I don't get your second question. What is the relationship between reading bible and being Calvinist?

Of the Baptist flavour, I guess.

Why don't you ask there is a reformation. Rc and protestant view of the doctrine is different. Eg. we don't pray to the St, we don't have pope etc..

When we discuss other non baptisms doctrine you will say I'm of Presbyterian.

Of course I know that. One thing at a time. The topic at hand now are the 10 Commandments.

Because only Baptists or their variants insists on adult baptism only and not infant baptism, which other protestant groups accept.

No it doesn't, you insist on looking to the 10 commandments and yet what you posted.

The former law = not giving graces of itself to fulfil those precepts, occasioned death.

Why do still look to the law? That is my question.

There is no grace there and it's not occasion death my friend, it is a MINISTRY OF DEATH.

Do you understand the meaning of death here?

Yes Christ brought the law higher in book of Matthew. If nobody could really fulfill the OT law, what makes you think you're able to fulfill this higher law in OT?

Do you understand Romans 5:20?

Romans 5:20 (KV) -
Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,

Why do you want to keep looking to the OT law that was design to increase offense?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 9 2019, 03:13 PM

No, that is not right, the full context = Fight the good fight of "FAITH".

Meaning keep on believing in what Christ did. That is the meaning of Christ saving us.

You are in essence purporting, one has to keep fighting to save himself.

It's either you save yourself or Christ save you, the title savior can only be on either one.

Not unless you're implying you and Christ are conferred the title of savior of man.

No right?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 9 2019, 03:19 PM

What a perverse misinterpretation of St Paul that you have! Are you saying God is the cause of sin?

Not that the law was designed for that end; but the word that, as in many other places, so here expresses only the consequence that followed, when sinners occasionally became more guilty by the knowledge of the law, and the precepts given. Not as if the law were given purposely for sin to abound (that itself is a blasphemy against God the source of all goodness); but that it so happened, through man's perversity, taking occasion of sinning more, from the prohibition of sin. St Paul does not say that grace abounded in every place where iniquity had abounded; but he says indefinitely where, that is, in many places where sin abounded, grace hath abounded also.

If you read what was written above, Scripture has answered you. "I can do all these things in him who strengtheneth me".

Erm, that is not what the scripture says.

It didn't say the sinner becomes more guilty, it says the the law entered in that the offense might abound.

Read it properly.

That is erroneous. Christ is the saviour, and He grants us the initial grace, but subsequently we still have to cooperate. If it's only the mental assent of believing, even the demons believe.

If that's the case you are following Calvin's idea of predestination, without any cooperation from mankind.

That's what happens when one relies on one's own judgement and interpretation of Scripture, sola scriptura, each person interpreting Scripture to their own destruction. Again, if I follow your reasoning, other parts of Scripture will be contradicted.

Where do you bank your hope in?

In Christ or in yourself? Or in both?

In Christ of course. I'm still waiting to see how you harmonize your interpretations with the other verses.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Oct 9 2019, 03:40 PM

It's not my reasoning, it is scripture


New King James Version
Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,


It didn't say sinner is more aware of his sin. The word sinner is not there. but the word offense or transgress is there.

And you can tell me about own judgement and own interpretation of scripture? it's on you bro.

To offend or to transgress is the same meaning as to sin. What are you trying to say?

One is not culpable of sin if one is ignorant of the law.

Again, I'm still waiting.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Oct 9 2019, 03:44 PM

You supposedly write an entire post on insurance yet never mentioned anything about insurance but make a lot of assumptions on people who denounce insurance. Why dun you concentrate on the points that anti insurance people make instead of just making assumptions.

First of all, the Bible never ever mention anything about insurance or even the concept of insurance. In fact, the Bible never even said that one should take care of the family needs after that person passed away especially if that person is a Christian. That duty belongs to God Himself. You see, if God decides the time to take someone away, dun you think it's Gods responsibility to ensure that that person's business is being taken care of. You see, for all your talk about faith. Well, if say I am really a child of God, shouldn't one have faith that God will only take me away at an opportune time whereby my death will not be a burden upon my family and that God will take care of my family after that. After all, the Bible verse 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Only unbelievers get so "worried" that they can die anytime and become a burden to their left behind family. If one really have faith, they understand that God has everything planned out, even their very death and that He already has everything taken care of. Including taking care of their family after he dies.

However the Bible does speak about inheritance which is something that can be provided to the family once that person leaves.
22 A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children: and the wealth of the sinner is laid up for the just.
But then if you spend a good portion of your income on insurance, how much money do you have for your inheritance. Most people who buys life insurance probably spends 10-20 percent of their income on insurance. So how much of their money do they have left to give to their immediate family? And the funny thing is, the insurance money is never even guaranteed. There is a time period whereby the insurance company has to investigate a person's death to ensure that it's consistent with the terms and conditions of the policy and if they find any inconsistencies, the policy is voided immediately. You see, for all of the marketing that they give, insurance companies are not there to help you. There is always terms and conditions inside which can prevent the insurance companies from paying out. And they will scrutinized those terms and policy very carefully to find out ways of not paying out to you. So in the end you do not have any inheritance money and insurance money left.

Of course verses pertaining to stewardship like Matthew 25:14-29.


In fact, the Bible actually indirectly speaks against insurance. Imagine if say Job has insurance. The book of Job would not have existed in the first place. God would not have been able to bless Job if say Job bought insurance because the insurance would have "protected" Job against the tragedies and his faith would not have been tested.

Your "practical" application of faith is not biblical faith. It's just another way of saying that you will do your best and anything that God "blesses" me with after that is just a bonus. You do not have to be a "Christian" to have this kind of thinking. Everyone thinks like that all the time. But then says a lot about you. Maybe you should find other religions that do not really love quoting verses.

Also another note. Most of those financial institutions actually lies a lot and are unscrupulous. They often show only 1 side of a financial product but then hide the other sides through terms and conditions which most normal people would not understand. More often then not, when disaster happens and people who buys those products suddenly suffered huge loses even though those terms and conditions were not highlighted to them, those financial institution will always leave those people dry. Buying insurance is also putting your support towards those organization. Of course as indicated above, insurance contracts are similar. Once the insurance company find any "abnormalities", your entire policy may get voided. Of course those things never get highlighted because somehow, media never reports them.

Buying insurance is an acknowledgement of their evil deads and is definitely not how God intends for us to manage our resources
Romans 1:32
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

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Wow, so we have a new group of protestants that are anti-insurance. Interesting.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Oct 9 2019, 03:52 PM

You say in Christ of course but you use the phrase initial grace meaning Christ only give you starting grace, after that it's all on your own. Where is the hope after that? Seems to be geared towards ownself rather than on Christ.