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post Oct 28 2007, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(wr6969 @ Oct 28 2007, 04:22 PM)
(1) Maxis internet2go at RM 99 per month = RM 1,247.40 including service tax.
One time investment in HSDPA PC Card at RM 430.  1.8mbps bandwidth, some have reported higher speeds.  Check relevant LYN thread for details.

(2) Celcom's competing offering is at RM 120 monthly before service tax.  3.6mbps bandwidth.
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well for one.. maxis.. coverage area for highspeed eg hsdpa is limited with in klang valley...
for celcom's hsdpa the coverage is about the same, but mostly focus on commercial/office area where majority of the users are..
but they are slowly expanding towards housing areas..

but for celcom's 3.6mbps .. i kinda doubt you can sustain 2mbps 3.6 is only spiked bandwidth which little or less is useless....

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QUOTE(wr6969 @ Oct 28 2007, 12:50 PM)
Unsubstantiated insults will get you nowhere my young padawan.  You have to learn to argue intelligently, backing up the points and assertions you make, otherwise you'll end up looking sillier in the eyes of fellow forumers.  And it appears that I am not the only one questioning your motives in posting all these rave reviews about the service.  But, I digress.  Let me begin my retort.

Once again, for reasons unknown to me, you have chosen to be totally inaccurate in your statements.  Out of the 4 wireless internet service providers (which 4 exactly are you referring to?  I only count the three major ones having a threshold of minimum service coverage, ie. Maxis, Celcom, and to a limited extent, Izzi), you mean to tell the people in this forum that Maxis is not mobile?  Even their home wireless broadband service is as mobile, if not more mobile than, Izzi's.  Of course the same goes for their Internet2Go service.  Are you deliberately leaving Maxis out of your arguments out of spite, because you've had a very negative experience with them before?  wink.gif


Oh... sorry for not stating correctly... I was reffering to the last paragraph that you wrote... hehehehe...

QUOTE(wr6969 @ Oct 28 2007, 12:50 PM)
Secondly, I have found nothing in your reply to warrant a thought-out reply from me.  You have attempted to cover up the deficiencies in your replies by making generalised statements without basis in fact.
What interest does Kyocera, a large Japanese company, has in the success of a miniscule Malaysian company apart from an arm's length relationship of selling its products, collecting the money due, and providing support?  Do you mean to tell me that Kyocera has a stake in Mobif/Izzi, the provider of this service?  I can't seem to find any publicly available information that this is the case, perhaps you can point us in the direction of one to back up your statement?  This is akin to saying that BMW wants Auto Bavaria, one of its distributors in Malaysia, to succeed, and that it cannot and will not let it fail.  This is pure hogwash.  They couldn't care less who does the distributing of their product, as long as anyone is capable of selling their products, they'll work with that party.

And you seem to be implying that if a large company is supplying you with the product, your company cannot fail.  History has shown that even when global, seemingly well run companies release their own products there is no guarantee of success - think about Betamax from Sony.  Think about what Sony is trying to do with BluRay now.  Think about Jaring's wireless service.  Think about Time's foray with its Webbit product.

Can you quote me authoritative studies of the rule where "large company = guaranteed success?" in every instance of its product launch?

To paraphrase Alexander Pope, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.  When people say they know a little, they think they know a lot and comment like an expert commentator, making all sorts of unsubstantiated statements and sometimes telling outright lies.



Lol.... i wasn't hiding anything nor implying anything... I was just speaking my mind out... afterall, this is a forum right? Thats why i said i know "I am not in the marketing line but i do understand a little of Marketing strategy." Sorry if i had mislead what i said...hehehehe

QUOTE(wr6969 @ Oct 28 2007, 12:50 PM)
I really don't understand what you are trying to say here.  Got your panties in a twist is it?  What I am saying is that when you distribute anything, you are selling that product or service, directly or indirectly.  Why bring the venerable Oxford dictionary into your argument?  doh.gif


Well... Do you call a Sole distribute giving the other wholesalers selling? That is call distributing. Selling is that you had the product and sold them to consumer directly. Correct me if i am wrong.

QUOTE(wr6969 @ Oct 28 2007, 12:50 PM)
Try to take a longer term view of this situation.  With Izzi, the product you buy cannot be used for anything else.  You own it after a year.  If you terminate, you'll have a hard time selling off the hardware to a very limited market.  With 3G/HSDPA devices, you can sell it easier, try looking in lelong.com to see how many HSDPA devices are on sale.  And if you already own a 3G/HSDPA phone, your hardware investment is nil.

Izzi's hardware is limited to 1mbps at the moment, perhaps 2mbps in the future.  HSDPA devices are already capable today of going up to 1.8mbps.  If you buy the right device, it will support up to 7.2mbps.  Speed wise, all other things being equal, you'll get more bang for your buck with a 3G/HSDPA service.  But of course this service is not for everyone, just like Izzi's is not universal panacea that some in this thread have made it out to be.
Sell off the datacard/modem/phone on lelong.com.  Plenty of buyers if you're not an unreasonable person when it comes to price.  It's not a throw away proposition when you buy a HSDPA datacard.  If Celcom doesn't work, try Maxis.  If that doesn't work, try U-Mobile.  With Izzi's hardware, you're stuck with Izzi, full stop.


I agree with you on the selling part of the datacard/modem/phone.. But lets put it this way... why would there be so many ppl selling off those devices if they were good? as for the izzi hardware, i believe that it would just be the same if one wanted to sell it off in lelong or ebay. There would still be ppl buying. *just to make sure that you don't get me wrong.... i am just speaking my thoughts out only.

QUOTE(wr6969 @ Oct 28 2007, 12:50 PM)
And I've always wondered why there is no money back guarantee after 6 months - perhaps Izzi will just kill your connection on the 6 month anniversary.  After all, you can't cancel, so what are you going to do about it?  doh.gif
Come on, my friend, you can do better than typing motherhood statements to back up your claims and statements.  Post something intelligent and which makes sense so fellow forumers can see that you are impartial when it comes to selling this service.


I wasn't brainstormed by those izzi marketer... What else can i say about it? All i know is that izzi would be the next revolution for internet access... *just to make sure that you don't get me wrong.... i am just speaking my thoughts out only.


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post Oct 29 2007, 12:36 AM

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See the 3 or 4 station is delay again ... it almost end of Oct. See what they will post on website in 3 more days. Tentatively on 15th Nov. WTF >.<
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post Oct 29 2007, 12:58 AM

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I hope they could finish it up on time though...
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post Oct 29 2007, 12:19 PM

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anyway, good to have izzinet people around in this forum. I tried out their demo, it was quite impressive AT THE MOMENT.

but i will wait for at least another 6months of 1 year to find out whether this company has what it takes to survive. until then, i will still stay with streamyx

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well here is a good channel to have an idea of what's end user feedbacks on their services. They (izzi or other wireless providers) should have a forum on their own site too for user's feedback. So far i think izzi dun have la.


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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Oct 29 2007, 12:19 PM)
anyway, good to have izzinet people around in this forum. I tried out their demo, it was quite impressive AT THE MOMENT.

but i will wait for at least another 6months of 1 year to find out whether this company has what it takes to survive. until then, i will still stay with streamyx
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well i'll just cross my finger and hope for the best that they won't dissapeared by then and able to get a justified returns for them to step further.

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if izzi is out, i got nuthin to fall back on anymore...huhu...
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Hey guyz...


I just signed up today for izzi...at lowyat, the signal strength showed by the sales girl was not that great..but during the speed test dload speeds was about 500kb/sec and uploads were about 300kb/sec


somehow...at my place...

i brought it back home, tried it...and used the speed test...

WEIRD...my dload speed only topped at about 250kb/sec and upload speed 300kb/sec....but my signal strength is like 100%...all the time!


anybody....got any experience?..why is it like thiss????
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hi im izzinet user too now smile.gif i purchase this thing coz i fed up with lousy streamyx ><

so its already 1 week tested. can get >95% signal strength at shah alam and kl (office)
download speed exactly like streamyx before throttle.Torrent now worth it and freakly fast tongue.gif
conclusion, im happy with it atm, coz it deliver wat it promise.

tq
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post Oct 30 2007, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(mohdnazl @ Oct 29 2007, 11:17 PM)
Hey guyz...
I just signed up today for izzi...at lowyat, the signal strength showed by the sales girl was not that great..but during the speed test dload speeds was about 500kb/sec and uploads were about 300kb/sec
somehow...at my place...

i brought it back home, tried it...and used the speed test...

WEIRD...my dload speed only topped at about 250kb/sec and upload speed 300kb/sec....but my signal strength is like 100%...all the time!
anybody....got any experience?..why is it like thiss????
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this is wut i happen b4, try the speed test tmr. if speedtest shows slow speed.u print screen it n send it to support@izzi.com.my


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Maybe getting the Izzi sales person to test it at our place before we really gonna subcript it ?
paying for that much of money and not sure the coverage, not doing the speed test at our place seems a bit risky..
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QUOTE(mohdnazl @ Oct 29 2007, 11:17 PM)
Hey guyz...
I just signed up today for izzi...at lowyat, the signal strength showed by the sales girl was not that great..but during the speed test dload speeds was about 500kb/sec and uploads were about 300kb/sec
somehow...at my place...

i brought it back home, tried it...and used the speed test...

WEIRD...my dload speed only topped at about 250kb/sec and upload speed 300kb/sec....but my signal strength is like 100%...all the time!
anybody....got any experience?..why is it like thiss????
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you called that bad, you should check mine out.... mine is disastrous rclxub.gif
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post Oct 30 2007, 10:08 AM

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Here is my screenie
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post Oct 30 2007, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(priesty @ Oct 30 2007, 10:08 AM)
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it has been all this while like this? me sometimes experience stagnant speed below 200kbps but then i tried disconnect and reconnect several times and its back to normal again. not sure if its due to different IP assigned. since every area has limited users per tower, would it be the towers has reached its maximum users? Can they actually build two or more towers in the same area?

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QUOTE(eikan @ Oct 29 2007, 11:37 PM)
HOLA

hi im izzinet user too now smile.gif  i purchase this thing coz i fed up with lousy streamyx ><

so its already 1 week tested. can get >95% signal strength at shah alam and kl (office)
download speed exactly like streamyx before throttle.Torrent now worth it and freakly fast tongue.gif
conclusion, im happy with it atm, coz it deliver wat it promise.

tq
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If you signed up for P2P alone, you will be quickly taking that statement back once they start throttling when they reach a minimum number of subscribers for "critical mass". After all, it has been stated clearly in their T&Cs that they shape P2P traffic, so it's just a matter of time laugh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(kevyon6 @ Oct 30 2007, 10:51 AM)
it has been all this while like this? me sometimes experience stagnant speed below 200kbps but then i tried disconnect and reconnect several times and its back to normal again. not sure if its due to different IP assigned. since every area has limited users per tower, would it be the towers has reached its maximum users? Can they actually build two or more towers in the same area?
just got it last weekend, but now it's getting slightly more stabil. i ask how many users for each base tower, they say only few tens for a good quality, not like the so called 1 million or 500 users mentioned by those low yat sales girl.
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QUOTE(expertester @ Oct 25 2007, 12:36 PM)
What I afraid most is, at very first month, they give us priority to get the promised bandwith...after that the priority goes to new subscriber...gosh

I read about iBurst, the antenna only able to cope with 24 Mbps (downstream). If each antenna only manage to handle this amount of bandwith, and 50 users use the same source, each of use restricted to 500 kbps???
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it's true!

3] Spatial Division Multiple Access technology
To achieve higher spectral efficiency, the iBurst system supports Space Division Multiple Access, which reuses the bandwidth by multiplexing user signals based on spatial signatures. When the appropriate directional antenna control is done by utilizing adaptive array antenna technology, each UT will have sufficient interference removal and maintains the desired signal. As a result, it makes simultaneous communication possible over same carrier and same time slot. A typical deployment of the iBurst system uses 12 antenna elements and realizes maximum 3 spatial channels. As a result, the iBurst system with 5MHz spectrum availability can handle 72 streams of data transfer:

(8 carriers) x (3 time slots) x (3 spatial channel) = 72 stream

However, 1 carrier out of 8 carriers is used as control channel; therefore number of maximum simultaneous data streams becomes 69. In order to provide maximum data rate to users, iBurst has features to aggregate 3 data streams over 3 time slots. Due to this aggregation function, 24 users can experience maximum data rate transfers simultaneously while 3 users can have data rates corresponding two time slot aggregation.


iBurst uses multi-carrier wideband technology that divides the 5 MHz band into 8 channels.
This system assigns each channel asymmetrically. The data rate uplink being 1/3 and downlink being 2/3.
Therefore, 340 Kbps x 3 slots is a maximum downlink data rate which is 1061 Kbps.
Furthermore, iBurst adopts 24QAM, for the first time. 24QAM increases the amount of data per symbol, a "symbol" being the amount of data that is provided to each terminal. This is one of the reasons why a maximum data rate of 1 Mbps is possible even though the system is wireless.


that means if more than 24 users connected to the same base station at the same time, the speed will shared among them. that's y sometimes my speed at night only 500 kbps. however, during daytime is 900 kbps.

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Kajika...u r not alone...my izzi now have same syndrome with yours. I think, there are more than 50 user at Kelana Jaya now. At peak download hour (night of course, my speed can decrease to 600 kbps).

Well....
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QUOTE(expertester @ Oct 30 2007, 03:54 PM)
Kajika...u r not alone...my izzi now have same syndrome with yours. I think, there are more than 50 user at Kelana Jaya now. At peak download hour (night of course, my speed can decrease to 600 kbps).

Well....
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u obviously didnt notice my screenies, speed hardly capped 300kbps
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QUOTE(wr6969 @ Oct 30 2007, 11:19 AM)
If you signed up for P2P alone, you will be quickly taking that statement back once they start throttling when they reach a minimum number of subscribers for "critical mass".  After all, it has been stated clearly in their T&Cs that they shape P2P traffic, so it's just a matter of time laugh.gif  doh.gif
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hehe, nah... the p2p is bonus, actual purpose for surfing mobililty and always stay connected.

Prevly test my bro inlaw maxis broadband (the old package) but kinda suck at office, poor him cannot change/upgrade to new maxis broadband plan.

If compare streamyx and iZZi on youtube streaming test.. izzi run smoothly. Will report if any unhappy moment happen tongue.gif

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