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post Apr 2 2022, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Apr 2 2022, 02:10 PM)
Now, market maker try to keep these value as close as possible, to minimize what we call tracking errors.
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Or as far as possible, but not until it scares long-term investors away. biggrin.gif

This is what most passive ETF investors who like "low-cost" funds actually miss out. One source of profit for the fund managers like Vanguard and Blackrock has been the spread between the true underlying NAV and the ETF market value.

It's still a very oligopolistic market for the fund management industry, so the tracking errors will sustain for some time until more players come in and bring it down (slightly) due to competition.

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Finally, the ETF industry has a strong incentive to promote these products over traditional mutual funds. It is not that their stated fee structures are materially higher than those of open-ended mutual funds, but there are opportunities to trade profitably around the management of fund shares that generate large and steady streams of revenue.

The process can be contrasted to the creation of shares in an open-ended mutual fund. In the traditional fund, the manager receives indication of new investments or redemptions over the course of the day. If there is net flow in it is the managerโ€™s job to buy underlying shares of stock at as close to the final net asset value as possible so that the newly created fund shares match up well with the underlying assets. In general, any improvement in the price at which the underlying stocks are acquired accrues to the benefit of all the other fund participants as the new assets go into the pool at less than the end of day NAV. Net redemptions are simply the mirror image of this process on the sell side.

New ETF shares are created whenever the market demand exceeds the existing supply available for sale. At such times an Authorized Participant (AP) goes about acquiring the underlying stocks in the ETF and packaging them into new ETF shares. The shares are registered with the sponsor and become part of the float. Again, the process of redeeming shares is identical on the other side.

The key distinction, however, is that the AP does not act until there is some indication of excess demand for the ETF shares. That indication is the price of the ETF rising above the NAV of the underlying shares. This is an activity that gives rise to an arbitrage opportunity for the AP. Once the ETF price is high enough, the AP buys the lower priced securities and sells the new shares of the ETF, locking in a trading profit.

This activity is essentially the same kind of arbitrage that has gone on between stock index futures and baskets of stocks since the 1980s. In the case of stock index arbitrage-using futures, it is a highly competitive open market and long ago any excess profits were competed out of the system. It is somewhat different with ETFs. While there are many authorized participants operating across literally hundreds of ETFs, there is not complete and open competition for these services. The arbitrage spreads are not egregiously large, but they are attractive enough to encourage institutional ETF participants to promote more business.

This brings us to where we are today. The ETF market has grown to become a major force in all major equity markets around the world, with steadily expanding volumes. The lionโ€™s share of the business is concentrated in a relatively small number of major index ETFs, but new entries appear regularly. Each of the new products is trying to reach critical mass that will support the operations of the ETF and the trading opportunities of the associated authorized participants. Few people know before the fact which of the new products will become blockbusters, or in fact have any success at all. But the economics of the marketplace are such that there are many incentives to continue to create new products. Fortunately for investors the benefits of ETFs are attractive enough to justify the different layers of modest cost. It is debatable whether anyone really needs equity ETFs given the vast array of other alternatives available, but it seems without question that they are a product that is here to stay


Page 388-389, from this book: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=103481709

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Sell put options will get premium immediately ot after expirtion? Thanks. sifu
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post Apr 4 2022, 07:10 AM

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QUOTE(nicholaswkc @ Apr 4 2022, 06:00 AM)
Sell put options will get premium immediately ot after expirtion? Thanks. sifu
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immediately

expiration date you find out rekt or not wink.gif

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post Apr 4 2022, 07:13 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 4 2022, 07:10 AM)
immediately

expiration date you find out rekt or not wink.gif
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 4 2022, 07:10 AM)
immediately

expiration date you find out rekt or not wink.gif
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What u mean? If ew get premium immediately, so we must buy back the options right before expiry date.

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QUOTE(nicholaswkc @ Apr 4 2022, 07:48 AM)
What u mean? If ew get premium immediately, so we must buy back the options right before expiry date.
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if still holding... if closed obviously no longer concern

if out of money you let it expires worthless
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post Apr 4 2022, 01:23 PM

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Is it easy to open an IBKR account?

And what documents do they need? Can i use my IC for it?
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post Apr 4 2022, 04:22 PM

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Is it easy to open an IBKR account?

And what documents do they need? Can i use my IC for it?
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How options compare IB with Thinkorswim in terms of user friendly?

I find TD ameritrade is easy. What do you think?
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post Apr 5 2022, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(nicholaswkc @ Apr 5 2022, 08:06 PM)
How options compare IB with Thinkorswim in terms of user friendly?

I find TD ameritrade is easy. What do you think?
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Depends on what you want.
IB have cheapest margin rate and best Forex rates.
There's commission involve for options trading from IB side.
TD trading commission for options is usually cheaper at usd0.70 Vs IB which can goes up to USD1.50 but lousy margin rate and Forex rates not as good as IB.

If you are based in US/or earning USD, no brainer to use TD.

Copied from IBSG telegram chat where someone asked the same question.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 5 2022, 08:47 PM)
Depends on what you want.
IB have cheapest margin rate and best Forex rates.
There's commission involve for options trading from IB side.
TD trading commission for options is usually cheaper at usd0.70 Vs IB which can goes up to USD1.50 but lousy margin rate and Forex rates not as good as IB.

If you are based in US/or earning USD, no brainer to use TD.

Copied from IBSG telegram chat where someone asked the same question.
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What is margin rate and forex rates?
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QUOTE(nicholaswkc @ Apr 6 2022, 10:11 AM)
What is margin rate and forex rates?
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Ibkr rates
1.83%-1.08%p.a unless you are a whale.
https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/tradi...argin-rates.php

TD SG rates
9.75%-7.75%p.a
https://www.tdameritrade.com.sg/why-td-amer...de/pricing.html

For forrx rate, can't find it but IBKR is spot rate (real time market rates without any markup)
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 6 2022, 02:50 PM)
Ibkr rates
1.83%-1.08%p.a unless you are a whale.


TD SG rates
9.75%-7.75%p.a


For forrx rate, can't find it but IBKR is spot rate (real time market rates without any markup)
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post Apr 6 2022, 06:21 PM

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Well just when gonna have fund to invest soon. USD forex rate increased...๐Ÿ˜ญ

Hopefully drop during the transfer time. ๐Ÿ˜†

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post Apr 7 2022, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Apr 6 2022, 06:21 PM)
Well just when gonna have fund to invest soon. USD forex rate increased...๐Ÿ˜ญ

Hopefully drop during the transfer time. ๐Ÿ˜†
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I hope the opposite... laugh.gif

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post Apr 7 2022, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Apr 6 2022, 06:21 PM)
Well just when gonna have fund to invest soon. USD forex rate increased...๐Ÿ˜ญ

Hopefully drop during the transfer time. ๐Ÿ˜†
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now you know how weak is our MYR... better to invest in countries with strong currency.
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post Apr 7 2022, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(nicholaswkc @ Apr 4 2022, 07:48 AM)
What u mean? If ew get premium immediately, so we must buy back the options right before expiry date.
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depends on what you want to do. if you want to own the stocks via cash-covered puts strategy, just keep it until it gets physically converted to shares (obviously have to be in-the-money or near-the-money)

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