QUOTE(Lyu @ Jan 15 2020, 09:02 PM)
I doubt sumareh can speak BM.
Kurang mahir BM
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Jan 15 2020, 09:36 PM
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Jan 15 2020, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 15 2020, 09:30 PM) I found plenty. Can barely construct a simple sentence. Even my korean is better than their BM.Malai? Malai? Bla bla bla in a language i don’t understand. Give up and looked for a translator instead. |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:00 PM
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Jan 15 2020, 10:06 PM
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Jan 15 2020, 10:32 PM
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Jan 15 2020, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Jan 15 2020, 10:41 PM) plotektor like him always got excuse, tak payah la, buat penat je Sometimes I don’t understand this kind of people. Claim they are malaysian, but talk about memperkasakan bahasa mandarin as if you can’t survive without mandarin. My bosses from germany don’t know shit about mandarin but they are doing fine. Heck even a regional manager from china speaks english to us not mandarin when we have regional meeting.BM no standard la, Chinese world class language la, China next superpower la, BM not mainstream enough la, BM low class la tok kok a lot but still not getting the point of knowing the language of your OWN country Just leave the duty of memperkasakan bahasa mandarin to PRC. Stop comparing national language and optional language that not everyone find useful. |
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Jan 15 2020, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:52 PM) lol you see this is where the problem is, yall keep saying chinese is another country language, bla bla bla PRC bla bla bla. That’s a fact. Mandarin is the national language of PRC. I am not saying you should stop learning your ancestor’s language. I am just saying that stop comparing the importance of learing your ancestor’s language with our national language. That’s all. What is so racist about that?you really cannot see how racist that sounds? after so many years you all still cannot treat other race as equal as malaysian, then ada hati nak depa petahankan your culture? |
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Jan 16 2020, 01:40 AM
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QUOTE(Ned_Fromthenorth @ Jan 15 2020, 10:58 PM) because most chinese malaysian do not identify with PRC anything at all la. to them their language is malaysian chinese language, not PRC language. even PRC mandarin and our mandarin got some differences with words usage, tones, sentence structure and pronunciation. I didn’t recall saying any of that. All i said was don’t equate national language with your ancestor language. Nobody is stopping you from learning languages. All people are saying is that the most important thing is to learn our national language before anything else.but you all asyik jer say nak say ooo PRC worshipper asyik nak cakap bahasa PRC. whats so difficult to recognise that chinese malaysian are equally malaysian as you? why sikit sikit nak threathen orang balik china? sikit sikit want to say PRC this PRC that. as if orang cina here berhutang with malay people need to beg from malays to remain as a malaysian. |
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Jan 16 2020, 08:13 AM
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 16 2020, 07:53 AM) All of my SK nons friends speak fluent BM. Much much better BM than rempit. I guess maybe he is saying cikgu BM posted to SJKC are mostly without proper qualification to teach BM.And one of my BM teacher in school is cina. But she is cina kelantan so it’s totally different story. You definitely cannot survive in Kelantan without learning the language. |
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Jan 16 2020, 08:30 AM
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QUOTE(kurangak @ Jan 16 2020, 08:24 AM) eh. one of my non friend even become school debater ok... win medal sumore. thats how good her BM is... Actually learning BM is very easy if you mingle with people that speak the language. I got one kelik, a banana, went to english private school his whole life, never have a malay friend to talk with, until he started to join youth national football team training. He learned his BM over there because most trainees there speaks only BM and he can speak fluent BM since then. But don’t expect him to write an essay in BM la. Fluent conversational BM.Just look at the famous Englishman who lives in Terengganu by the name mat dan. He never had formal learning in BM. Just mingling with locals. |
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Jan 16 2020, 08:46 AM
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QUOTE(Farkmylife @ Jan 16 2020, 08:31 AM) I use my fluent BM trying to score awek, but they dont want me because ayam non malay, how ? Definitely face problem, or personality problem. You know most awek crazy about lelaki cina because they are the closest they can get to oppa inbefore face problem Now there are a few cina in drama melayu industry, and the malay girls are crazy about them. QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 16 2020, 08:32 AM) Yeah ganu dialect. But i think now he is slowly learning the proper BM vocab because he is a celebrity now. My point is learning language is easy if you mingle with people who speak the language. |
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Jan 16 2020, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 16 2020, 08:43 AM) There's a big difference between what you learn in school and normal conversational BM. A lot of Chinese will speak BM like how they learn in school but in day to day conversation, most Malays do not speak in that way. A lot of time, they use slangs which causes confusion. Nowadays, some are using Bahasa Wechat more. That is why you have Malay students themselves who failed BM. Nothing wrong with speaking in textbook BM if it is a properly textbook BM. When i first come to KL it took me few months to learn their slang and accent before i can speak like locals to. Most kelantanese never bother to change to KL accent at all despite sounding funny to people in KL.One of my newly graduated colleague recently tried to speak BM to some Malays. When the Malays replied, he genuinely could not understand them because it sound so different from what he learn from school. Then he tried to speak some more and the Malays laugh at him. Not really their fault for laughing because it really sounds odd if you speak like you're reading from textbooks. Not really making excuse but the fact is conversational BM is very different from school BM. Its like some people who speak English with Aussie, Scottish, etc. slang. Ask any Manchester United fans. Do they really understand what Alex Ferguson say last time when he was coach? I think what being discussed here is people who barely can construct a sentence in BM even in writing. |
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Jan 16 2020, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:10 AM) It is a problem because a lot of people will not have the confidence to continue use BM when what they are hearing is totally different from what they learn. Again I am not trying to defend those who can't speak a sentence of BM but this is a genuine problem. It will sound funny at first but after a while you either sound like them or they will get used to how you sound and wouldn’t giggle at you anymore. As for those who can't speak a sentence, I believe they are those coming from last classes of Chinese vernacular schools. They are basically bad in everything including Mandarin. This is a very bad problem of Chinese vernacular schools. They are so academic focus until those who can't catch up will be left behind and continue to rot when they reach SMK. That is one of the reason why homeschools are getting more popular in Klang Valley. But if you speak in BM in accent and slang of where you come from, people don’t actually mind. Most of my non friend are from states outside KL/Selangor, they speak BM in the accent of states where they come from, and people in KL don’t really mind them talking like that. Key is to start young. |
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Jan 16 2020, 09:19 AM
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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:11 AM) SJKC students not good at BM, that's why they are there to learn. I don’t think he is a BM teacher. He is just a teacher, delivering his subject in BM. BM teacher will never mix their language in social media posting.So if you are a BM teacher and you still can't make them learn and they failed learning, then that is your problem already. You failed to teach. And you just know how to complain only. |
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Jan 16 2020, 09:42 AM
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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 16 2020, 09:35 AM) That's the problem. Not everyone will have the confidence to try again and again and be laugh at. Well i agree our school syllabus is a joke. We need to revamp pretty much the whole thing. They expect the student to come in and know everything even before the class begin.I agree should start young but our school syllabus have never really emphasize on practical. Ujian lisan is a joke. Frankly, speaking they should really teach children on conversation usage of languages especially in primary schools instead of by the book type of teaching. You guys complained about 3 pages of jawi, do you know our stupid syllabus expect standard one islam student to be able to read in jawi the moment they entered school? The whole pendidikan islam book for standard one is written in jawi when some of standard one student can’t even read in rumi. What kind of fcuked up syllabus is that? And every school should have speak only <insert whatever language> day. If the student caught speaking in languages other than the language of the day, ask them to copy an essay or something as “fine”. This post has been edited by blanket84: Jan 16 2020, 09:45 AM |
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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Jan 16 2020, 10:07 AM) Totally agree, the mentality of onowing everything before enter primary is what kill the student, there is once a teacher say she dont need to teach cause in the end, student learn everything from tuition class. Glad i went sbp. No need for extra tuition classes because the teachers are dedicated and they themselves never teach tuition classes.Well for me i myself vet the syllabus being taught to my kids. If anything that i find useless and my kids don’t understand like pendidikan islam in jawi, i just ask them to skip. They will learn themselves one day if they really wanted to learn about it. |
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QUOTE(ryanlit @ Jan 16 2020, 10:16 AM) None. I never used jawi myself despite i know jawi. Only thing is that i can read.My opinion is that they are just trying to explain what was written in jawi in govt emblem, duit ringgit & etc. That’s all. |
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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 16 2020, 10:25 AM) Itulah. SK tak payah cerita lah. Kawan aku sekolah rendah dulu, lahir & membesar kat ostrolia, cina, masuk SK darjah 4, tak sampai setahun dah boleh cakap BM & Klate. By darjah 6 dah fasih mengalahkah SJK student duduk malaysia seumur hidup.Oh. Aku rapat dgn dia pon sbb bahasa. Sbb tak ramai sekolah rendah aku dulu reti skipping. |
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