i heard from a mechanic that an older 90's car is more maintenance free from trouble than a proton... and he says that proton cars visit the workshop most often

not really....campro engine quite reliable. proton's quite good except for their customer service and QC.

pls dont share the power window problem... lets talk about other problems... like rattling sounds... or the parts loose

fren's saga aircond died when he got his car 1st day.
Maybe he is just unlucky but gave me a quite bad image.
but shouldnt burn down whole forest just because of a tree
newer and higher end model will be better i guess..

My old 91' Saga is still running great. Over 500,000KM done already, and not much of a problem. Obviously there are parts that need replacement, but fr the engine, not much.

Guess what, my fuel and tempreture gauge and the whole meter still works fine, unlike the newer iswara/wira which kongs out not even with one year of usage.

yeap..even tho i'm a bit fcuk proton..but somehow i'm quite interested with campro engine..gen2(exterior design only)..neo. but apparently the qc and interior built quality a bit sad.

im driving a savvy for almost 2 years... no more oso... ^^
i guess it depends on the luck of the driver getting a good car... but that's not the way to go for Proton... ^^

old school cars that runs on carbureted engines without messy electronics stuff are easier to maintain....

i dunno ar.
my family owned this waja since 2 years ago.
b4 tht i read forums and evrybody said is a bad car with wajachestra, power window problem, low power, easily spoilt and etc etc.

but so far after 2 years(53000+km) on the road, there is no problem at all!!

-my windows working fine
-no wajachestra except a bit loud tyre noise
-dun find it low power but acceptable
-very stable on the road

so far sooo good ! it until make me wonder those ppl tht said bad things about proton cars is really own a proton car b4 or other cars companies in msia pay ppl to 'fitnah' proton in forums after they know tht forums in this time of the age really powerful.

A collegue of mine has Waja and its less than 4 years old and his power window keeps malfunctioning after resending it to workshop afer workshop.
I went to service my car a few days back and he had 2 proton cars a Gen2 and Neo with ignition problems and also ECU problems. The guy who had NEO said the proton Service couldnt even solve the problem/. And these were units less than 2 years old.
If you have a good working proton car, GOOD FOR YOU, and thank your lucky stars you didnt get some malfunctioning unit like A LOT of unlucky fools I encounter.
So no bad-mouthing or fitnah, just by seeing and hear tragic stories related by the more unfortunate owners.
Every car manufacturer would assemble at least one faulty or sub-par unit among the thousands assembled. Even my friend had a VIOS with boot problems which was quickly sorted out. But in comparison to Proton, they(PROTON) create too many sub-par units compared with good ones. Which means their factory assembly line QC is useless. GOOD JOB PROTON!

This post has been edited by beatlesalbum: Jun 23 2007, 08:10 PM

My 2002 wira, power window kong last year. other than that only rattling dashboard. so far, the car not make my head pusing.

true.. most people bashing based on other comment
lets say mr. A having proton lemon car.. then he post on the net.. n all the reader spreading all the words as if they own the car..

Stories from forums are not to be trusted, get them from your foreman or maybe family members. But I believe a bulk or majority of people get their opinions directly from people who own the car rather like family members or even themselves.
But there will always be soldiers of proton to the defence of this brand.
Work hard proton soldiers! Hopefully next quarter, Proton will not be running at a loss profit like the last 3

Ever cross your mind the minority usually make the loudest noise?

My savvy from Dec 2005, relaibility is top notch....never fail to start the car many times from day 1 (5-8-10 times, said it many times), build quality, fit and finish ?!! no squeaks and rattles from the suspension and interior till now.

I can see many students from my ex school MMU melaka driving neo and savvy..they would be in deep shit if their cars give them problems.


The power window mechanism is damn noisy in operation due to scissor type mechanism being used...but more robust compare to plastic pulley and cables found in waja and gen2...so power windows probs is a thing of past.

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Added on June 23, 2007, 8:24 pmThank you, your kind words are noted

This post has been edited by hypermount: Jun 23 2007, 08:24 PM

two of my family cars are proton.a saga and a wira.both are carbie.most of the parts replace are cause by wear and tear like bushing,absorber and etc.FOR PARTS that are not up to quality standards are like the meter panel and power windows.Other are OK.Only the NVH is higher compared to other modern cars today.

absolut agree!

btw...GOTCHA ALL!

SOURCE?! SAUCE!!! WHERE UR SAUCE?... SHOW PICTURE OR SOME SAUCE B4 U MAKE A COMMENT

A family member owns a 1.6xli wira which gear box died in opration in its 5 year, windows have been dying before that. ANother owns a tiara whichs paint started eroding after a few years only. Quality is still the weakness. Only the newer cars show improvement. they have been around since 1985!!! why wait until now to buck up?

2001 waja...3 power window kondamn

but 1 thing abt power window, when it's close tight, plz ooo plz dun keep pushing that button to make sure it's tight, it wont get any tighter!! for waja, the whole machanism is plastic, so it cant last long, design problem i guest?

there is no sensor to stop the power to the motor when the window is close, it still keep pushing if u dun let go the button.

so u guys know y waja window always spoilt now?

anyway, wear n tear best change with orig parts, if u did change itlah that is.

As much as I want to be prosided, I am turthful as I owned these cars and will tell the probs

I give you 2 cases, you count how many cases:
1. Bought new Perdana (M) when first launched in 1995. Ordered in March, received car in July. That time colour one kind purple. No black. Only 3 colours I think. july 1995 - dec 2000
- from the showroom, the AC keeps coming out to the feet. No matter what setting you use the AC keeps coming out of the feet. Sent back to SC, SC cannot repair cause no manual from P1 to SC at that time. So this is the case like TVR, sell first worry about defects later.
-After 2 years, the metal joining of the front bumper directly below the front light will twist between joints. If it does not twist there will be a gaping hole. Don't believe me look at perdana's 3yrs or older. Sure have that thing. Bumper too heavy? The joining is a 1 inch verticle line.
- 5 years on, in east coast have monsoon season. Rain everyday. One day before work, notice back seat like damp. When sitting on the back seat the seat becomes wet. Open the back seat, full of water, open the boot at the spare tyre also full of water. Perdana transformed into portable aquarium. Brought to SC they were shocked. They say the water sap into the metal joint at the rear bumper, below the lights there is this one verticle line. Water goes in there.
- Final straw. Open AC the AC sound like elephant. On the fan also the car sounds like an elephant. Can only open AC after 30 mins then no sound. That time perdana like quite executive car, so why making elephant sound until car next to you can hear. So embarassed. Brought to SC, SC say small chip at AC fan, no need to change but where to put your face aa.
-Unfortunate events: One day late to work, wear shoes in car, found frog, frog evaded to the driver part then vanished from the foot pedals. Open AC, smells like dead carcass. Went to SC, SC say frog lekat at AC belt. So big the gap is it until from pedals>AC belt. 2 weeks charcoal in car.
Conclusion: sold bought Honda Accord 2.0l, which gave 1 prob after 5 years, AC switch not working, brought to Denso, they fixed it.

2. Savvy (M) July 05 - July 07
Great handling car, stupid noise damper. I drive fast but dont want concrete road sound to go into my cabin. Don't believe me go to savoc search what users do to insulate car. Use swimming paddle board at tyre mudguard area. Car handles good but what is the point if 90KM> wind resistance sound comes into the car, engine sound comes after that, then road noise. These noises actually makes me tired to drive the car. Problems all within 10K KM and under warranty
- Leaking power steering fluid from connection to pipe. The clip is the same clip used for your pipe hose. SC changed clip, changed hose and top up fluid.
-Broken right rear tyre spring/suspension or whatever it is that black rod attached to the tyre. New car broken, fluid coming out. Sc had to order it as they say AMT and M version have different suspension and cannot use the springs. Waited 2 weeks for that.
- Defective petrol cover. The petrol cover is round, so in theory when you open it, it will bounce out nicely. On my car, there is a problem with the hinge or something, after few months, the petrol cover will not spring out but will spring halfway and scrape the bodywork of the car. Brought to SC,SC repaired the hinge and painted the car again. Had to wait 1 week for paint to arrive from supplier.
- Front wiper washer fluid on one side loose, always want to turn to one direction, but that I corrected myself and so far no problem.
Aside from the weird problems I faced with savvy, there are no more probs. If you work inside p1, ask them to put more noise insulation especially the engine bay and the tyre arch area.
Conclusion: car sold, don't need it anymore.

But on a good note, I have been inside neo, and why neo came out late. I would have gone for that over savvy. That has better build quality than savvy.
So, I think its safe to buy new P1 cars, provided its a new model, and waja. I can name defects of the saga, but I only name defects of things I have.
Lets see how this thread turns out to be.

All I can say is depends on your luck... If you are lucky..then you can get a better quality control proton....hehe
Beside, compro engine is kinda reliable... that I dare to say..

my 1990 ex-saga was a fine example of a car in its golden years, rattling, repair bills amounting to RM300 every other month but I loved it. over 250000kms on the odometer so that was fine.

my dad's 2006 wira had a rattling odometer from the factory, squeaky rear seats when it turned 2 months old and minor reparable electrical problems here and there. one major one was that the brakepads died after 5 months down the road.

its ECU is acting up already - cold start problems and erratic idling even when the engine is warm. Proton's SC near him does not have the tools to diagnose the ECU and to fix it he has to either install a new ECU or go to Shah Alam to diagnose it. Damn lazy excuse i would say.

so far the power windows are fine because it's using the newer mechanism, but i feel that all those minor problems shouldn't be there right from the factory.

on the other hand, my fairly new kenari had only 2 problems with it - a slightly deformed windscreen and buzzing from one of the speakers which was rectified immediately at the dealership - through a 1-1 speaker swap.

proton with all its experience should have learnt instead of having substandard dealers mushrooming up all over the place. having said that, i like the Gen2 MME edition due to its build quality. too bad the gear knob has turned loose on my friend's car.

SIGH...this shows ur lack of understanding about cars...some people are car nuts..it was never enough for US so we tend to DIY ourcars to feel better.. TAKING OUT THE FENDER LINE( THE BLACK WHEEL ARCH COVER) TO INSERT sound proofinG materials is of STANDARD UNIVERSAL PRACTICE TO REDUCE THE ROAD NOISE...EVERYONES ESP THE ICE ENTHUSIASTS ARE DOING THAT.

savvy has soundproof mat on the outer firewall and under bonnet...no other k-car has that.

EVEN LEXUS OWNERS DIY TO SOUNDPROOF THEIR CARS
http://www.lexusownersclub.co.uk/forum/ind...showtopic=22197

It's all aboutpassion and knowing inside out of our cars..hey i doubt u own that savvy..it could be ur papa and mama.


You thin perdana worse of than this flooded corolla altis? you havw no serious problems about the savvy and you seems to whine a lot for such small problems.


flooded chorella altis




http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=462691&hl=

u think people will be willing to pay for a more expensive car just to get lesser problems later on?

This post has been edited by CoupeFan: Jun 23 2007, 10:49 PM

why cant proton design a car maybe 850cc but the design is like a replica of some sports car... who cares about performance in malaysia... everyone only care about exterior looks

but really..proton atleast use some durable quality stuff, and mine those QC

but i always believe all 1st batch cars got defect, be it design problem or QC problem, but some how proton tense to get it more due to QC

Not only his perdana..my 5 years old GTi oso like dat...

1.water in the spare part tyre there... but fixed it by sticking thicker rubber....n now my passenger side door..the rubber n getting loose..water come in too..gotta change it agen...
2.The RPM metter....Spoilt at 95,000km miledge..... Change it at RM200!!! WTF...
3.Many squeaky sounds from Everywhere...the most obvious part....dash board....everytime pass a bump...got this sound from dashboard:"nyiek nyiek"... feel like the dash board is going to break...
4.The aircon vent is spoilt...

Then 5 years old Iswara in my house...
1.wiper not functiong, wiring problem! -.-" It almost cause me in an accident in the rain....
2.squeaky sound everywhere...from front to back! absorber..no nid to say....many sound...
3.The door"s locker can't connect to other door...when i got into the driver seat...
nid to unlock the door one by one....n same...when i leave the car..nid to lock the door one by one...
4.Leak engine oil...

Then my bro's 10 years old Proton Putra
1.Aircon not fucntioning becoz of the switch is stuck inside...
2.Squeaky sound everywhere too...
3.Driver side power window...to open it...easy...to close it...nid to use hand to push it....

Then My fren's 3 years old wira:
1. Leak engine oil...

Then my fren's 13 years old wira:
1.Driver side window nid to close by hand pushing...
2.Aircon got elephant sound....radiator problem...
3.Aircon vent is spoilt...

That's all for now...

It seems dat every proton car around me oso got problem...is it?

for Wira,

if u own those wira made in 90's then it is quite reliable for the engine part, absorber and etc . but not so for the interior and some minor minor thing.

if made in 20's wira damn a lot of problem . normally, radiator tanky, absorber and etc. mayb there are corruption inside Proton. i think the purchaser use cheaper material then claim at the same price as normal material . for what i think.

hmm.. dad must have been lucky.

family's perdana 10 yrs old, ~200,000km. No major problems.

Other than expected wear and tear. Eg - disassembly and cleaning of airconditioning system, replacement of hardened windshield wipers, tyres and alignment etc.

Bro.. those 10 yo and 13 yo are caused by tear and wear la.
u expect a car to last you a life time?
my ex-iswara, made in 1995, it's fine. those minor problems and sounds are mostly caused by tear and wear.
my iswara odometer KOed as well after 11 yo.
power window KOed after 10 yo, cause car flooded (own accident)
rear bonnet leaking water (own accident and bad workmanship)

Strongly Agree!!!!!
My father 91's Saga still very good condition. Old model proton better than new model proton.

my mum wira got rust spreading eveywhere like cancer,, dem tulan... park under shade, wax wash every week, not mentioning power window failure...

Katakan tak nak to proton

My 2003 Wira 1.3 A/B also not spared from problem but most of them because of wear and tear.
The rear absorber not kong but replace it with APM Performax after 4 years. The small A/C sensor also replace with new unit after my car develop some serious engine problem which cause the engine die suddenly in the middle of the road. Luckily not meet with any accidents.
Power window still like new, no problem...since I'm a lone driver, no other itchy hand other than me.
Major repair done last moth because of timing belt snap suddenly and need to do top overhaul. End up rm650.00 fly just like that replacing MMC timing belt, aircond belt, 1 rocker arm, 12 valves...all new, the engine rejuvenate after all complete.
So far no problem with the aircond. Still cold.

Case 1:
Proton is troublesome alright. But sometimes it is also the owner that give too much trust to their so-called trusted mechanic.

My neighbour Wira already gave him so much problem (yes, he always ask me regarding about it). So much that until one point he visit the mechanic over more than 20 times in just two months. QC is one thing, but f***ing mechanic is another. I scolded my friend to change mechanic but he insisted, so he had problems for years. Finally he gave up and listen to me, now his Wira is reasonable to drive. (Rattles still there btw)


Case 2:
Another friend on his new Iswara A/B (b4 sepecial edition), on the 2nd yr suddenly his car couldn't start (I car pool with him). We diagnose (1st aid kind of thing) with a torch light (it is already 730pm) until close to 9pm, we found one wire melted. We quickly went back to office, salvage a wire from standard power extension, and connect it temporarily. Surprise it could start. First encounter. Other than that, his Iswara is one of the best Proton. No repair news after that.


Case 3:
My friend 2yrs old Waja, already changed 4 times absorber because leak. Sold it of, and end up Vios. Happy ever after.



p/s: Yes I didn't own any Proton yet.

MY 12 YEARS OLD WIRA JUZ FACING THE POWER WINDOW PROBLEM...
I CHECK D... ITS ALL ORI, CAN LAST UNTILL NOW....
AND THE AIRCOND IS REALLY GOOD....COOL...

this is the only matured thread tat CoupeFan ever make.. hahaha...

talk about Proton.. my family own 2 Proton cars before... a 1991 Saga and sold for a new 1996 Wira..

Power window failure.. Saga 3 times.. and Wira more than 5 times..

generally the Saga didnt have alot problem compare to the Wira... but the Wira really sux to the max.. the bumper drop when my moms accidently bang the wall while parking.. it just so light yet the plastic bumper already broken!!

less than 1 year, the wira's alarm/center lock got problem... n 1 day my dad taking the wira for a normal service by Proton.. he didnt asked to replacing the alarm/lock system... but the service center replacing the whole center lock system... they even change the 'door-lock' by replacing ori longer to the shorter 1.. in the bill extra RM100++

after tat my dad never bring the car for Proton to service.. he went for his frens... i remember around 1997/1998.. the radiotor suddenly overheating n spoil in the middle of seremban sg besi highway... there r some leaking in the inner parts of the radiotor... can u believe tis car is just less than 2 years old n having tis problem?? so my dad ask his friens which is the workshop owner.. he say many Wira hav radiator problem n tat why u can spot Wira always stopped on the road side of the way to Genting..

other minor problem is aircorn board/switch spoil n then replace...everytime when heavy rain rear bonnet got leaking just 10-20drop of water .. tat oni the few problem tat i remember..

n becos of tis my parent swear wont ever bought any Proton cars... now we r using a Toyota car which totally problem free.. power window never failed..

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lets take about other people car..

my friend's sister own a Gen2.. n i heard he say the Gen2 have lots of problem... himself is driving a old Wira which always complain about radiator problem where his car cant going for a long journey... n just bought a Myvi last year.. he tell me tat he love the Satria Neo design... but too bad it just a 2 door car n manufacture by Proton...

my family close frens aka my mak angkat's son own a Waja.. i heard they say the car got gear/engine oil leaking problem... after tat his sister never bought a Proton car..

my frien's friend wira got aircond problem.. his friend wira air condition is not cold like other wira... bring to service center the cant do anyting so he bring the car for air-cond mechanic to check... n they say if once u get a proton car with tis problem then it cant fix anymore..

tis only few people tat sharing their car problem with me.. there is still 9/10 driving a Proton car which never tell me their car problem.. majority of them which using Iswara/Wira last time switch to non Proton cars..

we had a saga, saga automatic (the silver one), wira 1.5, and the waja.

as far as i'm concerned, problems started with the wira. never with the saga. NONE.

the waja is a pain-in-the-bart also.
me gotta save up some cash and plonk in a 1.8 mivec in there fer more grunt.

My Ex GF's Wira SE
1st day itself, window visor loose, rattle sound near exhaust area, tyre alignment very bad, air cond vent rattling very bad.

My Collague's Wira SE
Gear problems, paint problems, squeeking interior, Odo Meter shaking

My Own Wira Areoback 1.5GL
Odo Meter rattling, Lights diming, 220KM for RM70 fuel city and 350KM MAX on the highway. Absorber kong at least once a year.

My other collague's Waja.
Engine Failed after 1 week, needed to be tolled by toll truck. Power Window issue as usual, brake lights kong within the week itself. Alarm system haywire.

Extra
This information is direct from the mouth of an ex (General Electrics Plastics division) GEP employee.
Normal plastic interior car uses coloured plastics pallets.
Proton cars (I know Wira and waja) uses plastic rasin and paint them over. The paint they use, will eat into the plastic over time. As the same as Iswara's glue type they used will degrade after maybe 10 years and start eating through the metal parts of the bonnet and creating dimples through the paint.

My MYVI 1.3 sxi...no wind noise even at 100km/h....when idle and air-cond not on, i could hardly tell the engine already started and i've actually start the engine several times while it's on coz i thought engine dead.......now, i feel the gear knob for some vibration to make sure engine already on...

All stock and no modification to cabin yadda yadda. Probably can go even more queiter if i do some mod but i'm not into that.

And yeah, i do hear wind noise in my old KIA Sephia...P2 > KIA anyday....and it only cost RM47K. Of course, you can't compare it to a benz/bmw in overall silence, but it's wrong to say u can't get a relatively wind-free noise car for under 100k.



This post has been edited by Matrix: Jun 28 2007, 11:21 AM

Owned a Gen 2 MME...yes Kev u heard me MME muahahahahhaha...

but like u said, the gearknob is loose already...why???always drag with frends and everytime fix it, it will be loose in no time because of the fast gear shifting...owh well...

had an accident because brake failure...hmmm...my fault oso...town driving at 12.30AM and speeding at 140km/h...after accident got squeaking noise at the back of my car...owh well...accident cars maa what do u expect???

lessons learnt...most younger generations mod their car do this and that but when it makes a defect, blame the car maker...some tint their car and the kedai said need to open the panel...why need to open la?do u know once u open sometimes the kedai people pasang tak betul and later u blame car makers because of sounds coming from the door la, power window not working la etc etc...

sometimes send to bad pomen...this oso creates problem...i've heard b4 from my uncle saying that gen2 gearbox always problem...he is like part time pomen...i wanna ask him did he experience it himself and get many gen2 in his partner's workshop or other pomen told him and he told me? so far i've been driving gen2 MME and push the gearbox demm hard no problem...other club members been driving and join drag event etc with standard clutch...car first 2004 model until now still ok...so what say you?

err when i say i push the gearbox hard...i do mean it...come ride with me and i'll show you...

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Added on June 28, 2007, 11:45 amone more thing...if u buy a savvy and drive like u own a ferrari and expect the car to stay fit for 10 years...seriously u gotta be joking rite?? ROFLMAO

This post has been edited by shazmn: Jun 28 2007, 11:45 AM

seriously your prasso is SHITTY just like any other jap car, low frequency noise and vibration resonate throughout the whole cabin when revving, Steering feedback is bad, NVH is bad..Any MODERN engine is extremely quiet during idling including 4WDs like the Nissan Xtrail.

DUMB isn't it the comparison? AS if a Ferrari could last 10 years if we drive it like a econobox, starting up the car 10 times a day and use it for short journey travels.

ROFLMAO

This post has been edited by hypermount: Jun 28 2007, 12:00 PM

Saga LMSS Nov 2003.

Only major problem is the boot leaking water since day 1 and cause the spare tyre to have a swim everyday. Solved by opening up the little drain hole with jamming it slightly open using a piece of cloth.

Bumpers are quite tough for the LMSS saga though. Rear ended by a wira and the bumper slightly out of position only. Wira front looked like a a mess, radiator bleeding etc. Front bumper also not bad, banged a saga at slow speed and also ran over a helmet before, only the clip broken and a few scratches.

No complaints on engine performance with 13" rims. 14" stock rims were heavy like hell and horribly slow pickup.

Wind noise is a problem, the windows seem to not close to 100% but rather 99%. Is it due to lack of window visors?

hi all....i'm still driving a 1990 proton saga (auto)... still going strong... hehee... ermmm well problems wif this car is really minor... the car-cental locking system went KAPUT!!!!... other den dat... condenser DIED due to old age.. other den dat...is working fine...ohhh yeah n the BRAKE tak MAKAN wan...step hard oso still can go front...hahahaaa...but other den dat... air-cond... power windows... wipers... speakers + head unit (changed liao) hehe... but afterall still a very good car... doing 9.5km/litre city driving...i guess consider good as it is a 16 yr old JUNK...hahha... best record was 12.3km/litre highway driving.... hehe

ohhhh the worst is the RUST COMING out from the doors...DAMN QUALITY CONTROL!!!! haaiizzz.... =P

This post has been edited by bruce07: Jun 28 2007, 12:34 PM

I also drive a saga. power window never fail. if that person always fail power window, that guy dunno how to use power window lar

Mr (or Ms.) no d!ck, why don't you comment about those many complains made here? You wanna chicken out? Oh. I bet you do

Everthing from boot leaking water, bumper drop, alarm/center lock got problem ...

OH NOW YOU'RE GONNA RUN, C'MON LETS DISCUSS THIS
AND ADMIT PROTON'S PATHETIC QC

If you can think other cars are dumb, well i guess Protons are 10X dumber, IN EVERY ASPECT

again proton sucks, nuff said

my bro finally bought Honda after suffering 2 protong crap.

DIE PROTON DIE!!!!!!111111111

proton of coz SUXXXX...hahhaa...if without proton sure alot of nice cars in M'sia de...hahaha

Dude .. pity your car. You have my sympathies.

Thing is we should be talking in similar terms. Not about ICE enthusiast or any car crazy fellas. Lets talk about even default cars when you first bought it.

The few cars i went through, Hyundai Sonata 96' , Proton Wira 99' , Waja 02' , Saga 04' , MyVi 07'

Amongst the 4 .. the Saga 04' is notably the worst default car i've purchased n driven.
1. Power window (no need to say sure most people had this)
2. Hand break loosed until cannot lock. e.g. if i park on slope = gone case.
3. Circuit board behind air cond burnt .. literally .. mechanic showed me the burnt circuit.
4. Door handle (inside) BROKE!!! and this is just last week. Best part is my power window on the drivers side DIED TOGETHER!!! only way to open is by climbing out the passenger side.
5. Hub cabs missing. Most likely fell off while driving. I heard and seen on the roads that i wasn't the only one.

Other than that .. actually the car is nice to drive .. it's definitely not a car enthusiast quality or near savvy quality .. but overall it's an ok car. (-minus all the stupid issues i mentioned above)

Waja 02' .. i bet you some of the problems you guys heard of
1. Power window
2. Back door panel coming loose
3. Squeaky breaks. (strange my saga dun have this)
4. Front light almost came off. (despite the fact car never hit anything before)

Look .. if you wanna talk about good quality cheap cars by default upon purchase .. try even a MyVi. Most friends of mine have no complaints on it so far other than e.g. self inflicted accidents.

But then with the stupid ^ tax rates .. cheapest is always Plotong cars ala Saga. Even for Waja in the 1.6 litre range .. i believe Waja is the cheapest 1.6 sedan around.

Theres nothing much you can compare if you just wanna compare. Anyway main topics is about Proton's issues.

Btw .. tested new Neo and Waja. They are alot better than the last batch. Have to admit after they buffed up quality assurance more it's better. Campro Waja is not really that responsive due to it's fuel-efficiency configurations. So other than that the whole car is heck alot better than before.

to all Proton fanboys..

most Malaysian drive Proton cars before n got bad experience with it.. not all of us hate them becos they r local.. people complain on internet or simply bashing for fun... do u think people will still buying the product after knowing it sux n troublesome??? no we trying to avoid them...

This post has been edited by su8aru: Jun 28 2007, 04:45 PM

Thank you for your intelligent feedback Ms. Hypermount. Talk cock all you want and i've still got a relatively wind-noise free car at high speed. Jealous ar?? Haaa-haaa!!!

Wow....and thanks for comparing my humble MYVI to a much more expensive 4WD like Nissan Xtrail...

Even your subconcious mind know MYVI has great quality at fantastic price, despite how hard your conciuos mind tried to fight it.


This post has been edited by Matrix: Jun 29 2007, 11:58 AM

My wira se so far no major problem.... only the wiper hardening and my rear type punctured last month.... the power windows still no problem *touchwood*

The only problem I've got is sctraches from itchy hands which solved by minor touchup and waxing. And my cheap vortex regulator got stolen since using 3m tape to stick them. What with ppl nowadays...??

Waiting for my hood to rust so I got a good reason to change to fibre or other type of hood.huhuhu....

My wira from 1994 till now still using. It is a 1.6 manual export model. use until now no problem. only wearable parts needs to replace.. o major overhaul. Just normal service..... A good car.

Hypermount is so shameful to Proton. I think Proton's dignity is of higher standards than Hypermount ( but do note Proton is pathetic). So this gives an idea how valuable hypermount's comments here are

last time my bro's not even 4 yr old wira 's roof started berkarat already. And its an export model fyi, 1998 batch. Only until recently, proton's QC has improved quite a lot, but its been too late already, as the value segment is dominated by P2 Viva and Myvi, while those looking for a Waja rather to opt a slightly more expensive Vios.

So, Proton, count your days

50 posts in a supposedly 1 week old Proton bashing thread and not all bashed Proton. I can't stand already some ignorant noobie questioning proton why oversea models cheaper ewhen those are stripped down models with lower specs..Minority always make the loudest noise...nuff said to many ignorant people around.

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Added on July 1, 2007, 12:03 amyou're f***tard... Joined: Today, 11:08 PM
kena banne dor f***ing noobie

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Added on July 1, 2007, 12:09 amI found it funny when you highlight the quiet when idling part...every car is quiet when idling even perdana v6 with hydraulic tappets are damn quiet from inside. My Savvy is damn quiet too...no need turn on the blower also quiet/

You expect me to belive you no wind noise at that speed? Myvi is shitty.. not even stable at 110km/h on straight roads moreover on bends. HOpe all kinds of problems will plague u the new car owners who keep bashing Proton. I believe in karma.

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Added on July 1, 2007, 12:12 amNah dun have any problems with my car. You're naive as hell as if myvi has 0 defects.

This post has been edited by hypermount: Jul 1 2007, 12:12 AM

well majority here bashed Proton, so what you gotta say?

It doesn't matter when and why I joined. You're just trying to change the scenario here so you and your pathetic Protons might just skim away from Proton flamers here. Why don't you jump in dirrectly into fire? ARGUE with people who have Proton problems. Say they are wrong, say that is not rust but gold dust, say whatever c0ck you want...

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you're more pathetic than Proton

well if u can call myvi a shitty car, then its also LYN's democracy to allow users to bash at Proton's quality issues, lots of replies above you came with proofs regarding Proton cars which is not a make up story.

btw, I just reported ur usage of profanity :

first things 1st. we all know proton sucks, we all know there are alot of problem. still people buy proton. why? there are things which we ought to take into consideration. $$$. proton has been in the local industry for a long time. they are the most modded car and vast available parts in malaysia. so maintenance on vehicle and replacement parts are cheap, ranging from the authentic manufacturer parts to the low cost aftermarket parts. take for instance on the argument or comparisons between proton and myvis. in the event the rear lights were to burn out, LED replacement are expensive and costly. where else for a normal proton, its just a replacement of a cheapo bulb to get it going. then there is the mod ability. protons have many exteriors to choose or mod with. so basically there are some room for aesthetics. QC wise will always remain an issue in proton. i guess they should work with foreign car manufacturers on training ethical and profession car staffs

myvi... theway to go for malaysians... especially those
1) kiasi china man thinking of resale value importance
2) care of looks over performance
3) who doesnt like red hair gurls

This post has been edited by CoupeFan: Jul 1 2007, 12:32 AM

an old news


http://paultan.org/archives/2007/05/17/pro...0000-vss-offer/

f***ing noobie in F&F..dattebayo, the other guy started personal attack on me first...I have said the worst thing like stupid f*** chinese darat like you in Malaysia. Note to the mod I'm f***ing chinese.

50 replies in 7 days is not considered an active thread.


Since you like to post old stuffs,

Why don't you bash Honda, lots of proof Honda defects by the owners
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=461386&hl=

and bash p2 too they got sued the most among the other 3 in malaysia..

dun be f***ing hypocrites like the DAP?
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry12285569

hey, this is Proton bashing thread ok?
I am not against bashing or complaints other car makers, but make sure u post ur f***ing rants at the correct places ya? No one car maker is perfect and that's blardy truth, but when u saying myvi is shit crap but pls do provide some discrete evidence... not starting to spit ur milt at others like one minister did recently "stupid stupid stupid..." but in the end can't even mention one proper fact about the things debated.

If you can't stand this why not you go out of this thread and create another thread begging the attention for your comrades Proton **** lickers to cohere with u.

btw, if I still see the above racist statements by tomorrow, I will PM one of the admins, albeit the fact u might be a disgrace malaysian chinese

This post has been edited by dattebayo: Jul 1 2007, 01:55 AM

First of, dattebayo well said! couldn't agree more!!


hey hypermount, why you take things so personal? Since you're Chinese, why you're so 'siew hei'? (note I'm not a Chinese) haha

You make youself look more pathetic. Everyone (if not 90%) here hates you for your nonsensicle remarks about cars, your racism stance and especially your uncontrollable rages about other people's humble opinion on Proton cars. Why be like that? Do you know it's already VERY pathetic? Please, at least be less pathetic than Proton. Look at Proton now, begging for one 'strategic' partner. WTF can they do with a strategic partner? Yes I know! to fool the rakyats view on Proton so Proton can cheat more Malaysian day by day with their poor QC










Again, stop being pathetic.

OMG... OMFG actually...
hey u all dun fight la among urselfs... buat malu jer apek cina lawan sesama haha
btw... u all fight here after make me ban again... and this thread is to hear HONEST and UNBIAS real owner's review based on real experience... no racism whatsoever

once again, pls i beg u, stop this racist thing or i'll get banned again and spamming also i will kena

U should close this thread coupefan.

We have to agree that no any one manufacturers for anything is free from fault in the world. We humans are not perfect in the first hand. If you were to look in the issue deep enough, you will know that how the administration of a company, how effective it is in manufacturing, also adding some external factors like it is No.2 car brand, it is pushing GM to the cliff, will affect the general public's view on a Brand.

To me and many others, even if we seen 10 more or 20 more flooded Toyota, but it will not budge our decision to other cars like Proton. Why is that? like in computers, Dell is a really well known brand to make them a No.2, although its built and quality isn't really make them deserve the praising, but what makes Dell still favorable today?

When the public is making negative comments on a company regardless of the truth behind, its time for that company to contemplate on the reasons. If someone really want general public to change their impression towards Proton, he should make those Proton CEOs to really think some realistic actions.

Brand name and how the public first think of it - is the most powerful weapon in business world after all. Proton failed at its branding - thus it will fail entirely in their business.

This post has been edited by dattebayo: Jul 1 2007, 02:31 AM

Ur a fecking god or something know what other people's feeling?...it just f***ing normal exchange of some undersireble word btween 2 parties, they've said my savvy is junk and I didn't retaliate, I said their said their is shitty,and who the f*** are you trying barge in to find troubles and flamebait poeple..stupid dumb newbie.

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Added on July 1, 2007, 2:42 amyea right as if is a money losing car maker can't turn around..they've f*** improved a lot. they are plenty of patriots around not unlike you!! the reality is not what like you prefer to perceive.

This post has been edited by hypermount: Jul 1 2007, 02:42 AM

being a patriotic doesn't mean he has to drive a proton. Even a down syndrome patient knows that. A country is a different entity than its government.

If u have better ideas, why not join MCA to fight for our rights in the coming elections?
I am waiting another one from chinese to join that malay sama sama yelling "stupid stupid stupid" to opposition.

btw, ya I am a patriot

This post has been edited by dattebayo: Jul 1 2007, 03:00 AM

No need to argue so much. Market preference will always differentiate the good and the bad.

The market preference has spoken and Potong's going down.

Hypermount:
I have no idea what really happended to u, but i shall say ur post is really offending and u pissed alot of ppl here.

Here an advise for u, U fighting a losing battle against many of those feddups with proton. Buck out coz there a possibility u will lose ur little brother. U be warned

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Added on July 1, 2007, 5:06 amThat a very good post my friend

Still no matter what, hypermount is running out of bullets to defend the beloved Proton. Its a losing battle but he just living on denial. Poor fella

This post has been edited by travis_ckf: Jul 1 2007, 05:06 AM

Guys, cool down...

From what i can gather, some batches of protons do have lots of problems.

Any comments on the newer ones? late model Gen2's, neo's, savvys?


Most cars will have some kind of problem in the first six months. If im not mistaken, even Toyota (with the best reliability statistics in the US), ended up with something like 1.6 faults within the first six months, on average. (I forgot where i read it... so if anyone finds it do share it here.)



Dattebayo:

DELL's consumer line build quality is just bad. Their lattitudes are okay... but cost as much as Lenovo's and HP business line notebooks.

I had an Inspiron 8600. Left it at home in a month after getting it. Switched to an iBook. No doubt, the Inspiron had very good value for money and top graphics capabilities (at the time), but it's build was just crap. The mouse wouldnt click properly and the case rattles...Not for frequent travelling around campus.

Now im using a Thinkpad. The DELL Latitude is just as or more expensive than a similar thinkpad. The Latitude is good though... Not like the inspiron at all.


My point is, you generally get what you pay for.

A RM40,000 proton is really on the low price range for a car. Expecting top quality is just not possible.

Then the bashers say "oh, toyota and honda small sedans (eg. Vios/Fit Aria) are much more reliable....but 300% more expensive because of NAP". If proton didnt exist, we could get a Vios for RM33,000!

That's bullsh1t. Even with a fair tax scenario, the small jap sedans will still be around RM65k.

Now, if proton aimed a little higher, and made a RM65k small sedan (Imagine a RM65k satria neo or gen2)... it will be out of reach of it's key demographic. The section of the malaysian population it was intended to serve.

Sure, there are many rich ppl in the Klang valley who can afford a 65k car easily... But that does not represent the majority of people who need a car.

This post has been edited by ezralimm: Jul 1 2007, 08:51 AM

ermm.... actually, if there's no 300% hike on Vios since it's made in Malaysia. Those 300% you're talking about are CBU cars made outside of Malaysian shores.

I drive a 1999 wira manual. It was brand new when I bought it. Despite all small problems that I can live with it, there are no major problem like engine and brake failure. Still very reliable till today. Just make sure u change to ORIGINAL parts during maintenance service. My friend asked me y I still driving this old car since I can afford a new jap car, I told him that I feel GOOD coz I don't need to pay for a monthly payment. As long as the car keep running, I will keep saving my money ! I can spend my money in other areas like getting a bigger house.

I ve seen more people buying Vios rather than its closest price competitor Waja Campro, in fact City is also selling better than Waja. Although Toyota and Honda are at least rm10k more exp than a Waja.
Again, people has lost confidence in them, with more emotion than rationally
Design wise, Proton Iswara still based on the last decade rite?
Chancellor is yet another Waja rip off, and Waja Campro has minimal changes to Waja 1st gen.
Savvy is nothing but underwear car or helmet car
Gen2 do you call that crap a subcompact?
Satria Neo, it has potential and so far is the only Proton that deserves the attention.

IMO, I see more cities than vios. But recent sale figures sure shows than Waja is clearly losing out.

Satria Neo is the worst Proton car IMO. the roof is too low. I'm only 5 foot 10, and I'm already having trouble with that. Power wise, still not comparable to Honda Jazz.

Not to bash or say other brand better, "if proton did well, they wont face today's trouble. "

only some are troublesome... the rest you can see running on the road..... not all proton cars are problematic....

yeah the qc line is sucks.... even letting go of cars with problem for sale...

u sure vios are made in malaysia ?


u just shot yourself again with this post.....
just prove that how much "information" you have in your head...

a honda jazz is more powerful then a neo ?


u want me to post out the dyno chart and put you to shame ?
if u have say jazz is more zippy then neo, then i will agree with you 100%

and do you know about aerodynamics ?


thank you for making my day, what a way to start a day, with a laughter....

yeah I'm quite sure. Used to be in Thailand but they have a plant here. That's what 2 SA told me

i think u better re-confirm that data

in order for ppl to change their bad impression with proton, first thing proton gonna do is being privatized 100% just like perodua. No government interference, no nation or malay pride mentioned, just do their car business and make revenue on top of many others agenda. I hate to see that when a government has to give out life saving cash to save just an automobile manufacturer. Whereelse country in this world will do this? Will Bush government sponsor to GM motors when GM is dying soon?

a 76k vios is just a basic car, while waja 62k is far more more better spec then the vios E ... but people still prefer buy vios ...

omg whats the prob man... why keep bragging me to close threads

i've learned how to close thread already, not funny anymore like last time, sry to say that

prolly need to change the mindset about proton ... then people will start buying already ...

ppl ask you to close thread cause its a sensetive issue maybe..& flaming will go on..

vios is made in shah alam...

not made lah.. its assembled

very much agree. Its look like we have to pay hefty for imported car just to defend the Nation pride (Malay pride).
again, rather to pay less with Myvi, or paymore for City or vios, than to spoonfeed the blokes inside Proton. Their pride is not worth a single penny though. We pay for the quality and peace of mind, not some regiment's proclaimed Nation pride.

This post has been edited by dattebayo: Jul 1 2007, 11:59 AM