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post Jan 15 2020, 08:59 PM, updated 6y ago

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Sila ulas. Jangan lupa baca thread & reply tweets sebelum ulas.
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:02 PM

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No. Ayam can't brain
To become citizen need know Malay?
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:02 PM

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Shitstorm inkambing
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(Lyu @ Jan 15 2020, 09:02 PM)
No. Ayam can't brain
To become citizen need know Malay?
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Dunno. What I know naturalization sure need to know Malay.
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(Lyu @ Jan 15 2020, 09:02 PM)
No. Ayam can't brain
To become citizen need know Malay?
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Yes.
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:04 PM

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I know some malay. U tak suka kek aou.
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:04 PM

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Akhirnya ada satu cikgu yang tahu tweet tanpa gunakan bahasa rempit
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:05 PM

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Cikgu puaka. U expect him to talk nicely? Lol
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 15 2020, 09:03 PM)
Dunno. What I know naturalization sure need to know Malay.
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That teacher tipu la
Xkan one BM also x tau
Either fasih onot another story

QUOTE(Kyojin @ Jan 15 2020, 09:03 PM)
Yes.
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U don't tipu
U born here, u Malaysian
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(Lyu @ Jan 15 2020, 09:06 PM)
That teacher tipu la
Xkan one BM also x tau
Either fasih onot another story
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Need to ask that teacher for confirmation
Me if uncle tua dunno bm ok lagi
If youngies dunno as in really kenot speak I no hope la
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(Lyu @ Jan 15 2020, 09:02 PM)
No. Ayam can't brain
To become citizen need know Malay?
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You must have at least adequate proficiency. Dont plotek sangat lah. It's the national language after all.
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:12 PM

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Yg kembar sister tu semua failed apo macan?
Yg keletetek tu Guna Bahasa Mars apo macan?
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:14 PM

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confirm puaka but not cikgu.
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:16 PM

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Not easy as a m'sian so many language need to learn , basically i can speak little bit of hokkien , Cantonese, Chinese , Malay and English and very little Tamil

Above not and issue I guess everything about lacking of social , unlike last time after finish school I go out padang sure got India and malay all play together learning different language from each other at least

After I'm age like 20 some family feel like racist or religious issue not sure so eventually everyone keep in distance

I miss the old day today gaduh esok dah kawan balik

Now living in urban areas everyone just smart phone
Sometimes friend ajak go lepak mostly I chat the rest all
Tengok phone Dan main game , now I totally malas nak layan when they ajak for lepak
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:16 PM

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Kalau budak cina, semua tiptop.

Yang tak tiptop tu, kasi la tongkat.


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post Jan 15 2020, 09:19 PM

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Lol he's assigned to the last few classes is it? laugh.gif
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:19 PM

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Don't blame the cigu. We don't want ignorant Malaysian. That's why racing everywhere
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:19 PM

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The profile name checks out, this cikgu memang puaka pengacau najis.
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:20 PM

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If born and raised in Malaysia, tapi tak tau BM, tu memang definisi warganegara sampah.

Lagi elok bagi citizenship dekat bangla
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:21 PM

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Why some people are destined cannot work in service line.


They are just pure loser.

Why are we letting losers becoming teacher?

Kenapa tak jadi kepsi workers?

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post Jan 15 2020, 09:21 PM

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ok. understood.
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Jan 15 2020, 09:20 PM)
If born and raised in Malaysia, tapi tak tau BM, tu memang definisi warganegara sampah.

Lagi elok bagi citizenship dekat bangla
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(Lyu @ Jan 15 2020, 09:02 PM)
No. Ayam can't brain
To become citizen need know Malay?
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QUOTE(Lyu @ Jan 15 2020, 09:06 PM)
That teacher tipu la
Xkan one BM also x tau
Either fasih onot another story
U don't tipu
U born here, u Malaysian
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You try request other country citizenship without knowing their national language. See can or not lah.
Want to live in Malaysia, want to be a Malaysian, but don't know how to speak national language properly. Really stupid.
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 15 2020, 09:08 PM)
Need to ask that teacher for confirmation
Me if uncle tua dunno bm ok lagi
If youngies dunno as in really kenot speak I no hope la
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Youngster no need la
Mandarin n English penting

Owai

QUOTE(shodan11 @ Jan 15 2020, 09:12 PM)
You must have at least adequate proficiency. Dont plotek sangat lah. It's the national language after all.
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National language?
So?
Language is just a language
Which language give u most opportunity n advantage, u learn that language
No sentimental feeling involved


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post Jan 15 2020, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(sle7in @ Jan 15 2020, 09:22 PM)
You try request other country citizenship without knowing their national language. See can or not lah.
Want to live in Malaysia, want to be a Malaysian, but don't know how to speak national language properly. Really stupid.
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U don't sohai
U ady citizen when u born here
Very hard to understand is it?
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(Lyu @ Jan 15 2020, 09:22 PM)
Youngster no need la
Mandarin n English penting

Owai
National language?
So?
Language is just a language
Which language give u most opportunity n advantage, u learn that language
No sentimental feeling involved
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Negara lain banyak lagi opportunity, kalau batak sangat taknak belajar BM, buat apa menyemak lagi dalam Malaysia ni?
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(Lyu @ Jan 15 2020, 09:02 PM)
No. Ayam can't brain
To become citizen need know Malay?
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Apparently yes, well.. If ure non malaysian applying for citizenship la
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:27 PM

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post Jan 15 2020, 09:29 PM

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More interested in playing race than teaching, baik jangan mengajar

You want me to start talking about Malay students who can't pass BM?
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:30 PM

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Again spreading fake news on Chinese cannot speak Malay. These people has no shame. Neraka awaits
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 15 2020, 09:25 PM)
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Apparently yes, well.. If ure non malaysian applying for citizenship la
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wow! very easy for bangla.
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:31 PM

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kalao susah ajar then quit la jadi guru. adoi
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QUOTE(ikankering @ Jan 15 2020, 09:30 PM)
wow! very easy for bangla.
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Anybody can learn malay if they want to. So freakin easy even bangla can do it..
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:34 PM

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Pergilah tanya cikgu BM sekolah rendah... Cara tak betul ke?

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know BM

go working environment, hello sir do you know mandarin? No? ok we will consider your position

No job


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post Jan 15 2020, 09:35 PM

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i swear all this post is just trying to stir shit. yes not knowing how to speak basic BM and English is big problem everybody also understand la.

whats the point of pointing out SJKC? SJKC UPSR how many passing rate for BM?
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:36 PM

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actually I can agree with the teacher...
from tadika until form 5, you learn BM

if you can't speak adequately, it's your own fucking fault

same shit when chinese berates a banana for not knowing mandarin
at least the banana has a legit excuse
usually banana family don't use mandarin at home and they didn't go srjkc
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Those r probably delinquent students.
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National language is a must
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QUOTE(Lyu @ Jan 15 2020, 09:02 PM)
No. Ayam can't brain
To become citizen need know Malay?
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I doubt sumareh can speak BM.
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 15 2020, 09:30 PM)
Again spreading fake news on Chinese cannot speak Malay. These people has no shame. Neraka awaits
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I found plenty. Can barely construct a simple sentence. Even my korean is better than their BM.

Malai? Malai? Bla bla bla in a language i don’t understand. Give up and looked for a translator instead.
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 15 2020, 09:40 PM)
I found plenty. Can barely construct a simple sentence. Even my korean is better than their BM.

Malai? Malai? Bla bla bla in a language i don’t understand. Give up and looked for a translator instead.
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just compare with fellow Malaysian Indians... brows.gif
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:00 PM

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the teacher should clarify that what class is he or she teaching.
is the last few class or the top class.

if last few class, normal lah, those student either not interest in learning or having difficulty of learning.

if from those top class, is it possible those students don't understand malay?

so as a teacher, like it or not, is your responsibility to teach them.
else go find other job, don't be teacher
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QUOTE(dean.ab25 @ Jan 15 2020, 09:48 PM)
just compare with fellow Malaysian Indians...  brows.gif
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Most malaysian indian i met can speak fluent BM and fluent English. But most of them went to SK. Not sure about BM’s quality of SJKT students.

Sometimes i used them to translate india indian’s english sweat.gif
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 15 2020, 09:40 PM)
I found plenty. Can barely construct a simple sentence. Even my korean is better than their BM.

Malai? Malai? Bla bla bla in a language i don’t understand. Give up and looked for a translator instead.
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Tunjukkan with prove. Your cheap trooper and racist posts mean nothing but fake news
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:06 PM

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plotek plotek lol

just face it please there are malaysian chinese that struggles with bm lol

i experienced it firsthand with 2 chinese boys getting roasted by a bus driver for failing to understand a simple bm

their excuses were they're chinese not malay lol
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 15 2020, 10:03 PM)
Tunjukkan with prove. Your cheap trooper and racist posts mean nothing but fake news
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How to prove? Take video and viral it in the internet? I am not a racist to embarrass people in the internet like that.
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 15 2020, 10:03 PM)
Tunjukkan with prove. Your cheap trooper and racist posts mean nothing but fake news
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You either live in a bubble or actively choose to ignore it, but a significant number of people (citizen) especially chinese, don't know BM. I'm not talking old nak mati one, but middle age and even young ones. And this is in the city and suburb.

There's a reason people keep making jokes and insults like "...duduk Malaysia tapi sepatah haram BM tak boleh cakap", it's because it's true, not just baseless stereotype.

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post Jan 15 2020, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 09:35 PM)
i swear all this post is just trying to stir shit. yes not knowing how to speak basic BM and English is big problem everybody also understand la.

whats the point of pointing out SJKC? SJKC UPSR how many passing rate for BM?
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to shows that even sjkt can speak bm what's with sjkc lol
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 15 2020, 10:06 PM)
How to prove? Take video and viral it in the internet? I am not a racist to embarrass people in the internet like that.
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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Jan 15 2020, 10:07 PM)
You either live in a bubble or actively choose to ignore it, but a significant number of people (citizen) especially chinese, don't know BM. I'm not talking old nak mati one, but middle age and even young ones. And this is in the city and suburb.

There's a reason people keep making jokes and insults like "...duduk Malaysia tapi sepatah haram BM tak boleh cakap", it's because it's true, not just baseless stereotype.
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Cakap sebegini, apa bezanya dengan stereotype without proof by saying Melayu malas?

Topkek
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QUOTE(CTSBD.ONE @ Jan 15 2020, 10:06 PM)
plotek plotek lol

just face it please there are malaysian chinese that struggles with bm lol

i experienced it firsthand with 2 chinese boys getting roasted by a bus driver for failing to understand a simple bm

their excuses were they're chinese not malay lol
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Worse when the patient doesn't even understand BM enough. English tabuli. How to talk? Need a translator to Chinese. In simpler BM also tabuli.

Adult patient. 25-35 age. Should lucut warganegara.

Truestory.gif ^
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 15 2020, 10:10 PM)
Cakap sebegini, apa bezanya dengan stereotype without proof by saying Melayu malas?

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melayu memang malas

so wtf is your point? nak tukar topic pulak
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QUOTE(Lyu @ Jan 15 2020, 09:02 PM)
No. Ayam can't brain
To become citizen need know Malay?
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But at least know some English lor, don’t be so ego. Malay proverb say, you dunno how to live in society better live in jungle.
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QUOTE(fu'house @ Jan 15 2020, 10:11 PM)
Worse when the patient doesn't even understand BM enough. English tabuli. How to talk? Need a translator to Chinese. In simpler BM also tabuli.

Adult patient. 25-35 age. Should lucut warganegara.

Truestory.gif ^
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yup i heard such cases in hospitals as well lol


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post Jan 15 2020, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 15 2020, 10:03 PM)
Tunjukkan with prove. Your cheap trooper and racist posts mean nothing but fake news
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I bet you never hanging out with other races since baby. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(CTSBD.ONE @ Jan 15 2020, 10:06 PM)
plotek plotek lol

just face it please there are malaysian chinese that struggles with bm lol

i experienced it firsthand with 2 chinese boys getting roasted by a bus driver for failing to understand a simple bm

their excuses were they're chinese not malay lol
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QUOTE(fu'house @ Jan 15 2020, 10:11 PM)
Worse when the patient doesn't even understand BM enough. English tabuli. How to talk? Need a translator to Chinese. In simpler BM also tabuli.

Adult patient. 25-35 age. Should lucut warganegara.

Truestory.gif ^
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Ever seen Malays that failed BM exams in schools? True story too

If you wanna cherry pick, apa pun boleh. Especially there are so many foreigners that looked like local Chinese.

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those who dont understand easy language like BM is a pure loser

inb4 my mother tongue is not malay
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post Jan 15 2020, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(Lyu @ Jan 15 2020, 09:06 PM)
That teacher tipu la
Xkan one BM also x tau
Either fasih onot another story
U don't tipu
U born here, u Malaysian
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If naturalized need to learn, those who born here and don't speak BM can keluar.
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 15 2020, 10:15 PM)
Ever seen Malays that failed BM exams in schools? True story too

If you wanna cherry pick, apa pun boleh. Especially there are so many foreigners that looked like local Chinese.
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yes there are malays that failed bm too lol

it means they're stupid not because they can't speak bm lol

people casually overlooked the part where the teacher said even sjkt can speak bm so why sjkc can't lol
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QUOTE(Rhetoric @ Jan 15 2020, 10:15 PM)
I bet you never hanging out with other races since baby.  tongue.gif
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That is probably you, because Malay speaking local Chinese are everywhere.

Stop this stupid fake news.

And don't mix up with fasih in bahasa and sekadar boleh bertutur.
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QUOTE(CTSBD.ONE @ Jan 15 2020, 10:17 PM)
yes there are malays that failed bm too lol

it means they're stupid not because they can't speak bm lol

people casually overlooked the part where the teacher said even sjkt can speak bm so why sjkc can't lol
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Then those Malays that failed bahasa exam even more questionable right?

Nak jaga tepi kain orang.
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 15 2020, 10:20 PM)
That is probably you, because Malay speaking local Chinese are everywhere.

Stop this stupid fake news.

And don't mix up with fasih in bahasa and sekadar boleh bertutur.
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yeah this is so ridiculous. chinese that cant speak simple malay are so rare.

but all these racist supremacist bullshiters want to bring it out every time like its everywhere. lol.

if you simply pick and chinese guy 8/10 sure can speak proper malay. but can we say the same the other way?

can 8/10 malay guy speak chinese?

seriously wtf is it with all this people just because somebody cant speak your language you suka suka want to threathen lucut warganera apenda.

if in western country, any white person that say this kind of thing conlanfirm will kena sound openly as racist nazi KKK.

only in malaysia they can be so anti communist but cannot wake up and see how they embrace one of the core of communism, one supreme race.
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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Jan 15 2020, 10:12 PM)
melayu memang malas

so wtf is your point? nak tukar topic pulak
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Dah admit pun. So dah la malas, so usah jaga tepi kain orang
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 15 2020, 10:23 PM)
Then those Malays that failed bahasa exam even more questionable right?

Nak jaga tepi kain orang.
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already told you they're stupid not like they can't speak bm lol

but if you can't even speak bm then how can you pass your oral exam lol

just accept it such chinese do exist no need to plotek much lol
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:23 PM)
yeah this is so ridiculous. chinese that cant speak simple malay are so rare.

but all these racist supremacist bullshiters want to bring it out every time like its everywhere. lol.

if you simply pick and chinese guy 8/10 sure can speak proper malay. but can we say the same the other way?

can 8/10 malay guy speak chinese?

seriously wtf is it with all this people just because somebody cant speak your language you suka suka want to threathen lucut warganera apenda.

if in western country, any white person that say this kind of thing conlanfirm will kena sound openly as racist nazi KKK.

only in malaysia they can be so anti communist but cannot wake up and see how they embrace one of the core of communism, one supreme race.
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Exactly my sentiment. These extremists love stirring shits.

Worse are those spreading fake news like nobody's business. Lies told often became real. Look at those social media groups where it turned into hate groups, with fake pictures and all.

Just like how they demonize DAP as anti-Islam, 513 started by Cina and all kind of shits.

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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:23 PM)
yeah this is so ridiculous. chinese that cant speak simple malay are so rare.

but all these racist supremacist bullshiters want to bring it out every time like its everywhere. lol.

if you simply pick and chinese guy 8/10 sure can speak proper malay. but can we say the same the other way?

can 8/10 malay guy speak chinese?

seriously wtf is it with all this people just because somebody cant speak your language you suka suka want to threathen lucut warganera apenda.

if in western country, any white person that say this kind of thing conlanfirm will kena sound openly as racist nazi KKK.

only in malaysia they can be so anti communist but cannot wake up and see how they embrace one of the core of communism, one supreme race.
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LOL

If a Malaysian can't speak chinese, that's understandable and very normal la, this is Malaysia, our official language is BM, not Mandarin, not Cantonese.

If you said that about English, ada masuk akal la because we were occupied by British, tapi Chinese? lol

facepalm betul la orang cam kau ni

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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 15 2020, 10:26 PM)
Dah admit pun. So dah la malas, so usah jaga tepi kain orang
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nampak sangat takde argument.

keep living your little bubble
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QUOTE(Lyu @ Jan 15 2020, 09:06 PM)
That teacher tipu la
Xkan one BM also x tau
Either fasih onot another story
U don't tipu
U born here, u Malaysian
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Yg kembar sister tu semua failed apo macan?
Yg keletetek tu Guna Bahasa Mars apo macan?
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If they fail it's ok one, jgn personal, but IF pendatang fail cannot lor, mana boleh ini machieam?? Must please the Tuan first ma.

Either your bm is porrfeck or it is 100% failed, which means even if you skor 99% the cekgu will still post that tweets bro.

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wow! very easy for bangla.
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Not easy.
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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Jan 15 2020, 10:28 PM)
LOL

If a Malaysian can't speak chinese, that's understandable and very normal la, this is Malaysia, our official language is BM, not Mandarin, not Cantonese.

If you said that about English, ada masuk akal la because we were occupied by British, tapi Chinese? lol

facepalm betul la orang cam kau ni
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Chinese is the most spoken language in the world.

China is our number one trade partner in Malaysia.

Otak udang like you don't want to survive okay, but all other rakyat2 and families wanted to. So stop speaking and try to representing others.

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Cakap sebegini, apa bezanya dengan stereotype without proof by saying Melayu malas?

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I am not stereotyping each and every of them can’t speak BM. I am just saying there are plenty of them. They do exist.
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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Jan 15 2020, 10:28 PM)
LOL

If a Malaysian can't speak chinese, that's understandable and very normal la, this is Malaysia, our official language is BM, not Mandarin, not Cantonese.

If you said that about English, ada masuk akal la because we were occupied by British, tapi Chinese? lol

facepalm betul la orang cam kau ni
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so? but all this racist want to bring it out as its one of the main criteria as a MALAYSIAN. last i know, being a Chinese is also one the major race in malaysia, and so is mandarin and tamil is also part of the core of Malaysian languages.
so you want to talk about English, same scenario.

maybe 6/10 chinese guy can speak english fluently.
maybe 9/10 indian guy can speak english fluently.
maybe only 3/10 malay guy can speak english fluently.

and these 10 malay guys are not your typical pasar kampung uncle aunty, some can boast about having masters degree but basic english also cannot? whats the excuse?

BM already mandated by government every single person that go to school have to pass BM in exam. so every kid already have textbook knowledge of that language.
language is this way, if you no use it, you never practice it, slowly slowly you will forget. who to blame this? blame your own, why BM until to date is not global? not use in private sector? even in media also. who to blame la you tell me. blame the language being not practical and no real world usage. LOL.

as in my point is nobody is refuting the facts that a person that cannot speak malay in malaysia is bad, but i want to emphasise is all this racist come out from every crooks and crannies biting on this point to push their malay supremacist ideology, and start shouting balik china balik china, buang negara, lucut warganera bullshit.

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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Jan 15 2020, 10:30 PM)
nampak sangat takde argument.

keep living your little bubble
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My view is super wide with many languages. Sendiri cetek dan di bawah tempurung sudah cukup.
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This for those who is applying for citizenship.

We expect all citizen born here to be already good in BM. Sadly that is not the case.

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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:23 PM)
yeah this is so ridiculous. chinese that cant speak simple malay are so rare.

but all these racist supremacist bullshiters want to bring it out every time like its everywhere. lol.

if you simply pick and chinese guy 8/10 sure can speak proper malay. but can we say the same the other way?

can 8/10 malay guy speak chinese?

seriously wtf is it with all this people just because somebody cant speak your language you suka suka want to threathen lucut warganera apenda.

if in western country, any white person that say this kind of thing conlanfirm will kena sound openly as racist nazi KKK.

only in malaysia they can be so anti communist but cannot wake up and see how they embrace one of the core of communism, one supreme race.
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uh... no...

example in US

u need to be proficient, read; PROFICIENT, bukan passable, in english to become a naturalized citizen. not only that, u need to learn their history and their govt. u even need to sit for a test for that

https://www.boundless.com/immigration-resou...p-requirements/

same goes for UK as well

https://www.immigrationdirect.co.uk/how-to-...sh-citizen.html

same goes with french

https://www.expatica.com/fr/moving/citizens...sidence-107626/
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 15 2020, 10:34 PM)
My view is super wide with many languages. Sendiri cetek dan di bawah tempurung sudah cukup.
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alolo fragile bubble man reported my reply keciann

you are one of the plotek pieces of shits, no way to reason with people like you
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 15 2020, 10:36 PM)
uh... no...

example in US

u need to be proficient, read; PROFICIENT, bukan passable, in english to become a naturalized citizen. not only that, u need to learn their history and their govt. u even need to sit for a test for that

https://www.boundless.com/immigration-resou...p-requirements/

same goes for UK as well

https://www.immigrationdirect.co.uk/how-to-...sh-citizen.html

same goes with french

https://www.expatica.com/fr/moving/citizens...sidence-107626/
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yes, to apply for citizenship yes. but there will be also some second generation immigrant kids which is born into the country. you all keep trying to pinpoint this oh la la you want to apply for A-country citizenship, you must speak A-country language! so are you trying to bring back that all the chinese/indian/non malay in Malaysia is immigrant? that they are begging/applying for YOUR citizenship? you all need to wake up and knock your head that all these are MALAYSIAN born and raise no matter you like it or not.

If malays can defend shithead racists like Zakir Naik why cant malays help and defend your fellow countryman? is it because they think they're supreme? the better group?

just one of the many example of how people are standing up against all this racist, "SPEAK MY LANGUAGE OR GO HOME" is synonym with racism.



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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 15 2020, 10:36 PM)
uh... no...

example in US

u need to be proficient, read; PROFICIENT, bukan passable, in english to become a naturalized citizen. not only that, u need to learn their history and their govt. u even need to sit for a test for that

https://www.boundless.com/immigration-resou...p-requirements/

same goes for UK as well

https://www.immigrationdirect.co.uk/how-to-...sh-citizen.html

same goes with french

https://www.expatica.com/fr/moving/citizens...sidence-107626/
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plotektor like him always got excuse, tak payah la, buat penat je

BM no standard la, Chinese world class language la, China next superpower la, BM not mainstream enough la, BM low class la

tok kok a lot but still not getting the point of knowing the language of your OWN country
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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Jan 15 2020, 10:41 PM)
plotektor like him always got excuse, tak payah la, buat penat je

BM no standard la, Chinese world class language la, China next superpower la, BM not mainstream enough la, BM low class la

tok kok a lot but still not getting the point of knowing the language of your OWN country
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are you daft? majority of the people here understand that if you are born and raise in Malaysia if you cannot speak Malay then there's a problem. but its a minor one. but yall making it as if its a god forsaken crime need to ban this ban that shut down this shut down that.

so back to original post about the cikgu, if he has a problem teaching english/malay to students because of the language barrier doesnt it mean he's not qualified to be one? if you go to any language class, easiest way for someone to pickup a language is by using their own mothertongue as a reference, as a translation, etc. so the teacher maybe have to be proficient in both Chinese+English/Malay

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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:38 PM)
yes, but there will be also some second generation immigrant kids which is born into the country.

just one of the many example of how people are standing up against all this racist, "SPEAK MY LANGUAGE OR GO HOME" is synonym with racism.


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theyre called racist coz they want to stop ppl from speaking their mother's tongue. did malaysia try to stop chinese from speaking their mother's tongue? no!

and jus soli doesnt extend to the parent of the children who are born in US. u want us citizenship? u still need to meet the requirement, one of which, be proficient in english!

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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:43 PM)
are you daft? majority of the people here understand that if you are born and raise in Malaysia if you cannot speak Malay then there's a problem. but its a minor one. but yall making it as if its a god forsaken crime need to ban this ban that shut down this shut down that.
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except it's not minor. It's symptom of a much worse root cause

everywhere you go, you try to integrate with the culture, learn the language.. ni born and raised but not even trying to integrate sampai barely know BM?

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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 15 2020, 10:44 PM)
theyre called racist coz they want to stop ppl from speaking their mother's tongue. did malaysia try to stop chinese from speaking their mother's tongue? no!

and jus soli doesnt extend to the parent of the children who are born in US. u want us citizenship? u still need to meet the requirement, one of which, be proficient in english!
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im not very well verse on us immigration law. lol sorry but sounds like bullshit. so you saying every single baby that was born need to go through english test before can be US Citizen.

stop harping on the citizenship point la its just gonna make you look like a ignorant racist.
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maybe cikgu dont know how to teach..
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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Jan 15 2020, 10:41 PM)
plotektor like him always got excuse, tak payah la, buat penat je

BM no standard la, Chinese world class language la, China next superpower la, BM not mainstream enough la, BM low class la

tok kok a lot but still not getting the point of knowing the language of your OWN country
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Sometimes I don’t understand this kind of people. Claim they are malaysian, but talk about memperkasakan bahasa mandarin as if you can’t survive without mandarin. My bosses from germany don’t know shit about mandarin but they are doing fine. Heck even a regional manager from china speaks english to us not mandarin when we have regional meeting.

Just leave the duty of memperkasakan bahasa mandarin to PRC. Stop comparing national language and optional language that not everyone find useful.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 15 2020, 10:48 PM)
Sometimes I don’t understand this kind of people. Claim they are malaysian, but talk about memperkasakan bahasa mandarin as if you can’t survive without mandarin. My bosses from germany don’t know shit about mandarin but they are doing fine. Heck even a regional manager from china speaks english to us not mandarin when we have regional meeting.

Just leave the duty of memperkasakan bahasa mandarin to PRC. Stop comparing national language and optional language that not everyone find useful.
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And still dare to complain why pipu so lesis towards them lol
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:47 PM)
im not very well verse on us immigration law. lol sorry but sounds like bullshit. so you saying every single baby that was born need to go through english test before can be US Citizen.

stop harping on the citizenship point la its just gonna make you look like a ignorant racist.
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haih... wat ure talking is JUS SOLI... u can be a citizen of US if u were born on US soil. but the citizenship doesnt extend to the parent of the child. meaning, if the parent want to become the citizen of US, s/he still need to meet the requirement specified by US, one of which, be proficient in english

capiche?
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 15 2020, 10:48 PM)
Sometimes I don’t understand this kind of people. Claim they are malaysian, but talk about memperkasakan bahasa mandarin as if you can’t survive without mandarin. My bosses from germany don’t know shit about mandarin but they are doing fine. Heck even a regional manager from china speaks english to us not mandarin when we have regional meeting.

Just leave the duty of memperkasakan bahasa mandarin to PRC. Stop comparing national language and optional language that not everyone find useful.
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lol you see this is where the problem is, yall keep saying chinese is another country language, bla bla bla PRC bla bla bla.

you really cannot see how racist that sounds? after so many years you all still cannot treat other race as equal as malaysian, then ada hati nak depa petahankan your culture?
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QUOTE(Lyu @ Jan 15 2020, 09:02 PM)
No. Ayam can't brain
To become citizen need know Malay?
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 15 2020, 10:50 PM)
haih... wat ure talking is JUS SOLI... u can be a citizen of US if u were born on US soil. but the citizenship doesnt extend to the parent of the child. meaning, if the parent want to become the citizen of US, s/he still need to meet the requirement specified by US, one of which, be proficient in english

capiche?
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yes so? my point is not about applying for citizenship. my point is people are harping on " KALAU X TAU CAKAP MELAYU U BLA BALIK CHINA' im saying in western country if someone say something like this is conlanfirm racist la.

not everyone can speak every language, there will be a small amount of people that can only speak one language that they speak since young. that doesnt make these people any less Malaysian than you or me.
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Pertama sekali, saya tak percaya si "cikgu" ini. Mungkin adalah akaun askar siber, bertujuan untuk menimbulkan isu rasisme antara kaum.

Kedua, walaupun memang terdapat segolongan kecil orang yang tidak mampu bertutur dalam Bahasa Melayu dengan fasih, tetapi kerana mereka bukan tidak mempunyai kewarganegaraan yang sama taraf dengan puak putera bumi, maka tidak mustahak untuk mereka mempelajari atau memfasihkan diri dalam bahasa tersebut.

Akhirnya, SJKC memang patutlah memastikan graduan-graduannya fasih dalam tiga bahasa. Jangan benarkan puak-puak putera bumi ini memandang rendah terhadap sekolah-sekolah vernakular atau graduan-graduan sekolah vernakular. Lebih baik, kalau boleh pastikan pelajar-pelajar sekolah graduan mampu menguasai dunia pertandingan Bahasa Melayu, maka tiada lagilah alasan-alasan si puak putera bumi ini untuk cuba memansuhkan sekolah-sekolah vernakular.

Zaman saya masih bersekolah, juara-juara pertandingan Bahasa Melayu adalah daripada kaum-kaum bukan Melayu. Kaum-kaum bukan Melayu perlu menunjukkan kepada kaum Melayu bahawa penguasaan Bahasa bukanlah dunia yang diterajui mereka.

Demikianlah. Terpulanglah. Buy Malay Final-lah.
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:52 PM)
lol you see this is where the problem is, yall keep saying chinese is another country language, bla bla bla PRC bla bla bla.

you really cannot see how racist that sounds? after so many years you all still cannot treat other race as equal as malaysian, then ada hati nak depa petahankan your culture?
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That’s a fact. Mandarin is the national language of PRC. I am not saying you should stop learning your ancestor’s language. I am just saying that stop comparing the importance of learing your ancestor’s language with our national language. That’s all. What is so racist about that?
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 15 2020, 10:54 PM)
That’s a fact. Mandarin is the national language of PRC. I am not saying you should stop learning your ancestor’s language. I am just saying that stop comparing the importance of learing your ancestor’s language with our national language. That’s all. What is so racist about that?
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because most chinese malaysian do not identify with PRC anything at all la. to them their language is malaysian chinese language, not PRC language. even PRC mandarin and our mandarin got some differences with words usage, tones, sentence structure and pronunciation.

but you all asyik jer say nak say ooo PRC worshipper asyik nak cakap bahasa PRC. whats so difficult to recognise that chinese malaysian are equally malaysian as you? why sikit sikit nak threathen orang balik china? sikit sikit want to say PRC this PRC that. as if orang cina here berhutang with malay people need to beg from malays to remain as a malaysian.

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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:54 PM)
yes so? my point is not about applying for citizenship. my point is people are harping on " KALAU X TAU CAKAP MELAYU U BLA BALIK CHINA' im saying in western country if someone say something like this is conlanfirm racist la.

not everyone can speak every language, there will be a small amount of people that can only speak one language that they speak since young. that doesnt make these people any less Malaysian than you or me.
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yes, no, maybe. but one thing for sure, that is u failed to integrate into the society and ur circle is only ur race.

even youngsters in rumah panjang deep in the jungle of Sabah Sarawak, orang asli in Pahang jungle, can converse in malay and their mother's tongue,

so what excuse can u give, for someone who live in big cities, have better school facilities, better teachers, has alot of ppl from different races around you, but fail to grasp malay language?

malay language not penting? fine, so be it... but how about english? english pun tabule? mati la ini machiam...

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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 11:02 PM)
but this is malaysia, malaysia is very unique because it has 3 main race with their own culture and languages. and all should be equal. yes there is a national language, but if someone not proficient in that language doesnt mean he's not malaysian.

if you racist, its ok to admit that you are a malay supremacist and thinks malay is the supreme grand race , thats better than every other then ok fine.
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No we're not. Stop telling that lie. Also, who were talking about being proficient here?? No one said anything about being proficient. We're talking about people who barely even knows BM. Barely and being proficient are two different things. Also, no one said about them not being Malaysian, we're just saying it's fucked up that's you're Malaysian but don't know BM.

Stop twisting words.

also i hate all races equally

feel free to check my post history, i bash on Malay, Chinese, Indians, well maybe not Indians as much, they're pretty boring nowadays, not much controversy.

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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:23 PM)
yeah this is so ridiculous. chinese that cant speak simple malay are so rare.

but all these racist supremacist bullshiters want to bring it out every time like its everywhere. lol.

if you simply pick and chinese guy 8/10 sure can speak proper malay. but can we say the same the other way?

can 8/10 malay guy speak chinese?

seriously wtf is it with all this people just because somebody cant speak your language you suka suka want to threathen lucut warganera apenda.

if in western country, any white person that say this kind of thing conlanfirm will kena sound openly as racist nazi KKK.

only in malaysia they can be so anti communist but cannot wake up and see how they embrace one of the core of communism, one supreme race.
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Lol in Western country can't speak English dah kena halau balik doh.gif

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QUOTE(ryanlit @ Jan 15 2020, 11:02 PM)
My 2 cen opinion ya......

it is kinda true fact ...but mainly  because they putting learning BM to the lowest priority possible....
Bukannya nak jadi cikgu BM pun...bukannya nak makan gaji kah krjaan....

just enough to communicate with group that calling them pendatang ...mind you all this pendatang banyak menharumkan nama negara for positive reason.........bukannyan sperti Bekas duta Malaysia ke Jerman dlm cubaan merogol....
since u mentang mentang call them pendatang.....so the perangai pendatang you are getting lo.....

They had not given choice to pick where to be born, but definitely have choice to decide where they want to excel in their future....which is English and chinese.....

Difficult to understand? well....brain size does matter......
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biarlah aku dah x larat nak sembang with racist that cant see everyone else as equal
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 11:08 PM)
biarlah aku dah x larat nak sembang with racist that cant see everyone else as equal

translation: aku mesti pergi plotek di tempat lain pulak
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Sitiawan got so many Chinese, old and young who barely understand Malay. Very difficult to communicate when they go to hospital to get treatment. Have to call other doctors who know mandarin or other dialects. Problem when patients too many and all doctors are too busy.

I personally know one guy who straight after school helped his sisters operate a hardware shop. Initially very bad BM. Struggle to communicate but after a few years he manned the shop now fluent already. I say 90 percent of his customers are Malay.
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No. Ayam can't brain
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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 15 2020, 09:08 PM)
Need to ask that teacher for confirmation
Me if uncle tua dunno bm ok lagi
If youngies dunno as in really kenot speak I no hope la
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QUOTE(ryanlit @ Jan 15 2020, 11:28 PM)
Thats consequences! Fact....

What really putting learning BM to low priority in the first place?....lack of patriotism? it has nothing to do with it....incase u want to put it that way...

They non can survive without Excel in learning BM...thats fact......
Malay gets angry when others dont do well in Malay is merely ego tercabar.....
Anyway.....A malaysian should learn BM because it is an identity as a malaysian.....so tak pyh nak caci for those who are not really good in malay.....look at mirror how you behave before " demanding" ppl to respect you.
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yes u can survive, but does that means ure integrated into the society? BM not important? good point, fair enough... but ENGLISH? if u say english oso not important, mati la ini machiam... how do u interact with the society other than ur own race? sure, u can survive, but ure not integrated into the society! u dont integrate into the society, more prejudism arise ! and that is also, A FACT!

old ppl understandable la... olden days, our education system is of low quality, and u need to be privileged in order to have education but today? in this era? hogwash..bullshit.. that just mean u dont want to mingle with other races

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True teacher won’t rant like this.

please learn from GTO.
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Yang penting sekali, tolong gunakan bahasa Melayu yang rasmi dengan tatabahasa yang betul dan tepat. Janganlah mencampur perkataan bahasa Inggeris atau kata-kata singkatan kerana ini merupakan halangan untuk pengguna BM rasmi seperti saya untuk membaca dan memahami.
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QUOTE(ryanlit @ Jan 15 2020, 11:28 PM)
Thats consequences! Fact....

What really putting learning BM to low priority in the first place?....lack of patriotism? it has nothing to do with it....incase u want to put it that way...

They non can survive without Excel in learning BM...thats fact......
Malay gets angry when others dont do well in Malay is merely ego tercabar.....
Anyway.....A malaysian should learn BM because it is an identity as a malaysian.....so tak pyh nak caci for those who are not really good in malay.....look at mirror how you behave before " demanding" ppl to respect you.
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There should be a definition.

Good
Decent
Fair
Sikit sikit/not willing to speak

The last group should lose their rights temporarily as citizen. Like someone said, UK US Canada Australia wants you to be decent in Language and their History for PR consideration. A Malaysian requirement, is less than the "decent" level - you gotta be at least Fair & just the language, don't even include the history. Fair enough to go gov office to talk/talk to cops/able to talk and listen to medical services/the market/getting food.

Give them old SRP or current PMR BM papers to pass first, then citizen rights like driving learning/voting/purchase finance banking/dealing with gov is restored.

Doesn't matter if "you are not really good" - your citizenship is secure and protected. Can order mamak? Can talk to your neighbours? Ok good rakyat.

Back to topic, those 16 17 year old but totally kennot speak or pass Malay language - lucut. Learn it to basic asas level. Still young. Once pass the exam, given back citizen rights or else goodbye seek your fortune at other country at age of 30. Are they even a citizen at all.

Want to look at JPN? To apply already need memadai and asas, for the very old pipul who go through war/no school.

(For masukan)
Pemohon mempunyai pengetahuan Bahasa Melayu yang memadai.

(For those born before 31 Aug 1957)
Pemohon mempunyai pengetahuan asas Bahasa Melayu.

No need to be triggered like the tard Ned lah.
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lemme answer for u

because /some/ groups of people consider Malay as inferior language, no need learn also ok.

meanwhile ang moh language must kowtow. if u dun belip, try telling ppl u speak french vs u speak khmer. reaction from those group will be vastly different.


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QUOTE(AgogoLatoto @ Jan 16 2020, 12:22 AM)
lemme answer for u

because /some/ groups of people consider Malay as inferior language, no need learn also ok.

meanwhile ang moh language must kowtow. if u dun belip, try telling ppl u speak french vs u speak khmer. reaction from those group will be vastly different.
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kalau english pun tabule? mati la ini machiam... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 16 2020, 12:26 AM)
kalau english pun tabule? mati la ini machiam... laugh.gif
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maybe that case they consider english to be inferior language too

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QUOTE(ryanlit @ Jan 16 2020, 12:26 AM)
"dont want to mingle with other races" is what malay usually put this words to the nons......unless you can proof what you just said else it will be  just another bullshit....

living in this country it is almost impossible not to mingle with others..... proof me wrong.....show me an example but not from your own imagination.....

how many of them not proficient in either Malay or English these days?  got statistic? Unless the individual never been to school or really school dropout individual....

If you are a nice person, who wouldnt want to mix with you, right?  only barbarian the people will try to avoid .....common sense...
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so why them students (in original post) struggles to speak BM and BI? lazy to learn? ok... fair enough... so how did they interact with ppl other than their race? sign language all the way? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ryanlit @ Jan 16 2020, 01:17 AM)
Lazy to learn yes...why not....they are human being just like you ...unless you are being told that you are god race...then it is different story.

Lazy is not only exclusive to one particular race who Mahathir used to said....

"Struggles" is very subjective ....to whos standard you measure this?

Some grad excel in excel BI or BM in writting but couldnt speak fluently in both language, is that sound familiar with you?

And how many of them? you are generalized base on one school teacher braggggging.....which of cause is not a teacher material person obviously.

And what is the school for? 

they have 3 languages to learn propably JAWI in future and thats make up 4.......efficiency will drop unless you listen and read frequently....else will be half baked.

the point here is ...you learn you master it and if not either you are lazy or put lower priority to master it...period.....before it turns to racing mode.
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After so many thread you still can't comprehend that jawi is not another language. It is a writing system used for Malay language prior to the introduction of Roman alphabet.
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 15 2020, 11:57 PM)

old ppl understandable la... olden days, our education system is of low quality, and u need to be privileged in order to have education but today? in this era? hogwash..bullshit.. that just mean u dont want to mingle with other races
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I forgot why Ponggol diharamkan... LOL!!!
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:58 PM)
because most chinese malaysian do not identify with PRC anything at all la. to them their language is malaysian chinese language, not PRC language. even PRC mandarin and our mandarin got some differences with words usage, tones, sentence structure and pronunciation.

but you all asyik jer say nak say ooo PRC worshipper asyik nak cakap bahasa PRC. whats so difficult to recognise that chinese malaysian are equally malaysian as you? why sikit sikit nak threathen orang balik china? sikit sikit want to say PRC this PRC that. as if orang cina here berhutang with malay people need to beg from malays to remain as a malaysian.
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I didn’t recall saying any of that. All i said was don’t equate national language with your ancestor language. Nobody is stopping you from learning languages. All people are saying is that the most important thing is to learn our national language before anything else.
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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Jan 15 2020, 09:20 PM)
If born and raised in Malaysia, tapi tak tau BM, tu memang definisi warganegara sampah.

Lagi elok bagi citizenship dekat bangla
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Said many times, SJKC most cannot speak both.
Last time when i was in school, got chinese student from SJKC change to SMK.

English tak faham, BM tak faham, only expecting people to talk mandarin with him.
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QUOTE(ryanlit @ Jan 16 2020, 01:17 AM)
Lazy to learn yes...why not....they are human being just like you ...unless you are being told that you are god race...then it is different story.

Lazy is not only exclusive to one particular race who Mahathir used to said....

"Struggles" is very subjective ....to whos standard you measure this?

Some grad excel in excel BI or BM in writting but couldnt speak fluently in both language, is that sound familiar with you?

And how many of them? you are generalized base on one school teacher braggggging.....which of cause is not a teacher material person obviously.

And what is the school for? 

they have 3 languages to learn propably JAWI in future and thats make up 4.......efficiency will drop unless you listen and read frequently....else will be half baked.

the point here is ...you learn you master it and if not either you are lazy or put lower priority to master it...period.....before it turns to racing mode.
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to whos standard? to my own standard la wat else; which is, as long as u can speak broken BM/BI, even if its like bangla, ure considered pass in my book laugh.gif

unless govt do RCI or MOE conduct BM exam like MUET where theres a speaking component in it, we'll never know the what the standard is, or to wat extent the 'struggle' is.

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efficiency will drop unless you listen and read frequently...


did u just admit urself that some race simply dont want to mix with other race, until it degrades their language skill? laugh.gif or did i understand that wrongly?

p/s: jawi is not a language. its a script. to compare jawi with arabic is akin to comparing roman alphabets to cyrillic (heck, even cyrillic got several version, but lets not get into that). sure, it helps u to read cyrillic if u know roman alphabets, but itll be most of the times gibberish. and even if u know what ure reading, u still need to understand the language it was written in.
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useless teacher, teaching is his job, not complaint.
Like that i also can teach. useless piece of trash
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 16 2020, 01:37 AM)
I forgot why Ponggol diharamkan... LOL!!!
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ponggal haram becoz their religion says so.

would u invite ur malay friend to lunch during their puasa month? no rite? coz u know it goes against their religion.

if u can understand that, tolerate with it and move on with ur life, why cant u do the same with this? laugh.gif

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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 16 2020, 02:50 AM)
ponggal haram becoz their religion says so.

would u invite ur malay friend to lunch during their puasa month? no rite? coz u know it goes against their religion.

if u can understand that, tolerate with it and move on with ur life, why cant u do the same with this? laugh.gif
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That's why we need more vernacular schools for the nons to be in smile.gif

That way, you Malays can keep to your vernacular schools, we keep to ours, you celebrate your festivals and your religious activities, we celebrate ours.

We can all move on with life then smile.gif
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 16 2020, 03:06 AM)
That's why we need more vernacular schools for the nons to be in smile.gif

That way, you Malays can keep to your vernacular schools, we keep to ours, you celebrate your festivals and your religious activities, we celebrate ours.

We can all move on with life then smile.gif
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QUOTE(Lyu @ Jan 15 2020, 09:02 PM)
No. Ayam can't brain
To become citizen need know Malay?
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Bm xboleh english also tak boleh

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Ayam go school time, eveli one speak england. malay, chinese, yindian, dll all speak england.. so ayam only know how speak england :okay:
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why all go so far

if an individual learn something for 11 years ++ and still cant be at a level of acceptable?
it is the fault of said individual

can be any topic la...

sendiri salah, whatever the motivation may be....
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Lagi elok bagi citizenship dekat bangla
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Jangan salahkan kertas putih tidak bertulisan.... Salahkan yg tidak pandai menulis.
Salahkan cikgu tak pandai ajar, Jangan salahkan budak budak.
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No. Ayam can't brain
To become citizen need know Malay?
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Yes. Most countries have the same policy - citizens have to know their national language.
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 16 2020, 03:06 AM)
That's why we need more vernacular schools for the nons to be in smile.gif

That way, you Malays can keep to your vernacular schools, we keep to ours, you celebrate your festivals and your religious activities, we celebrate ours.

We can all move on with life then smile.gif
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But later they breed 12, then sengsara, salah vernacular school jugak.
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QUOTE(pg84 @ Jan 16 2020, 07:02 AM)
Jangan salahkan kertas putih tidak bertulisan.... Salahkan yg tidak pandai menulis.
Salahkan cikgu tak pandai ajar, Jangan salahkan budak budak.
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Product of SJKC. So salah cikgu SJKC?
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Memang elok lempang je. Lempang mak bapak budak budak tu sekali. Biar sedar sedikit.
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Bukti cikgu yang mengajar BM selama ini tak berguna.
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Sebab for some ppl..they tink bm not important..no need gip a puck...
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All students in the class don't know or all also don't know? Nowadays I seldom see younger Chinese don't know BM. Not A+ level, but good enough for everyday use.
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everyone should just ignore these stirrer like that lawyer as well. somehow the more attention they get, the more stirrer will rise.
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 16 2020, 07:53 AM)
Product of SJKC. So salah cikgu SJKC?
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All of my SK nons friends speak fluent BM. Much much better BM than rempit. I guess maybe he is saying cikgu BM posted to SJKC are mostly without proper qualification to teach BM.

And one of my BM teacher in school is cina. But she is cina kelantan so it’s totally different story. You definitely cannot survive in Kelantan without learning the language.
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QUOTE(khelben @ Jan 15 2020, 09:19 PM)
Lol he's assigned to the last few classes is it? laugh.gif
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Jangan salahkan kertas putih tidak bertulisan.... Salahkan yg tidak pandai menulis.
Salahkan cikgu tak pandai ajar, Jangan salahkan budak budak.
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QUOTE(Winning11 @ Jan 16 2020, 08:12 AM)
All students in the class don't know or all also don't know?  Nowadays I seldom see younger Chinese don't know BM. Not A+ level, but good enough for everyday use.
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If can speak fluent BM can get tongkat?
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 16 2020, 08:13 AM)
All of my SK nons friends speak fluent BM. Much much better BM than rempit. I guess maybe he is saying cikgu BM posted to SJKC are mostly without proper qualification to teach BM.

And one of my BM teacher in school is cina. But she is cina kelantan so it’s totally different story. You definitely cannot survive in Kelantan without learning the language.
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eh. one of my non friend even become school debater ok... win medal sumore. thats how good her BM is...
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QUOTE(jetblast @ Jan 16 2020, 08:23 AM)
If can speak fluent BM can get tongkat?
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who knows? maybe thats the secret recipe of tongkat? laugh.gif
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eh. one of my non friend even become school debater ok... win medal sumore. thats how good her BM is...
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Actually learning BM is very easy if you mingle with people that speak the language. I got one kelik, a banana, went to english private school his whole life, never have a malay friend to talk with, until he started to join youth national football team training. He learned his BM over there because most trainees there speaks only BM and he can speak fluent BM since then. But don’t expect him to write an essay in BM la. Fluent conversational BM.

Just look at the famous Englishman who lives in Terengganu by the name mat dan. He never had formal learning in BM. Just mingling with locals.
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I use my fluent BM trying to score awek, but they dont want me because ayam non malay, how ?

inbefore face problem
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QUOTE(Farkmylife @ Jan 16 2020, 08:31 AM)
I use my fluent BM trying to score awek, but they dont want me because ayam non malay, how ?

inbefore face problem
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I melei oso use bm, kenot score oso
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 16 2020, 08:30 AM)
Actually learning BM is very easy if you mingle with people that speak the language. I got one kelik, a banana, went to english private school his whole life, never have a malay friend to talk with, until he started to join youth national football team training. He learned his BM over there because most trainees there speaks only BM and he can speak fluent BM since then. But don’t expect him to write an essay in BM la. Fluent conversational BM.

Just look at the famous Englishman who lives in Terengganu by the name mat dan. He never had formal learning in BM. Just mingling with locals.
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Mat Dan use ganu dialect. Really feel weird muka mat salleh but speaking ganu so fluently laugh.gif
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i did not really care, if their can't speak malay or speak wrongly,
but if their can't understand malay, that really problem,
come on you born on Malaysia and can't understand malay? that national language, what kind citizen are you,
even bangla after six month come to here also can understand malay and speak malay a little even wrong,



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There's a big difference between what you learn in school and normal conversational BM. A lot of Chinese will speak BM like how they learn in school but in day to day conversation, most Malays do not speak in that way. A lot of time, they use slangs which causes confusion. Nowadays, some are using Bahasa Wechat more. That is why you have Malay students themselves who failed BM.

One of my newly graduated colleague recently tried to speak BM to some Malays. When the Malays replied, he genuinely could not understand them because it sound so different from what he learn from school. Then he tried to speak some more and the Malays laugh at him. Not really their fault for laughing because it really sounds odd if you speak like you're reading from textbooks.

Not really making excuse but the fact is conversational BM is very different from school BM. Its like some people who speak English with Aussie, Scottish, etc. slang. Ask any Manchester United fans. Do they really understand what Alex Ferguson say last time when he was coach?

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QUOTE(Farkmylife @ Jan 16 2020, 08:31 AM)
I use my fluent BM trying to score awek, but they dont want me because ayam non malay, how ?

inbefore face problem
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Definitely face problem, or personality problem. You know most awek crazy about lelaki cina because they are the closest they can get to oppa laugh.gif

Now there are a few cina in drama melayu industry, and the malay girls are crazy about them.
QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 16 2020, 08:32 AM)
Mat Dan use ganu dialect. Really feel weird muka mat salleh but speaking ganu so fluently laugh.gif
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Yeah ganu dialect. But i think now he is slowly learning the proper BM vocab because he is a celebrity now. My point is learning language is easy if you mingle with people who speak the language.
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BM is widely used. Impossible cannot master ore speak a few words. Unless that people never socialize with other races.

Like us in Sarawak; mixing with the ibans or the melanaus in schools, after a few years can master their language. Lel.
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There's a big difference between what you learn in school and normal conversational BM. A lot of Chinese will speak BM like how they learn in school but in day to day conversation, most Malays do not speak in that way. A lot of time, they use slangs which causes confusion. Nowadays, some are using Bahasa Wechat more. That is why you have Malay students themselves who failed BM.

One of my newly graduated colleague recently tried to speak BM to some Malays. When the Malays replied, he genuinely could not understand them because it sound so different from what he learn from school. Then he tried to speak some more and the Malays laugh at him. Not really their fault for laughing because it really sounds odd if you speak like you're reading from textbooks.

Not really making excuse but the fact is conversational BM is very different from school BM. Its like some people who speak English with Aussie, Scottish, etc. slang. Ask any Manchester United fans. Do they really understand what Alex Ferguson say last time when he was coach?
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Nothing wrong with speaking in textbook BM if it is a properly textbook BM. When i first come to KL it took me few months to learn their slang and accent before i can speak like locals to. Most kelantanese never bother to change to KL accent at all despite sounding funny to people in KL.

I think what being discussed here is people who barely can construct a sentence in BM even in writing.
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I've taught the so-called low achieving classes in secondary school. It's rather easy to blame them for their mastery of BM language, and say they're not patriotic or anything.

Hakikatnya mereka bukan sj BM x pandai, malah semua subjek pun xleh pakai. Klu bhs Cina (majority budak Cina dkt kelas sy ajar) pun pandai cakap basic aje, tulis pun ada masalah.

Sebenarnya mrk mmg masalah pembelajaran. Tp apa daya? Bukan semua guru dilatih untuk menangani pelajar masalah ini. Dan senang-senang org luar jadikan ni isu kaum.

Aih...
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Kek bangla getting citizenship pun jadi issue in the end.

Look fags, given if you want to be citizen in 'better' countries like say your dreamland European countries you are likely to act as how these Banglas that your despise so much.

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bak kata orang, masuk kandang kambing, mengembik, bukan oink oink oink
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niat tu betul tapi perangai macam sampah

macam mana la nak 'convince' diorang untuk pick up BM?

b*** betul la, baik xyah tegur. Lagi la diorang xnak dah bodo
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If born and raised in Malaysia, tapi tak tau BM, tu memang definisi warganegara sampah.

Lagi elok bagi citizenship dekat bangla
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Cikgu Puaka ni pun satu, x professional langsung, dah tahu puaka nak juga kerja as cikgu

Did you know teaching is a noble job? And BM is actually a beautiful language?

Buat malu kita org je
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This non-BM speaking Malaysians is just a symptom of a bigger issue.

Root problem can be seen in this example.

QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:38 PM)
"SPEAK MY LANGUAGE OR GO HOME" is synonym with racism.

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Bahasa Malaysia is supposed to be YOUR language. If you think the national language is not yours and you even belittle and denigrate it then how do you expect other people to perceive you as a Malaysian?

I view this same as those idiots who disrespect the Jalur Gemilang.

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I've taught the so-called low achieving classes in secondary school. It's rather easy to blame them for their mastery of BM language, and say they're not patriotic or anything.

Hakikatnya mereka bukan sj BM x pandai, malah semua subjek pun xleh pakai. Klu bhs Cina (majority budak Cina dkt kelas sy ajar) pun pandai cakap basic aje, tulis pun ada masalah.

Sebenarnya mrk mmg masalah pembelajaran. Tp apa daya? Bukan semua guru dilatih untuk menangani pelajar masalah ini. Dan senang-senang org luar jadikan ni isu kaum.

Aih...
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agree, that is why i say if they fail to speak, means it is the individual.
ppl bring race la, citizenship la dll..
we should mock the individual for his ability to learn a language enough la
this is an education thing, not anything else



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No. Ayam can't brain
To become citizen need know Malay?
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ask some of top gun people.. some of them even cant speak malay
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Nothing wrong with speaking in textbook BM if it is a properly textbook BM. When i first come to KL it took me few months to learn their slang and accent before i can speak like locals to. Most kelantanese never bother to change to KL accent at all despite sounding funny to people in KL.

I think what being discussed here is people who barely can construct a sentence in BM even in writing.
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It is a problem because a lot of people will not have the confidence to continue use BM when what they are hearing is totally different from what they learn. Again I am not trying to defend those who can't speak a sentence of BM but this is a genuine problem.

As for those who can't speak a sentence, I believe they are those coming from last classes of Chinese vernacular schools. They are basically bad in everything including Mandarin. This is a very bad problem of Chinese vernacular schools. They are so academic focus until those who can't catch up will be left behind and continue to rot when they reach SMK. That is one of the reason why homeschools are getting more popular in Klang Valley.

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SJKC students not good at BM, that's why they are there to learn.

So if you are a BM teacher and you still can't make them learn and they failed learning, then that is your problem already.

You failed to teach. And you just know how to complain only.

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QUOTE(UrbanGraduate @ Jan 16 2020, 09:04 AM)
Cikgu Puaka ni pun satu, x professional langsung, dah tahu puaka nak juga kerja as cikgu

Did you know teaching is a noble job? And BM is actually a beautiful language?

Buat malu kita org je
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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:10 AM)
It is a problem because a lot of people will not have the confidence to continue use BM when what they are hearing is totally different from what they learn. Again I am not trying to defend those who can't speak a sentence of BM but this is a genuine problem.

As for those who can't speak a sentence, I believe they are those coming from last classes of Chinese vernacular schools. They are basically bad in everything including Mandarin. This is a very bad problem of Chinese vernacular schools. They are so academic focus until those who can't catch up will be left behind and continue to rot when they reach SMK. That is one of the reason why homeschools are getting more popular in Klang Valley.
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It will sound funny at first but after a while you either sound like them or they will get used to how you sound and wouldn’t giggle at you anymore.

But if you speak in BM in accent and slang of where you come from, people don’t actually mind. Most of my non friend are from states outside KL/Selangor, they speak BM in the accent of states where they come from, and people in KL don’t really mind them talking like that.

Key is to start young.
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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:11 AM)
SJKC students not good at BM, that's why they are there to learn.

So if you are a BM teacher and you still can't make them learn and they failed learning, then that is your problem already.

You failed to teach. And you just know how to complain only.
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I don’t think he is a BM teacher. He is just a teacher, delivering his subject in BM. BM teacher will never mix their language in social media posting.
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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 16 2020, 08:43 AM)
There's a big difference between what you learn in school and normal conversational BM. A lot of Chinese will speak BM like how they learn in school but in day to day conversation, most Malays do not speak in that way. A lot of time, they use slangs which causes confusion. Nowadays, some are using Bahasa Wechat more. That is why you have Malay students themselves who failed BM.

One of my newly graduated colleague recently tried to speak BM to some Malays. When the Malays replied, he genuinely could not understand them because it sound so different from what he learn from school. Then he tried to speak some more and the Malays laugh at him. Not really their fault for laughing because it really sounds odd if you speak like you're reading from textbooks.

Not really making excuse but the fact is conversational BM is very different from school BM. Its like some people who speak English with Aussie, Scottish, etc. slang. Ask any Manchester United fans. Do they really understand what Alex Ferguson say last time when he was coach?
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this is another problem
speak proper BM, kena perli, skema la.. pelik la
wtf
better than bahasa wicet
dahla low confidence... make things harder for the poor soul

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I don’t think he is a BM teacher. He is just a teacher, delivering his subject in BM. BM teacher will never mix their language in social media posting.
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I see. But he shouldn't say that to social media.
He should discuss this issue among teachers instead. sad.gif
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 16 2020, 08:55 AM)
Nothing wrong with speaking in textbook BM if it is a properly textbook BM. When i first come to KL it took me few months to learn their slang and accent before i can speak like locals to. Most kelantanese never bother to change to KL accent at all despite sounding funny to people in KL.

I think what being discussed here is people who barely can construct a sentence in BM even in writing.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:18 AM)
It will sound funny at first but after a while you either sound like them or they will get used to how you sound and wouldn’t giggle at you anymore.

But if you speak in BM in accent and slang of where you come from, people don’t actually mind. Most of my non friend are from states outside KL/Selangor, they speak BM in the accent of states where they come from, and people in KL don’t really mind them talking like that.

Key is to start young.
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That's the problem. Not everyone will have the confidence to try again and again and be laugh at.

I agree should start young but our school syllabus have never really emphasize on practical. Ujian lisan is a joke. Frankly, speaking they should really teach children on conversation usage of languages especially in primary schools instead of by the book type of teaching.
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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ Jan 16 2020, 09:07 AM)
This non-BM speaking Malaysians is just a symptom of a bigger issue.

Root problem can be seen in this example.
Bahasa Malaysia is supposed to be YOUR language. If you think the national language is not yours and you even belittle and denigrate it then how do you expect other people to perceive you as a Malaysian?

I view this same as those idiots who disrespect the Jalur Gemilang.
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sorry but a person citizenship is not determine by how will you speak the language or much you love the flag. lol
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i malay also didnt expect my cina frens to fully understand BM.

as long as can communicate enough la
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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:35 AM)
That's the problem. Not everyone will have the confidence to try again and again and be laugh at.

I agree should start young but our school syllabus have never really emphasize on practical. Ujian lisan is a joke. Frankly, speaking they should really teach children on conversation usage of languages especially in primary schools instead of by the book type of teaching.
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Have them talk with other races since young
Here is not a foreign country where everything you need to learn from school


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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:35 AM)
That's the problem. Not everyone will have the confidence to try again and again and be laugh at.

I agree should start young but our school syllabus have never really emphasize on practical. Ujian lisan is a joke. Frankly, speaking they should really teach children on conversation usage of languages especially in primary schools instead of by the book type of teaching.
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Well i agree our school syllabus is a joke. We need to revamp pretty much the whole thing. They expect the student to come in and know everything even before the class begin.

You guys complained about 3 pages of jawi, do you know our stupid syllabus expect standard one islam student to be able to read in jawi the moment they entered school? The whole pendidikan islam book for standard one is written in jawi when some of standard one student can’t even read in rumi. What kind of fcuked up syllabus is that?

And every school should have speak only <insert whatever language> day. If the student caught speaking in languages other than the language of the day, ask them to copy an essay or something as “fine”.

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sorry but a person citizenship is not determine by how will you speak the language or much you love the flag. lol
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Well as per my post, I am not questioning the person's citizenship but his nationalism. If he/she does not feel like it's important to love or even know the national language (or the flag) then don't complain when people criticize them.
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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ Jan 16 2020, 09:44 AM)
Well as per my post, I am not questioning the person's citizenship but his nationalism. If he/she does not feel like it's important to love or even know the national language (or the flag) then don't complain when people criticize them.
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well nationalism is fucking stupid anyway, im gonna putar sikit. how is proficiency in the language shows nationalism? or love for the country? i love french cuisine, love the language, love the songs, but i sure as hell cant speak a single french. but im not gonna self identify as a french and declare myself as french.

but i have a problem if criticism manifested in a way thats racist.

how is " balik china tongsan la" a criticism? how is pitchforking and want them to be strip of their citizenship a criticism? even the cikgu puaka in his post already mention should remove their citizenship. all this just reeks of malay supremacist.
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QUOTE(phillip88 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:56 AM)
I've taught the so-called low achieving classes in secondary school. It's rather easy to blame them for their mastery of BM language, and say they're not patriotic or anything.

Hakikatnya mereka bukan sj BM x pandai, malah semua subjek pun xleh pakai. Klu bhs Cina (majority budak Cina dkt kelas sy ajar) pun pandai cakap basic aje, tulis pun ada masalah.

Sebenarnya mrk mmg masalah pembelajaran. Tp apa daya? Bukan semua guru dilatih untuk menangani pelajar masalah ini. Dan senang-senang org luar jadikan ni isu kaum.

Aih...
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bodohnya

i malay also didnt expect my cina frens to fully understand BM.

as long as can communicate enough la
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pakej anak murid sebahagian tugas cikgu
kalau tak dapat handle
baik berhenti
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bimbang
satu hari nanti anak kandung cikgu puaka ...

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:42 AM)
Well i agree our school syllabus is a joke. We need to revamp pretty much the whole thing. They expect the student to come in and know everything even before the class begin.

You guys complained about 3 pages of jawi, do you know our stupid syllabus expect standard one islam student to be able to read in jawi the moment they entered school? The whole pendidikan islam book for standard one is written in jawi when some of standard one student can’t even read in rumi. What kind of fcuked up syllabus is that?

And every school should have speak only <insert whatever language> day. If the student caught speaking in languages other than the language of the day, ask them to copy an essay or something as “fine”.
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Totally agree, the mentality of onowing everything before enter primary is what kill the student, there is once a teacher say she dont need to teach cause in the end, student learn everything from tuition class.

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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 16 2020, 09:50 AM)
well nationalism is fucking stupid anyway, im gonna putar sikit. how is proficiency in the language shows nationalism? or love for the country? i love french cuisine, love the language, love the songs, but i sure as hell cant speak a single french. but im not gonna self identify as a french and declare myself as french.

but i have a problem if criticism manifested in a way thats racist.

how is " balik china tongsan la" a criticism? how is pitchforking and want them to be strip of their citizenship a criticism? even the cikgu puaka in his post already mention should remove their citizenship. all this just reeks of malay supremacist.
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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Jan 16 2020, 10:07 AM)
Totally agree, the mentality of onowing everything before enter primary is what kill the student, there is once a teacher say she dont need to teach cause in the end, student learn everything from tuition class.
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That’s because the effin teacher is providing the tuition, if she/he taught everything in class who is going to go for her tuition anymore?

HiLang rezeki la

On a side note, these braindead morons keep on harping nons doesn’t know BM well but when it comes to real exams, all the nons scores A and the idiots scored B and C

Fact!!!!!
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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Jan 16 2020, 10:07 AM)
Totally agree, the mentality of onowing everything before enter primary is what kill the student, there is once a teacher say she dont need to teach cause in the end, student learn everything from tuition class.
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That's a shitty teacher. No enthusiasm in teaching better find other job.
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QUOTE(ryanlit @ Jan 16 2020, 10:16 AM)
So?  what the benefit by forcing those non in learning it?
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Keep asking them they will eventually got cornered by this and claim u r racist for persoal lollll
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If kelas belakang sure ponteng kelas etc..
They dont want to learn still gonna blame teacher ke?
But last time when i was in form1-3 those from sjkc student, the one in kelas belakang, although gengster sampai masuk jail or fail all subject, still can speak bm la..
But during my time can still rotan or slap student la..
Nowadays strawberry susah sikit..

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Don't just plotek plotek la. Stick to the real issue, don't suddenly talk about other things. It's true that many (NOT ALL) chinese from SJKC cant speak BM for shits. I got many chinese friends from SK that can speak proper BM. So come on, be a Malaysian, learn your basic BM at least. Not to be racist, but this is the real fact.
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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Jan 16 2020, 10:07 AM)
Totally agree, the mentality of onowing everything before enter primary is what kill the student, there is once a teacher say she dont need to teach cause in the end, student learn everything from tuition class.
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Glad i went sbp. No need for extra tuition classes because the teachers are dedicated and they themselves never teach tuition classes.

Well for me i myself vet the syllabus being taught to my kids. If anything that i find useless and my kids don’t understand like pendidikan islam in jawi, i just ask them to skip. They will learn themselves one day if they really wanted to learn about it.
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QUOTE(kingofrave89 @ Jan 16 2020, 10:23 AM)
Don't just plotek plotek la. Stick to the real issue, don't suddenly talk about other things. It's true that many (NOT ALL) chinese from SJKC cant speak BM for shits. I got many chinese friends from SK that can speak proper BM. So come on, be a Malaysian, learn your basic BM at least. Not to be racist, but this is the real fact.
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SK never have this issue

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Well, like me, until spm level also just know +-*/

But languages subjects are always my forte.

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So?  what the benefit by forcing those non in learning it?
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None. I never used jawi myself despite i know jawi. Only thing is that i can read.

My opinion is that they are just trying to explain what was written in jawi in govt emblem, duit ringgit & etc. That’s all.
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Jan 16 2020, 09:03 AM)
U mean bangla calap melayu berterabur pun >>>> than malaysian that cant speak and understand malay?
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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 16 2020, 10:25 AM)
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Itulah. SK tak payah cerita lah. Kawan aku sekolah rendah dulu, lahir & membesar kat ostrolia, cina, masuk SK darjah 4, tak sampai setahun dah boleh cakap BM & Klate. By darjah 6 dah fasih mengalahkah SJK student duduk malaysia seumur hidup.

Oh. Aku rapat dgn dia pon sbb bahasa. Sbb tak ramai sekolah rendah aku dulu reti skipping.
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if chinese speak malay tahap Elizabeth Tan, baru mastarace puas hati? can JV get kroni2 project?

If speak macam ahbeng ahlian, big2 shark mastarace also tada mood mau kasi project/tender?
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 16 2020, 10:34 AM)
Itulah. SK tak payah cerita lah. Kawan aku sekolah rendah dulu, lahir & membesar kat ostrolia, cina, masuk SK darjah 4, tak sampai setahun dah boleh cakap BM & Klate. By darjah 6 dah fasih mengalahkah SJK student duduk malaysia seumur hidup.

Oh. Aku rapat dgn dia pon sbb bahasa. Sbb tak ramai sekolah rendah aku dulu reti skipping.
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Chinese is the most spoken language in the world.

China is our number one trade partner in Malaysia.

Otak udang like you don't want to survive okay, but all other rakyat2 and families wanted to. So stop speaking and try to representing others.
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Purge time? Purge time.
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lmao. how many percent of the student cannot speak malay first? if majority of them then something wrong with the syllabus/teacher not doing their work.

if only few students then very common la. Sure got some student not interested in study isnt?
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One day the govt should conduct a Malay language test for all citizens. Those who are below 40 and don’t obtain passing marks, we put them all on a barge and push them out to sea.
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One day the govt should conduct a Malay language test for all citizens. Those who are below 40 and don’t obtain passing marks, we put them all on a barge and push them out to sea.
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Including meleis?
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 16 2020, 09:50 AM)
well nationalism is fucking stupid anyway, im gonna putar sikit. how is proficiency in the language shows nationalism? or love for the country? i love french cuisine, love the language, love the songs, but i sure as hell cant speak a single french. but im not gonna self identify as a french and declare myself as french.

but i have a problem if criticism manifested in a way thats racist.

how is " balik china tongsan la" a criticism? how is pitchforking and want them to be strip of their citizenship a criticism? even the cikgu puaka in his post already mention should remove their citizenship. all this just reeks of malay supremacist.
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Well if you think loving your own country is fucking stupid then there's not much to discuss further as we'll just agree to disagree. I will always have problem with people who claims he is Malaysian but cannot identify with the symbols of the country.

As for the racists and their racists ways, that's how racists are. No need to give them more additional points to make themselves appear more valid though.
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Including meleis?
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Include.. u will suprise
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So?  what the benefit by forcing those non in learning it?
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to make issues out of nothing so that people like you triggered. when i say people like you i mean those triggered malay and triggered non. both are the 2 sides of the same coins.

QUOTE(carloz28 @ Jan 16 2020, 10:17 AM)
Keep asking them they will eventually got cornered by this and claim u r racist for persoal lollll
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if chinese speak malay tahap Elizabeth Tan, baru mastarace puas hati? can JV get kroni2 project?

If speak macam ahbeng ahlian, big2 shark mastarace also tada mood mau kasi project/tender?
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who said cannot. can go condo party party owai...
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:23 PM)
yeah this is so ridiculous. chinese that cant speak simple malay are so rare.

but all these racist supremacist bullshiters want to bring it out every time like its everywhere. lol.

if you simply pick and chinese guy 8/10 sure can speak proper malay. but can we say the same the other way?

can 8/10 malay guy speak chinese?

seriously wtf is it with all this people just because somebody cant speak your language you suka suka want to threathen lucut warganera apenda.

if in western country, any white person that say this kind of thing conlanfirm will kena sound openly as racist nazi KKK.

only in malaysia they can be so anti communist but cannot wake up and see how they embrace one of the core of communism, one supreme race.
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otak tak boleh pakai eh? chinese is official language eh? doh.gif stop derailing.
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QUOTE(ganz @ Jan 16 2020, 10:44 AM)
Include.. u will suprise
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I bet when the 1st Malay fail, they will terus u turn,

"Bumiputra dikecualikan kerana bumi ni milik dan hok kito"

Just like how they suddenly support Mazlee once kena fired.

"Kurang lagi seorang menteri melayu, ni mesti kerja timbalan dia tu"
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 16 2020, 10:28 AM)
None. I never used jawi myself despite i know jawi. Only thing is that i can read.

My opinion is that they are just trying to explain what was written in jawi in govt emblem, duit ringgit & etc. That’s all.
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this..

thats what those 3 pages are for. next time got overseas friend ask people whats that written on duit ringgit no need to putar alam said its the attemp to islamized non by forcing them to use notes written with jawi.

i still cant brain why this become so big issue.

its like if takde issue kita buat issue.
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QUOTE(United Rulez @ Jan 16 2020, 10:49 AM)
I bet when the 1st Malay fail, they will terus u turn,

"Bumiputra dikecualikan kerana bumi ni milik dan hok kito"

Just like how they suddenly support Mazlee once kena fired.

"Kurang lagi seorang menteri melayu, ni mesti kerja timbalan dia tu"
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some how i think you'll be proven right in this case. sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(United Rulez @ Jan 16 2020, 10:49 AM)
I bet when the 1st Malay fail, they will terus u turn,

"Bumiputra dikecualikan kerana bumi ni milik dan hok kito"

Just like how they suddenly support Mazlee once kena fired.

"Kurang lagi seorang menteri melayu, ni mesti kerja timbalan dia tu"
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and as usual, all non do country proud is like getting minimum appreciation
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Jan 16 2020, 10:35 AM)
if chinese speak malay tahap Elizabeth Tan, baru mastarace puas hati? can JV get kroni2 project?

If speak macam ahbeng ahlian, big2 shark mastarace also tada mood mau kasi project/tender?
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everything need to revolves around money, issit? laugh.gif

robert kuok, Vincent tan oso didnt speak malay well.. english pun beterabur... but at least they speak... dapat juga tongkat...

ini... kalau mau string a few malay/english sentence pun need to pause for a few seconds to think, how to communicate? cant communicate, how to sell? cant sell, how to get projek/tender? laugh.gif
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u dumb?
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melayu memang malas

so wtf is your point? nak tukar topic pulak
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:23 PM)
yeah this is so ridiculous. chinese that cant speak simple malay are so rare.

but all these racist supremacist bullshiters want to bring it out every time like its everywhere. lol.

if you simply pick and chinese guy 8/10 sure can speak proper malay. but can we say the same the other way?

can 8/10 malay guy speak chinese?

seriously wtf is it with all this people just because somebody cant speak your language you suka suka want to threathen lucut warganera apenda.

if in western country, any white person that say this kind of thing conlanfirm will kena sound openly as racist nazi KKK.

only in malaysia they can be so anti communist but cannot wake up and see how they embrace one of the core of communism, one supreme race.
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kau bodoh ek? the issue is not knowing to speak a language of other race because they can speak yours. the issue is you cant speak the country's national language

please dont breed & simpan bodoh tu sorang2
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QUOTE(posterc @ Jan 16 2020, 11:23 AM)
kau bodoh ek? the issue is not knowing to speak a language of other race because they can speak yours. the issue is you cant speak the country's national language

please dont breed & simpan bodoh tu sorang2
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im trying to make a point that chinese people not knowing to speak malay is minority not really a big issues that all this people make it out to be, then want to bring out to ban SJKC/SJKT

and those who cant speak malay they most probably will never take the initiative to learn because frankly there is no need to.

my issues wasn't about the needs of speaking national language la. i say many times liao la.
my issue is with people that harp on the issues of not speaking BM =nak lucut warganegara, nak marah, nak ban this ban that, nak suruh orang balik china india, nak panggil orang PRC worshippers. this is akin to race supremacist dah. a majmuk country is that its majmuk, everybody have something thats different from everybody. some chinese cant speak malay, some malay cant speak tamil, some tamil cant speak mandarin and its alright because it is the way it is.
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im trying to make a point that chinese people not knowing to speak malay is minority not really a big issues that all this people make it out to be, then want to bring out to ban SJKC/SJKT

and those who cant speak malay they most probably will never take the initiative to learn because frankly there is no need to.

my issues wasn't about the needs of speaking national language la. i say many times liao la.
my issue is with people that harp on the issues of not speaking BM =nak lucut warganegara, nak marah, nak ban this ban that, nak suruh orang balik china india, nak panggil orang PRC worshippers. this is akin to race supremacist dah. a majmuk country is that its majmuk, everybody have something thats different from everybody. some chinese cant speak malay, some malay cant speak tamil, some tamil cant speak mandarin and its alright because it is the way it is.
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You have given them good points but they rather plotek and divert.

Just stop arguing with them, you'll feel better if you ignore them.
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That teacher tipu la
Xkan one BM also x tau
Either fasih onot another story
U don't tipu
U born here, u Malaysian
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If bangla, pakistan, viatnam, myanmar and so fort so on is born here
u can accept them to be part of ours? confused.gif
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No point talking about this.

Bahasa only matters when asking for contracts with gomen.

Else where got use bahasa?
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 16 2020, 11:33 AM)
im trying to make a point that chinese people not knowing to speak malay is minority not really a big issues that all this people make it out to be, then want to bring out to ban SJKC/SJKT

and those who cant speak malay they most probably will never take the initiative to learn because frankly there is no need to.

my issues wasn't about the needs of speaking national language la. i say many times liao la.
my issue is with people that harp on the issues of not speaking BM =nak lucut warganegara, nak marah, nak ban this ban that, nak suruh orang balik china india, nak panggil orang PRC worshippers. this is akin to race supremacist dah. a majmuk country is that its majmuk, everybody have something thats different from everybody. some chinese cant speak malay, some malay cant speak tamil, some tamil cant speak mandarin and its alright because it is the way it is.
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every malaysian should be able to speak and understand bahasa kebangsaan and that's that

this is the way lol
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 11:23 PM)
yeah this is so ridiculous. chinese that cant speak simple malay are so rare.

but all these racist supremacist bullshiters want to bring it out every time like its everywhere. lol.

if you simply pick and chinese guy 8/10 sure can speak proper malay. but can we say the same the other way?

can 8/10 malay guy speak chinese?

seriously wtf is it with all this people just because somebody cant speak your language you suka suka want to threathen lucut warganera apenda.

if in western country, any white person that say this kind of thing conlanfirm will kena sound openly as racist nazi KKK.

only in malaysia they can be so anti communist but cannot wake up and see how they embrace one of the core of communism, one supreme race.
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If bangla, pakistan, viatnam, myanmar and so fort so on is born here
u can accept them to be part of ours? confused.gif
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 16 2020, 11:33 AM)
im trying to make a point that chinese people not knowing to speak malay is minority not really a big issues that all this people make it out to be, then want to bring out to ban SJKC/SJKT

and those who cant speak malay they most probably will never take the initiative to learn because frankly there is no need to.

my issues wasn't about the needs of speaking national language la. i say many times liao la.
my issue is with people that harp on the issues of not speaking BM =nak lucut warganegara, nak marah, nak ban this ban that, nak suruh orang balik china india, nak panggil orang PRC worshippers. this is akin to race supremacist dah. a majmuk country is that its majmuk, everybody have something thats different from everybody. some chinese cant speak malay, some malay cant speak tamil, some tamil cant speak mandarin and its alright because it is the way it is.
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you need a better point to get it across.
then not knowing to speak a national language even on a basic level shows how serious this issue is especially from those youngsters. the lack of patriotism

will you defend this country when enemy come attack from outside? i bet most of you wont wink.gif

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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 16 2020, 11:33 AM)
im trying to make a point that chinese people not knowing to speak malay is minority not really a big issues that all this people make it out to be, then want to bring out to ban SJKC/SJKT

and those who cant speak malay they most probably will never take the initiative to learn because frankly there is no need to.

my issues wasn't about the needs of speaking national language la. i say many times liao la.
my issue is with people that harp on the issues of not speaking BM =nak lucut warganegara, nak marah, nak ban this ban that, nak suruh orang balik china india, nak panggil orang PRC worshippers. this is akin to race supremacist dah. a majmuk country is that its majmuk, everybody have something thats different from everybody. some chinese cant speak malay, some malay cant speak tamil, some tamil cant speak mandarin and its alright because it is the way it is.
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didnt learn, then how to communicate with other races?

later butthurt when ppl stereotype malaysian chinese as racist who dont want to mix with other races...
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will you defend this country when enemy come attack from outside? i bet most of you wont  wink.gif
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can go lari mainland ma
melei mana mau lari? Even indon won't accept cos jawa > melei
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QUOTE(CTSBD.ONE @ Jan 16 2020, 11:38 AM)
every malaysian should be able to speak and understand bahasa kebangsaan and that's that

this is the way lol
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QUOTE(Owdan90 @ Jan 16 2020, 11:40 AM)
If bangla, pakistan, viatnam, myanmar and so fort so on is born here
u can accept them to be part of ours? confused.gif
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why not? they are human being after all. yes border control is important, if they are here legally either through immigration or born here whats the issue? how do you treat a human being when you are outside? you be nice, polite, and you dont go on and on about " GO HOME TO YOUR COUNTRY, YOU NOT DESERVE TO BE HERE BLA BLA BAL" this sentiments is racist.
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jan 16 2020, 10:37 AM)
Hm.

Purge time? Purge time.
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Yes purge those extremist good for nothing parasites that does not want to grow the economy but kept playing with 3R.
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 16 2020, 11:44 AM)
yes they should, but some couldn't and its alright.
why not? they are human being after all. yes border control is important, if they are here legally either through immigration or born here whats the issue? how do you treat a human being when you are outside? you be nice, polite, and you dont go on and on about " GO HOME TO YOUR COUNTRY, YOU NOT DESERVE TO BE HERE BLA BLA BAL" this sentiments is racist.
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no it's not

unless you're raised for years overseas it really isn't lol
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 16 2020, 11:44 AM)
didnt learn, then how to communicate with other races?

later butthurt when ppl stereotype malaysian chinese as racist who dont want to mix with other races...
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malays also got la who mix with own race, we even have universities or kampung area thats strictly BUMI only then how?

my point again being, some of these chinese they cant speak malay and wont learn, because to them there's no need, they dont interact with malays in their daily lives.

lets put aside the issue of country/nationalism.

i ask you, if you never interact with any orang iban in your daily lives and no need to, will you go out your way to go learn the language?
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QUOTE(CTSBD.ONE @ Jan 16 2020, 11:46 AM)
no it's not

unless you're raised for years overseas it really isn't lol
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why so? can you explain in another context besides "its the national language, if you cant speak it get out".
yes maybe its embarassing and funny at worst.
why is it not OK for someone to not speak another language?
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Let's face it extremists, the more you parasites want to play with 3R, the more the nons will resist. So bring it on.
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 16 2020, 11:44 AM)
didnt learn, then how to communicate with other races?

later butthurt when ppl stereotype malaysian chinese as racist who dont want to mix with other races...
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You think human has hive mentality, control each and every single one to do as it should? Learn as it should? And so forth?

Can you stop showing you are basically crazy and illogical?
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 16 2020, 12:44 PM)
yes they should, but some couldn't and its alright.
why not? they are human being after all. yes border control is important, if they are here legally either through immigration or born here whats the issue? how do you treat a human being when you are outside? you be nice, polite, and you dont go on and on about " GO HOME TO YOUR COUNTRY, YOU NOT DESERVE TO BE HERE BLA BLA BAL" this sentiments is racist.
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Okay, then they are better Malaysian. I spoke to Bangla, Pakistan, Japan, Korea and so on...
they even can speak better and some of them so good... should we a shame of that?
why we cannot speak our beloved official country language?
Indonesia & Singapore much better than ours... we should fix it, not ignore or argue about it... icon_question.gif

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QUOTE(Owdan90 @ Jan 16 2020, 11:57 AM)
Okay, then they are better Malaysian. I spoke to Bangla, Pakistan, Japan, Korea and so on...
they even can speak better and some of them so good... should we a shame of that?
why we cannot speak our beloved official country language?
Indonesia & Singapore much better than ours... we should fix it, not ignore or argue about it...  icon_question.gif
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Can you ensure every Malay boys and girls pass the bahasa exams in schools?
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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 16 2020, 11:44 AM)
can go lari mainland ma
melei mana mau lari? Even indon won't accept cos jawa > melei
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see. then dont be suprised when meleis dont want to give up their malay rights.

scared sudah bagi then later war run away pulak smile.gif
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QUOTE(posterc @ Jan 16 2020, 12:00 PM)
see. then dont be suprised when meleis dont want to give up their malay rights.

scared sudah bagi then later war run away pulak  smile.gif
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dun be skeddd we one nation maa
but i want to speak and learn using my own language la
later perang i can integrate into big bro country
u must give up ur rights, its unfair to us
we feel discriminated eventho top richest pipu is our kind

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my only experience is with cina. Cannot even speak basic bm or english. Can only speak cina. Born here and only can speak cina? Better send them back to china!

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QUOTE(Lyu @ Jan 15 2020, 10:02 PM)
No. Ayam can't brain
To become citizen need know Malay?
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why not.. malay is national language right??
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 16 2020, 01:00 PM)
Can you ensure every Malay boys and girls pass the bahasa exams in schools?
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Who am I to ensure that?
I'm the headmaster or minister?
no just normal citizen with blue ic that want good change...
If u think I don't have any initiative to do somethings, u are wrong...
I can speak and write in mandarin... so I can communicate with other races... hemm
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QUOTE(posterc @ Jan 16 2020, 12:00 PM)
see. then dont be suprised when meleis dont want to give up their malay rights.

scared sudah bagi then later war run away pulak  smile.gif
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lol this is what im against, all this tuan rumah mentality. as if other race is in debt to malay for their citizenship.

can we say that 100% all malays are willing to die for the country?
honestly, i only will if my family is in danger, if during war and there is a chance of moving my entire family someone safe and start new elsewhere i will take it.

but all this tribalism is why war will never go away, if the rakyat rakyat of all country just stand firm and not want to go to war, the soldiers the police everyone just not go to war and fight, and if the big heads/leaders want to go to war, let the leaders fight the war.
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QUOTE(dadah @ Jan 16 2020, 12:02 PM)
my only experience is with cina. Cannot even speak basic bm or english. Can only speak cina. Born here and only can speak cina? Better send them back to china!
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Cakap dan sebar fake news senang aje ya. Cincai nampak satu serupa Cina, tak kira pelawat ke, Vietnamese ke, org Singapore ke dan etc, dah hantam Cina serta sebar.
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QUOTE(Owdan90 @ Jan 16 2020, 12:05 PM)
Who am I to ensure that?
I'm the headmaster or minister?
no just normal citizen with blue ic that want good change...
If u think I don't have any initiative to do somethings, u are wrong...
I can speak and write in mandarin... so I can communicate with other races... hemm
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So can the local Chinese ensure every single one to be fasih bahasa then?

Can you stop being a joke? You can communicate with other races using this kind of mentality? Good luck with that
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 16 2020, 07:53 AM)
Product of SJKC. So salah cikgu SJKC?
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 16 2020, 01:11 PM)
So can the local Chinese ensure every single one to be fasih bahasa then?

Can you stop being a joke? You can communicate with other races using this kind of mentality? Good luck with that
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see you not even try... laugh.gif
then even Bangla is trying to speak Bahasa Malaysia... shame on blue ic (Warganegara)... mad.gif

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QUOTE(Owdan90 @ Jan 16 2020, 12:19 PM)
see you not even try... laugh.gif
then even Bangla is trying to speak Bahasa Malaysia... shame on blue ic (Warganegara)...  mad.gif
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Why not you ensure every Malay boys and girls passes the bahasa exam in school then only you start to brag?

And to add it on, can you also guarantee that every single Bangladeshis in Malaysia can speak bahasa?

So your comparison is worthless. You do not even have basic logic and humanity, let alone trying to ask other races to learn a language properly.
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 16 2020, 11:49 AM)
why so? can you explain in another context besides "its the national language, if you cant speak it get out".
yes maybe its embarassing and funny at worst.
why is it not OK for someone to not speak another language?
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i shouldn't because its the only context that matters lol

it's ok to speak other language but you should be able to speak bahasa kebangsaan as well and i wont budge on this no matter what lol
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 16 2020, 12:23 PM)
Why not you ensure every Malay boys and girls passes the bahasa exam in school then only you start to brag?

And to add it on, can you also guarantee that every single Bangladeshis in Malaysia can speak bahasa?

So your comparison is worthless. You do not even have basic logic and humanity, let alone trying to ask other races to learn a language properly.
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A proper malaysian should just say let's ensure everyone can speak national language
instead of my kind kenot speak melei, ur kind oso can't so no problem la
kek I know i'm in your ignore list, mr racist hater
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Cikgu Puaka, perkataan "expect" tu BM ke?

Tapi, cikgu, saya ramai kawan dari SJKC SPM penuh A.

Macam mana ah cikgu?

BM dorang boleh pakai tak?

Layak jadi warganegara tak?

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Kinda surprised by this. SJKC grads I know/have met tend to have better command of BM compared to English.

Anyway, if they failed BM at UPSR then they are required to attend Peralihan right? If they passed, their level of BM might not be good but still able to communicate with others. If after all these and they can't even string together a broken sentence, then it's not an issue of whether they refused to learn BM but rather if they are capable of learning any subjects at all. Basically scraping the bottom of the barrel kind of situation.
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 16 2020, 11:47 AM)
malays also got la who mix with own race, we even have universities or kampung area thats strictly BUMI only then how?

my point again being, some of these chinese they cant speak malay and wont learn, because to them there's no need, they dont interact with malays in their daily lives.

lets put aside the issue of country/nationalism.

i ask you, if you never interact with any orang iban in your daily lives and no need to, will you go out your way to go learn the language?
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 16 2020, 11:54 AM)
You think human has hive mentality, control each and every single one to do as it should? Learn as it should? And so forth?

Can you stop showing you are basically crazy and illogical?
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no, obviously.. but for u to think that it is ok, completely normal for chinese to know only mandarin, very little to none BM/BI is the very reason why the stereotype arise...

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QUOTE(kygt99 @ Jan 16 2020, 12:29 PM)
Cikgu Puaka, perkataan "expect" tu BM ke?

Tapi, cikgu, saya ramai kawan dari SJKC SPM penuh A.

Macam mana ah cikgu?

BM dorang boleh pakai tak?

Layak jadi warganegara tak?
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>SJKC
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if they manage to get full A in exam, obviously their spoken BM is passable at least

but in this case, BI tak faham, explain in BM tak faham, how? mati la ini machiam...
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 16 2020, 12:35 PM)
>SJKC
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if they manage to get full A in exam, obviously their spoken BM is passable at least

but in this case, BI tak faham, explain in BM tak faham, how? mati la ini machiam...
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This is funny. As if he think all the students are good in learning. There are a lot of idiots in chinese community, but there are also a lot of idiots in malay. If that cikgu puaka can make the education standard in malaysia to be at least better than US or UK, well, that is a different argument at all.

Cakap BM pun kena guna english words, then mau kritik budak BM and BI dia tak bagus. Sendiri bila nak ukur baju kat badan sendiri?

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QUOTE(runemastertan @ Jan 16 2020, 12:47 PM)
This is funny. As if he think all the students are good in learning. There are a lot of idiots in chinese community, but there are also a lot of idiots in malay. If that cikgu puaka can make the education standard in malaysia to be at least better than US or UK, well, that is a different argument at all.

Cakap BM pun kena guna english words, then mau kritik budak BM and BI dia tak bagus. Sendiri bila nak ukur baju kat badan sendiri?
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sometimes need to mix english words to feel 'atas'

plus, hes an english teacher, so maybe thats why he mix? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 16 2020, 12:48 PM)
sometimes need to mix english words to feel 'atas'

plus, hes an english teacher, so maybe thats why he mix? laugh.gif
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No, that is what BM is, a mixture of words from other language. Very proud of their rojak language. Until they discard their own BM words. I am sure you notice this too
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QUOTE(runemastertan @ Jan 16 2020, 12:51 PM)
No, that is what BM is, a mixture of words from other language. Very proud of their rojak language. Until they discard their own BM words. I am sure you notice this too
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well, every language have their own slang language version of it, using modified words, words that are loaned from other language etc3...

example, aus slang english


and like any language, some of the speaker can only speak the slang version of it and fail at the original version laugh.gif

thats how language evolve...


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