@!!
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Go to genting and enjoy and have fun. earn a bit of pocket money is ok.

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just my little sharing here:

1) every time when I win baccarat is when every gambler is having a consensus on betting on either banker or player... team spirit will win the banker.

2) observe some 'old birds' - they might be able to help you to win money.

3) when your luck is bad - well, not really your luck because the cards are 'fixed' in the dispensery...leave and come back next time.
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Uncle Lim Pass Away and now its a time to get some money from genting.

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Depend on the bet u play and time
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Last time my aunt, she juz throw her genting card on the table n let them swap but she didnt play n she get poitns. lol
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Honestly smart and gamble doesnt make sense together.

I think if you group greedy and gamble together, not only they looks good together but also very meaningful. First of all, ppl who dont gamble is those who always win. Ever heard chinese saying, the less you lose = win. So if you got 0 chance to lose = 100% winning. Ppl are just greedy than you can expect. Just make yourself stay in Genting for 30days and then start winning RM100 and left. Sooner or later you will wish its RM1k instead of RM100. Not to mention, when you lose, you will attempt to recover and that is what really kills you slowly.

Advise, take it as a game. Win or lose RM1k or RM10k doesnt mean end of world and you dont need to goto work ever after. Win or lose, life still goes on. Just dont think too much of revenge cos that will end up hurting you more in the end. After all, when you want to gamble luck, make sure you got enough money to bet till your luck come. If you dont have enough money, then why are you so sure that you have enough luck. Just my 2cents
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QUOTE(cristiano7mu @ Oct 23 2007, 08:40 PM)
Last time my aunt, she juz throw her genting card on the table n let them swap but she didnt play n she get poitns. lol
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That's what I thinking. tongue.gif
As I think they count by time

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They don't know how much I bet also. Understand? So many ppl in the table, they didn't count 1 by 1
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tongue.gif Totally agree, in gambling the most important thing that human always fail is controlling its own emotion...let say for example...starting u win up to 4k...later u play on u lose back to 2k profit. Then u will be thinking...damn...i want my 2k back. Later on....lose everything + your own pocket money. Then feel like revenge, take out credit card...go to maybank there get more money. Long term sure die...

Emotion control in gambling is the most important...there is no sure win method. Just gamble within your own budget and not lost control. It kill yourself and your love one.

Remember genting will be always be there waiting for you. No rush...today u lose, does not mean u need to win back on the same day. Bring 1k..lose liow..go back sleep. Win a bit...feel ok liow..go back sleep.

Dont let the ah long get u... tongue.gif

QUOTE(kapitan @ Oct 23 2007, 09:20 PM)
Honestly smart and gamble doesnt make sense together.

I think if you group greedy and gamble together, not only they looks good together but also very meaningful. First of all, ppl who dont gamble is those who always win. Ever heard chinese saying, the less you lose = win. So if you got 0 chance to lose = 100% winning. Ppl are just greedy than you can expect. Just make yourself stay in Genting for 30days and then start winning RM100 and left. Sooner or later you will wish its RM1k instead of RM100. Not to mention, when you lose, you will attempt to recover and that is what really kills you slowly.

Advise, take it as a game. Win or lose RM1k or RM10k doesnt mean end of world and you dont need to goto work ever after. Win or lose, life still goes on. Just dont think too much of revenge cos that will end up hurting you more in the end. After all, when you want to gamble luck, make sure you got enough money to bet till your luck come. If you dont have enough money, then why are you so sure that you have enough luck. Just my 2cents
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Last time my aunt, she juz throw her genting card on the table n let them swap but she didnt play n she get poitns. lol
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u need stay in the table 1 ... because they will call the name and check ...

lim family knows malaysian chinese mentality well ...
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u need stay in the table 1 ... because they will call the name and check ...

lim family knows malaysian chinese mentality well ...
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last time i remember i of my dad friend, who hav master minded....he can knows wat card u get without looking at it...no matter how u mix the card, after u giv the card to 3 or 4 ppl, he can know everyone card...
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I go with my auntie once, she bring rm300K go, than win win till got rm700k plus her model 300k. Than her friend phone and they argue thru phone, her mood so down than start simply play, at the end, she end up with rm100.

Because she lose so many, the genting even give her another 15k for her to come again. Uncle Lim really smart.


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QUOTE(yawhong @ Oct 24 2007, 06:42 PM)
I go with my auntie once, she bring rm300K go, than win win till got rm700k plus her model 300k. Than her friend phone and they argue thru phone, her mood so down than start simply play, at the end, she end up with rm100.

Because she lose so many, the genting even give her another 15k for her to come again. Uncle Lim really smart.
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how did yr auntie gamble until win and lose so much? did u watch her play?

any regrets or heart sick win and lose so much? smile.gif
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u need stay in the table 1 ... because they will call the name and check ...

lim family knows malaysian chinese mentality well ...
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Becareful if the person does that too many times(putting card to the table but did not play or walk off), some benefits will be bad listed to the card holder (cannot upgrade to another level, cannot go into vip section,card will be barred,points earn very little or forfieted etc).

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lose real hard cash money and win virtually useless genting points,
what a smart way to play...
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Too tempted with the points and lose alot of money. what for want the points maybe to eat and stay more at genting and gamble more

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QUOTE(ankw @ Oct 24 2007, 09:44 PM)
how did yr auntie gamble until win and lose so much? did u watch her play?

any regrets or heart sick win and lose so much? smile.gif
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haha i don exactly know what going on, i just see money come money go.... anyway her husband damn rich, his house just opp singapore president house...
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only in casino can we see the smartest and wealthiest person plays the dumbess strategy doh.gif

QUOTE(yawhong @ Oct 25 2007, 03:34 PM)
haha i don exactly know what going on, i just see money come money go.... anyway her husband damn rich, his house just opp singapore president house...
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Yes i have seen alot of auntie come to genting everyday to gamble. Some auntie even come by bus, arrive at genting in the morning and goes off after 4pm or 5pm everyday. Some even dont let their husband know where they are.

Very bad habit and not healthy at all. saw some even lose alot of money like that. Whats the point, lose and win also do want to go off. thrill i think. Alot of money also no use in time to also come finished and give to genting.

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haha i don exactly know what going on, i just see money come money go.... anyway her husband damn rich, his house just opp singapore president house...
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Better yr auntie give u the money rather than losing it to genting, so u no need to work so hard in future. smile.gif

Giving to genting, and thats make genting more richer instead
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In Islam its already stated that gambling is haramm...
The money you get from gambling is not berkat..
Gambling its not getting you anywhere, in fact ruins ur life..

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in malaysia everthing is haram and illegal, can you tell or show us something which is legally done in malaysia?

QUOTE(castelloz @ Oct 25 2007, 10:49 PM)
In Islam its already stated that gambling is haramm...
The money you get from gambling is not berkat..
Gambling its not getting you anywhere, in fact ruins ur life..
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In Islam its already stated that gambling is haramm...
The money you get from gambling is not berkat..
Gambling its not getting you anywhere, in fact ruins ur life..
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In Islam its already stated that gambling is haramm...
The money you get from gambling is not berkat..
Gambling its not getting you anywhere, in fact ruins ur life..
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Yes...I agree gambling is Haram in Islam...but...what is the meaning of the word Gambling ? Gambling means playing games of chance based on LUCK. Professional gamblers don't play based on luck. They play with knowledge and skill. Example : blackjack players who play counting cards and they win consistently. Thare are many professional gamblers who become millionaires and having a good life. It is just very few ppl knows about this pro players because they stay low profile.


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QUOTE(squallexexex @ Oct 24 2007, 02:35 PM)
last time i remember i of my dad friend, who hav master minded....he can knows wat card u get without looking at it...no matter how u mix the card, after u giv the card to 3 or 4 ppl, he can know everyone card...
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It's called card-counting. Nothing new. That's why they try to make it harder by using 5 decks normally.
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Becareful if the person does that too many times(putting card to the table but did not play or walk off), some benefits will be bad listed to the card holder (cannot upgrade to another level, cannot go into vip section,card will be barred,points earn very little or forfieted etc).
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mad.gif ... damn genting !!!

so babaiiiiiiiii, boycott genting for life ...
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QUOTE(Empathy @ Oct 26 2007, 01:58 AM)
Yes...I agree gambling is Haram in Islam...but...what is the meaning of the word Gambling ? Gambling means playing games of chance based on LUCK. Professional gamblers don't play based on luck. They play with knowledge and skill. Example : blackjack players who play counting cards and they win consistently. Thare are many professional gamblers who become millionaires and having a good life. It is just very few ppl knows about this pro players because they stay low profile.
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are you 1 of them professional? afaik there are also some mathematician who are already banned from entering casinos around the world as they can win in terms of millions in 1 round when the odds are stake against the house.....what to do their statistics too keng notworthy.gif

QUOTE(clsiluf @ Oct 26 2007, 02:55 PM)
mad.gif  ... damn genting !!!

so babaiiiiiiiii, boycott genting for life ...
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Ask Bill gates or warren buffet, the most riches man to gamble with genting, then only see whether who will win. Just gamble one round. see who win.

or ask the world riches man to reverse take over genting... smile.gif
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If Bill GATES gamble with genting, i think genting also scare.
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If Bill GATES gamble with genting, i think genting also scare.
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They don't gamble money. Money is nothing for them. They gamble by playing whose hair get bald!  laugh.gif
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All I know about Genting Casino is see-ing my father betting to 1m CASH and having me to endure such pain because of his stupid mistakes. You may win a sum of money, but in the end you'll lose 3 or more times worst. There's no way uncle lim would leave you taking away his money.nuff said
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QUOTE(ankw @ Oct 25 2007, 10:07 PM)
Better yr auntie give u the money rather than losing it to genting, so u no need to work so hard in future. smile.gif

Giving to genting, and thats make genting more richer instead
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she is totally a joke for my family k. beside like gamble she do sponsor some china girl.. wat i mean is she pay for anything for the china girl.. The girl enjoy LV, Gucci, foods... sigh.. When my auntie visit me, i do need go pack food for her and the china girl and she don even bother to pay me back, but that is ok. I really hate she sponsor those china girl and she tell me they r her sister.... sigh... vmad.gif Beside go genting, do like gamble for football, at least 5000 sg dollar per match even the match is thailand vs malaysia... i really don know why the auntie i love so much can turn to a b**** like that....
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if you really just want to test your LUCK then i suggest you to simple go in
close your eyes and BET one time only on either Banker or Player on Baccarat,
Black or Red on Roulette, win or lose just go back.

But if you want to come out from the casino as a winner, please go in with
some logical strategies to play a game properly.

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to test your luck, u must go play the three pictures which mininum RM10
if u win, you are lucky today
don't bet so much your luck not at your side
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QUOTE(Karin @ Oct 29 2007, 02:37 AM)
All I know about Genting Casino is see-ing my father betting to 1m CASH and having me to endure such pain because of his stupid mistakes. You may win a sum of money, but in the end you'll lose 3 or more times worst. There's no way uncle lim would leave you taking away his money.nuff said
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QUOTE(yawhong @ Oct 30 2007, 03:14 PM)
she is totally a joke for my family k. beside like gamble she do sponsor some china girl.. wat i mean is she pay for anything for the china girl.. The girl enjoy LV, Gucci, foods... sigh.. When my auntie visit me, i do need go pack food for her and the china girl and  she don even bother to pay me back, but that is ok. I really hate she sponsor those china girl and she tell me they r her sister.... sigh...  vmad.gif Beside go genting, do like gamble for football, at least 5000 sg dollar per match even the match is thailand vs malaysia... i really don know why the auntie i love so much can turn to a b**** like that....
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alot of money to spend ha. Ask yr auntie to win genting money more and and challenge uncle lim. bring more money to gamble and win more
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try yr luck and see or maybe can earn a living over in genting by becoming a gambler whereas alot of auntie and uncle go to genting day by day and gamble (go in the morning and come back in the evening) alot of them win as i have ask them. its fun they say.
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in malaysia everthing is haram and illegal, can you tell or show us something which is legally done in malaysia?
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Rempiting is not haram here. THey are done legally and were renamed to Mat Cemerlang smile.gif

Anyway from my exp, i think need to really play slowly and see the trend. I dont win big but still positive lar laugh.gif
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post Nov 13 2007, 01:10 PM

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Win genting money daily
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post Nov 14 2007, 01:23 PM

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yep should try to go genting daily to earn/win some pocket money like the auntie and uncle. its like a job. and some can enjoy
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For those who unable to get job can try and earn some pocket money and have fun in genting as well
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post Nov 18 2007, 05:07 PM

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win genting money as much as u can
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post Nov 21 2007, 03:05 PM

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Recession is coming, no worry go to genting and get some $$ and bonus/ angpow. Genting's luck is running out
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The ghost is within everybody mind not genting. Mentality thinking and action. Ghost is those commit suicide there only and not planted. dont tell me when in the new singapore casino, genting will plant ghost there. ridiculious right

The ghost is you in yr mind and action. Positive thinking..

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post Nov 28 2007, 12:29 PM

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thats true
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post Nov 30 2007, 12:46 PM

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Mental thinking depends on how people think it
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how ppl in the world treat gamble as?

western country - its just for entertain ppl

asian country - I MUST WIN!!! I MUST WIN!!!
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There's no way we can beat casino bcos:
(1) casino set the rules and win us with the house advantage
(2) our capital cannot win them
(3) we are all very greedy so mentally we already lose


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unless win abit and go away. have to have alot of patient and self control
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K if its all about gambling then im quite pro. biggrin.gif I play the "sangkar with the dices" and i won rm1000. Ive been watching for a long time and I won with just 1 time bet. Then I left.
Gambling is just for fun so there is no way u can win non-stop. biggrin.gif
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yep thats true , once win just go away n come back another time.
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QUOTE(oRoXoRo @ Dec 1 2007, 04:36 AM)
K if its all about gambling then im quite pro. biggrin.gif I play the "sangkar with the dices" and i won rm1000. Ive been watching for a long time and I won with just 1 time bet. Then I left.
Gambling is just for fun so there is no way u can win non-stop. biggrin.gif
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IMO, dont treat gambling as a "side income" instead of a game. Do enjoy as long as you are playing a game, jus like you need to pay to have a KaraOK session, or spend time in cyber cafe. Always feel relaks and be entertain for the whole game. In the end, if you lost, just treat it as another happy ending outing.....You pay also when going KaraOK rite?So you dont feel sad/angry but say it to yourslf....What a game!!
But if win, BONUSloh.....
So, both ending also benefit your side.
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Try using yr brain to out wit it and win. exercise yr mind
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Just wanna share my experience in Casino de Genting with you all.

First of all,Casino de Genting is the most pahlia and b**ta*d casino since the takeover of Uncle Lim 2nd son Lim K.T. several years ago. Just looks at his salary as Genting & RWB Chairman for last year,more than 150 million ringgit which equal to RM 12,500,000 every month..!! From his salary you already can imagine how much money Casino de Genting had taken from gamblers pocket,that is alot alot of money..!!

Well,i am not a high stake gambler but i do have a 21R Silver GWC. Does anyone know how much Casino de Genting taken from our wallet last year? The answer is RM 2,500,000,000 (2.5 billion)..!! Just get a copy of Resort World Berhad annual report and see the "revenue" section,from the 3.6 billion rinngit approximate 70% was from Casino de Genting. I really amazed of the reaction of public and newspapers when Uncle Lim passed away last month. Although he was indeed a great person who became a Billionaire from simply nothing,but how can anyone praise someone who accumulate more than 15 billion ringgit fortune with unfortune of hundred of thousands peoples and their hard earn money?! Furthermore,his son LKT is a very powerful person who would taken every single penny of your money from your pocket as long as you keep on steps into Casino de Genting. As what people said,casino don't afraid you win their money,they just afraid you don't come to casino..!! In their point of view,the winning in your wallet is their "house money". Someday they will take it all back from you with high interest (your money).

Win money in Casino de Genting for long term? Mission Impossible.
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As you may know,Casino de Genting is a place which established under the Common Gaming House Act. Their gaming license has to renew every three month from Finance Ministry since the license grant in year 1968. Many people don't know that actually the first Casino de Genting was inside current Theme Park Hotel. Basically the Casino de Genting located at the border of two states with Highland Hotel (Hollywood,IR,VIP Room) in Pahang and Genting Hotel (Circus Palace,Showboat,Monte Carlo,Latte) in Selangor. So in case PAS takeover Pahang as they did in Kelantan and threaten to close down casino,they just move the Casino de Genting in Highland Hotel to Selangor side loh. Although the gaming license is issued by Finance Ministry,Casino de Genting still has to renew a state gaming license under Pahang Entertainment Enactment Act. That is what Uncle Lim afraid most,either revoke of gaming license or landslide.

There is two kind of gamblers which comprise guests at the Resort's hotel and repeat "day-trippers" from Klang Valley. Basically the gamblers classified into two groups which are "grind market" (Hollywood,Circus Palace,Showboat,Monte Carlo,Starworld) and "high roller customer" (IR,VIP,Maxims,Elite). Frankly,i wasn't a high roller patron at all,because i only place bet from RM100 to RM2000 each hand. So far,the highest bet per hand i seen it myself was 35k (RM500 limit Baccarat) while the IR Room still located in lower floor just beside VIP Room and VIP Restaurant several months ago due to renovation in currect IR Room. Yeah,Casino de Genting always does the renovation. Renovation = Zhong Shao (cantonese). Sure the "house" (Zhong) makan "gambler" lah. That is their fengshui woh,that is why everyday got renovation in Casino de Genting.

Basically,revenues from Casino de Genting is generally predictable on the basis of the "win ratio" that casino expects to derive from gaming. The "win ratio" in any period refers to aggregate amount of money wagered by customers in comparison to the aggregate amount of money returned to customers in the form of gaming winnings. This mean that casino don't care about the result of any Baccrat shoe or Roulette,all they want to do is just make sure more and more peoples pump their money into the gaming systems. From the small 1% house edge,casino had accumulate billion and billion of dollars that build up today luxurious Las Vegas Strip,Macau Cotai Strip and Casino de Genting as well. This is what malay called "sikit sikit lama jadi bukit"..!!

Gambling is a subfair activity where "House Always Win" in long term. In Baccarat when you lose House take away your RM100,when B6 they only pay you RM50,where got fair one. That is the reason Uncle Lim and his son never gamble in casino like us. Furthermore,casino no need cheat you,because with House Edge they definitely will makan you in long term. I don't think the casino wanna cheat any patron to risk out their gaming license that Uncle Lim family had monopoly for 39 years. Casino is highly regulated business with their shares trade in KLSE,so most of the time casino won't cheat you,but they will kacau you with some "tricks" to make you losing money.

Is there 100% sure-fire system to win money in casino? N..O..NO.

Those people who intend to sell you betting system is similiar to those conman selling snake oil in 19th century. Where got billionaire in Forbes 200 accumulates their wealth from gambling? Mana ada,only casino taukeh saja. Gambler? Wait until next century lah.
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Frankly,out of thousand of peoples in Casino de Genting,90% walking out of casino as loser,only 10% are those lucky guy turun bukit with smiley face,while only 0.1% out of that 10% is smart punter who win most of the time. I use the word "most of the time" but not "everytime". When we talk about time,there is NO CLOCK in Casino de Genting..!! I had search every single corner of Casino de Genting included GWC Centre,but not even i found a single clock yet. This casino ah,uses this kind of "trick" to make you keep on gambling and gambling day-night without realize what is the time until you losing all your money,terrible.

If you wanna go to casino to win alot of money everytime,then you better sit at home and watch tv. Because most of the time you will lose due to the House Edge,CASINO GAMES INVENTED IN FAVOR OF CASINO not you. If you treat gambling as some exciting entertainment,that would be fine. After all,what kind of entertainment would let you bring home extra cash? AS LONG AS YOU DON'T GAMBLE,YOU ARE ALWAYS A WINNER.

I heard alot peoples said we should throw sweet or candy under the table,but so far i don't see it myself anyone purposely doing it yet. After all,who cares under the table got small ghost or not,all we care are whether there is any cash chip that other gambler drop on the floor or under the table..!! Anyhow,sometime i heard peoples said when their cash chip drop under the table,they couldn't find it anymore. It was weird,maybe because there was small ghost under the table who already took it? Who knew.

I don't think cheating in Casino de Genting is possible. There are alot big "eye in the sky" which able zoom in to see the time on your watch. Furthermore,those guys in Casino and Security Operation Department are very experience experts,especially their S.V.P (Senior Vice President) Lim Eng Ming with more than 30 yrs experience in casino business. Nowaday,casinos are well connected,once you got caught in a casino,your face and picture will be stick in the Security Department in the casino all over the world. As i know those guys in CSOD quite efficient,any ban-patron re-enter the casino would be caught for trespassing within 10 minutes. The guys in CSOD always exchange information with other casino on fraud/cheat matter,not to forget they have million of dollars to purchase the hightech equipment and employ best guy to detect in-process fraud/cheating. Just don't play-play,these CSOD guys are not as dumb as you think.

Wanna cheat in casino? Look at the video in this website first,see how the CSOD guy hantam you kuat-kuat until table also terbalik (fan toi)..!!

Cheating in casino

Btw,Bill Gates or Warren Buffett do gamble like us,but they are playing Poker. Just like BlackJack if you know the high-low card counter,sometime the odds will be favor of you and the game is beatable. As i know the biggest punter in the world is Kelly Packer,the ex-chairman of PBL Group and richest man in Australia. He placed USD 100k for each BlackJack hand and he placed all seven hands in each round..!! Even the big shot in Las Vegas also cannot tahan this kind of big stakes and not welcome him anymore. Although casino got enormous cash,but their opponent got infinite wealth of more than 20 billion,sure takut lah.

Bill Gates play a poker match

100 million toss coin bet
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QUOTE(shahjees @ Aug 28 2007, 01:52 AM)
baccarat the fast and easy progression formula:
wait till 3 times banker comes out in a row then bet on
player with following progression:

1-2-3-4-6-9-13-20-30-45-67

most of the time, i win at level 6 ~ 9  thumbup.gif
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I guess your Martingale progression got problem with it.

1+2+3+4+6=16

Hence,if you bet 9 on the 6th hand,you are losing 7. Am i right on this?
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QUOTE(ankw @ Sep 26 2007, 05:18 PM)
Alot of people in genting casino even during weekdays and weekends. alot of gamblers and punters gambling Rm100k - Rm200k. Alot of people winning alot of money Rm30k ++ with each bet of Rm2k -RM3k very fast up.
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QUOTE(jack2008 @ Sep 28 2007, 10:54 PM)
yep saw people gambling 2-3k per bet and very fast rich Rm20k++ and even saw gamblers putting 8k-10k per bet and win 100k ++.
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When they losing,lagi cepat.. sweat.gif



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QUOTE(lexasp @ Oct 5 2007, 03:59 PM)
play big small, observe who is the person that keep on losing then bet on the directly opposite of what he/she bet.
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Itu lah cara untuk menang..!! icon_rolleyes.gif
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Everything that is electronically controlled has a guarantee that you'll lose if you bet big money smile.gif
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Totally agree with you. All electronically controlled gaming in Casino de Genting tipu orang punya,especially the horse racing in Circus Palace and the Ultimate Baccarat in Latte or StarWorld.
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QUOTE(xecton @ Oct 8 2007, 08:30 AM)
I'm pretty sure his friend can do it using his chi energy.
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I think that is the Jedi Master's Force or probably the Dark Force of Sith to "area spinning" in Roulette as described by Jiaxun.. sweat.gif


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QUOTE(yhtan @ Oct 8 2007 @ 04:11 AM)
is that 10k limit is to prevent money laundering?
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QUOTE(jiaxun @ Oct 8 2007, 08:49 AM)
Erm... Sorry really cannot tell... I might get sued.
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You say Resort World Berhad may sue you in court just because you reveal the corporate "top secret" why the 10k cash-to-chip exchange require ID? I am laughing until fall down. laugh.gif

If RWB really does that,it is one of the silly and foolish litigation i ever heard in my lifetime. Don't worry,i can assure you that in past 3 years there is no litigation by RWB or against RWB,you can read their annual report to confirm my statement.
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QUOTE(jiaxun @ Oct 6 2007, 04:07 PM)
1st. I worked at there for part time for 2 months only. So I am not that good.

6th. Maybe the last but not the least. You loser please accept and listen to those who got the experience, those who seen more things than you do.
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You work with RWB for part-time for 2 MONTHS only and you admitted yourself aren't that good,now you calling other people "loser" and listen to those who got the experience,those who seen more things than you do?! I presume you are saying yourself.

I realized YOU ARE CONFLICTING WITH YOURSELF. Sometime you say you are not that good and only work for part-time for 2 months only,then suddenly you say you got the experience and seen more things than us. You are a funny guy.. doh.gif
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QUOTE(jiaxun @ Oct 5 2007, 04:10 PM)
lol....
I WAS LAUGHING ALL THE WHILE WHEN I WAS READING THESE POSTS...

FYI, I'm not yet 21 but I have seen people winning big on roulette table(real PRO) and losing on roulette table(simply bet) with my own eyes.

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Me too laughing all the way when i was reading your posts. A kid who hasn't 21 years old and never and/or illegal to place a bet in casino talked like an expert and laughing at other peoples. You really a funny boy.. shakehead.gif


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QUOTE(jiaxun @ Oct 8 2007, 09:16 PM)
Again, I'm asking for the 3rd time
Shahjees, have you ever entered casino before?

I am not sure whether you didn't see my question or you purposely ignore it?
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QUOTE(jiaxun @ Oct 6 2007, 04:45 PM)

4. I'm not yet 21, so I can't go in and bet.

6. Genting casino management know it exist. BUT they can't do anything. They only can try to replace the senior croupier with new croupier junior croupier to reduce the lost. WHY? Because if they change all roulette to electronic type, nobody will want to genting to bet because electronic type is real random.(got 2 type here, one is electronic betting with human spin, another one is fully electronic. I'm speaking of fully electronic)

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I believe you are asking yourself. Jiaxun,have you ever entered casino before? What i mean is not you go there and work as a croupier,but take out your hard earn money and betting on the table. I believe you don't,because YOU ARE NOT YET 21 YEARS OLD as you said it yourself.

In response to your question six,i don't believe casino management can't or don't do anything when they know a fraud/cheating is exist and in-process,i don't believe CSOD (Casino and Security Operation Department) A.M. like Mr Chan,Mr Lim or Ravi are so dumb like what you said. If they suspect a croupier involve in cheat at the roulette table,i believe the same guy/girl won't be the Roulette croupier forever,they just assign you to the card game. They will investigate your closed friend who is also croupier as well to see if there is more partners in this scam. That is the common sense of Casino and Security Operation Department. In Stephen Chow movie got alot of cheat lah,but in real life casino? NO WAY.

After reviewed your argument with Shahjees,sorry to say that i am more on Shahjees side. Unless your Croupier friend knows Jedi Master's Force or the Dark Force of Sith,otherwise i don't believe any cheat manipulation in Rouletter by any croupier. If your friend really do have that kind of magic skill,please contact me as i will take out 100k capital to partner up with him,he takes 90% winning while i take 10% already enough. I can make him millionaire within a month. Roulette manipulation? It is an urban legend rather than a fact.
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QUOTE(jasonlim88 @ Dec 3 2007, 08:56 AM)

I don't think cheating in Casino de Genting is possible. There are alot big "eye in the sky" which able zoom in to see the time on your watch. Furthermore,those guys in Casino and Security Operation Department are very experience experts,especially their S.V.P (Senior Vice President) Lim Eng Ming with more than 30 yrs experience in casino business. Nowaday,casinos are well connected,once you got caught in a casino,your face and picture will be stick in the Security Department in the casino all over the world. As i know those guys in CSOD quite efficient,any ban-patron re-enter the casino would be caught for trespassing within 10 minutes. The guys in CSOD always exchange information with other casino on fraud/cheat matter,not to forget they have million of dollars to purchase the hightech equipment and employ best guy to detect in-process fraud/cheating. Just don't play-play,these CSOD guys are not as dumb as you think.

100 million toss coin bet
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I was just wondering... can those security catch cheater using slight of hand in a poker game. Don't ask me how though lol, I don't play poker. Just wondering how they catch such cheaters.

people who are professional in it can do real good slight such as wave the hand across the card to switch it using palming, and then sleeving it away.
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QUOTE(jasonlim88 @ Dec 2 2007, 11:32 PM)
Well,i am not a high stake gambler but i do have a 21R Silver GWC.
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How do u get/upgrade to silver GWC card?

There is a difference category of Silver GWC card by the numbering in the silver card. what is the different?

What is the benefits of having silver GWC card?

How to upgrade to gold GWC card?


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QUOTE(jasonlim88 @ Dec 3 2007, 12:44 AM)
Frankly,i wasn't a high roller patron at all,because i only place bet from RM100 to RM2000 each hand.
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Wah Rm100 to RM2000 each hand is a lot. Majority of time u win or loss? what is yr biggest winning encounter?

Just wondering how do rich people bring so much money to gamble? thru what kinds of ways (eg cashout from casino cashier. thru the casino cashier is there any ways of taking cash out besides credit card/ atm card and is there any hidden charges incurred and what is the maximum cash to take out? or just bring cash?

i think it is a kind of club for u to hang out right. entertainment...

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QUOTE(Hornet @ Dec 3 2007, 12:50 PM)
I was just wondering... can those security catch cheater using slight of hand in a poker game. Don't ask me how though lol, I don't play poker. Just wondering how they catch such cheaters.

people who are professional in it can do real good slight such as wave the hand across the card to switch it using palming, and then sleeving it away.
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In my point of view,CSOD (Security Dept) usually catch cheater thru three ways :

(a) Follow the money

If the guy places an unsual high stake bet,usually the pit boss will asks GWC from him to login the table system so the CSOD peoples can trace his record and betting history to verify whether this guy is a valid punter or cheater. If them think this guy got something tak betul,they just monitoring him closely and send a team of PB (Polis Bantuan) take him to security office if neccesary. The CSOD interrogation office located next to the Circus Palace entrance and next to the middle Starworld entrance (beside the toilet).

(b) Complaint from pit boss or croupier

These peoples who makan gaji with Casino de Genting will alert CSOD if something wrong happened.

© Tip off from public

Someone can call anonymous casino tip off line to alert the cheating and claim bonus.

Their cctv got slow motion monitoring mah,sure can see the card movement,unless you are David Copperfield apprentice or world class cheater lah then that is different story.. tongue.gif


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i dislike gambling especially like genting ! If you understand how gambling works u wont gamble. You only gamble for a 1% chance to win ! The casino makes like few million and he let 1 million back to winner. They make 10millions give back 1million they make 9 mil. What you are doing is just buying a hope to win. Good luck


Imagine this if u took the money and put in some investment or run some business there's a higher possibility for u to make more money. But gambling is either chance/luck or something

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QUOTE(ankw @ Dec 3 2007, 01:41 PM)
How do u get/upgrade to silver GWC card?

There is a difference category of Silver GWC card by the numbering in the silver card.  what is the different?

What is the benefits of having silver GWC card?

How to upgrade to gold GWC card?
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I placed 2k per hand on Baccarat three years ago,then the A.M. gave me a form with his recommendation to upgrade the Silver GWC at the GWC Centre outside Circus Palace. These pit boss hoh,tengok money only. If you keep betting more than 1k chip each hand like small matter,they will give you silver GWC. Maybe you can tell the pit boss "captain,i got 20k in my pocket now and i wanna show-hand one shot,these table limit 7k kacang putih,give me a silver GWC..!! " sweat.gif

Not much different. As i know when you first get the silver GWC you been assigned "28",which mean you can't bring two green GWC member to IR like other "21" does,futhermore you need to masuk IR for certain times and accumulate certain points in a year to be able renew your silver GWC to "21" next year.

The benefits ah,naik skyway no need q-up at skyway station,can park your car at Highland Hotel car park,masuk IR. Actually IR there also not so special,just the environment more better only. Got some terra cotta warriors at the entrance,four stupid dragon at the front and end of IR,got 5k yellow chip exchange,all RM100 note cashout at cashier cage,toilet cleaner,mango/peach juice more delicious.. thumbup.gif

How to upgrade to gold GWC? No idea and i don't care neither. I heard inside VIP there got alot of ghost,seldom got people win money there. Maybe got dracula,blood sucker,kiong see,small ghost,guai zai inside? sweat.gif


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QUOTE(ankw @ Dec 3 2007, 01:46 PM)
Wah Rm100 to RM2000 each hand is a lot. Majority of time u win or loss? what is yr biggest winning encounter?

Just wondering how do rich people bring so much money to gamble? thru what kinds of ways (eg  cashout from casino cashier. thru the casino cashier is there any ways of taking cash out besides credit card/ atm card and is there any hidden charges incurred and what is the maximum cash to take out? or just bring cash?

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Usually i bring 2-3k to casino bok sat,most of the time i place RM200 just like other people did. Maybe to some people RM200 just kacang putih amount,but if losing streak happened RM1000 may gone within 5 minutes. Frankly,most of the time i loss. The reason very simple,because i am greedy just like most gamblers. Everytime i wanna win at least 5k,otherwise i won't turun bukit. Biggest winning in one day? 13k. Luck is very important,when you are in damn good luck,whatever you bet you will win. There got one Baccarat shoe i won 42 hands loss 19 hands with RM500 per hand. That was definitely Player shoe,all red color one,so i just keep bet player like other peoples,team spirit. Then got one time i bet RM100 after opening shoe PPBBBP,i guess that was good shoe so i just double-up (ma zhu xiong)..the outcome? RM100 turn into RM6400,sixty-four times..the result PPBBBPPPPPPPPB..because that's 7k limit table,i can't bet RM6400 anymore,so i just bet RM100 next hand and masuk pocket RM6300 the winning..Most of the time we will lose in Baccarat,but sometime the trend definitely predictable,either whole shoe Banker or hampir semua Player or long streaks..I guess those always play Baccarat understand what i mean..That is the damn time the odds in favor of our side but not Uncle Lim..When the shoe cantik,hantam kao kao;when the shoe teruk,cabut lari cepat.. sweat.gif

ATM card withdrawal thru cashier cage is up to 5k or your bank limit,credit card up to 15k with 1.6% charged by casino..How do rich people bring so much money to gamble? Bring cash lah,some of them even with whole briefcase full of RM100 note. Just go to cashier cage,throw all the money into the box,within 5 minutes the cashier will gives you 10k value red crystal chips. Some of them just keep the crystal chips,write down the serial number on the chips,bring it home and bring back to casino next time,no need bring cash loh. In case the crystal chips kena curi,just call Casino de Genting to suspend that particular serial number crystal chips loh,simple. Cash out huge amount of money? The casino writes a cheque for you loh,or bank transfer to your account also can. It just a small matter,just afraid you don't have any money to cash out.. cool2.gif


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QUOTE(jasonlim88 @ Dec 3 2007, 03:52 PM)
In my point of view,CSOD (Security Dept) usually catch cheater thru three ways :

(a) Follow the money

If the guy places an unsual high stake bet,usually the pit boss will asks GWC from him to login the table system so the CSOD peoples can trace his record and betting history to verify whether this guy is a valid punter or cheater. If them think this guy got something tak betul,they just monitoring him closely and send a team of PB (Polis Bantuan) take him to security office if neccesary. The CSOD interrogation office located next to the Circus Palace entrance and next to the middle Starworld entrance (beside the toilet).

(b) Complaint from pit boss or croupier

These peoples who makan gaji with Casino de Genting will alert CSOD if something wrong happened.

(C) Tip off from public

Someone can call anonymous casino tip off line to alert the cheating and claim bonus.

Their cctv got slow motion monitoring mah,sure can see the card movement,unless you are David Copperfield apprentice or world class cheater lah then that is different story..  tongue.gif
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thanks alot. appreciate all your insight on those security things (all your other post as well) notworthy.gif
Not that I want to cheat lol. Just curious how they handle cheaters.
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QUOTE(jasonlim88 @ Dec 3 2007, 05:24 PM)
ATM card withdrawal thru cashier cage is up to 5k or your bank limit,credit card up to 15k with 1.6% charged by casino. Just go to cashier cage,throw all the money into the box,within 5 minutes the cashier will gives you 10k value red crystal chips. Some of them just keep the crystal chips,write down the serial number on the chips,bring it home and bring back to casino next time,no need bring cash loh. In case the crystal chips kena curi,just call Casino de Genting to suspend that particular serial number crystal chips loh,simple. Cash out huge amount of money? The casino writes a cheque for you loh,or bank transfer to your account also can. It just a small matter,just afraid you don't have any money to cash out..  cool2.gif
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there are alot of different worldcard silver card. some ending with 21, 21(9), 21(1), V etc. what is the different among them.
regarding the atm card withdrawal is there any surcharge for withdrawal?
what is crystal chips? what is the different between the crystal chip and the betting chips?
why do some people would want to take crystal chips home instead of money?
what if rich people want to take millions of money to gamble?
what denomination does crystal chip have?
what is the min amount cash out in order to the casino to write cheque or bankin?
with silver card must be collecting alot of genting points than the green card? is it?
how does the genting points being given to the players, green card or silver? according to what system?
till today how much have being invested in gambling win or loss estimate?
Have u enter those vip or vvip rooms before and what is like in the rooms? what is there min bet or max bet per hand?

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QUOTE(ankw @ Dec 3 2007, 06:27 PM)
there are alot of different worldcard silver card. some ending with 21, 21(9), 21(1), V etc. what is the different among them.

regarding the atm card withdrawal is there any surcharge for withdrawal?

what is crystal chips? what is the different between the crystal chip and the betting chips?
why do some people would want to take crystal chips home instead of money?
what if rich people want to take millions of money to gamble?

what denomination does crystal chip have?

what is the min amount cash out in order to the casino to write cheque or bankin?

with silver card must be collecting alot of genting points than the green card? is it?

how does the genting points being given to the players, green card or silver? according to what system?

Have u enter those vip or vvip rooms before and what is like in the rooms? what is there min bet or max bet per hand?
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I don't know what are the differences between silver GWC 21,21(9),21(1) or else. As long as i can use it to masuk IR or no need to q-up for skyway on the weekend that is good card.

ATM card withdrawal at cashier cage has no surcharge.

How to describe leh,you go cashier cage ask the cashier lenglui show you the 10k value crystal chip lah. Just tell her she is very pretty,i bet the cashier girl will more than happy show the crystal chip to you for 2 seconds. You throw your hard earn money at least 10k into cashier cage box,the cashier will gives you one red color 10k value crystal chip,throw the crystal chip on the betting table to change it to betting chips then you can start either you hantam Uncle Lim kao kao or Uncle Lim sapu all you money.

The crystal chip denomination got 10k red color one and 1k blue color. Because some peoples don't wanna carry 100k cash (1000 pieces RM100 note) go home and come to casino next time mah,so they just carry 10 pieces 10k crystal chips loh,convenient.

So you think millionaire will simply bring million of dollars in cash to casino to gamble? Sure no lah. There are two options for super-rich,one is casino junket while another is Resort World Berhad - Casino Marketing Department. In the Grand Lisboa Macau,you can't even go into some private room without introduce by casino junket. As i know this casino junket can takes credit one,which mean you deposit money into their company account,then their man inside the casino will gives you cash chips. While the RWB's Casino Marketing Department lead by their S.V.P. Jeffrery Teoh will handle all your transportation,accomodation,F&B needs. Don't worry,if you are a high roller punter,these casino junket and casino marketing guys will come to you and not you go find them. They want your money..!! laugh.gif

Want casino writes you a cheque? I don't know but at least 100k gua. I did saw an uncle cash out 130k then go bank-in at Maybank downstair,nowaday where got peoples take huge money turun bukit one,throw all the money into cash deposit machine at Maybank or CIMB lah,or Public Bank in First World Hotel also can. One of the reason besides safety is because those rich-rich peoples wanna legalize their winning with casino cheque to prevent LHDN investigate their mystical income.

Aiya those Genting Points useless one lah,if they give you spend it reserve room loh,if they don't give forget about it loh. Want the Genting Points for what?! Want money mah..!! hmm.gif

The VIP room got two entrance,one beside the IR Bureau de Change and another at the Highland Hotel lobby. Unlike oriental theme in IR,it is Rome theme in VIP room. Baccarat in VIP will gives the highest bet punter see the cards slowly himself rather than the croupier opens for you in IR. If not mistaken the min bet is RM200 while the max bet is RM200k. VIP room is the place where most peoples loss all their business or property and jump off Ulu Kali hill,probably because too many ghosts inside? hmm.gif


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QUOTE(jasonlim88 @ Dec 3 2007, 08:28 PM)
I don't know what are the differences between silver GWC 21,21(9),21(1) or else. As long as i can use it to masuk IR or no need to q-up for skyway on the weekend that is good card.

ATM card withdrawal at cashier cage has no surcharge.

How to describe leh,you go cashier cage ask the cashier lenglui show you the 10k value crystal chip lah. Just tell her she is very pretty,i bet the cashier girl will more than happy show the crystal chip to you for 2 seconds. You throw your hard earn money at least 10k into cashier cage box,the cashier will gives you one red color 10k value crystal chip,throw the crystal chip on the betting table to change it to betting chips then you can start either you hantam Uncle Lim kao kao or Uncle Lim sapu all you money.

The crystal chip denomination got 10k red color one and 1k blue color. Because some peoples don't wanna carry 100k cash (1000 pieces RM100 note) go home and come to casino next time mah,so they just carry 10 pieces 10k crystal chips loh,convenient.

So you think millionaire will simply bring million of dollars in cash to casino to gamble? Sure no lah. There are two options for super-rich,one is casino junket while another is Resort World Berhad - Casino Marketing Department. In the Grand Lisboa Macau,you can't even go into some private room without introduce by casino junket. As i know this casino junket can takes credit one,which mean you deposit money into their company account,then their man inside the casino will gives you cash chips. While the RWB's Casino Marketing Department lead by their S.V.P. Jeffrery Teoh will handle all your transportation,accomodation,F&B needs. Don't worry,if you are a high roller punter,these casino junket and casino marketing guys will come to you and not you go find them. They want your money..!!  laugh.gif

Want casino writes you a cheque? I don't know but at least 100k gua. I did saw an uncle cash out 130k then go bank-in at Maybank downstair,nowaday where got peoples take huge money turun bukit one,throw all the money into cash deposit machine at Maybank or CIMB lah,or Public Bank in First World Hotel also can. One of the reason besides safety is because those rich-rich peoples wanna legalize their winning with casino cheque to prevent LHDN investigate their mystical income.

Aiya those Genting Points useless one lah,if they give you spend it reserve room loh,if they don't give forget about it loh. Want the Genting Points for what?! Want money mah..!!  hmm.gif

The VIP room got two entrance,one beside the IR Bureau de Change and another at the Highland Hotel lobby. Unlike oriental theme in IR,it is Rome theme in VIP room. Baccarat in VIP will gives the highest bet punter see the cards slowly himself rather than the croupier opens for you in IR. If not mistaken the min bet is RM200 while the max bet is RM200k. VIP room is the place where most peoples loss all their business or property and jump off Ulu Kali hill,probably because too many ghosts inside?  hmm.gif
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u mean any different bank ATM Card no surcharge? No MEPS charges?
Withdrawal is according per transaction or to max perday withdrawal?

what is casino junket? what is the min deposit in to the account?
can silver card holder go into VIP room?
have u ever try to play in VIP ROOM? is the service and food there better?

do u need to maintain a certain genting point in order to maintain the silver card?
how many points need to maintain?
How many genting points accumulated per trip or perday?
How many genting points u have? 10k points


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What is junket?

How much can withdraw per day from the casino cage and hidden surcharge eg mep charges etc?

Regarding the genting points how much can accumulate per day maximum?

How much points do u have 5,000 genting points, etc

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often need to follow people in bacarrat game. Then you can win.
I follow 1 apek last time in bacarrat, and win a lot.
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QUOTE(hatekiasuppl @ Dec 6 2007, 02:21 PM)
often need to follow people in bacarrat game. Then you can win.
I follow 1 apek last time in bacarrat, and win a lot.
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its just your lucky day.....I believe not every time follow others may win big
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Is true, that gamble majority always lose. But i do believe some people are born to gamble. They do have the luck to win this kind of money. In chinese we call this "Wang Choi". This kind of people are born lucky in gambling.

No matter wat, always take gambling as entertainment...there is no such thing as sure win situation

Anyhow a bit about Genting...

To get silver card, you need to be a quite an outstanding player. U bet a lot and get notice...then the Assistant Manager will... Mr do you have a silver card. If you don't want to apply? He/She recommend u to go into the IR room (International Room). Inside u got free drinks. Food still have to pay.

Gold Card. Is something not everyone can get...u need to be have certain amount of turnover in a year. U go into the VIP room u eat free.

Platinum Card holder, u gamble damn keng...each round bring 200k and fight with genting. also got the same benefit as gold. U never run out of hotel room. Coz resort will allocated some room just for the gold and plat players. Like festival season. U call in and ask...got room?? they sure say fully book. If u are a plat holder...they sure have 4 u.

Another Room...which is call Maxin Room. No Card can enter this room. Is by invitation only. U need to bring million to play here. each bet min will be 20k to 300k for blackjack. Eat free...u want abalon also can makan. Most of the player are millionare all around malaysia...all races. The last time i heard from my brother in law is that...he seen a general from myanmar. Showing off...each bet 100k. End of the day lost 5 mil MYR. No feel...for them...money donno where it come from also.

Then the question is...why so many malaysian chinese business man go to genting? This is one way of getting away of income tax also. Imagine u put in 200k to gamble...u win o ready. u got around 600k. back home...genting won't ask u to bring cash of 600k. They give u cheque...this cheque u can photo copy...incase IRB know on your door...say...how come u got money to buy BMW. Show them Uncle Lim Check. I won money from genting cannot ah. Turn one round money clean liow...
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Patiently wait for good table. Dragon table sure win
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Roulette chance is the best after all the observation. No double...if the dealer who throw the ball, "Chin Chai" wanted to help u out. Some dealer...they don't mind let u win. Just wanted to be nice that kind. Not all like that...but some in good mood they smile to you. See u lose so much they will try to help u out let u win...they will help to throw into the sector that you buying. Is very common in genting...if u notice.

After all they just makan gaji. U win or lose...they still get the basic pay.

I have a friend who just came back from Aust...he went to one casino in gold coast. Is around 1am...the dealer was going off soon. He ask my friend, sir...how much money do u need only will statisfy u for tonight. My friend say 2k Aust. He really help my friend to get 2k...then my friend leave...In aust, no problem. I guess if in malaysia u do that...the dealer...will sure transfer to other table like blackjack or other non rollette related job..



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I wonder how much the people (just in this thread) has lost to genting laugh.gif
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Muahahahha a lot..majority. Will lose...very simple logic actually...if u bring 10k to win RM100 is easy. That is like 1 percent of your total investment. If u bring RM100 and want to win back RM50. That is 50% return.

Always calculate how much return u having not the amount u have.
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Always have confident in what u gamble
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QUOTE(Velocity @ Dec 3 2007, 03:55 PM)
The casino makes like few million and he let 1 million back to winner. They make 10millions give back 1million they make 9 mil.  What you are doing is just buying a hope to win.
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To be more correct,Casino de Genting taken RM2,500,000,000 (2.5 billion) from gamblers last year,but Casino de Genting NEVER GIVE BACK ANY F**K**G MONEY TO GAMBLERS. EVERYONE IS LOSER EXCEPT CASINO.
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QUOTE(jasonlim88 @ Dec 7 2007, 09:56 PM)
To be more correct,Casino de Genting taken RM2,500,000,000 (2.5 billion) from gamblers last year,but Casino de Genting NEVER GIVE BACK ANY F**K**G MONEY TO GAMBLERS. EVERYONE IS LOSER EXCEPT CASINO.
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hehehe, we all know that the casinos are undisputable bastards of all champions worldwide.
but it is getting interesting to learn that the casinos games, roulette specially have become
the punching bags for young internet savvy punters worldwide trying maximize the winnings when the odds are
NOT against them... brows.gif

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Always should have Fighting spirit. Never lose out in the fighting spirit. There is always influence in the game stay focus. eg (Over limit of a table and need to cut, quarreling among player, throwing card, pantang stuff, waiting Impatient, changing money in the table, scare inside yr heart and scare to lose, B6 game, tie game, stepping on shoes, no mood bcos loss alot earlier, no longer have fighting spirit, change dealer and supervisor between interval, dealer taking out chips from table etc), going to toilet, alot of prediction from gamblers, etc. all this make people lose focus and concentration to play the next round.

This technics/rules that make people dont know what to put or play (Confuss).

There is always a devil among inner self and that control u. More of the people are scare bcos have loss a lot but insist to play and fight back but their accuracy judgement have drop alot due to some resistant in them.

eg. capital rm10k to gamble

Already loss rm7k remainder rm3k. majority of their fighting spirit is gone due to their losses/influences along the game. In order to win back have to play big bcos not every round the player win and the risk is greater if play big to gain back the capital. It goes up abit and down alot. What happen if it loss some more, rm3k also gone or even more.

When their next trip if the players bring another rm10 capital, loss again, then their loss is more greater. Their is for sure a scare feeling in them and a resistant of 50 50 percent. want to play but scare to lose again but want to win back their previous losses. Alot of mixed feeling. Thats is very dangerous in gambling.

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Thats true. no confident dont play
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Must have a positive and fighting spirit in which area of work or game.

without fighting spirit and easy to giveup, sure totally lose.

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yeah ... many of them never giveup they just keep playing and playing the same old losing technics again and again . .
they have all the traits of perfect losers regardless of how big or small their starting bankroll is wink.gif

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have to change in the technics to gamble. have to change to form of playing from time to time.
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take it as a game
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Have to Change the way of playing according to the game or pattern in order to win
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agree have to change according to pattern play in order to win
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ermm..never ever b the 1st to open any table that the dealer stands there wthout any customers playing at that table..

dun go to table that most customers r losing..y?the dealer is killer not Prosperity God..

dun try to cheat..u r risking ur future..CCTV in casinos r high tech..

if playing roulette,bets on numbers that near the num that u tink will b the winning num even u tink its not a nice num..
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QUOTE(samantha0607 @ Dec 29 2007, 09:59 PM)
ermm..never ever b the 1st to open any table that the dealer stands there wthout any customers playing at that table..

dun go to table that most customers r losing..y?the dealer is killer not Prosperity God..

dun try to cheat..u r risking ur future..CCTV in casinos r high tech..

if playing roulette,bets on numbers that near the num that u tink will b the winning num even u tink its not a nice num..
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Looks guys... there's NO such things as Feng Shui, Toyol, Baccarat Pattern & Luck in the game of baccarat.
Genting beats us is based on pure Maths.
I've been gambling for the past 2 years and each time I pocket RM1000. I visit Genting 4 times a week.
I will ignore all the "pantang larang" and I still walked out of the casino as a winner.
I saw in the earlier post, some guys suggested the Martingale betting system i.e. 1,2,4,8,16,32 ... ect...
This is DISASTEROUS!! You may be steadily collecting your winning and when you lose (which is highly possible),
you will loose all you have collected so far.
I will reveal how I rake money from Genting... but I can give you some tips and you work from here.
When I started gambling, no one thought me... I learn and simulate millions of baccarat shoes with all the possible
combination, money management, progression... and I'm now enjoying the effort put in.

1. You need RANDOM to beat RANDOMNESS... go figure out how to do this.
2. You need a GOOD money management system. In the martingale system, 8 progression of RM100 will
amount to RM25,500.00. Believe me, losing 8 decisions in a row is common! My money management system
can withstand 13 progression and and is only costs 2300.00 and each win, I still win RM100. I've not lost
13 decisions in a row. The most (in the past 2 years), I've experienced 9 lost in a row. Therefore, is very hard
for one to loose if your progression can withstand 13.
And forget about Labby progression, D'Alem, Fibo & etc... these are all disaster!!
3. Patience is very important and never be greedy.

I've seen people winning by the thousands... while I'm steadily collecting RM100 every now and then. After 3 or 4 hours
of play, those guys who won earlier, have all given back their winning to the casino and now risking their own bankroll.
As for me.... my bankroll keeps increasing. So, never envy them. Follow strictly to your game play and you will walk out
as a winner.

Who say you can WIN consistently in Gambling??

Happy winnings....

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QUOTE(hlkhoo @ Dec 31 2007, 12:17 PM)
Looks guys... there's NO such things as Feng Shui, Toyol, Baccarat Pattern & Luck in the game of baccarat.
Genting beats us is based on pure Maths.
I've been gambling for the past 2 years and each time I pocket RM1000. I visit Genting 4 times a week.
I will ignore all the "pantang larang" and I still walked out of the casino as a winner.
I saw in the earlier post, some guys suggested the Martingale betting system i.e. 1,2,4,8,16,32 ... ect...
This is DISASTEROUS!!  You may be steadily collecting your winning and when you lose (which is highly possible),
you will loose all you have collected so far.
I will reveal how I rake money from Genting... but I can give you some tips and you work from here.
When I started gambling, no one thought me... I learn and simulate millions of baccarat shoes with all the possible
combination, money management, progression... and I'm now enjoying the effort put in.

1. You need RANDOM to beat RANDOMNESS... go figure out how to do this.
2. You need a GOOD money management system. In the martingale system, 8 progression of RM100 will
    amount to RM25,500.00. Believe me, losing 8 decisions in a row is common! My money management system
    can withstand 13 progression and and is only costs 2300.00 and each win, I still win RM100. I've not lost
    13 decisions in a row. The most (in the past 2 years), I've experienced 9 lost in a row. Therefore, is very hard
    for one to loose if your progression can withstand 13.
    And forget about Labby progression, D'Alem, Fibo & etc... these are all disaster!!
3. Patience is very important and never be greedy.

I've seen people winning by the thousands... while I'm steadily collecting RM100 every now and then. After 3 or 4 hours
of play, those guys who won earlier, have all given back their winning to the casino and now risking their own bankroll.
As for me.... my bankroll keeps increasing. So, never envy them. Follow strictly to your game play and you will walk out
as a winner.

Who say you can WIN consistently in Gambling??

Happy winnings....
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QUOTE(beebee @ Dec 31 2007, 12:33 PM)
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ok... for a start, go and study "pascal triangle". Goto google and search for this keyword
and try to understand. After that, you really got to put on your thinking cap and see how
to apply in the gambling world!

To beat gambling, you need maths. And not LUCK!
I dont need luck when I go genting.


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QUOTE(hlkhoo @ Dec 31 2007, 02:57 PM)
ok... for a start, go and study "pascal triangle". Goto google and search for this keyword
and try to understand. After that, you really got to put on your thinking cap and see how
to apply in the gambling world!

To beat gambling, you need maths. And not LUCK!
I dont need luck when I go genting.
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Now, when I talked about Maths, try to think from this angle:-
What is the possibility of losing 13 decisions in a row?
Ok, you may say is still possible, and I dont denied it. I've simulated
hundreds of thousands of hands and even though I just bet blindly (Without looking
at the scoreboard),
is still very hard for me to loose 13 decisions in a row.
THIS IS MATHS!!
THE PROBABLITY OF AN EVENT TO OCCUR AGAINST YOUR BET SELECTION FOR 13 DECISIONS IN A ROW.

You want to know what's the probablity? Ok, let's not take 13 as an example. Just take 5 decisions.
In order for you to loose 5 decisions in a row, if you compute the probablity, it will be:
0.5 x 0.5 x 0.5 x 0.5 x 0.5 = 0.03125%
In other words, you will have approx. 97% winning rate. Just imagine what will be the probablity of losing
if you found a way to extend to 13.

if you post this questions to a Mathematician (GURU or GENIUS), he will tell you, whether it's 5 decision
or 13 decision, each outcome is still 0.5. Therefore, the GURU may say, 0.03125% probability is NOT valid.
In theory, he's right. Each decision is solely independant and past decision has NO effect on Future decision.
But in reality, it's very UNLIKELY to lose 13 decision in a row.

Just to give you another example, what's the possibility of tossing a coin (fair coin) and lands 100 times
consequetively a HEAD results?
You will say - NOT possible. I agree with you.
But in Maths, each coin tossing the probability is still 0.5 and therefore, in maths (theroy) is possible to
100 HEAD results based on 100 times tossing a coin.
But in reality, have you ever experience that? You probably will never until the end of this universe.

So, you see, we attack the baccarat game using Maths!

You really gotta think hard if you want to succeed in gambling. It took me years to visualise all these
things that I've just mentioned to you. I've shown you 50% of the way to successful in gambling, you
need to solve the puzzle for the remaining 50%.

Happy winnings...

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anymore tip to share?

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Dont really understand the tehnics u mention can u elaborate more
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QUOTE(mlpk @ Jan 3 2008, 01:13 PM)
Dont really understand the tehnics u mention can u elaborate more
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Looks guys... you gotta think hard. There's no easy way out!
Like I've said before, I started with zero base knowledge and
I discover it piece by piece along the way and no one has ever
given me an idea of how to start and what to look for.
However, here in this forum, I have given you the starting point
and you should do some research/homework yourself. You will
never get the answers within one or 2 weeks. YOu need time and
time to test, refine, improve, test, refine & so on.
You want to make the kinda of money I made, then you got to
put in extra effort!



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Mr Khoo (hlkhoo)

YOU SYSTEM SEEMS ABLE TO WITHSTAND 13 PROGRESSION BUT ONLY LOSE UP TO $2300 ASSUMING YOUR THREHOLD IS $100...THATS INCREDIBLE...ARE YOU USING ANTI MARTINGALE, MEANNING WHEN YOU WIN, YOU PROGRESS DOUBLE UP, FOR EXAMPLE, WIN 100, NEXT HAND PUT 200 AND IF WIN AGAIN, NEXT HAND PUT 400 AND IF WIN AGAIN, NEXT HAND PUT 800??

YOU HAVE MENTIONED PASCAL TRIANGLE...IS YOUR PROGRESSION DURING WIN IS CLOSELY RELATED TO PASCAL TRIANGLE THEORY?? MAY I KNOW WHAT KIND OF APPROACH WHEN YOU LOSE...ARE YOU KEEPING FLAT BET LIKE....1,1,1,1,1 DURING YOUR BAD LUCK TIME???

HOPING YOU COULD SHARE OUT YOUR VALUABLE IDEAS...THANKS...
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SAMPLE PASCAL TRIANGLE CAN BE FOUND ON:

http://mathforum.org/workshops/usi/pascal/petals_pascal.html

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QUOTE(MrAndyLau @ Jan 3 2008, 10:08 PM)
MrAndyLau,
Lost?
I've not come across where I lost 13 decisions in a row. If this ever happens, I really dont know how should
I recoup back my loses of 2300. But in reality, I've NOT lost!!
Even though comes the day if I were to lost all 13 decisions, it's still fine with me coz, I've been collecting
many many folds of 2300 and losing back once, is absolutely fine!
About your questions, flat bet .. NEVER flat bet. Flat bet will never bring you anywhere. Eventually, by flat-betting
alone, you will lose. Is just a matter of time.
Whether it's Martingale or Anti-Martingale, it's DISASTER!
You were saying keep doubling up as you are winning, this method of play is really harmful. If you lose 1 decision,
you gave back what you have collected + your initial RM100 capital. So you are back to square one again!

Think .. think...

Sorry, I will NOT reveal my full game plan and I dont intend to sell it either.
You just gotta put in lots lots of effort and willing to risk $$$ in order to succeed.

Maybe, one of my added advantage is I'm a very talented computer programmer. I can just program anything,
any logic, any system in the world. I've written at least 100++ simulation programs on baccarat and tested countless of hours
just to get to what I am today. I've have at least 300+ gambling ebooks (some purchase, some trade-off) and study all
of them to get ideas. Then combine these ideas from various authors and put it into a computer program and test.
If one combinations is not working, keep looking for others combination i.e. be it money management/ bet selection/ progression.

So you see, it's certainly no easy work. I'm not trying to discourage you, but I want to tell you it's possible to
find a way to beat EVEN CHANCE game consistently.

I was at genting last night. Made my target of 10 units in 1.5 hours and went home.

Happy winnings...


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if u hav enough $
gamble like this lo
1-2-4-8-16 and so on
once u win u leave
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need more tips please together fatt
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hlkhoo can follow u up genting, observe u play? hehe
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13 progression and cost only 2300, with rm100 each winning?

Are you playing with 1 pays 6? If 1 pay 1(odd-even), how could that be?
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Based on what you had summarized, you have prepare 2300 units as capital. You are anti flat bet during lose, but you anti-martingale as well, so i guess when you lose, you keep add up ante but not as crazy as martingale way of 1,2,4,8,16 maybe in a mild way such as 1,1,1,2,3,5.8.... since you are not using martingale system, if you had accumulated lose 10 hands in a row and win on hand 11th, you still lose a lot from hand 1st till 10th, maybe you are waiting to win x hands in a row just to recover back all the lose plus one or more unit as target win. In order to do that, since you are anti reverse martingale as well, i guess you execute the reverse martingale in a more save way such as 1,2,2,4,7,13... or whatever...

This is merely my prediction on your method of playing...please comment on my prediction whether am i right or close to your actual action plan, or am i totally deviate from your method...thanks a lot and have a nice day...

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QUOTE(t0p_man @ Jan 4 2008, 04:59 PM)
13 progression and cost only 2300, with rm100 each winning?

Are you playing with 1 pays 6? If 1 pay 1(odd-even), how could that be?
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haha.. you guys keep thinking of a martingale system. If you still look from
that angle, you will never find 13 progression!!
some of you say FATT together? I'm already kind enough to show you the
first step and also the right way to develop a 13 step progression.
All you need is to put in the hard work like what I did.
I dont think anyone in this forum has even tried 1% of what I did. So, again,
you really got to work it out.
If you manage to find the answers, congratulation. Otherwise, it will never be
FOREVER!
Follow me to genting & observe me play?
Well, I'm not trying to be selfish here. Otherwise I would not have given you
so much tips. This is something I work very very hard and I beleive I have
the right NOT to reveal it.

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QUOTE(MrAndyLau @ Jan 4 2008, 09:03 PM)
Mr Khoo (hlkhoo)

Based on what you had summarized, you have prepare 2300 units as capital.  You are anti flat bet during lose, but you anti-martingale as well, so i guess when you lose, you keep add up ante but not as crazy as martingale way of 1,2,4,8,16 maybe in a mild way such as 1,1,1,2,3,5.8.... since you are not using martingale system, if you had accumulated lose 10 hands in a row and win on hand 11th, you still lose a lot from hand 1st till 10th, maybe you are waiting to win x hands in a row just to recover back all the lose plus one or more unit as target win. In order to do that, since you are anti reverse martingale as well, i guess you execute the reverse martingale in a more save way such as 1,2,2,4,7,13... or whatever...

This is merely my prediction on your method of playing...please comment on my prediction whether am i right or close to your actual action plan, or am i totally deviate from your method...thanks a lot and have a nice day...
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AndyLau... you are on the right track but if you go for 1,2,2,4,7,13 (for 13 step progression) it can be very very steep!
Keep working on your string & refine them...
good work!!
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THANKS MR KHOO (HLKHOO), I DIDN'T EXPECT YOU TO REVEAL YOUR WHOLE SYSTEM, BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALREADY COOKED FOR OUR LUNCH,PREPARED THE SPOON, FORK, CHOPSTICK AND ITS NOT FAIR WE WANT YOU TO FEED US STRAIGHT TO THE MOUTH...

HERE I WOULD LIKE TO SUMMARIZE A GOOD SYSTEM:

1) WHEN YOU ENCOUNTER LOSING STREAK SUCH AS -,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,- OF TOTAL 12 HANDS, YOU SYSTEM SHOULD ABLE TO SUSTAIN IT...MEANING NOT LIKE MARTINGALE 1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048 WHICH ALREADY LOSING DAMN LOT WHICH EXCEED TABLE LIMIT!!!

2) WHEN YOU ENCOUNTER NOT SO LUCKY STREAK SUCH AS -,-,+,-,-,-,+,+,-,-, YOUR SYSTEM WOULD NOT BE HURT A LOT...MEANING THAT IF YOU UNSUCCESSFUL DOUBLE UP AFTER WIN.

3) WHEN YOU ENCOUNTER GOOD LUCK STREAK SUCH AS +++,--,++++,--,++++,---,+++ DO YOUR SYSTEM REALLY WIN YOU A LOT TO RECOVER ALL ACCUMULATED LOSS??

SO MY SUGGESTION ON GOOD SYSTEM IS THAT:
1) SLOWLY PROGRESS DURING LOSS (BAD STREAM TIME), USE 1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5,6,6 IS NOT A BAD CHOICE.

2) WINNING TWO HANDS IN A ROW SHOULD COVER CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF ACCUMULATED LOSS...ITS EASY TO WIN 2 HANDS IN A ROW COMPARE TO THREE HANDS AND ABOVE...I MEANS I DIDN'T TRUST TOO MUCH OF WINNING 3 HANDS IN A ROW OR ABOVE IN THE NEXT HAND...

3) WHEN THE LUCK COMES, YOU MUST CATCH IT...BUT HOW??? FOR EXAMPLE, WINNING TWO HANDS IN A ROW SHOULD RECOVER BACK 60% OF ACCUMULATED LOSE, SO FIRST HAND SHOULD PUT 20% OF TOTAL ACCUMULATED LOSE ANTE, THE SECOND HAND SHOULD PUT 40% OF TOTAL ACCUMULATED LOSE ANTE, I DIDN'T TRUST THIRD HANDS ONWARD, SO THIRD HAND I ONLY BET 10% OF TOTAL ACCUMULATED LOSE AND IF I STILL WIN, IN THE FORTH HAND I PUT REMAINING 30% OF TOTAL LOSE...IF I MANAGE WIN FOUR HAND IN A ROW, I RECOVER BACK ALL LOSE...IF I MANAGE WIN THREE HANDS IN A ROW, I STILL ABLE RECOVER 40% OF TOTAL LOSE, IF I MANAGE WIN TWO HANDS ONLY, I STILL ABLE RECOVER 50% ACCUMULATED LOSE, IF I NOT MANAGE WIN TWO HANDS, I ONLY SUFFER 20% FURTHER ACCUMULATED LOSE...

I HOPE SOMEONE CAN HELP IMPROVE THE ABOVE SYSTEM BY OFFERING YOUR VALUBLE ADVICE...
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QUOTE(hlkhoo @ Jan 4 2008, 09:10 PM)
AndyLau... you are on the right track but if you go for 1,2,2,4,7,13 (for 13 step progression) it can be very very steep!
Keep working on your string & refine them...
good work!!
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Added on January 5, 2008, 2:13 pmandy try the fibonacci number derived from the pascal triangle smile.gif

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Well, you can't conclude that some other methods such as martiganle is disaster.

While using martiganle: 1,2,4,8,16,32.. if you lose 4 streaks in a row, you can still recover and win on the 5th.

Whereas, 1,2,2,4,7,13.. you are safer, but if you lose 4 streaks in a row and win on the 5th, you are still losing.

That's depends on your luck and the greater the risk(such as martiganle) the higher the return or otherwise.

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Hi mr khoo

Just want to clarify something.

U mentioned that your money management able to withstand 13 streaks using RM2300 as a capital, which really impressive.

But, Rm100 each winning, it is between first, second and third game? While on the 4th games onwards until 13th games, you already start losing money till 13th streak of losing, all 2300 gone? Or still wining from 1st-12th games and loses all on the 13th ? Which quite impossible.

Thanks.



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There is no such thing as 13 step progression. if so easy to win no need to work already. and always stay at genting and win everyday already. Tempted bcos sure win with 13 step progression. Every 1.5 hours win Rm1k if play 24 hrs must have been winning alot. why have to work anymore.

Bcos wining always tell people win how much but very seldom people lose and talk about it. If so easy to win with 13 step progression, i become full timer they gambling already loh bcos sure win mah. majority of the time win what.

each day win Rm10k above in one month time rm300k.

there is no such thing as 13 step progression which use only Rm2300.

there is a 21 step progression which is for sure win and use Rm3k as capital do u believe it.
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QUOTE(mlpk @ Jan 5 2008, 06:05 PM)
There is no such thing as 13 step progression. if so easy to win no need to work already.  and always stay at genting and win everyday already. Tempted bcos sure win with 13 step progression. Every 1.5 hours win Rm1k if play 24 hrs must have been winning alot. why have to work anymore.

Bcos wining always tell people win how much but very seldom people lose and talk about it. If so easy to win with 13 step progression, i become full timer they gambling already loh bcos sure win mah. majority of the time win what.

each day win Rm10k above in one month time rm300k.

there is no such thing as 13 step progression which use only Rm2300.

there is a 21 step progression which is for sure win and  use Rm3k as capital do u believe it.
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So far, only AndyLau has the closest answers to how I played. But still NOT perfect yet.
Trust me, you can still further improve your progression string.
If you can recall my 1st post, I gave out 2 tips. The first one is money management
and 2nd one is using random to beat randomness.
You are pretty close on the 1st one in terms of your progression string and now, you need
to work on 2nd point - Randomness!! Once you got a good grip of "using random to beat random",
you should be very confident in your bet selection.

Topman, if you say 1,2,4,8,16,32,64, 128 is not a disaster, go ahead and try betting this way.
I bet, you will burn before you even taste victory! As usual I just came back from
Genting and I made my normal 10 units. Today was quite a bad run for me. There were
3 times I stretched my progression up the 9 steps. If you were playing at the same table
with me today, you will loose 255 x 3 (because 3 times it went to 8th step progression) x 100 = 76,500.00.
All this happens within 2 shoes in approx 2 hours!!

MLPK, with all respect, I dont think you fully understand the gambling world works.
I've been winning like this for the past 2 years and why I only pocket 10 units each time?
Why not 20 or 30? I'm sure I can if I want. BUT, I have to lay low.
The reason for this is, I dont want to casino to bar me from entering. Casino
have the rights to bar anyone from entering without having to give any reasons. Assuming everyday if I were to
win by the tens of thousands, I'm sure, I would have been barred by now.
I still need need my 9 - 5 job. Why? Because when I buy a car/house, I need to get loan
just like anyone else. If without a job, that means I gotta win more in casino and that I will
be exposing myself and waiting to be barred! I'm living a comfortable live since I discovered
this method and I dont mind an extra 16K - 20K a month as my side income.
If you still think 13 step progression is NOT possbile, then it's really up to you. I'm not here
to prove anything. I just want to tell people it's possible to win consistently in gambling.

This will be my final post as I believe I give out sifficient tips to everyone here and it's up to
you catch the idea. If you manage to do it, it will be very very good for you and also your loves
one. If you cant decipher the code, then, I'm sorry. Just treat it as though you have not seen
my post at all.

Good luck everyone... Oops, sorry. I dont need luck. I need maths!!

Sign-off...





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that mean random vs randomness is within a shoe which consist of 60 hands not every hand u play only the one with confident only. with different denomination.

if u want to play big and no need to be bar by genting, got ways to invite to VIP or VVIP section to play. winning few hundred thousand is nothing over there. Genting is open for people to win or lost and only will barr those whose is cheating only. Not to worry. Plenty of money to win.



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ITS REALLY HARD TO DECIPHER MR KHOO'S MESSAGE-->USING RANDOM TO BEAT RANDOMNESS....DOES RANDOM MEAN PLAYING ONE SIDE ONLY SUCH AS PLAYING PLAYER HAND ONLY ON BACCARAT TO AVOID B6 TRAP?? IN THE INDEPENDENT HAND OF GAME LIKE BACCARAT, HOW RANDOM DO WE NEED???

MR KHOO, ARE YOU PLAYING BANKER HAND IN BACCARAT, YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THAT BANKER HAND WINNING ON 6 WHICH PAY ONLY HALF OF THE BET WILL GREATLY AFFECTED OUR PROGRESSION!!!

I DO REALLY HOPE MR KHOO YOU WILL SIGN ON BACK...NOT BECAUSE WE EAGERLY WANT TO KNOW YOUR WHOLE SYSTEM, WE NEED SOME OF YOUR VALUABLE ADVICE TO CORRECT OUR MISTAKE...

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i got one way to win money from genting.... but dont know u dare or not to try it out only. last time got a rumour saying 1 woman, she throw some sweet under the table when she gambling and win some buck.... but at the end found out by captain and take her into room. i heard those sweet is for 'guai chai' or toyol to help her win money.

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I WOULD SUMMARIZE AGAIN...

FIRST HAND=100
FROM HAND 2ND TILL 12TH=2200

FROM HERE WE CAN SEE THE FIRST HAND HE PUT RM100, FROM HAND SECOND TILL 12TH HE RISK OUT 2200, IN OHTER WORDS, IN CASE HE LOSE 13 HANDS IN A ROW, HE LOSE OUT RM2300...

SO HOW DOES HE SET THE ANTE FROM HAND 2 TILL 12...THE ADD UP SHOULD BE RM2200...

IF THE FIRST HAND HE LOSE, LOSE RM100
2ND HAND, HE MAY PUT 100 LOSE AGAIN, ACCUMULATED LOSE 200
3RD HAND MAYBE PUT 100, IF WIN PUT 200, IF DOUBLE UP SUCCESS, STILL WIN RM100. IF NOT, ACCUMULATED LOSE 300.

HAND 4TH TILL 12 STILL THINKING.....

SO HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE, HE DID NOT USE MARTINGALE, SO WINNING LET SAID ON HAND 13TH DEFINITELY ONLY COVER PORTION OF ACCUMULATED LOSE...MEANING HIS METHOD DEPEND HEAVILY ON WINNING X HANDS IN A ROW...THE X SHOULD BE AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE...MAYBE 2 AT MOST 3.

THE REASON I SAID THIS IS BECAUSE RM2200 NEED TO BE SHARE UP FOR HAND 2 TILL 13...IT IS A BIT HIGHER THAN FLAT BET ONLY DURING BAD STREAK TIME.....

STILL THINKING THE REST RANDOM VS RANDOMNESS....PROGRESSION....

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QUOTE(MrAndyLau @ Jan 5 2008, 09:16 PM)
I WOULD SUMMARIZE AGAIN...

FIRST HAND=100
FROM HAND 2ND TILL 12TH=2200

FROM HERE WE CAN SEE THE FIRST HAND HE PUT RM100, FROM HAND SECOND TILL 12TH HE RISK OUT 2200, IN OHTER WORDS, IN CASE HE LOSE 13 HANDS IN A ROW, HE LOSE OUT RM2300...

SO HOW DOES HE SET THE ANTE FROM HAND 2 TILL 12...THE ADD UP SHOULD BE RM2200...

IF THE FIRST HAND HE LOSE, LOSE RM100
2ND HAND, HE MAY PUT 100 LOSE AGAIN, ACCUMULATED LOSE 200
3RD HAND MAYBE PUT 100, IF WIN PUT 200, IF DOUBLE UP SUCCESS, STILL WIN RM100. IF NOT, ACCUMULATED LOSE 300.

HAND 4TH TILL 12 STILL THINKING.....

SO HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE, HE DID NOT USE MARTINGALE, SO WINNING LET SAID ON HAND 13TH DEFINITELY ONLY COVER PORTION OF ACCUMULATED LOSE...MEANING HIS METHOD DEPEND HEAVILY ON WINNING X HANDS IN A ROW...THE X SHOULD BE AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE...MAYBE 2 AT MOST 3.

THE REASON I SAID THIS IS BECAUSE RM2200 NEED TO BE SHARE UP FOR HAND 2 TILL 13...IT IS A BIT HIGHER THAN FLAT BET ONLY DURING BAD STREAK TIME.....

STILL THINKING THE REST RANDOM VS RANDOMNESS....PROGRESSION....
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Maybe this will help
http://www.baccaratvip.com/fibonacci.html


EDIT: Re-read hlkhoo's post and he mentioned it's not fibo....

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QUOTE(MrAndyLau @ Jan 5 2008, 09:16 PM)
I WOULD SUMMARIZE AGAIN...

FIRST HAND=100
FROM HAND 2ND TILL 12TH=2200

FROM HERE WE CAN SEE THE FIRST HAND HE PUT RM100, FROM HAND SECOND TILL 12TH HE RISK OUT 2200, IN OHTER WORDS, IN CASE HE LOSE 13 HANDS IN A ROW, HE LOSE OUT RM2300...

SO HOW DOES HE SET THE ANTE FROM HAND 2 TILL 12...THE ADD UP SHOULD BE RM2200...

IF THE FIRST HAND HE LOSE, LOSE RM100
2ND HAND, HE MAY PUT 100 LOSE AGAIN, ACCUMULATED LOSE 200
3RD HAND MAYBE PUT 100, IF WIN PUT 200, IF DOUBLE UP SUCCESS, STILL WIN RM100. IF NOT, ACCUMULATED LOSE 300.

HAND 4TH TILL 12 STILL THINKING.....

SO HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE, HE DID NOT USE MARTINGALE, SO WINNING LET SAID ON HAND 13TH DEFINITELY ONLY COVER PORTION OF ACCUMULATED LOSE...MEANING HIS METHOD DEPEND HEAVILY ON WINNING X HANDS IN A ROW...THE X SHOULD BE AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE...MAYBE 2 AT MOST 3.

THE REASON I SAID THIS IS BECAUSE RM2200 NEED TO BE SHARE UP FOR HAND 2 TILL 13...IT IS A BIT HIGHER THAN FLAT BET ONLY DURING BAD STREAK TIME.....

STILL THINKING THE REST RANDOM VS RANDOMNESS....PROGRESSION....
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If your assumption is true, that means he could only win beginning of the game. Maybe 1st, 2nd or 3rd @ RM100. On 4th onwards, start losing money(however, not as much as martiganle system). He also mentioned he lost 3 times @ 9 progressions. Maybe about RM1500 each x 3 , equivalent to lost RM4500. So, the system start from the begining at RM100 chances of winning @ 1st ,2nd or 3rd. In other words, it is slim chances to recover the initial loses.
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QUOTE(MrAndyLau @ Jan 5 2008, 10:16 PM)
I WOULD SUMMARIZE AGAIN...

FIRST HAND=100
FROM HAND 2ND TILL 12TH=2200

FROM HERE WE CAN SEE THE FIRST HAND HE PUT RM100, FROM HAND SECOND TILL 12TH HE RISK OUT 2200, IN OHTER WORDS, IN CASE HE LOSE 13 HANDS IN A ROW, HE LOSE OUT RM2300...

SO HOW DOES HE SET THE ANTE FROM HAND 2 TILL 12...THE ADD UP SHOULD BE RM2200...

IF THE FIRST HAND HE LOSE, LOSE RM100
2ND HAND, HE MAY PUT 100 LOSE AGAIN, ACCUMULATED LOSE 200
3RD HAND MAYBE PUT 100, IF WIN PUT 200, IF DOUBLE UP SUCCESS, STILL WIN RM100. IF NOT, ACCUMULATED LOSE 300.

HAND 4TH TILL 12 STILL THINKING.....

SO HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE, HE DID NOT USE MARTINGALE, SO WINNING LET SAID ON HAND 13TH DEFINITELY ONLY COVER PORTION OF ACCUMULATED LOSE...MEANING HIS METHOD DEPEND HEAVILY ON WINNING X HANDS IN A ROW...THE X SHOULD BE AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE...MAYBE 2 AT MOST 3.

THE REASON I SAID THIS IS BECAUSE RM2200 NEED TO BE SHARE UP FOR HAND 2 TILL 13...IT IS A BIT HIGHER THAN FLAT BET ONLY DURING BAD STREAK TIME.....

STILL THINKING THE REST RANDOM VS RANDOMNESS....PROGRESSION....
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well, remember the pascal distribution?

0 1 1 2 3 5 8 13

let say, 0 represent our starting point, neither lose or win. ( Pascal only can be start using when you start to lose, which means, on 2nd hand )

if he lose on first hand, 2nd hand lose, 3rd hand lose = 300, it's correct.
and again, u see, on 4th hand, if he win, means he got negative -100, right?
so, we back to the first hand again which means 0 1 1 2 ( 1 ) 3 5 8 13 ,
if u win, means u got nothing to lose, right? u back to 0 again, cover the -100 loses.
but if u lose again, u go to the fifth hand 0 1 1 2 1 ( 3 ) 5 8 13 which can cover the -200
so, if u win, u win 100, if u lose, u go to the 6th hand which is 5,
just remember, PASCAL system help u to minimize the loss and win a little, not for many.

that's why, u can use RM2300 for 13 step.

just add my cent
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and oh ya.. he reveal that he win minimun of 100 each time when he win, right?

so, it means he can win 200 or 300 in the same time.

that's why when he reach 1000 he ciao~

let say, use the formula i think

when u bankroll of 200, u bet on 300, which, if u lose, u only lose 100 ( again, this is the minimun loses, just bet and think of minimun loses, u will be safe, isn't? )

and so, when u win, u win total 500.

and again, u can either bet on 500 or 200 or 300, depend on u, as long u follow the pascal rule ( MINIMUN loses )

let say, u dare of betting 500 ( U WIN ) = bankroll in is 1000. ( or if u lose ) = back to square 1 again, so starting to 0 and 100 bet biggrin.gif


Added on January 6, 2008, 11:18 amand so.. the money management kinda solve.. isn't?

now.. how to beat the random for randomness...hmmm

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wenjie86,

The progression you mentioned is fibonachi, and not pascal triangle!!!According Mr khoo, fibonachi is useless as well...but thanks for your good work and effort...
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Cool.

Great thread on improving chances of winning! tongue.gif
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lol, ya ya biggrin.gif

but actualy.. the pascal distribution is same as fibonacci? i read both equation.. ZzZz.. it's similar >.<


Added on January 6, 2008, 11:41 ami felt am going back to my Form 6 life... Pascal Math >.<

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the only thing we need to design here is how to put RM2300 into 13 progression...could it be:

100,
100
100
100
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300
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300

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RM 2300
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but if u lose from first hand to 6 hand...

u win on 7th and 8th lose at 9th and 10th, win at 11 12 and 13

600 - ( 400 ) + 400 - 900 = u win 300 >.<


Added on January 6, 2008, 12:30 pmnot a bad .. but then... if u lose from 1st to 9th hand... that would be disaster !~

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what if it open B6, pays only half. can only bet on player in order to get full amount
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Mr. Khoo Hock Lye, do you ever see before B6 for 8 times in a row?

B6 for more than 8 times in a row will beat the hell out of him and he is left with only 5 progression to play with if he choose to stick to his chart and randomness and not following the trend/flow.

And in real situation,altho it seldom happenned, he will survey around the tables to check out the result so that he can see the randomness of the game first before applying his chart tactic.


He has his own calculation chart and he just has to follow it. If it's fail,he will go back to loop 1 and start all over again.Simple as that

You still cant win if you cant see the randomness of the game which is to beat the game using randomness vs random.

with using his only chart without randomness and other tactic such as follow the flow,he can minimize the losing for 50% and gain minimal win roughly around 20%.

I bet he will either stop playing or use the tactic "follow the flow" or start all over again with his chart and randomness once he see 4 hands of B6.

The term randomness is still about luck.

I put my money that he will not play with computer machine baccarat in Genting.

Do you know who is the baccarat champion competition in genting?I am
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QUOTE(wenjie86 @ Jan 6 2008, 12:29 PM)
but if u lose from first hand to 6 hand...

u win on 7th and 8th lose at 9th and 10th, win at 11 12 and 13

600 - ( 400 ) + 400 - 900 = u win 300 >.<


Added on January 6, 2008, 12:30 pmnot a bad .. but then... if u lose from 1st to 9th hand... that would be disaster !~

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he already said to win the game..must apply randomness skill as well
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malaysia4n, you are the baccarat champion??!! any tips you want to share out your road to the champion...

i strongly agree with you banker 6 is a hell bet...foreverly when you lose, you lose 1 unit but when you win, only win half...thats is anyway better than zero in roulette and tripple die in sic bo in which which you need lose all, no matter which side you bet... b6 you still luckily can keep your original ante while win only half...

but b6 is very common...as compared to zero and tripple die...i am sure for those who use progression better bet only on player hand....

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QUOTE(MrAndyLau @ Jan 6 2008, 01:52 PM)
malaysia4n, you are the baccarat champion??!! any tips you want to share out your road to the champion...

i strongly agree with you banker 6 is a hell bet...foreverly when you lose, you lose 1 unit but when you win, only win half...thats is anyway better than zero in roulette and tripple die in sic bo in which which you need lose all, no matter which side you bet... b6 you still luckily can keep your original ante while win only half...

but b6 is very common...as compared to zero and tripple die...i am sure for those who use progression better bet only on player hand....
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the difference me and other competitor is that they want to win money but for me,my goal is to be the champion and accumulate money to the highest to become champion. Anyway my money is less than other player before the end of the game and i apply martigale to it coz i can see the randomness aka luck of it.So it's just double up few times. It's either win or lose for me. So at the end of the days,Im just lucky.

Money u win from casino = easy come easy go.
So stick with ur daily job.

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you already have the chart with you and what you need is the randomness aka the luck.If you cant see the randomness,you cant win much perhaps you will lose .

Even if u use the chart alone playing alone for 1 hours ++ and winning just only rm 100 to rm 200 is consider as losing.

if you guys want side income go for online roulette and barracat where player has most of the advantage.

Go google which online gaming roulette which has no 0 and 00 which give the odds 1-35

Come,mr khoo i provide you the access and bring you to IR and VVIP room . You play ur own and keep ur winning. I will be at other place and wish you can win 50k at least from there.

They wont ban and bar you from casino even everyday you will rm 10,000.

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malaysia4n, you seems to recognize MR KHOO...You know his full name as well as his game plan...are both of you friend?? if not, how did you know so detail that he is using calculation chart??

anyway thanks for your personal message...as well as you have decipher his code, randomness is luck!!!

thanks and happy winning to you...
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mr andy, can forward the decipher to me too biggrin.gif

oh ya, btw, i try the pascal system at online baccarat..

using first six 100 7-10 200 and 11-13 300

my randomness = PPPBBBPPPBBBP

accumulate initial of 100 credit to 3200credit.. cheers..~

oh, btw, i start from small.. 5 then 10 then 50 then 100 biggrin.gif just to try the system.. somehow it works to me.. but need more practice

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QUOTE(wenjie86 @ Jan 6 2008, 11:10 AM)
well, remember the pascal distribution?

0 1 1 2 3 5 8 13

let say, 0 represent our starting point, neither lose or win. ( Pascal only can be start using when you start to lose, which means, on 2nd hand )

if he lose on first hand, 2nd hand lose, 3rd hand lose = 300, it's correct.
and again, u see, on 4th hand, if he win, means he got negative -100, right?
so, we back to the first hand again which means 0 1 1 2 ( 1 ) 3 5 8 13 ,
if u win, means u got nothing to lose, right? u back to 0 again, cover the -100 loses.
but if u lose again, u go to the fifth hand 0 1 1 2 1 ( 3 ) 5 8 13 which can cover the -200
so, if u win, u win 100, if u lose, u go to the 6th hand which is 5,
just remember, PASCAL system help u to minimize the loss and win a little, not for many.

that's why, u can use RM2300 for 13 step.

just add my cent
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your talking about fibonacci. if continuously lose until 13th steak, accumulated lose would have reach 60900.

I couldn't figure out how one can place 13 consecutive bets (starting with 100) and if all lost only lost 2300 unless its flat betting modified with a placing a bigger stake along the line.

I wouldn't call this a progression staking plan.

Need some clarification on this Mr khoo, there are only 2 outcomes on each bet. Either win or lose. When he win, there is always guranteed profit of 100 and when he lost he proceed according to his plan (ie modifying his stake and taking into account current bankroll is negative) ?

I'm a programmer too and very intested in algorithm. Lets have more of this discussion. Cheers everyone

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ANother possibility is that he is playing together with multiple bet.
For example, rm100 on odd-even and rm25 on those 1 pay 8.
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I would like to said that in order to have probability of success as mentioned by MR Khoo as well as limited capital of 23 units, what can we do is wait for 8 hands when we totally get lose, for example, if you bet on banker hand only, wait for 8 player hands appear on any shoe and use 1,1,3,6,12, to win 1 units...

You see by doing this, even it comes out 13P, you only lose 23 units, and not martingale style of 1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096=8191units... but you still enjoy the probability success rate as mentioned by MR Khoo...

The problem is do you have that kind of patient to wait for 8 hands totally wrong to appear? Do you mind to risk out big (max 23 units just to win small 1 unit) ?? Does that make sense??


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need to have alot of patients to wait. alot of patient
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ANYONE TAKING THE CASINO PREMIUM PACKAGE 3K/6K? HOW DID YOU MANAGE TO TURN THE NON NEGOTIABLE CHIP INTO REAL MONEY??
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alot of people is taking gambling as their occupation and income.

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Anyone play roulette just for the chi kikness?
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i have played almost everything in Casino de Genting. And i have donated part of my savings to paving the new road, setting up a few street lamps, and re-surfacing the car park. Oh i also contributed to some potted plants and some newer development schemes.

the next time i go up, i have to pull down the CRV.
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hmm.... maybe some other time.

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CHINESE NEW YEAR IS APPROACHING, ANYONE GO GENTING AND WIN BIG??
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anybody going to genting to fatt choy and get angpow from genting.
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REALLY GOT ANGPOW...I ALSO WANNA....


Added on February 5, 2008, 9:24 pmIF YOU REALLY WANT TO PLAY BACCARAT, TRY AVOID BET ON BANKER HAND...BECAUSE YOU RISK BIG TO WIN SMALL WHEN B6 OCCUR...I LIKE TO BET ONLY ON PLAYER SIDE...EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THE HOUSE EDGE IS 1.24% ON PLAYER WHICH IS FAR BETTER THAN 1.46% IN BANKER HAND...

TALKING ABOUT HOUSE EDGE, SO FAR ONLY POONTOON AKA SPANISH 21 IS THE BEST BET...THE HOUSE EDGE IS ONLY 0.40% BUT, BUT, BUT LESSER 10's CARD STILL FAVOUR HOUSE, YOU KNOW WHY, LESSER 10's means harder to get blackjack/poontoon, harder to win insurance, harder to win double, and of course harder for the dealer to get busted...

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anyone get any angpow from genting recently?
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anyone get any angpow from genting recently?
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i went to genting on 9-11 february .. got cai shen give angpow .. inside no money 1 la .. just a piece of paper with lucky number ... im 19 this year and manage to get thru the security check enterance for 3 days without any problem .. btw , i dint win nor lose .. won on dai sai table , but lose on jackpot machine .. seriously jackpot machine never win 1 ..eaten all my money ... mad.gif


Added on February 17, 2008, 12:51 amp/s i heard that Ria apartment is seriously haunted .. still remember when i was small , we always stay at ria apartment coz can cook inside .. now thinking of it also a bit creepy .. got feeling of "blank out" when u enter the apartment .. scaryyyy !!!!!! i heard its closed to public already .. is that true ?

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i am 19.. nvr been to any casino before. can i know how much is the maximum for barcarrat table? and minimum at genting casino?
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I was there during cny.. not much of a gamble person.. and dono how to gamble also.. i stood there watching big-small game for half an hour waiting and watching the "trend" of the game. As soon as i think its time to bet, i put 25each on big, 14, 15 and 16. Total 100.

Open Big 15 laugh.gif

So i won Big (25) + 15 (25 x12 )= RM275

after that lazy to watch already all hantam big for another few games and lost them all back + my own money.. lol
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when bad luck. just stop for few rounds to see see first... if win then continue to bet... hehe...
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Yup Ria Apartment is haunted...one of the floor is seal. If u enter it..u will see a lot of chinese "Fu" stick at the door.

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this is gambling thread.... most heavy gamblers dun even sleep .. why talk abt the rooms lol .. doh.gif ....

i like roulette ... also mrandylau ... hard la if u only bet on player only at baccarat .. as the trend has it .. most of the time banker will win 1 ... i mean the banker side ...
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i wonder how to get a gold card or platinium card in genting
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i wonder how to get a gold card or platinium card in genting
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in order to get gold card u have to bet min rm300 for 60 hours per annum and for platinum min bet rm1000 for 120 hours per annum and will be monitor by the pit boss
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Any Winning strategy to share anybody
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QUOTE(ankw @ Feb 28 2008, 11:33 AM)
in order to get gold card u have to bet min rm300 for 60 hours per annum and for platinum min bet rm1000 for 120 hours per annum and will be monitor by the pit boss
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what card ru holding?it seems that ur pro n I think genting giving u platinium card
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i think if u holding a gold/platinum credit card
genting will automatic upgrade u become gold member
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if u wanna win big u really need to have the guts to bet big.....

my friend told me recently a method to win smart in roullete....

on the roullete betting table there's this 3 section of

1-12 13-24 25-36

first u see the previous round ball hit which one of these 3 sections.... then u place ur bet on either one of the other 2.....

this section is 1 win pay 3x

he told me this method quite work out and even his friends tested b4...

if u play ur bet RM50 consistently for few hours u can win approx RM500-600 like that.....

but u really need patient....

good luck
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play black jack/tai sai the easiest lo..hehehe..anywayz..whatz the mininum amount to be placed?

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u nv play b4 one izit.... blackjack in genting is different from wat u play wan la.... dun play it if u dun have a good understanding on how to play.
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Black jack is very very different sweat.gif

Normally I play, I will tumpang bet on winning people. Even if I lose, other will win back blush.gif
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QUOTE(maximus85 @ Mar 4 2008, 12:10 PM)
if u wanna win big u really need to have the guts to bet big.....

my friend told me recently a method to win smart in roullete....

on the roullete betting table there's this 3 section of

1-12  13-24  25-36

first u see the previous round ball hit which one of these 3 sections.... then u place ur bet on either one of the other 2.....

this section is 1 win pay 3x

he told me this method quite work out and even his friends tested b4...

if u play ur bet RM50 consistently for few hours u can win approx RM500-600 like that.....

but u really need patient....

good luck
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I'd play like that but I'll sure not gonna win big. But anyways, for your technique, if you want more surety, study how fast the croupier spins the ball and the speed of the wheel. The result is different for different wheels and different ball sizes, so, you've gotta study it.


I don't know about other casinos around the world but I'd think Genting is the place where the wheel speed is not really monitored as you can see some croupiers with fast wheel and some with awfully slow wheel. The trick is to bet after the ball is spun, so you've gotta be quick. As to the people who says Roulette cannot be manipulated, I worked there for 4 months and I found out I could really manipulate which area the ball will drop, but for the 4 months there, no action was taken against me. My friend told me he saw some china croupier who could actually be extremely accurate that he could get the number he wanted, I think this is for the wheel with the square brackets. For the Scallopped one, the ball would really move a lot but it's really hard to get the area you want. And I read someone mentioned about the diamonds and obstacles on the wheel, there's is a way to overcome it by spinning the ball at a specific point and the ball would just drop into the slot without hitting anything. But the problem lies in that the more obstacles and stuff a wheel has, the harder it gets. I can't say that my actions were not noticed by my pit boss before, but I was just having fun (seriously) and not scamming with the ability as dealing Roulette is extremely boring if it's only about payouts as most of the times, the bets are small and standing for 8 hours doing work like a robot, that really sux. My my pit boss just ask me about it and no action was taken since well....most pit boss don't care.

Anyways, this part doesn't really connect with the gambling techniques but I just want to share this. While working there, Rm5 looked like nothing to me, in fact, I would be annoyed if someone wants to buy just a Rm5 Chip. 50 is like nothing as well. In fact I felt like another person in there, like money is nothing to me, since it's Mr Lims and the customer, I'm just a dealer.

Cheers, good luck for you all who goes up there. Gambling is fun, when you do it for fun, but to make money out of it, do so at your own risk. Those who work there or gambled there would've seen people throw their money away like nothing just because they think they can earn more

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QUOTE(maximus85 @ Mar 4 2008, 02:06 PM)
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u nv play b4 one izit.... blackjack in genting is different from wat u play wan la.... dun play it if u dun have a good understanding on how to play.
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thanx for that 'useful' advice...i will remember that. lolz.
just ask how much minimum bet u already know i duno how to play? lolz...


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take capital...100...depends on ur luck..

me la..i take rm100

i play 100..win 100..play 200

after win 2 games u have 100+100+200

total 400..then play rm100 rm100 a few games

confident go for max rm500

i went there last 2 years and make rm1800 out of rm100


and lost back rm5000 due to greed..

haha
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lao eh.. =.='' tat is genting! =.='' win already.. wanna win more.. end up losing.. n broke sad.gif
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Thank you for posting in this thread rclxms.gif rclxms.gif


And warning to anyone who took form 5 maths - the logic in here will make you vomit blood.
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In order to win is dont gamble at all. win little tempted to win more. Loss want to revenge and gamble more. today win tomorrow come again and loss back.
no point unless win really big like hitting the grand/bigjackpot and then dont come back to gamble.


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QUOTE(dandan2 @ Mar 5 2008, 12:20 AM)
take capital...100...depends on ur luck..

me la..i take rm100

i play 100..win 100..play 200

after win 2 games u have 100+100+200

total 400..then play rm100 rm100 a few games

confident go for max rm500

i went there last 2 years and make rm1800 out of rm100
and lost back rm5000 due to greed..

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hahahahah whty so greedy
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QUOTE(wyxyz @ Mar 4 2008, 01:41 PM)
play black jack/tai sai the easiest lo..hehehe..anywayz..whatz the mininum amount to be placed?
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my style RM10 rclxm9.gif .. btw im still a student .. just play for fun


Added on March 11, 2008, 3:00 ambtw ,, i only played tai sai and roullette before . and jackpot machine{i play sure lose all credit de}

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how much u earn from tai sai an roulette ahahah
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never but i went 2 macau 2 gamble .. wink.gif
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macau i also wanna go haahha
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QUOTE(whoopa @ Mar 11 2008, 03:09 AM)
how much u earn from tai sai an roulette ahahah
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RM100 total {on tai sai} .. roulette no win no lose .. jackpot {lose RM100 } ..
so no win no lose .. btw , its just for fun and experience .. this year 19 years old .. curi masuk 1
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scary liaw.. u can b gila if u go n gamble at macau~~!! btw lots of malaysian working there 2
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QUOTE(Nadia_1510 @ Mar 11 2008, 03:18 AM)
scary liaw.. u can b gila if u go n gamble at macau~~!! btw lots of malaysian working there 2
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i notice genting dealer most under 21 de wor .. genting so rich , my fren go there work . train 1 month .. 1 day RM20 only
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ahahaha so many ppl how to pay so much oh

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No more tips already? smile.gif

Ordinary people going up casino and play based on luck, example Odd/Even will usually come down empty handed. Eventhough chances of winning is near 48%, but when you actually play, you could only win 1 out of 4 rounds on average. How could that be?

Few times I played roulette, bet only even/odd, lost 6 times in a row..not a single win. smile.gif Blackmagic or my luck is so bad?

If anyone want to go up, you need to have a good betting system and strategy in order to win consistently.
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QUOTE(t0p_man @ Mar 13 2008, 07:32 PM)
No more tips already? smile.gif

Ordinary people going up casino and play based on luck, example Odd/Even will usually come down empty handed. Eventhough chances of winning is near 48%, but when you actually play, you could only win 1 out of 4 rounds on average. How could that be?

Few times I played roulette, bet only even/odd, lost 6 times in a row..not a single win. smile.gif Blackmagic or my luck is so bad?

If anyone want to go up, you need to have a good betting system and strategy in order to win consistently.
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if odd even also like that, plz dont play liao.
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yes

sometime my fren go play tai sai, see some table sure no ppl play wan.
n notice that the gamble result very weird

ppl play on the table will never win wan ......


only go to table where got many ppl. if u see table no ppl wan, there is sumthin haunted
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QUOTE(Sou1 @ Mar 22 2008, 07:41 PM)
yes

sometime my fren go play tai sai, see some table sure no ppl play wan.
n notice that the gamble result very weird

ppl play on the table will never win wan ......
only go to table where got many ppl. if u see table no ppl wan, there is sumthin haunted
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When I work there, my frens told me tai sai, you can control big or small, even though it is control via that green button on the right side of the tai sai table, quite weird because I don't think it's possible but I tried myself with that electronic puncher and sometimes it work sometimes it doesn't. When it does, nobody dare come, and get to relax.
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dont dare to go there gambling anymore.... got 1 time lose 10k.... damn upset sad.gif
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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Mar 22 2008, 10:41 PM)
When I work there, my frens told me tai sai, you can control big or small, even though it is control via that green button on the right side of the tai sai table, quite weird because I don't think it's possible but I tried myself with that electronic puncher and sometimes it work sometimes it doesn't. When it does, nobody dare come, and get to relax.
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Eventhough it can control the outcome, but they can't control what you going to bet.

Sometimes, the outcome is quite fishy.

SB-SB-SB-SB-SB-SB-SB-SB, 8 times the pattern.

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QUOTE(Sou1 @ Mar 22 2008, 07:41 PM)
yes

sometime my fren go play tai sai, see some table sure no ppl play wan.
n notice that the gamble result very weird

ppl play on the table will never win wan ......
only go to table where got many ppl. if u see table no ppl wan, there is sumthin haunted
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u must be joking me ... i win money b4 on empty table ... those jokers come to the table only i start to lose .... ppl sometimes too supertitious ...
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QUOTE(whoopa @ Mar 23 2008, 02:10 AM)
u must be joking me ... i win money b4 on empty table ... those jokers come to the table only i start to lose .... ppl sometimes too supertitious ...
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sometimes also need a high rollers to start/head the games, giving confident to the players and stay positive in order to play
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Hello Everybody

I just joined this forum. I am Penang guy working in Hong Kong and I visit the Macau very often.
There is a method people here used to used to win the casino. Anybody interested?

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QUOTE(edwardng9949 @ Apr 14 2008, 01:12 PM)
Hello Everybody

I just joined this forum.  I am Penang guy working in Hong Kong and I visit the Macau very often.
There is a method people here used to used to win the casino.  Anybody interested?
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spilt it out
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QUOTE(edwardng9949 @ Apr 14 2008, 02:12 PM)
Hello Everybody

I just joined this forum. I am Penang guy working in Hong Kong and I visit the Macau very often.
There is a method people here used to used to win the casino. Anybody interested?
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are these people still alive now? If so, do they still have arms and legs? just wan confirmation oni =)

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QUOTE(edwardng9949 @ Apr 14 2008, 01:12 PM)
Hello Everybody

I just joined this forum.  I am Penang guy working in Hong Kong and I visit the Macau very often.
There is a method people here used to used to win the casino.  Anybody interested?
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share it out dude...
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post Apr 14 2008, 02:50 PM

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Interesting thread, so this thread is to discuss about gambling smart, and I notice some pro out there like....giving chart and analysis, good work. And I also notice some ppl talk cock(jiaxun if I am not mistaken), this thread is to discuss betting stratergy(I hope it exist).

I googled around and found one roulette betting stratergy.
http://easycasinoprofits.com/EasyCasinoProfits.pdf

I don't know whether the method will work, just to share out. Anyway, I believe there are pro gambler out there who win a few hundred ringgit in genting, then go home, then come back the next 2 days. They are rich, and after a few years, they open up business to "wash black money". Even though their business everymonth lost money, they still can continue their business. Trust me, this is true.
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This is the latest one.

http://www.easycasinoprofits.com/update.html


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interesting tips u got there bulkbiz....

recently no time go casino....will give it a shot when i do next time....
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ahh so you want know, ok wait a while i have to draw a chart to make you understand


Added on April 14, 2008, 6:03 pm1 1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2 2
0.5 3 3 3 3 3
1 1 4 4 4 4
2 2 2 5 5 5
4 4 4 4 6 6
8 8 8 8 8 7
16 16 16 16 16 18
32 32 32 32 32 36
64 64 64 64 64 72
127.5 127 126 124 120 126

the chart do not have colors so very hard to understand, basically you need about 128units in total, vertically down shows the past record say in a streak of banker/player. say you walked into a new table, the table have already finished up to 5 times player, so you bet 4 units on banker, if lose bet 8 units, lose bet 16units until you finish your bankroll, you will find that it is difficult for the casino to win you, because unless casino can open 10 times in a row you will win.

do the same if the table you next visit is say has opened 3 times banker --but this time you start with 1 unit and progress until 64units if you have to.

any questions?


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the chart did not come out nicely, do not know why, ahhh i think i used excel, so, it does not come out nicely, send me your email, i will enclose the chart for you to see.

on the whole, you will still win because the winnings will be more then you lose because you are not winning 1unit per entry, you are winning 1 or 2 or 4 or 8 or 18 units per successful entry depending when you enter. a successful entry is consider when you win on or before the 10th streak. if you lose on the 10th streak you lose 128units, but after deducting the winnings, it depends, you may lose little, or still win a little.

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QUOTE(mlpk @ Jul 22 2007, 12:10 PM)
Anyone Go Genting And Gamble and Always Win Smart?

or anyone everyday go genting whose job as a gambler and win smart daily to survive?

or anyone take Rm100-RM50k to gamble big in genting? what's yr opinion? win big or wait for opportunity when the time is right daily?

Have u seen people gambling Rm20k per bet and win big in the VIP section it is very exciting watching them play big.

Seen B4 RM1k chip, RM5k chip, RM10kchip, RM100k chip.

Did u encounter people who always go to genting and win few hundred aday and comes back daily and win few hundred  as a daily routine job?

Each day win rm100 * 30 days = Rm3000 monthly income as a living/income. if u r not greedy.

What is yr experience like?. any recommendations/suggestion?

How much would u take to genting to gamble the maximum amt of money? 1k,5k,10k,15k,20k etc
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i have it worked out on this , dont know if you can understand it, 123456 vertically down are the times a particular position have opened. can be banker or player. so you play against it.

1 1 1 1 1
2 2 2 2 2
3 3 3 3 3
1 4 4 4 4
2 2 5 5 5
4 4 4 6 6
8 8 8 8 7
16 16 16 16 18
32 32 32 32 36
64 64 64 64 72
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127 127 124 120 126 approximate bank rolls required


Added on April 14, 2008, 6:47 pmrandomness, in the game of 50/50 randomness can sometimes swing +-10% on either side. it also can cause repeatitive results within a band of 15% that is how we cannot beat the casino. that is the reason why casino wants you to play 50/50 game, you sure to lose when play long time. so be advised never play more then 60% of a shoe. go to next table when you have 15% win on your bankroll.

in blackjack, casino will take out 10-15 faced cards (10,J, Q, K) so that there will be less blackjack and harder for the casino to bust. how to check them? some even add in 4,5,6s to make the casino edge even higher. so never play blackjack

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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Apr 14 2008, 01:47 PM)
are these people still alive now? If so, do they still have arms and legs? just wan confirmation oni =)
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i am still alive, with legs and arms most importantly with extra $ in your pocket! and i am willingly want to share this with my fellow countryman free of charge. i know it is very heart pain to lose money. some lose houses, family, suicides, have you read they guy in Canada ? in 2002 he lost 1.3mil cad$ to the casino, he killed his whole family..very sad...instead of returning him some money to carry on casino donate his money to other charities.

all the internet advice are from casinos so they are actually bullshit. after they give you some shit strategy they ask you to join their internet casino. so you trust such tips?

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casino wins becos

1. they have more money then u
2. they have a limit for any table, so they will not play with Bill Gates. ask uncle Lim if he will play with him? with no limits? not surprised if BG will soon own uncle Lim's casino if he plays with him. 50 bil USD!!! play martingale sure with win uncle Lim!!!!
3. randomness of any 50/50 game will strike you 6-10 times in a row , can you afford to lose 10 times in a row? THIS IS ACTUALLY THE MAIN FACTOR WHY WE CANNOT WIN THE CASINO OTHERWISE THE CASINO WILL BE BANKRUPT....somehow you will lose 6 times in a row after playing say 40hands and sometimes as early as the 1st six hands!! it is actually 1.56 % to be able to lose 6 times in a row and yet it happens..why nobody knows otherwise you think all the casinos are so big and arogant?
4. when you play long the game is like hypnosis your mind is being like get fixed into a routine tune. so when the randomness of the
game takes effect you kind of get drawn into it's centre.
5. when you play flat bet , the commissions will eat away your bankroll.
6. journey up and down the mountain. kills your body when do it constantly, so you lose willpower and any how dump your bankroll when you cannot force a win after 2-3 hours. this is a very important factor, if you have casino at Bt Bintang, i am sure the casino will go bankrupt becos everybody will win 100rm and get out.....think think so easy to win 100rm ....but with the 2 hour journey involved you say to your self, i want to win a bit more, "yang tor tit" this will eventually kill you

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anymore tips winning tai sai?
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QUOTE(hooi_man @ Apr 14 2008, 07:55 PM)
anymore tips winning tai sai?
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winning tai sai? the edge is not so good, moreover, triple you lose, so you when you lose it is difficult to recover.
normally after 3rd "tingtong" (alternate) , play "lium" (repeat) becos a lot of time you see the same number repeating.
so if 2 of the number repeat it should not change the result very much.

better to play baccarat, becos B6 at least you are paid half. but in macau only Star World owns by genting have a few table
of B6 baccarat. no other casino in macau offers that.
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i never believe in gambling. Ask yourself you just buying luck to win.
Toto also the same who become rich? the owner its a business and you are the game HHAHA
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Apr 14 2008, 08:46 PM)
i never believe in gambling. Ask yourself you just buying luck to win.
Toto also the same who become rich? the owner its a business and you are the game HHAHA
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what for you enter this blog if you don't believe, devout your energy somewhere else...give tuition, 100rm per hour no need to drive up the hill, or sell phone charge card 5rm profit per card
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[quote=edwardng9949,Apr 14 2008, 07:25 PM]
casino wins becos

1. they have more money then u
Of course.

2. they have a limit for any table, so they will not play with Bill Gates. ask uncle Lim if he will play with him? with no limits? not surprised if BG will soon own uncle Lim's casino if he plays with him. 50 bil USD!!! play martingale sure with win uncle Lim!!!!
Limit is about RM10,000. So, shouldn't be a problem for regular gamblers.


3. randomness of any 50/50 game will strike you 6-10 times in a row , can you afford to lose 10 times in a row?
This is true, but why it is so? Any way to prevent it?

Well, for taisai, average triple is about 3 times per 400 hundred games based on statistic. So, shouldn't be a big factor of losing right?

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this thread really... o.0""""

pro gambler... *_* some casino don't let u win too much,

they will black list U. Next time U try to come in, the bouncers will

stop U. ( c from Discovery channel innocent.gif)
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that is u win millions la . ...
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[quote=hooi_man,Apr 14 2008, 09:01 PM]
[quote=edwardng9949,Apr 14 2008, 07:25 PM]
casino wins becos

1. they have more money then u
Of course.

2. they have a limit for any table, so they will not play with Bill Gates. ask uncle Lim if he will play with him? with no limits? not surprised if BG will soon own uncle Lim's casino if he plays with him. 50 bil USD!!! play martingale sure with win uncle Lim!!!!
Limit is about RM10,000. So, shouldn't be a problem for regular gamblers.i am not talking about anybody, i am talking about BG and uncle Lim becos BG have 50 bil US$, uncle do not have so much money
3. randomness of any 50/50 game will strike you 6-10 times in a row , can you afford to lose 10 times in a row?
This is true, but why it is so? Any way to prevent it? unfortunately, there is no way to prevent this pheonomena.actually, the 1.5% is taken as an overall, but in actual, it is taken 50% at a time for 6 times, so the actual risk should be higher then 1.5% maybe 4.5-5% becos it is like for every 40hands you will bound to happen. if not for this--everybody will be in the casino, and the casino will be like attap house type...becos which casino can afford to lose? i have tried 2 years trying to unraveal this but no way. so my advise it to use my method i just review.[/color]
Well, for taisai, average triple is about 3 times per 400 hundred games based on statistic. So, shouldn't be a big factor of losing right?
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[/quote] sometimes i saw the tiles of 8x6=48hands i saw 2 triples, so, how can it be 3/400?[COLOR=orange]

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