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In the context of the 4 Gospels and ACTS in the New Testament, Jesus Christ was preaching to His fellow Jews who had been keeping God's Law or Moses Law for about 1,500 years, ie since the days of Moses at about 1500 BC. So, the Jews and apostles understood very well what Jesus Christ meant when He referred to the Law and the Prophets, eg that He did not come down to earth to destroy the Law but to fulfil it or LUKE.16:16, MATT.7:12 & 19:16-22 & 22:37-40. Similarly for the various apostolic epistles or letters in the NT, eg when Paul mentioned the Law.
....... IOW, the Law and the Prophets in the NT gospels plainly referred to the Old Testament, ie from GENESIS to MALACHI.

uw is publicly confessing that nobody, including mature Christians, can actually keep the Law, which may be a false statement because even Jews and Greeks/Gentiles could keep the Law, either knowingly or unknowingly - MATT.19:20, ROMANS.2:14 = not commit willful or intentional sins/law-breaking/evil-deeds/unrighteousness. Other Christians may interpret uw's statement as it is OK for them to commit willful or intentional sins/law-breaking/evil-deeds/unrighteousness and still be saved from hell by faith since nobody can actually keep the Law. = as if faith has given them the license-to-sin = to even commit intentional sins/law-breaking/evil-deeds/unrighteousness with full assurance of forgiveness and salvation.

But if uw actually meant nobody can actually not commit involuntary or unintentional sins-in-thoughts occasionally and/or nobody can actually not commit unintentional sins once-in-awhile, then that is OK.
....... IOW, uw needs to elaborate on what he actually meant by "nobody can actually keep the Law", in order to clear up mis-teachings or misunderstanding.

LUKE.16:19-31 says that the rich young Jewish man died and was sent to Hades for not keeping the Law at DEUT.15:11, ie by intentionally not doing charity to the poor every Sabbath year. Beggar Lazarus died and was sent to heaven for keeping the Law, ie he did not commit intentional or willful sins/law-breaking, like stealing. Lazarus might have committed unintentional sins but these were forgivable by animal blood sacrifice = no curse/punishment from God or His agents. See also 1PETER.3:19 & 4:6, MATT.17:3 & 27:52.
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What you term as salvific faith, we Catholics call it justification,. Why the difference I have no idea though, perhaps extreme antinomianism in play. Penance etc after repentance is actually Biblical, in fact penance and repentance are quite synonymous in the Bible:

Matthew 4:17 - From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say: Do penance, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 11:20 - Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein were done the most of his miracles, for that they had not done penance.
Matthew 11:21 - Woe to thee, Corozain, woe to thee, Bethsaida: for if in Tyre and Sidon had been wrought the miracles that have been wrought in you, they had long ago done penance in sackcloth and ashes.
Matthew 12:41 - The men of Ninive shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they did penance at the preaching of Jonas. And behold a greater than Jonas here.

Luke 3:8 - Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of penance; and do not begin to say, We have Abraham for our father. For I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham.
Luke 5:32 - I came not to call the just, but sinners to penance.
Luke 10:13 - Woe to thee, Corozain, woe to thee, Bethsaida. For if in Tyre and Sidon had been wrought the mighty works that have been wrought in you, they would have done penance long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.
Luke 11:32 - The men of Ninive shall rise in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it; because they did penance at the preaching of Jonas; and behold more than Jonas here.
Luke 13:3 - No, I say to you: but unless you shall do penance, you shall all likewise perish.
Luke 13:5 - No, I say to you; but except you do penance, you shall all likewise perish.
Luke 15:7 - I say to you, that even so there shall be joy in heaven upon one sinner that doth penance, more than upon ninety-nine just who need not penance.
Luke 15:10 - So I say to you, there shall be joy before the angels of God upon one sinner doing penance.
Luke 16:30 - But he said: No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will do penance.
Luke 3:8-11 - Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of penance; and do not begin to say, We have Abraham for our father. For I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham. 9 For now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down and cast into the fire. 10 And the people asked him, saying: What then shall we do? 11 And he answering, said to them: He that hath two coats, let him give to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do in like manner.
Luke 17:3 - Take heed to yourselves. If thy brother sin against thee, reprove him: and if he do penance, forgive him.
Luke 24:47 - And that penance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, unto all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Rev 2:4-5 -  But I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first charity. 5 Be mindful therefore from whence thou art fallen: and do penance, and do the first works. Or else I come to thee, and will move thy candlestick out of its place, except thou do penance.

Of course I realize some of you here thinks that penance is a dirty word in Christianity, something peculiar only to Catholics, and all that is needed was a genuine sense of sorrow for sin. Some even say that sorrow for sin was not needed. They claimed that repentance merely meant that you intellectually changed the way you thought from that moment forwards without any reference to past actions. I won't get into that debate here as I realize there are a multitude of denominations here having different ideas/teachings about that.

Erm....Do you understand Greek word for repentance? Do you know what is metanoia?

The words used is not really penance.

Only if you think repentance is an intellectual state of mind at that point of time not to sin anymore. However, how do you square that with "bring forth fruit worthy of repentance" since you don't like the word penance?

If one has stolen an amount of money, repentance does not just mean he/she won't steal again, but also to restitute/return the amount stolen.

I did answer you.

The dispensation was given in that period, it is to understand how God treats his people. Yes the Israel travelling  from Egypt to Sinai. None of them died during that period. You seem to want to ignore this. Go ahead and study this.
After the Law was given by Moses that is the age of the Old Covenant..ie Covenant of God's Law. When Jesus came, He ushered in Grace.

As I've repeated so many times. Only Jesus could fufill the Law, that is why the Law was waiting for Him. That why Christ said, He did not come to destroy the Law. If anyone could fufilled it, Jesus need not die on the cross. Jesus need not come and there is no need to call Him Saviour, think about this. But once Christ has fufilled the Law, the Law's custody on us believer is broken. (Galatians 3:25) (Romans 7:6)

And Jesus unleash that Law for unbelievers (Verse 19), why? As I've said it is design to bring Man to the end of himself. You lump this law requirement for the believer is not correct, it's an error.

But for the Believers we are no longer under the Law. It's back by scripture verse all over the place.

Yes that's why Grace is actually called the Gospel.

The Law does trigger sin in us, it does not just define it. (Romans 7:8)  I've given you those 3 scriptures, if you keep ignoring it, then forget it, that is up to you but it's there.

I think you have problem reading what I write. If that's the case, no wonder it's never ending between you and me.

26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the Lord's side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.
27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

I am no Lutheran, not subscribe to Reformist doctrines.

You mean the Lord will honour this type of Idolatry?

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
REPENT!

You have answered in half answers.

No one died before the giving of the Law?
You seem to pick and choose what you want to answer

What of Adam to Moses? Did they live and were justified by the LAW?  What happened to David? Did he live and justified  by the Law? 

Were the Israelites justified by the Law then?  

Hi...you are putting in somethings which i did not say again like the last time.
Did I say anyone can fulfil the Law? 

I am saying there is no Law vs Grace taught in scriptures. BUT its taught by YOU. A reformist fallacy.
Again, as you seem to be lacking in understanding of, Jesus is the personification of TRUTH and GRACE, which encompasses TORAH.

And you quoting Romans 7:8, ignored vs7. Does not define? 
Its because you have selective reading and which is delusive

And you seem to believe in a Chameleon god who changes His style as he pleases.

God is unchanging in HIS CHARACTER AND ATTRIBUTES. HE IS HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS FOREVER. The Law and grace exhibited defines this character unless your god changes at every whim and fancy.

Therefore, Grace is shown from Adam to present day, irrespective of the given Law

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In the context of the 4 Gospels and ACTS in the New Testament, Jesus Christ was preaching to His fellow Jews who had been keeping God's Law or Moses Law for about 1,500 years, ie since the days of Moses at about 1500 BC. So, the Jews and apostles understood very well what Jesus Christ meant when He referred to the Law and the Prophets, eg that He did not come down to earth to destroy the Law but to fulfil it or LUKE.16:16, MATT.7:12 & 19:16-22 & 22:37-40. Similarly for the various apostolic epistles or letters in the NT, eg when Paul mentioned the Law.
....... IOW, the Law and the Prophets in the NT gospels plainly referred to the Old Testament, ie from GENESIS to MALACHI.

uw is publicly confessing that nobody, including mature Christians, can actually keep the Law, which may be a false statement because even Jews and Greeks/Gentiles could keep the Law, either knowingly or unknowingly - MATT.19:20, ROMANS.2:14 = not commit willful or intentional sins/law-breaking/evil-deeds/unrighteousness. Other Christians may interpret uw's statement as it is OK for them to commit willful or intentional sins/law-breaking/evil-deeds/unrighteousness and still be saved from hell by faith since nobody can actually keep the Law. = as if faith has given them the license-to-sin = to even commit intentional sins/law-breaking/evil-deeds/unrighteousness with full assurance of forgiveness and salvation.

But if uw actually meant nobody can actually not commit involuntary or unintentional sins-in-thoughts occasionally and/or nobody can actually not commit unintentional sins once-in-awhile, then that is OK.
....... IOW, uw needs to elaborate on what he actually meant by "nobody can actually keep the Law", in order to clear up mis-teachings or misunderstanding.

LUKE.16:19-31 says that the rich young Jewish man died and was sent to Hades for not keeping the Law at DEUT.15:11, ie by intentionally not doing charity to the poor every Sabbath year. Beggar Lazarus died and was sent to heaven for keeping the Law, ie he did not commit intentional or willful sins/law-breaking, like stealing. Lazarus might have committed unintentional sins but these were forgivable by animal blood sacrifice = no curse/punishment from God or His agents. See also 1PETER.3:19 & 4:6, MATT.17:3 & 27:52.
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Ok then. I challenge you this. Since you think you can keep the Law

Have you actually gauge out of your eyes? (Matthew 5:29) Have you chop off your hand (Matthew 5:30)

Or you want to tell me, nobody can do that, Jesus is just speaking figuratively? Really?

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Because that statement of mine applies only to a non-believer coming into faith in Jesus Christ as a new born-again Christian, ie my statement does not apply to already-born-again believers, especially mature Christians like yourself, as per REV.22: 12-17, 1COR.6:9-11, GAL.5:19-21, HEB.10:26-31 & 6:1-8 = a mature Christian who continue unrepentantly to sin willfully/intentionally or practice lawlessness will suffer the earthly curses/punishments of God or His agents and will also not inherit the kingdom of God in heaven. It's the difference between the "before and after" coming into faith or becoming a Christian.
....... IOW, if you apply my statement above to already-born-again Christians, you are going into error or false teachings.

OTOH, even the worst sinners, like murderers(eg Paul), adulterers, robbers, prostitutes(eg Mary Magdalene), tax-collectors for the hated Romans, etc could be saved from hell by becoming a born-again Christian through new-found faith in Jesus Christ, as per 1COR.6:9-11. .......

1COR.6: =  9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
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REV.22: = Jesus Testifies to the Churches

12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.
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Actually what you say does not even make any sense.

A Mature Christian would be one who is spirtually matured in the Lord and one who understands what is sin
and why sin is wrong and thus with the spiritual maturity given or blessed would not want to sin.

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You should also challenged me, have you turned the other cheek.?, have you walked the extra mile.?, have you lent to all who asked.?, have you loved your enemies.?
= No, I have not foolishly gouged out my eyes or chopped off my hands, have not foolishly turned the other cheek, have not walked the extra mile, have not lent to all who asked or have not foolishly loved my enemies. Have you.?

Do you know why I have not.? = ....... https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4880254 - Protestant issue #03 - love your enemies.?

Also, God's Law or Moses Law in the OT does not have "You shall gouge out your eyes" and "You shall chop off your hands." Has God added new laws to His Law or Moses Law as found in the OT.?

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FYI, today we have false pastors/prophets/teachers professing false beliefs and false teachings among the Churches, eg Prosperity Gospel, Hypergrace, LBGTQism in the Church(eg gay pastors/bishops), OSAS(.?), Antinominianism, etc. Some of them have been caught committing CBT and sexual immorality like adultery, fornication, homosexuality, etc. During the Protestant Reformation, we had corrupt Catholic Popes = Bishop of Rome.

As per MATT.7:15-23, only their bad or evil fruits/works of lawlessness could be used by sincere Christians to identify false prophets/pastors/teachers.
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Good day.
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It's Jesus own word

Matthew 28:18 (NIV) - Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Do you deny what Jesus says? The word ALL is there.

Yes you are swaying because you are contradicting the Bible, this is one of them.

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This is to show there is distinction. 3 persons of God. Yet 1 God.

The problem why you are unable to understand this is because you put God under limitation or it's impossible.

To me this is possible, just proves God is indeed God. It's the same mystery with "Eternal" very hard for the human mind to grasp this.

12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.

15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.

16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

18 O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

Jesus own word, read it.

Luke 24: 46-48 (NIV)

46 And He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and in His name repentance and forgiveness of sins will be proclaimed to all nations, beginning in Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things.

see thew word dead? and rise?

What you term as salvific faith, we Catholics call it justification,. Why the difference I have no idea though, perhaps extreme antinomianism in play. Penance etc after repentance is actually Biblical, in fact penance and repentance are quite synonymous in the Bible:

Matthew 4:17 - From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say: Do penance, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 11:20 - Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein were done the most of his miracles, for that they had not done penance.
Matthew 11:21 - Woe to thee, Corozain, woe to thee, Bethsaida: for if in Tyre and Sidon had been wrought the miracles that have been wrought in you, they had long ago done penance in sackcloth and ashes.
Matthew 12:41 - The men of Ninive shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they did penance at the preaching of Jonas. And behold a greater than Jonas here.

Luke 3:8 - Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of penance; and do not begin to say, We have Abraham for our father. For I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham.
Luke 5:32 - I came not to call the just, but sinners to penance.
Luke 10:13 - Woe to thee, Corozain, woe to thee, Bethsaida. For if in Tyre and Sidon had been wrought the mighty works that have been wrought in you, they would have done penance long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.
Luke 11:32 - The men of Ninive shall rise in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it; because they did penance at the preaching of Jonas; and behold more than Jonas here.
Luke 13:3 - No, I say to you: but unless you shall do penance, you shall all likewise perish.
Luke 13:5 - No, I say to you; but except you do penance, you shall all likewise perish.
Luke 15:7 - I say to you, that even so there shall be joy in heaven upon one sinner that doth penance, more than upon ninety-nine just who need not penance.
Luke 15:10 - So I say to you, there shall be joy before the angels of God upon one sinner doing penance.
Luke 16:30 - But he said: No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will do penance.
Luke 3:8-11 - Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of penance; and do not begin to say, We have Abraham for our father. For I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham. 9 For now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down and cast into the fire. 10 And the people asked him, saying: What then shall we do? 11 And he answering, said to them: He that hath two coats, let him give to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do in like manner.
Luke 17:3 - Take heed to yourselves. If thy brother sin against thee, reprove him: and if he do penance, forgive him.
Luke 24:47 - And that penance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, unto all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Rev 2:4-5 -  But I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first charity. 5 Be mindful therefore from whence thou art fallen: and do penance, and do the first works. Or else I come to thee, and will move thy candlestick out of its place, except thou do penance.

Of course I realize some of you here thinks that penance is a dirty word in Christianity, something peculiar only to Catholics, and all that is needed was a genuine sense of sorrow for sin. Some even say that sorrow for sin was not needed. They claimed that repentance merely meant that you intellectually changed the way you thought from that moment forwards without any reference to past actions. I won't get into that debate here as I realize there are a multitude of denominations here having different ideas/teachings about that.

But no one is claiming that. Righteousness and justification is related. Your position will make James contradict Paul. Grace is indeed given by God, totally unmerited by us, yet we must still cooperate.

Neither "faith alone" nor "grace alone" nor "works alone" are correct when it’s used to say that you don’t need to in any way to cooperate with God’s grace, that a merely intellectual faith would save you, nor accepting the initial grace given but not persevering, nor relying on works alone without faith. All three by themselves without the others are false.

"Faith alone" - dead
"Grace alone" - without cooperating on our part make us like robots.
"Works alone" - reminiscent of Pelagianism, relying purely on human nature for salvation.

Ok then. I challenge you this. Since you think you can keep the Law

Have you actually gauge out of your eyes? (Matthew 5:29) Have you chop off your hand (Matthew 5:30)

Or you want to tell me, nobody can do that, Jesus is just speaking figuratively? Really?

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You should also challenged me, have you turned the other cheek.?, have you walked the extra mile.?, have you lent to all who asked.?, have you loved your enemies.?
= No, I have not foolishly gouged out my eyes or chopped off my hands, have not foolishly turned the other cheek, have not walked the extra mile, have not lent to all who asked or have not foolishly loved my enemies. Have you.?

Do you know why I have not.? = ....... https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4880254 - Protestant issue #03 - love your enemies.?

Also, God's Law or Moses Law in the OT does not have "You shall gouge out your eyes" and "You shall chop off your hands." Has God added new laws to His Law or Moses Law as found in the OT.?

Good day.
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You're not answering my question.

Why haven't you? Jesus raised the Law didn't He?

It's there in Matthew 5

So again, why haven't you gauge out your eyes? or Chop off your hand if it causes you to stumble

Quite sure nobody is perfect would have commited some missing the mark as a "matured" Christian.

Don't evade this question.

I've given you my answer, I'll be the 1st to tell you nobody could keep the law to be justified, myself included.

That means jesus is not god as he is not immortal.