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melondance
post Sep 17 2023, 10:57 PM

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Oh wow. I tested recurring investment for USD 20 trade for LSE ETF (IUAG). The commission is only USD 0.18.
That's almost like free...

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QUOTE(melondance @ Sep 17 2023, 10:57 PM)
Oh wow. I tested recurring investment for USD 20 trade for LSE ETF (IUAG). The commission is only USD 0.18.
That's almost like free...
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0.18 USD / 20 USD * 100% = 0.9%

That's quite high...
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post Sep 18 2023, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(melondance @ Sep 17 2023, 10:57 PM)
only USD 0.18.
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lagi no make sense. supposed to be U$0.35 blink.gif

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post Sep 18 2023, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 17 2023, 10:59 PM)
0.18 USD / 20 USD * 100% = 0.9%

That's quite high...
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I will do a larger buy using recurring investment in a week or two. Will update on the commission they charged
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post Sep 18 2023, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Aug 22 2023, 11:51 PM)
Hi friends, just to share some info from my experiment:

I've set up recurring investment for VWRA, a LSE listed ETF denominated in USD.

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Contrary to the information provided by IBKR:

1. If you don't have enough USD, it will convert from your other currency balances. This conversion is free.
2. It trades at the end of the trading day.
3. It charges minimal commission where possible. (0.35 USD instead of the usual 1.70+ USD) The ongoing theory is that it's an internal trade within IBKR where possible and it saves cost.

The cheapest route to invest at any amount now for me is:

1. Remit SGD to SG Bank. (MoneyMatch -> CIMB SG, <2 hour during working hours)
2. Deposit from SG Bank to IBKR SG (CIMB SG -> IBKR, <2 hour before funds are made tradable)
3. Set up recurring investment, it's possible to set to buy for exactly 1 time to mimic normal buying.
4. SGD automatically converted to USD without 2USD commission on trade with IBKR's great spot rate.
5. Trade is done at cheapest possible broker commissions.

Not only this makes weekly DCA viable, it also basically eliminates my minimum investment amount per trade. (Used to be RM3000+ for better rates on SunwayMoney and keeping TX cost at around 0.5%)
Obviously, if your stock has shit spread, do not do this. But this is a great boon for investors like me.
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Is auto currency conversion applicable to recurring investment transactions only in margin account ? What about adhoc non-recurring transactions ?
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post Sep 22 2023, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(melondance @ Sep 17 2023, 10:57 PM)
Oh wow. I tested recurring investment for USD 20 trade for LSE ETF (IUAG). The commission is only USD 0.18.
That's almost like free...
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Anyone managed to create recurring investment for CSPX? I tried it just now but it shows "You cannot create a recurring investment for CSPX at LSEETF.".
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post Sep 22 2023, 11:45 AM

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TaiGoh i can't find CSPX in fractional shares list. only fractional shares can be used for recurring investment https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=45718.
the list is not directly accessible, u need to click on the link in Step 1, then click on link in Step 2

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post Sep 22 2023, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Sep 22 2023, 11:45 AM)
TaiGoh i can't find CSPX in fractional shares list. only fractional shares can be used for recurring investment https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=45718.
the list is not directly accessible, u need to click on the link in Step 1, then click on link in Step 2

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Ah, Thanks for the info! Meaning still need to pay USD1.90 to buy CSPX then. cry.gif

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post Sep 24 2023, 09:05 PM

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For the Irish domiciled SPY etf, its CSPX and VUAA to get the 15% WHT right? Anyone investing in them and if so which?
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post Sep 26 2023, 01:16 PM

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Interesting article:

FT The Big Read : US Treasury bonds

The debt-fuelled bet on US Treasuries that’s scaring regulators
Policymakers are concerned about the huge leverage that hedge funds are employing as part of the so-called basis trade

by Kate Duguid, Costas Mourselas and Ortenca Aliaj (AN HOUR AGO)

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Source (with paywall): https://www.ft.com/content/a8348e2a-a90f-47...a6-8c2eb0e263c2

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post Sep 26 2023, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(abcn1n @ Sep 24 2023, 09:05 PM)
For the Irish domiciled SPY etf, its CSPX and VUAA  to get the 15% WHT right? Anyone investing in them and if so which?
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Pick either one. For me I pick the one with the lowest fees.
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post Sep 26 2023, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 26 2023, 01:23 PM)
Pick either one. For me I pick the one with the lowest fees.
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Ramjade Sorry, but both have expense ratio of 0.07%. So what am I missing here with regards to the ETF that has the lowest fee?
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post Sep 26 2023, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Sep 22 2023, 11:45 AM)
i can't find CSPX in fractional shares list.
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i can find VUAA in fractional shares list. can use IBKR's recurring investment to buy in at cheap commission fees

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post Sep 27 2023, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Apr 23 2023, 10:11 AM)
1. For USD withdrawal from IBKR via Wise:



SGD withdrawal should follow a similar route.

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2. Unfortunately, dealing with estate matters internationally is pretty cumbersome. Here is a recent info (as of Dec 2022) which explains the estate transfer matters:

https://forum.mustachianpost.com/t/interact...e-of-death/9441

A few advices:

- Open a joint account when you are old and transfer existing assets into the new joint account so that when you are not around the other account holder still have access to the assets.

- Add a Trusted Contact Party (TCP) so that IBKR can call him/her when they lose contact with you for quite some time.

- At the very least, inform your loved/trusted ones you have an international brokerage account at IBKR so that they know you have assets overseas. Ask them to contact IBKR when you are not around (or better still, if they already have opened an account at IBKR, a joint-account would help simplify matters).

- The estate transfer process may differ depending on which jurisdiction you open your account with (US/UK/SG/HK/AU etc.).
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Good sharing now that have to move from Ameritrade SG to IBKR
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post Sep 27 2023, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(labtec @ Sep 27 2023, 11:00 AM)
Good sharing now that have to move from Ameritrade SG to IBKR
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I do have to let you know that IBKR is doing "limited prop trading", which is unlike most other brokers (including TD Ameritrade).

TD Ameritrade (which promises you 0 commission etc.) route your orders to market makers like Citadel, Virtu etc. Citadel/Virtu and others are taking position against you, not TD Ameritrade.

But this is not the case with IBKR. IBKR may match your orders with other IBKR clients (which is still reasonable), or they may simply take positions against you (e.g., you submit buy order, IBKR sell to you...)

So, IBKR is no longer purely a broker, it's a prop trader, and it's trading against you.

Cheap things come at a price. There is no free lunch in the world of finance.

Just for your info.
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post Sep 27 2023, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 27 2023, 11:33 AM)
I do have to let you know that IBKR is doing "limited prop trading", which is unlike most other brokers (including TD Ameritrade).

TD Ameritrade (which promises you 0 commission etc.) route your orders to market makers like Citadel, Virtu etc. Citadel/Virtu and others are taking position against you, not TD Ameritrade.

But this is not the case with IBKR. IBKR may match your orders with other IBKR clients (which is still reasonable), or they may simply take positions against you (e.g., you submit buy order, IBKR sell to you...)

So, IBKR is no longer purely a broker, it's a prop trader, and it's trading against you.

Cheap things come at a price. There is no free lunch in the world of finance.

Just for your info.
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At least better than local maalaysian and local Singaporean brokerage which is not even competitive.
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post Sep 27 2023, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 27 2023, 11:33 AM)
I do have to let you know that IBKR is doing "limited prop trading", which is unlike most other brokers (including TD Ameritrade).

TD Ameritrade (which promises you 0 commission etc.) route your orders to market makers like Citadel, Virtu etc. Citadel/Virtu and others are taking position against you, not TD Ameritrade.

But this is not the case with IBKR. IBKR may match your orders with other IBKR clients (which is still reasonable), or they may simply take positions against you (e.g., you submit buy order, IBKR sell to you...)

So, IBKR is no longer purely a broker, it's a prop trader, and it's trading against you.

Cheap things come at a price. There is no free lunch in the world of finance.

Just for your info.
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hmm.... but as long as the trade transaction go smoothly and fast, then should be fine i think hmm.gif



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post Sep 27 2023, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 27 2023, 12:12 PM)
At least better than local maalaysian and local Singaporean brokerage which is not even competitive.
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Competitive as in? Yes, it's cheap, judging by fees. But you cannot just look at pricing alone. Again, no free lunch. It's cheap because they make money from you in another way: the fact that they can trade against you.

You gain on one hand, you lose on the other.

QUOTE(labtec @ Sep 27 2023, 02:36 PM)
hmm.... but as long as the trade transaction go smoothly and fast, then should be fine i think  hmm.gif
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Of course, to answer Ramjade as well, for long-term investors, the fact that they trade against you won't affect your long-term returns if you are a buy-and-hold investors. But prop trading introduces unnecessary risks. IBKR is not just facilitating the game, it's playing it. Your "broker" could have just charged a fixed commission and earn from both buyer/seller in a typical stock/options trade.

But now, because of greed, they venture further. If they make money by fronting your trade, for instance, the broker will survive, but if they take opposite bets against you and the market sentiment turns yet they have positions which they could not unwind in a short period of time, they will fail. (Then of course, you will claim SIPC can step in... ok this moral hazard part... I cannot argue...)

In short, prop trading destabilizes the broker's finances. You make money in a bull market, like everyone does. When tail risk sets in, it's whole another story. (Citadel, Virtu etc., being market makers, are a different beast.)

I am not saying that there are serious problems with IBKR, but as its users, you gotta know what's going on behind the scene.

It's good to have a second brokerage account to standby, just in case. E.g., I have DBS Vickers + FSM SG, both linked to my CDP account in Spore. Those who can't open a CDP account can have open other brokerage accounts to standby.

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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 27 2023, 11:33 AM)
I do have to let you know that IBKR is doing "limited prop trading", which is unlike most other brokers (including TD Ameritrade).

TD Ameritrade (which promises you 0 commission etc.) route your orders to market makers like Citadel, Virtu etc. Citadel/Virtu and others are taking position against you, not TD Ameritrade.

But this is not the case with IBKR. IBKR may match your orders with other IBKR clients (which is still reasonable), or they may simply take positions against you (e.g., you submit buy order, IBKR sell to you...)

So, IBKR is no longer purely a broker, it's a prop trader, and it's trading against you.

Cheap things come at a price. There is no free lunch in the world of finance.

Just for your info.
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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 27 2023, 05:38 PM)
Competitive as in? Yes, it's cheap, judging by fees. But you cannot just look at pricing alone. Again, no free lunch. It's cheap because they make money from you in another way: the fact that they can trade against you.

You gain on one hand, you lose on the other.
Of course, to answer Ramjade as well, for long-term investors, the fact that they trade against you won't affect your long-term returns if you are a buy-and-hold investors. But prop trading introduces unnecessary risks. IBKR is not just facilitating the game, it's playing it. Your "broker" could have just charged a fixed commission and earn from both buyer/seller in a typical stock/options trade.

But now, because of greed, they venture further. If they make money by fronting your trade, for instance, the broker will survive, but if they take opposite bets against you and the market sentiment turns yet they have positions which they could not unwind in a short period of time, they will fail. (Then of course, you will claim SIPC can step in... ok this moral hazard part... I cannot argue...)

In short, prop trading destabilizes the broker's finances. You make money in a bull market, like everyone does. When tail risk sets in, it's whole another story. (Citadel, Virtu etc., being market makers, are a different beast.)

I am not saying that there are serious problems with IBKR, but as its users, you gotta know what's going on behind the scene.

It's good to have a second brokerage account to standby, just in case. E.g., I have DBS Vickers + FSM SG, both linked to my CDP account in Spore. Those who can't open a CDP account can have open other brokerage accounts to standby.
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Thanks for sharing. Didn't know that about IB
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post Sep 27 2023, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 27 2023, 05:38 PM)
Competitive as in? Yes, it's cheap, judging by fees. But you cannot just look at pricing alone. Again, no free lunch. It's cheap because they make money from you in another way: the fact that they can trade against you.

You gain on one hand, you lose on the other.
Of course, to answer Ramjade as well, for long-term investors, the fact that they trade against you won't affect your long-term returns if you are a buy-and-hold investors. But prop trading introduces unnecessary risks. IBKR is not just facilitating the game, it's playing it. Your "broker" could have just charged a fixed commission and earn from both buyer/seller in a typical stock/options trade.

But now, because of greed, they venture further. If they make money by fronting your trade, for instance, the broker will survive, but if they take opposite bets against you and the market sentiment turns yet they have positions which they could not unwind in a short period of time, they will fail. (Then of course, you will claim SIPC can step in... ok this moral hazard part... I cannot argue...)

In short, prop trading destabilizes the broker's finances. You make money in a bull market, like everyone does. When tail risk sets in, it's whole another story. (Citadel, Virtu etc., being market makers, are a different beast.)

I am not saying that there are serious problems with IBKR, but as its users, you gotta know what's going on behind the scene.

It's good to have a second brokerage account to standby, just in case. E.g., I have DBS Vickers + FSM SG, both linked to my CDP account in Spore. Those who can't open a CDP account can have open other brokerage accounts to standby.
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Access to so many markets. Wholesale exchange rate and only usd2.00 per conversion of foreign currency. Tell me one broker that offer the above.

All kind of fees. Look at how much the local brokerage charge Vs western brokerage. Let's not forget markup foreign exchange fees quarterly platform fees, dividend fees. If you like paying fees to your brokerage by all means go ahead. Make your broker and they thank you for it. My sg brokerage all empty and transfer over to interactive broker. I don't hold any reits any more especially no dividend growth but rather dividend cuts.

If you know how ibkr operate you will feel really safe with them. Especially if you how kiasu they are. Almost Chinaman like. Let's not forget they have the highest margin of any US brokerage and have free float of USD10k per customer as they don't pay interest on the first USD10k so basically the USD10k is free money for them.

QUOTE(abcn1n @ Sep 27 2023, 05:52 PM)
Thanks for sharing. Didn't know that about IB
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He's very pro Singaporean stuff and their stocks.Me on the other like value for money. If something or someone give me better offer/deal for my money, I am their customer asap. I don't have any brand loyalty. You give me good deals, I will be your customer.

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