Just wanna share my experience in Casino de Genting with you all.

First of all,Casino de Genting is the most pahlia and b**ta*d casino since the takeover of Uncle Lim 2nd son Lim K.T. several years ago. Just looks at his salary as Genting & RWB Chairman for last year,more than 150 million ringgit which equal to RM 12,500,000 every month..!! From his salary you already can imagine how much money Casino de Genting had taken from gamblers pocket,that is alot alot of money..!!

Well,i am not a high stake gambler but i do have a 21R Silver GWC. Does anyone know how much Casino de Genting taken from our wallet last year? The answer is RM 2,500,000,000 (2.5 billion)..!! Just get a copy of Resort World Berhad annual report and see the "revenue" section,from the 3.6 billion rinngit approximate 70% was from Casino de Genting. I really amazed of the reaction of public and newspapers when Uncle Lim passed away last month. Although he was indeed a great person who became a Billionaire from simply nothing,but how can anyone praise someone who accumulate more than 15 billion ringgit fortune with unfortune of hundred of thousands peoples and their hard earn money?! Furthermore,his son LKT is a very powerful person who would taken every single penny of your money from your pocket as long as you keep on steps into Casino de Genting. As what people said,casino don't afraid you win their money,they just afraid you don't come to casino..!! In their point of view,the winning in your wallet is their "house money". Someday they will take it all back from you with high interest (your money).

Win money in Casino de Genting for long term? Mission Impossible.

As you may know,Casino de Genting is a place which established under the Common Gaming House Act. Their gaming license has to renew every three month from Finance Ministry since the license grant in year 1968. Many people don't know that actually the first Casino de Genting was inside current Theme Park Hotel. Basically the Casino de Genting located at the border of two states with Highland Hotel (Hollywood,IR,VIP Room) in Pahang and Genting Hotel (Circus Palace,Showboat,Monte Carlo,Latte) in Selangor. So in case PAS takeover Pahang as they did in Kelantan and threaten to close down casino,they just move the Casino de Genting in Highland Hotel to Selangor side loh. Although the gaming license is issued by Finance Ministry,Casino de Genting still has to renew a state gaming license under Pahang Entertainment Enactment Act. That is what Uncle Lim afraid most,either revoke of gaming license or landslide.

There is two kind of gamblers which comprise guests at the Resort's hotel and repeat "day-trippers" from Klang Valley. Basically the gamblers classified into two groups which are "grind market" (Hollywood,Circus Palace,Showboat,Monte Carlo,Starworld) and "high roller customer" (IR,VIP,Maxims,Elite). Frankly,i wasn't a high roller patron at all,because i only place bet from RM100 to RM2000 each hand. So far,the highest bet per hand i seen it myself was 35k (RM500 limit Baccarat) while the IR Room still located in lower floor just beside VIP Room and VIP Restaurant several months ago due to renovation in currect IR Room. Yeah,Casino de Genting always does the renovation. Renovation = Zhong Shao (cantonese). Sure the "house" (Zhong) makan "gambler" lah. That is their fengshui woh,that is why everyday got renovation in Casino de Genting.

Basically,revenues from Casino de Genting is generally predictable on the basis of the "win ratio" that casino expects to derive from gaming. The "win ratio" in any period refers to aggregate amount of money wagered by customers in comparison to the aggregate amount of money returned to customers in the form of gaming winnings. This mean that casino don't care about the result of any Baccrat shoe or Roulette,all they want to do is just make sure more and more peoples pump their money into the gaming systems. From the small 1% house edge,casino had accumulate billion and billion of dollars that build up today luxurious Las Vegas Strip,Macau Cotai Strip and Casino de Genting as well. This is what malay called "sikit sikit lama jadi bukit"..!!

Gambling is a subfair activity where "House Always Win" in long term. In Baccarat when you lose House take away your RM100,when B6 they only pay you RM50,where got fair one. That is the reason Uncle Lim and his son never gamble in casino like us. Furthermore,casino no need cheat you,because with House Edge they definitely will makan you in long term. I don't think the casino wanna cheat any patron to risk out their gaming license that Uncle Lim family had monopoly for 39 years. Casino is highly regulated business with their shares trade in KLSE,so most of the time casino won't cheat you,but they will kacau you with some "tricks" to make you losing money.

Is there 100% sure-fire system to win money in casino? N..O..NO.

Those people who intend to sell you betting system is similiar to those conman selling snake oil in 19th century. Where got billionaire in Forbes 200 accumulates their wealth from gambling? Mana ada,only casino taukeh saja. Gambler? Wait until next century lah.

Frankly,out of thousand of peoples in Casino de Genting,90% walking out of casino as loser,only 10% are those lucky guy turun bukit with smiley face,while only 0.1% out of that 10% is smart punter who win most of the time. I use the word "most of the time" but not "everytime". When we talk about time,there is NO CLOCK in Casino de Genting..!! I had search every single corner of Casino de Genting included GWC Centre,but not even i found a single clock yet. This casino ah,uses this kind of "trick" to make you keep on gambling and gambling day-night without realize what is the time until you losing all your money,terrible.

If you wanna go to casino to win alot of money everytime,then you better sit at home and watch tv. Because most of the time you will lose due to the House Edge,CASINO GAMES INVENTED IN FAVOR OF CASINO not you. If you treat gambling as some exciting entertainment,that would be fine. After all,what kind of entertainment would let you bring home extra cash? AS LONG AS YOU DON'T GAMBLE,YOU ARE ALWAYS A WINNER.

I heard alot peoples said we should throw sweet or candy under the table,but so far i don't see it myself anyone purposely doing it yet. After all,who cares under the table got small ghost or not,all we care are whether there is any cash chip that other gambler drop on the floor or under the table..!! Anyhow,sometime i heard peoples said when their cash chip drop under the table,they couldn't find it anymore. It was weird,maybe because there was small ghost under the table who already took it? Who knew.

I don't think cheating in Casino de Genting is possible. There are alot big "eye in the sky" which able zoom in to see the time on your watch. Furthermore,those guys in Casino and Security Operation Department are very experience experts,especially their S.V.P (Senior Vice President) Lim Eng Ming with more than 30 yrs experience in casino business. Nowaday,casinos are well connected,once you got caught in a casino,your face and picture will be stick in the Security Department in the casino all over the world. As i know those guys in CSOD quite efficient,any ban-patron re-enter the casino would be caught for trespassing within 10 minutes. The guys in CSOD always exchange information with other casino on fraud/cheat matter,not to forget they have million of dollars to purchase the hightech equipment and employ best guy to detect in-process fraud/cheating. Just don't play-play,these CSOD guys are not as dumb as you think.

Wanna cheat in casino? Look at the video in this website first,see how the CSOD guy hantam you kuat-kuat until table also terbalik (fan toi)..!!

Cheating in casino

Btw,Bill Gates or Warren Buffett do gamble like us,but they are playing Poker. Just like BlackJack if you know the high-low card counter,sometime the odds will be favor of you and the game is beatable. As i know the biggest punter in the world is Kelly Packer,the ex-chairman of PBL Group and richest man in Australia. He placed USD 100k for each BlackJack hand and he placed all seven hands in each round..!! Even the big shot in Las Vegas also cannot tahan this kind of big stakes and not welcome him anymore. Although casino got enormous cash,but their opponent got infinite wealth of more than 20 billion,sure takut lah.

Bill Gates play a poker match

100 million toss coin bet

I guess your Martingale progression got problem with it.

1+2+3+4+6=16

Hence,if you bet 9 on the 6th hand,you are losing 7. Am i right on this?

When they losing,lagi cepat..



This post has been edited by jasonlim88: Dec 3 2007, 09:55 AM

Itu lah cara untuk menang..!!

Totally agree with you. All electronically controlled gaming in Casino de Genting tipu orang punya,especially the horse racing in Circus Palace and the Ultimate Baccarat in Latte or StarWorld.

I think that is the Jedi Master's Force or probably the Dark Force of Sith to "area spinning" in Roulette as described by Jiaxun..

You say Resort World Berhad may sue you in court just because you reveal the corporate "top secret" why the 10k cash-to-chip exchange require ID? I am laughing until fall down.

If RWB really does that,it is one of the silly and foolish litigation i ever heard in my lifetime. Don't worry,i can assure you that in past 3 years there is no litigation by RWB or against RWB,you can read their annual report to confirm my statement.

You work with RWB for part-time for 2 MONTHS only and you admitted yourself aren't that good,now you calling other people "loser" and listen to those who got the experience,those who seen more things than you do?! I presume you are saying yourself.

I realized YOU ARE CONFLICTING WITH YOURSELF. Sometime you say you are not that good and only work for part-time for 2 months only,then suddenly you say you got the experience and seen more things than us. You are a funny guy..

Me too laughing all the way when i was reading your posts. A kid who hasn't 21 years old and never and/or illegal to place a bet in casino talked like an expert and laughing at other peoples. You really a funny boy..

I believe you are asking yourself. Jiaxun,have you ever entered casino before? What i mean is not you go there and work as a croupier,but take out your hard earn money and betting on the table. I believe you don't,because YOU ARE NOT YET 21 YEARS OLD as you said it yourself.

In response to your question six,i don't believe casino management can't or don't do anything when they know a fraud/cheating is exist and in-process,i don't believe CSOD (Casino and Security Operation Department) A.M. like Mr Chan,Mr Lim or Ravi are so dumb like what you said. If they suspect a croupier involve in cheat at the roulette table,i believe the same guy/girl won't be the Roulette croupier forever,they just assign you to the card game. They will investigate your closed friend who is also croupier as well to see if there is more partners in this scam. That is the common sense of Casino and Security Operation Department. In Stephen Chow movie got alot of cheat lah,but in real life casino? NO WAY.

After reviewed your argument with Shahjees,sorry to say that i am more on Shahjees side. Unless your Croupier friend knows Jedi Master's Force or the Dark Force of Sith,otherwise i don't believe any cheat manipulation in Rouletter by any croupier. If your friend really do have that kind of magic skill,please contact me as i will take out 100k capital to partner up with him,he takes 90% winning while i take 10% already enough. I can make him millionaire within a month. Roulette manipulation? It is an urban legend rather than a fact.

In my point of view,CSOD (Security Dept) usually catch cheater thru three ways :

(a) Follow the money

If the guy places an unsual high stake bet,usually the pit boss will asks GWC from him to login the table system so the CSOD peoples can trace his record and betting history to verify whether this guy is a valid punter or cheater. If them think this guy got something tak betul,they just monitoring him closely and send a team of PB (Polis Bantuan) take him to security office if neccesary. The CSOD interrogation office located next to the Circus Palace entrance and next to the middle Starworld entrance (beside the toilet).

(b) Complaint from pit boss or croupier

These peoples who makan gaji with Casino de Genting will alert CSOD if something wrong happened.

© Tip off from public

Someone can call anonymous casino tip off line to alert the cheating and claim bonus.

Their cctv got slow motion monitoring mah,sure can see the card movement,unless you are David Copperfield apprentice or world class cheater lah then that is different story..

I placed 2k per hand on Baccarat three years ago,then the A.M. gave me a form with his recommendation to upgrade the Silver GWC at the GWC Centre outside Circus Palace. These pit boss hoh,tengok money only. If you keep betting more than 1k chip each hand like small matter,they will give you silver GWC. Maybe you can tell the pit boss "captain,i got 20k in my pocket now and i wanna show-hand one shot,these table limit 7k kacang putih,give me a silver GWC..!! "

Not much different. As i know when you first get the silver GWC you been assigned "28",which mean you can't bring two green GWC member to IR like other "21" does,futhermore you need to masuk IR for certain times and accumulate certain points in a year to be able renew your silver GWC to "21" next year.

The benefits ah,naik skyway no need q-up at skyway station,can park your car at Highland Hotel car park,masuk IR. Actually IR there also not so special,just the environment more better only. Got some terra cotta warriors at the entrance,four stupid dragon at the front and end of IR,got 5k yellow chip exchange,all RM100 note cashout at cashier cage,toilet cleaner,mango/peach juice more delicious..

How to upgrade to gold GWC? No idea and i don't care neither. I heard inside VIP there got alot of ghost,seldom got people win money there. Maybe got dracula,blood sucker,kiong see,small ghost,guai zai inside?

Usually i bring 2-3k to casino bok sat,most of the time i place RM200 just like other people did. Maybe to some people RM200 just kacang putih amount,but if losing streak happened RM1000 may gone within 5 minutes. Frankly,most of the time i loss. The reason very simple,because i am greedy just like most gamblers. Everytime i wanna win at least 5k,otherwise i won't turun bukit. Biggest winning in one day? 13k. Luck is very important,when you are in damn good luck,whatever you bet you will win. There got one Baccarat shoe i won 42 hands loss 19 hands with RM500 per hand. That was definitely Player shoe,all red color one,so i just keep bet player like other peoples,team spirit. Then got one time i bet RM100 after opening shoe PPBBBP,i guess that was good shoe so i just double-up (ma zhu xiong)..the outcome? RM100 turn into RM6400,sixty-four times..the result PPBBBPPPPPPPPB..because that's 7k limit table,i can't bet RM6400 anymore,so i just bet RM100 next hand and masuk pocket RM6300 the winning..Most of the time we will lose in Baccarat,but sometime the trend definitely predictable,either whole shoe Banker or hampir semua Player or long streaks..I guess those always play Baccarat understand what i mean..That is the damn time the odds in favor of our side but not Uncle Lim..When the shoe cantik,hantam kao kao;when the shoe teruk,cabut lari cepat..

ATM card withdrawal thru cashier cage is up to 5k or your bank limit,credit card up to 15k with 1.6% charged by casino..How do rich people bring so much money to gamble? Bring cash lah,some of them even with whole briefcase full of RM100 note. Just go to cashier cage,throw all the money into the box,within 5 minutes the cashier will gives you 10k value red crystal chips. Some of them just keep the crystal chips,write down the serial number on the chips,bring it home and bring back to casino next time,no need bring cash loh. In case the crystal chips kena curi,just call Casino de Genting to suspend that particular serial number crystal chips loh,simple. Cash out huge amount of money? The casino writes a cheque for you loh,or bank transfer to your account also can. It just a small matter,just afraid you don't have any money to cash out..

I don't know what are the differences between silver GWC 21,21(9),21(1) or else. As long as i can use it to masuk IR or no need to q-up for skyway on the weekend that is good card.

ATM card withdrawal at cashier cage has no surcharge.

How to describe leh,you go cashier cage ask the cashier lenglui show you the 10k value crystal chip lah. Just tell her she is very pretty,i bet the cashier girl will more than happy show the crystal chip to you for 2 seconds. You throw your hard earn money at least 10k into cashier cage box,the cashier will gives you one red color 10k value crystal chip,throw the crystal chip on the betting table to change it to betting chips then you can start either you hantam Uncle Lim kao kao or Uncle Lim sapu all you money.

The crystal chip denomination got 10k red color one and 1k blue color. Because some peoples don't wanna carry 100k cash (1000 pieces RM100 note) go home and come to casino next time mah,so they just carry 10 pieces 10k crystal chips loh,convenient.

So you think millionaire will simply bring million of dollars in cash to casino to gamble? Sure no lah. There are two options for super-rich,one is casino junket while another is Resort World Berhad - Casino Marketing Department. In the Grand Lisboa Macau,you can't even go into some private room without introduce by casino junket. As i know this casino junket can takes credit one,which mean you deposit money into their company account,then their man inside the casino will gives you cash chips. While the RWB's Casino Marketing Department lead by their S.V.P. Jeffrery Teoh will handle all your transportation,accomodation,F&B needs. Don't worry,if you are a high roller punter,these casino junket and casino marketing guys will come to you and not you go find them. They want your money..!!

Want casino writes you a cheque? I don't know but at least 100k gua. I did saw an uncle cash out 130k then go bank-in at Maybank downstair,nowaday where got peoples take huge money turun bukit one,throw all the money into cash deposit machine at Maybank or CIMB lah,or Public Bank in First World Hotel also can. One of the reason besides safety is because those rich-rich peoples wanna legalize their winning with casino cheque to prevent LHDN investigate their mystical income.

Aiya those Genting Points useless one lah,if they give you spend it reserve room loh,if they don't give forget about it loh. Want the Genting Points for what?! Want money mah..!!

The VIP room got two entrance,one beside the IR Bureau de Change and another at the Highland Hotel lobby. Unlike oriental theme in IR,it is Rome theme in VIP room. Baccarat in VIP will gives the highest bet punter see the cards slowly himself rather than the croupier opens for you in IR. If not mistaken the min bet is RM200 while the max bet is RM200k. VIP room is the place where most peoples loss all their business or property and jump off Ulu Kali hill,probably because too many ghosts inside?

To be more correct,Casino de Genting taken RM2,500,000,000 (2.5 billion) from gamblers last year,but Casino de Genting NEVER GIVE BACK ANY F**K**G MONEY TO GAMBLERS. EVERYONE IS LOSER EXCEPT CASINO.