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prophetjul
post Oct 10 2019, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(NicoRobinz @ Oct 9 2019, 05:42 PM)
Have you ever wondered why did God make the Bible in such difficult to understand and ambiguous?
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No. He did not.

It only seems ambiguous because He had it written in Hebrew and we are now reading it in mostly English. There is no direct translation of languages in its perfect context and intentions.

Therefore, study and prove yourself to be a good workman.
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post Oct 10 2019, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Oct 10 2019, 04:11 PM)
Hebrew for the Old Testament, Greek for the New Testament. Even if the Bible remained only in those languages, there is bound to be different interpretations by different people reading it.
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Originally in Hebrew even for the NT. Or at least the gospels.

There you go. WE wear Greek mindset to interpretation nowadays. Very different from Hebrew

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post Oct 10 2019, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Oct 10 2019, 04:14 PM)
Most biblical scholars adhere to the view that the Greek text of the New Testament is the original version.[10] However, there does exist an alternative view which maintains that it is a translation from an Aramaic original, a position known as Peshitta Primacy (also known in primarily non-scholarly circles as "Aramaic primacy"). Although this view has its adherents, the vast majority of scholars dispute this position citing linguistic, historical, and textual inconsistencies.[11] At any rate, since most of the texts are written by diaspora Jews such as Paul the Apostle and his possibly Gentile companion, Luke, and to a large extent addressed directly to Christian communities in Greek-speaking cities (often communities consisting largely of Paul's converts, which appear to have been non-Jewish in the majority), and since the style of their Greek is impeccable,[12] a Greek original is more probable than a translation.
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You have a tendency to cut and paste without links! biggrin.gif

No. Nowadays we have Hebrew scholars who look at the sentence syntax and idioms, etc in the gospels, and some of them do not make any sense in Greek.
However when they are translated back into Hebrew, it all makes sense.

What's an 'evil eye' in Greek? Nothing.
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post Oct 11 2019, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Oct 10 2019, 05:15 PM)
But which book? Certainly not all the books?
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I mentioned above.....at least the gospels were written originally in Hebrew.
Epistles, not so sure.

Certainly not written in Latin! biggrin.gif
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post Oct 11 2019, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Oct 11 2019, 10:02 AM)
Well, all the apostles are jews so it is obvious that gonna be in hebrew
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yeah. So was the Lord Jesus. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 19 2019, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(yaokb @ Sep 30 2019, 08:42 PM)
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Jesus told him, “Go and [SIZE=14]do[SIZE=14] likewise.”
If you do not know, Jews and Samaritans have no dealings with one another because they are traditionally enemies.
Jesus purposely used a Samaritan as the good guy compared to the Priest and the Levite who left the injured Jew by the roadside. The Priests were like the pastors of the day and the Levites like the church workers.

What do you think Jesus was trying to convey?
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Interesting.

Therefore

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.


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post Oct 21 2019, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Oct 19 2019, 10:15 PM)
Yes we can biggrin.gif. We can answer this in 2 ways:

First way

First, salvation is not merely regeneration. It encompasses our entire Christian life from regeneration to glorification.

According to the Scriptures, there are three aspects of justification. We can cover 2 for this post. The first aspect is before God, which we obtained when we believe. In other words, once we are saved, we are justified, or we may say that once we are justified, we are saved, since God’s salvation includes justification. A justified person is a saved person (Rom 3:24, Gal. 2:16; Rom. 3:20 etc).

Second aspect of justification, the Bible shows that the second aspect of justification is before men - after salvation. We obtain this gradually after we are saved.

1. “A man is justified by works” (James 2:24).

When we were saved, the justification we obtained before God was by faith and had nothing to do with works. But after we are saved, our justification before men is by works, not by faith. Faith caused us to be justified by God at the time of our salvation; works cause us to be justified by men after our salvation.

2. “Let your light shine before men, so that they may see your good works” (Matt. 5:16).
3. “We exercise foresight for what is honorable not only in the sight of the Lord but also in the sight of men” (2 Cor. 8:21).
We should exercise foresight for what is honorable in the sight of men in order to match our justified status. Otherwise, even though we may be justified before God, we will not appear to be justified before men.

4. “He who serves Christ in this is well pleasing to God and approved by men” (Rom. 14:18).

Second way

Not so recent Finnish scholarship on Luther's writing -> Christ is present in faith.

Justification by faith is not merely forensic but involving a union of the divine life. It is not something that we are convinced of in our mind; it is something that we receive when we are joined to the Lord as one spirit (1 Cor. 6:17). When the living Christ indwells us, His faith becomes our faith. We believe because He is faithful, and He cannot deny Himself in us (2 Tim. 2:13). In our organic union with Him, His faith becomes our faith, and our faith is His faith.

The Christ who is preached to us is infused into us through the word of the gospel. Rather it is the apprehended reality of what is preached; Faith comes from hearing the word of Christ, and this word is not simply about Christ but that which bears Christ into us. The ability to believe that is infused into us (work) is actually Christ as our faith.

This faith is the faith of Jesus Christ in us, which has become the faith by which we believe in Him, as in Rom 3:22, 26; Gal. 2:16, 20; 3:22; Eph. 3:12; and Phil. 3:9. This can only be understood in the union of Christ as faith. It is He who justifies but the abitily to believe out of free will is an operation of his Person as faith infused into us. And tis is faith is in us that God justifies us.

It is a mystery. The twofoldness can only be experienced in the mysterious union with Christ in the Spirit.
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Part 1 is just a great write up.
Faith demands Action/works. That is the Jewish way. Its not NATO. They walk the talk(Faith) in life.

Part 2 sounds dodgy in that it looks new age. Although Paul uses the union of Christ and the church as the great mystery, its not the infusion of Christ in us, but rather its the allusion of the union of a man and woman in marriage covenant as one or echad.
Its also the eschatological aspect of the ancient Jewish marriage procedure which is specially highlighted in Jesus and the church in the future.

Luther's Sola Fide is a pure human reaction to the heresies of the RCC, nothing scriptural.


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post Oct 21 2019, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Oct 21 2019, 02:12 PM)
That would also mean you are saying Luther is a heretic, right?
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Heretic is extreme. Spur of the moment.

I would say RCC is more heretical than Luther.
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post Oct 21 2019, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Oct 21 2019, 02:35 PM)
LOL, whatever makes you happy, prophet.
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Whatever is truthful.

And that is Truth. RCC's practices smacks of heretical practices forbidden by God to Israel.
Yet they teach their people such rebellious practices.

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post Oct 25 2019, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(Alan K. @ Oct 23 2019, 12:24 AM)
"Whoever believes in Me, as the Scripture has said: ‘Streams of living water will flow from within him.’

We serve a great God. We serve a great, great, great, great, God.

It's my privilege to follow Jesus Christ.
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Jesus was making a reference to this in the Tanakh

Is 12:3

Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.
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post Oct 30 2019, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(Crossbite @ Oct 28 2019, 11:13 AM)
If God calls us to not worry or be anxious (Matthew 6:25-34, Philippians 4:6-7), do you all think worry is a sin? I wrote an interesting article on this topic recently.

https://www.christianityunfiltered.com/is-worrying-a-sin/
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A Christian blog that challenges traditional church teachings


i like this. thumbsup.gif

The RCC has managed to transfer many of their pagan and ungodly traditions into the Christian world, neglecting the instructions of God.
Through the millennium, lies have become Truths in the churches through the practices and repetitive traditions, which the churches have taken for granted.

The biggest error was the anti Jewish bias of the church through out the ages, reinforced by Luther who was seen and still is a hero amongst reformists.

Without the Jewish foundations of understanding, pretty much anything goes.

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post Nov 6 2019, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Nov 6 2019, 01:25 PM)
False. They undertake the vow of chastity voluntarily.
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The Code of Canon Law reflects these three “significances” in Canon 277, which mandates clerical celibacy:  “Clerics are obliged to observe perfect and perpetual continence for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven and therefore are obliged to observe celibacy, which is a special gift of God, by which sacred ministers can adhere more easily to Christ with an undivided heart and can more freely dedicate themselves to the service of God and mankind.”


http://catholicstraightanswers.com/why-doe...ts-be-celibate/

Man made rules results in disasters.
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Nov 6 2019, 02:10 PM)
So rebut your man made rules.
Which is directly against what Paul instructed.
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Nov 6 2019, 02:13 PM)
Celibacy bears no causal relation to any type of deviant sexual addiction including pedophilia. In fact, married men are just as likely as celibate priests to sexually abuse children (Jenkins, Priests and Pedophilia). In the general population, the majority of abusers are regressed heterosexual men who sexually abuse girls. Women are also found to be among those sexual abusers. While it's difficult to obtain accurate statistics on childhood sexual abuse, the characteristic patterns of repeat child sex offenders have been well described. The profiles of child molesters never include normal adults who become erotically attracted to children as a result of abstinence (Fred Berlin, "Compulsive Sexual Behaviors" in Addiction and Compulsive Behaviors [Boston: NCBC, 1998]; Patrick J. Carnes, "Sexual Compulsion: Challenge for Church Leaders" in Addiction and Compulsion; Dale O'Leary, "Homosexuality and Abuse").
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Sexual abuse aside, is the priesthood celibacy a man made order? YES.

In direct disobedience to what Paul ordered

his is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
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post Mar 22 2020, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(aral3005 @ Mar 21 2020, 01:49 AM)
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But according to ur understanding, did the god died on the cross?
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god may have died. But GOD did not die on the cross. Jesus the man died on the cross and shed His blood as a sacrfice for the atonement of sins of mankind.
Then He rose on the Sabbath 3 days later to DEMONSTRATE that He had the authority over life and death.
Believe in His work.
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post Mar 24 2020, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(aral3005 @ Mar 24 2020, 12:00 AM)
So u agree god died on the cross?
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Read properly. cool2.gif
Your little god died. My God Almighty has no beginning and no end. To die is human. To shed blood is human.


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QUOTE(aral3005 @ Mar 24 2020, 12:18 AM)
If 'the lord' here refer to jesus, then jesus himslef said this in luke 18:19
“Why do you call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone

One thing i cant understand is, do the christian follower read the bible before believing, or speak or giving statement?cz mostly the bible itself that contradict their understanding.

Bro, the trinity/triune is already an extrabiblical concept/doctrine as u can found in christian history
Hi. Have you heard of Jewish style of discourse? Its answering a question with a question.
In fact, Jesus was indicating that the ruler was right. He was right to call him God.
Please do not read everything in Hellenistic English understanding. The scriptures were written with a Jewish culture with lots of Hebraism and idioms.

The triune compositon of God is already found in the old testament. Lots of it. IF you seek to understand it in the Hebrew context.
Also, the multipilicity of the God found in the old testament has always astonished Jewish teachers.

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post Mar 26 2020, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 26 2020, 09:31 AM)
This virus is a world pandemic. For something this disastrous, can only mean the devil is usually behind it.

I can't remember if the last pandemic in history was this bad...meaning it affected worldwide lives and in turn effects trading.

I don't remember.
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Not everything seemingly bad is from the devil.

It may be judgement from the Lord. Looking at the world and even so called Christian churches, holiness and righteousness has gone out of the window.
Its a wake up call to all of us, Christian groups included.
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QUOTE(aral3005 @ Mar 26 2020, 04:24 PM)
Why u called jesus as 'little god'.

Yes, it's written in jewish culture/language, as i try to state that 'son of god' does not mean literally the god have son, or daughter, it's an expression of a believer.

The surely u can show me where the god manifest as 1 person/being from the scripture?
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I did not. You did. I called Him the Almighty God.
Exactly. Son of God is to show the relationship between the two persons as you would understand a human father and son relationshsip.
Its nothing biological.

God is 3 persons but one entity. The Hebrew word for the oneness in Hebrew is echad. Echad is a compound unity, meaning more than one.
Its also used to describe the marriage where the man and woman become one(echad).
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QUOTE(pehkay @ Mar 26 2020, 04:41 PM)
smile.gif  True, it can be always two-sided .... The Greek word is the same for both temptation and test. With God it is a test; with the enemy it is a temptation. When we pass through the temptation of the enemy, we pass through the test of God to be approved by God ...
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In fact, God has many times, God has caused judgement on the world, including the 7 churches mentioned in Revelation. Some of these may not pass the test of the judgements.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 27 2020, 10:05 PM)
It is something I do not agree.

I believe....Now we are in the period of God's Grace. God's judgement will come but under the dispensation of Grace, I believe God is reserving his judgement.

This can be seen when Jesus read Isaiah. (Luke 4:16-19)

Jesus stops at "to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor". Think about it. He could have continue but He did not.

But if you continue reading Isaiah 61, it continue saying "and the day of our God’s vengeance"

With that being said, it doesn't mean there is no disipline or correction from our Heavenly Father.

It's not the same thing though IMO.
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You believe in dispensation of grace. I don't.

Grace has been in operation forever, including the times of the patriachs. However, God's nature of holiness does not change. Grace does not mean anything goes. Grace without holiness/righteousness results in lawlessness. There is always a tension between God's grace/love and His holiness. Therefore you will see God dishing out judgement or discipline now and then. However His final judgement will come later. That's what you are referring to. The judgement day. Rev 20


Psalms 96
3 Let all creation rejoice before the LORD, for he comes, he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world in righteousness and the peoples in his faithfulness.

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