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xander2k8
post Sep 29 2023, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Sep 28 2023, 07:20 PM)
ibkr should not have to apply wht on qualifying interest/dividend income in the first place...

i doubt they pay irs first and then claim it back next year to refund y'all...

anyways...
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Nothing to do with IBKR because the ruling is from IRS itself 🤦‍♀️ in order to prove that the holders are holding and refunded accordingly
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post Sep 29 2023, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Sep 29 2023, 03:18 PM)
Nothing to do with IBKR because the ruling is from IRS itself 🤦‍♀️ in order to prove that the holders are holding and refunded accordingly
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show me proof of what you say please.

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post Sep 29 2023, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Sep 29 2023, 03:55 PM)
show me proof of what you say please.
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Stated here clearly 🤦‍♀️ which is why ITIN is needed in order to prove as NRA identity to reclaim part of WHT

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/internation...specific-income

So it is not the broker fault 🤦‍♀️ but they following the law and providing clearly on it in order to prevent seizure from IRS

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post Sep 29 2023, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 28 2023, 10:53 PM)
Woah this I don't know. Upon further reading looks like no withholding is necessary in the first place.

https://www.ssga.com/library-content/produc...us-en-ssiit.pdf

Not sure if they apply the withholding due to ease of administration. You think can complain?
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I think this is for US Bond ETF, doesn't happen to Irish Domiciled US Bond ETF right?
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post Sep 29 2023, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(melondance @ Sep 29 2023, 05:21 PM)
I think this is for US Bond ETF, doesn't happen to Irish Domiciled US Bond ETF right?
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I think so, but better check with dwRK. StashAway switched over to Irish domiciled ones due to the 30% WHT issue too: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=107976337
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post Sep 29 2023, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 29 2023, 05:40 PM)
I think so, but better check with dwRK. StashAway switched over to Irish domiciled ones due to the 30% WHT issue too: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=107976337
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I referred to Bogleheads Wiki on ETF Taxes, I didn't verify it though.

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Furthermore, Irish domiciled ETF doesn't just pay 15% flat WHT, it pays 15% WHT for US stocks only. So meaning if your ETF holds non-US stock, you pay only WHT to other countries that apply.

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Source: https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Nonresident..._domiciled_ETFs


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post Sep 29 2023, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(melondance @ Sep 29 2023, 07:07 PM)
I referred to Bogleheads Wiki on ETF Taxes, I didn't verify it though.

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Furthermore, Irish domiciled ETF doesn't just pay 15% flat WHT, it pays 15% WHT for US stocks only. So meaning if your ETF holds non-US stock, you pay only WHT to other countries that apply.

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Source: https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Nonresident..._domiciled_ETFs
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chart is wrong imho...

did not look at table
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post Sep 29 2023, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Sep 29 2023, 04:59 PM)
Stated here clearly 🤦‍♀️ which is why ITIN is needed in order to prove as NRA identity to reclaim part of WHT

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/internation...specific-income

So it is not the broker fault 🤦‍♀️ but they following the law and providing clearly on it in order to prevent seizure from IRS
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no... where did it mention anything about qualifying dividends that you have to pay wht tax first and then you claim it back later? what has itin got to do with anything about getting refund from irs/broker?... folks are getting refund on wht for qualifying dividends from tbils... but i doubt they have itins... so how are they getting refunds if they don't have itins as you have mentioned?

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post Sep 29 2023, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(melondance @ Sep 29 2023, 05:21 PM)
I think this is for US Bond ETF, doesn't happen to Irish Domiciled US Bond ETF right?
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ireland and usa have a tax treaty... so they pay only 15% wht for usa listed stuff... hence you get 85% of div because of it...

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post Sep 29 2023, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Sep 29 2023, 09:53 PM)
ireland and usa have a tax treaty... so they pay only 15% wht for usa listed stuff... hence you get 85% of div because of it...
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For Irish domiciled US bomd ETF, it should be 0% right?
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post Sep 29 2023, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 28 2023, 10:53 PM)
Woah this I don't know. Upon further reading looks like no withholding is necessary in the first place.

https://www.ssga.com/library-content/produc...us-en-ssiit.pdf

Not sure if they apply the withholding due to ease of administration. You think can complain?
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https://www.ssga.com/library-content/produc...eation-2023.pdf

According to above link's table, BIL is 99.67% tax exempted in Jul dividend distribution. If your deduction by IBKR during Jul match the expected %. Looking at its trend, it should progress to 100% tax exemption soon. That is the good news. If I understand what the document says correctly.....I am not so sure.

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post Sep 29 2023, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(Toku @ Sep 29 2023, 11:22 PM)
https://www.ssga.com/library-content/produc...eation-2023.pdf

According to above link's table, BIL is 99.67% tax exempted in Jul dividend distribution. If your deduction by IBKR during Jul match the expected %. Looking at its trend, it should progress to 100% tax exemption soon. That is the good news. If I understand what the document says correctly.....I am not so sure.
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you cannot look at trend... it depends on what BIL "has" imho... if 100% deployed to treasuries you get 100%... if only 97% deployed... hence holding 3% cash with interest income... you get maybe 97.2%... just saying...

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post Sep 30 2023, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Sep 29 2023, 09:45 PM)
no... where did it mention anything about qualifying dividends that you have to pay wht tax first and then you claim it back later? what has itin got to do with anything about getting refund from irs/broker?... folks are getting refund on wht for qualifying dividends from tbils... but i doubt they have itins... so how are they getting refunds if they don't have itins as you have mentioned?
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They would know 🤦‍♀️ because you need to submit W8 form as to prove your NRA tax status

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/internation...nra-withholding
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post Oct 2 2023, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Sep 30 2023, 01:24 AM)
They would know 🤦‍♀️ because you need to submit W8 form as to prove your NRA tax status

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/internation...nra-withholding
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no man... you don't understand my whole questioning from the get go... but that's ok...

i have no stake and don't need an answer... laugh.gif
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post Oct 2 2023, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(melondance @ Sep 29 2023, 10:13 PM)
For Irish domiciled US bond ETF, it should be 0% right?
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dwRK US Treasury UCITS is 0% right?
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post Oct 2 2023, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Oct 2 2023, 10:24 PM)
dwRK US Treasury UCITS is 0% right?
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i think so... these are non-us domiciled treasury etfs... if you don't pay wht in the us... shouldn't need to pay wht elsewhere...

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post Oct 3 2023, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(melondance @ Sep 29 2023, 10:13 PM)
For Irish domiciled US bomd ETF, it should be 0% right?
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depends on the types of bond, % etf holdings and how much/many of it meets US qualifying interest income requirements...

you'll have to go back to the issuer and they should have calculated it out in their reports

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post Oct 3 2023, 11:14 PM

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One moderator from HWZ says that IB01 allows you to bypass all the withholding and estate taxes.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/...#post-149574191
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post Oct 4 2023, 05:20 PM

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FT Opinion: Inside Business

The Yeezy standard for accounting
The debacle over the abortive tie up between Adidas and Kanye West points to a broader need for disclosure

by Olaf Storbeck (2 HOURS AGO)


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Source (with paywall): https://www.ft.com/content/8b094370-f7e7-49...6d-6c0096be7784

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post Oct 4 2023, 08:49 PM

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moving over from TD, with TD can see YTD P&L, can IB app show the same in one summary page.

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