simple, all these hypermarkets are backup with solid parent companies and models that work. Wireless technologies only sound good on papers. The companies that run these services are mostly near-bankrupt (TIME and MITV). Which makes me think twice before i subscribe to any of their service.

Since you are so 'unfunny' and generous, perhaps you should subscribe to Izzinet and let us know your experience since you are so loud

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Added on October 26, 2007, 3:44 pmIrrelevant. people talk apple you talk orange.

This post has been edited by soul2soul: Oct 26 2007, 03:44 PM

Why don't u say the whole world network cable pull around?

i guess that would be a monopoly then

I think the answer is more complicated, but to put it in a simple manner...they want to compete with each other.

The major hypermarkets around all have a basic plan, to sell goods at a lower price, and they are all competitors too.

every month RM89 is only valid for credit card members?

Lol... if you had read the previous posts, i am planning to be one of the distributor for them. Perhaps by then i could give you some firm answers...

By the way, regarding hypermarkets, if you had read some previous newspaper, it is said that the license for the hypermarket is reopen now... and walmart is planning to come into malaysia... and IF walmart does comes in, existing hypermarket would be affected.

and as for TIME and MITV, their timing wasn't right... thats why they are near-bankrupt... Investments must be put on the right time... and on the right place.... look around you... there are more and more people using mobile devices compared to the old days where basic laptop cost you at least RM3k...

I hope you understand what i am trying to say...I am not trying to flame you...

p/s: for your information, malaysia have a policy where no monopoly is allowed... If all the ISP merged to be one big company, it would ruined more of malaysia's economy.

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Added on October 27, 2007, 2:08 amAs long as repayment scheme, it would have to go through credit card

This post has been edited by Anodize: Oct 27 2007, 02:08 AM

and you think Izzinet is putting investment at the right time? Their area of service is overlapping with Maxis wireless broadband , DIgi Edge and Celcom HSDPA service - all the 3 big brothers now offering their wireless service for < RM 100 a month.

Izzinet can only break even IF their service is consistently good , supported by good customer service - which is yet to be seen . Only time will tell if they succeed in this model. At the meantime, I am just telling you that I am not willing to put RM1000 ++ commitment fee to a service that binds me for 1 year, as compared to Maxis / DIgi/ Celcom where I could terminate at anytime.

YOu could talk like a salesman, because it is your intention to sell , and I do not expect you to be impartial in your view on Izzinet.

WEbbit died, Jaring wireless static already - any more proof you want?

as I note before, our local internet is dominated by TMNET , with Maxis showing some effort to break their monopoly. However, for smaller companies, they need to merge and combine their resources IF they want to break monopoly of TMNET. I was just bringing up the hypothetical scenario of local smaller companies like TIME, Jaring, Mitv , Izzinet to share their resources to build a bigger company to tackle TMNET, rather than going solo in their endeavour.

Shill marketing. Lots of it nowadays in Lowyat.net. More so in this particular thread.

I suggest potential users read carefully the responses in this thread; whom they were made by, etc. It's the least an intelligent would-be buyer must do before signing up to avoid a lot of unnecessary stress and aggravation later on.

soul2soul... did TMNET comes in a boom? or did they come in through Klang Valley and then slowly expand to nationwide?

I am not sure who are the backbone for TIME or other ISP, but Izzinet's backbone is Kyocera...

And yes.. they put it in the right timing... Cuz right now, there are lots of complaints regarding other ISP.
The only thing that i see that izzi have yet to improve are:

Coverage area.
Consistent bandwidth.

Pricing wise, i would say its fair compared to maxis,celcom and etc...
and who said that you can't cancel anytime you want? Maybe you can do some research on their website first... Do all the comparison and then only you choose wisely...


It is not my intention to just sell... my intention is to DISTRIBUTE.

hi again,

my speed go back to normal since my last complaint sent via their email which attach with my speedtest results. the speed consistent since yesterday. hopefully izzinet wont detoriate my speed again

p/s: been waiting since the early of october....
p/s: i tested the mtu 1400 and 1500, speed nothing different, so i remain to 1500.

Have been following this thread since the beginning & did not make any remarks because was thinking of selling the products as well. So saying anything positive might seems like "shill marketing". However, I did PM a few guys to exchange info. Have brought in some samples of 8dbi panel antenna together with the 20cm & 1 meter pigtail for testing & it does improved on the signal strength where the coverage is poor or even non-existent. Is it alright for me to promote the antenna here or do I need to start a new thread under some other headings?

Note: Signal strength & the speed test performance are two different things. You can have good signal strength but still the speed test might show otherwise. But I did test in a few areas with much improvement though.

As i know, Izzi offers the most flexible payment scheme comparing to other current wireless broadband provider. Maxis, you are bind to their contract for 18 months and you can't cancel it if you have exceeded their 7 days cool-off period meaning if your bandwidth sux after that cooling off period, you are doom paying every month for that poor bandwidth unless they can fix ur problem. For izzi, you can cancel within 3 or 6 months time and you are refunded for the remaining months. oh yeah, i was one maxis subscriber but now i'm a happy izziOne

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Added on October 27, 2007, 3:46 pm

ROTFLMAO!

Using big words do not make you look intelligent. Kyocera manufactures the hardware for Izzi. In fact, they are the only hardware manufacturer for iBurst equipment in the world, IIRC. The only major customisation for each country that offers iBurst is the frequency it operates on.

When you distribute, aren't you selling the service? Selling the iBurst hardware without the service is absolutely pointless, the hardware cannot be used for anything else apart from Izzi's service.

Clearly you need to do a lot more careful thinking before you embark on such an ambitious endeavour. You need to iron out those misrepresentations and inaccurate statements from your selling pitch

More inaccurate assertions and incomplete market research. If you subscribe to Maxis Internet2Go, there is no minimum contract period. You can cancel anytime. It's currently priced at RM99 monthly. You do, however, need to buy a datacard or phone that is HSDPA capable to enjoy the service. This is a one time investment. In case you haven't noticed, subscribers pay for the hardware when you subscribe to Izzi. How else can you explain the difference in pricing between Izzi's different hardware packages offered, when all other terms of service remain the same?

An alternative to Maxis would be Celcom - its Broadband product. They have a daily plan, a monthly plan with speeds capped at UMTS, and a premier plan on HSDPA. Again, as with Internet2Go, you need to buy your own modem. And again, you can cancel anytime.

Contrast this with Izzi - you pay upfront, then when you want to cancel, you have to wait for a refund cheque. With the others, you just wait for the final bill before settling it. And even if you opt for interest free instalment payments using your credit card with Izzi, you would still need Izzi's consent before your credit card company will cancel the remaining monthly instalments. If there were no such controls, what's to stop me from buying an expensive product using interest free instalment, then unilaterally cancel my remaining instalments?

Please post the technical specifications of your antenna here. For example, frequency band. Gain. Horizontal/vertical beamwidth. As far as I'm aware, there are not many manufacturers who produce antenna optimised for iBurst. Even if they did, you still need to find one that covers the 1800Mhz frequency for it to make a difference for Izzi.

And of course you're absolutely correct - signal strength and performance are different things. Although it may seem logical to assume good signal reception gives better speed, this is not always the case. With wifi, I've survived on 30-40% signal strength and still managed to download at 150KB/s. If you play with wireless technologies often enough, you'll see what I mean. I currently subscribe to Streamyx, Celcom HSDPA, and Izzi, and use wifi extensively, so maybe I know what I'm talking about

well for my case its all becoz i can't afford to fork out one large sum of money one shot therefore in my list i cancel out those wireless provider that requires you to buy the equipment. plus once i have bought those equipment i can't be sure i'm getting the performance as stated. then if u plan to cancel the plan, then you have to think of how to get rid of the equipment you just bought which is not cheap.

This post has been edited by kevyon6: Oct 27 2007, 10:46 PM

yeah... you are one hell of a internet user.... but among the 4, 2 of them are mobile (izzi and Celcom HSDPA). You've got to compare apple with apple...if you get what i mean...

This post has been edited by Anodize: Oct 28 2007, 12:50 AM

apple orange or banana , but i still compare maxis bb, celcom, izzi, streamyx eventhough is different type....cuz all comes back to same comparison eventually,....tht is my money n my satisfaction lol....

all users hv been comparing them since ice age altho tm is wired n the rest r not....different nature, but close pricing and ultimately, its the satisfaction tht matters....hehe

This post has been edited by wayfeel: Oct 28 2007, 10:45 AM

Unsubstantiated insults will get you nowhere my young padawan. You have to learn to argue intelligently, backing up the points and assertions you make, otherwise you'll end up looking sillier in the eyes of fellow forumers. And it appears that I am not the only one questioning your motives in posting all these rave reviews about the service. But, I digress. Let me begin my retort.

Once again, for reasons unknown to me, you have chosen to be totally inaccurate in your statements. Out of the 4 wireless internet service providers (which 4 exactly are you referring to? I only count the three major ones having a threshold of minimum service coverage, ie. Maxis, Celcom, and to a limited extent, Izzi), you mean to tell the people in this forum that Maxis is not mobile? Even their home wireless broadband service is as mobile, if not more mobile than, Izzi's. Of course the same goes for their Internet2Go service. Are you deliberately leaving Maxis out of your arguments out of spite, because you've had a very negative experience with them before?

Secondly, I have found nothing in your reply to warrant a thought-out reply from me. You have attempted to cover up the deficiencies in your replies by making generalised statements without basis in fact.



What interest does Kyocera, a large Japanese company, has in the success of a miniscule Malaysian company apart from an arm's length relationship of selling its products, collecting the money due, and providing support? Do you mean to tell me that Kyocera has a stake in Mobif/Izzi, the provider of this service? I can't seem to find any publicly available information that this is the case, perhaps you can point us in the direction of one to back up your statement? This is akin to saying that BMW wants Auto Bavaria, one of its distributors in Malaysia, to succeed, and that it cannot and will not let it fail. This is pure hogwash. They couldn't care less who does the distributing of their product, as long as anyone is capable of selling their products, they'll work with that party.

And you seem to be implying that if a large company is supplying you with the product, your company cannot fail. History has shown that even when global, seemingly well run companies release their own products there is no guarantee of success - think about Betamax from Sony. Think about what Sony is trying to do with BluRay now. Think about Jaring's wireless service. Think about Time's foray with its Webbit product.

Can you quote me authoritative studies of the rule where "large company = guaranteed success?" in every instance of its product launch?

To paraphrase Alexander Pope, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. When people say they know a little, they think they know a lot and comment like an expert commentator, making all sorts of unsubstantiated statements and sometimes telling outright lies.



I really don't understand what you are trying to say here. Got your panties in a twist is it? What I am saying is that when you distribute anything, you are selling that product or service, directly or indirectly. Why bring the venerable Oxford dictionary into your argument?



Try to take a longer term view of this situation. With Izzi, the product you buy cannot be used for anything else. You own it after a year. If you terminate, you'll have a hard time selling off the hardware to a very limited market. With 3G/HSDPA devices, you can sell it easier, try looking in lelong.com to see how many HSDPA devices are on sale. And if you already own a 3G/HSDPA phone, your hardware investment is nil.

Izzi's hardware is limited to 1mbps at the moment, perhaps 2mbps in the future. HSDPA devices are already capable today of going up to 1.8mbps. If you buy the right device, it will support up to 7.2mbps. Speed wise, all other things being equal, you'll get more bang for your buck with a 3G/HSDPA service. But of course this service is not for everyone, just like Izzi's is not universal panacea that some in this thread have made it out to be.

Sell off the datacard/modem/phone on lelong.com. Plenty of buyers if you're not an unreasonable person when it comes to price. It's not a throw away proposition when you buy a HSDPA datacard. If Celcom doesn't work, try Maxis. If that doesn't work, try U-Mobile. With Izzi's hardware, you're stuck with Izzi, full stop.

And I've always wondered why there is no money back guarantee after 6 months - perhaps Izzi will just kill your connection on the 6 month anniversary. After all, you can't cancel, so what are you going to do about it?



Come on, my friend, you can do better than typing motherhood statements to back up your claims and statements. Post something intelligent and which makes sense so fellow forumers can see that you are impartial when it comes to selling this service.

You can always buy the hardware using a credit card, and opt to repay your bank in interest free instalments. Many, if not all banks provide this service to encourage people to spend more

But here's something to think about: If you can't afford something, don't buy it. If you purchase alternatives based on price alone, you will get no sympathy later from anyone if the alternative doesn't perform up to your expectations. As the saying goes, cheap things not good, good things not cheap.

With other access devices, you can always use them with alternative providers (with HSDPA datacards, you try Celcom, Maxis and U-Mobile (when they finally decide to launch their service)). If all three doesn't work, sell it off in lowyat.net or lelong.com, no big deal.

Yes, you do know what you're talking about & below is the spec:-

Brand Name: I-tek
Model:ITK-P1708
Description: Frequency Range 1725-1950MHz
VSWR ≤1.5
Input Impedance 50Ω
Gain 8dBi
Polarization Vertical
Horizontal Plane ΘHP 88°
Vertical Plane ΘHP 47°
Front to Back Ratio ≥15dB
Maximum Input Power 50W
Connector Type N -Female
Lightning Protection DC ground
Mechanical Specifications
Dimension 210mm×180mm×44mm
Weight 600g
Cable length: 30cm
Antenna color: White
Radome material ABS
Working Temperature -40℃~+60℃
Optional RG174 MMCX Right Angle Male to N-Type Male 20cm or 1 meter length



This post has been edited by adamw: Oct 28 2007, 03:54 PM

Don't u think I'm aware of buying things with credit card with interest free instalments. just like what anodize has mentioned that the total amount of purchasing the equipment and paying every month for the services (celcom, internet2go) sum up more than what izzi can offer for now. do the math and i agree that if u can't afford something then don't buy it but in my case the TOTAL amount chargeable by izzi is within my budget and best of all i'm getting the bandwidth i paid for so far. what's more can you ask, right?

This post has been edited by kevyon6: Oct 28 2007, 04:19 PM

Interesting. For a panel, it's got quite a wide horizontal beamwidth.

My comments:

(1) N to MMCX pigtail shouldn't be optional, in fact, it's probably highly recommended. I don't know many people who have got spare N to MMCX pigtails lying around. What's the loss of the pigtails you've got? The net gain is more important.

(2) A panel antenna assumes you know where to point it though. Most of us probably haven't got a clue where Izzi placed their antenna unless we speak to their technies, and even then, they may not tell us. Of course we could all go around looking at rooftops for the signature iBurst antenna, but I doubt we have that much patience and time The low tech approach would be to randomly point the antenna, check signal strength and repeat process until you have a rough idea of the location of the antenna 

If you're planning on selling this, why not post the price here for the antenna, as well as the pigtail? And of course make it clear to people that if they don't buy a pigtail or have one lying around, the antenna is almost useless except as a paper weight

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Added on October 28, 2007, 4:30 pmSounds like you know what you need to do then, based on your circumstances.

A quick benchmark:

(1) Maxis internet2go at RM 99 per month = RM 1,247.40 including service tax.
One time investment in HSDPA PC Card at RM 430. 1.8mbps bandwidth, some have reported higher speeds. Check relevant LYN thread for details.

(2) Celcom's competing offering is at RM 120 monthly before service tax. 3.6mbps bandwidth.

This post has been edited by wr6969: Oct 28 2007, 04:37 PM