That’s what HR doesn’t seem to understand - their procedures don’t come above business needs.

Clearly you are not a business need then.

Hiring manager and HOD decides that, not HR.

Might not be completely true. Perhaps HR did find a better person at a more reasonable price.

And that was the reason for you to lose out.

All the best TS!

It might be a tad unwise to brush aside HR, as events have proven itself.

I do believe it is a lesson to remember for your next interview.

Yes, they clearly decided you were not their need, shitty HR SOP aside.

i hope the lower paid guy realised this and jump ship

what company that offers such a big salary range for a same job grade? make no sense to be honest,
unless we are talking >40k region, but unlikely

if your concern is salary, you can blacken it out.

are you not able to produce the latest salary?

because you left that prominent company way before this?

160 posts and 8 pages.

Looks like you're setting a record in this section TS.

Not bad.

Yes the same HR who tried negotiating with me three times to tell them my salary information - we know who needed who more.

When you are the best and working for the best - it is never an employers market.

Salary is an itchy topic.

We all need to make a living after all.

I usually produce the payslip anyway, but request whatever I feel like makes the best sense for me to leave my current work and join the new. If they do not think I am worth the monies or the "increment percentage breaks our company's policies" then we part our ways - they are not willing to hire me for what I think I'm worth (or think I am not worth the expenses), and I probably won't join them because I think they are too rigid in their practices ( and given that I am not desperate enough to leave too). No harm no foul

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Whoa, hold your ego there TS. Pride comes before the fall.

Apart from confirmation for increment or negotiation they also have SOP to follow la especially big companies. Must do verification, documents must be complete etc. They have checklist need to follow when hiring. Later kena internal audit the HR will be held liable. Don't be so egoistic. This is normal in big firms.

not really tis ask 4 payslip cannot be included in SOP by many country especially EU
company can ask 4 it, but cannot make it as the requirement

it is normal in big firms tat they tell u 2 submit or those follow EU standard will tell u it is ur choice
no forcing

Attitude aslo play a part in hiring. It was entirely TS's call not to disclose payslip so what's the point of complaining HR executes their rejection rights? I reckon TS must be so ego until can't stand the defeat.

I won't allow ego or arrogant person in my team. I always believe there are better person than me everywhere. So better stay humble and low profile.

Hi bro,
You made the point! Unfortunately here is Malaysia. So have to follow local practices.

BN ex-ministers always said, "kalau tak suka, kau keluar Malaysia".

you sure it is local practices or not? i believe most of the company did not issue any
acknowledgement letter & terms of personal data protection as required by mcmc after receive NRIC / salary slip etc

gud capable ppl go out, stupid ppl flock together and rot

Yeah but in the face of reality, sometimes once can't help but to bow down. I've been in situations like this before, and I've always shown my payslip. Sometimes it backfire, where the company only willing to offer me 20% increment, but often I prevail getting 40-100% increment as per asking..

It’s simply because some companies policy requires the previous candidate payslip to decide on the offer.

Plus, secondary reason is actually to roughly gauge a candidates job scope. I mean qualifications aside for experienced employees we mainly look at your work experience and job description to determine if you’re a suitable candidate.

For a lot of roles there is no technical or practical tests done during the interview stage to really gauge your competency. So the interviewer is dependant on your resume and interview questions to gauge if you’ve really done certain tasks/job which is required for the job role.

Your old company will not share/reveal your JD as part of your employment verification. At most we can check your job title only and ask about your performance but not in detail what you do. Different companies may have different task to be done by same roles for example some companies business analyst only does documentation work and not actual project management. The pay you receive will usually reflect this.

Of course hr knows some companies pays people low and give low job titles and expects them to do tasks way above their pay grade. In these scenarios hr will refer back to the hiring manager and ask for his final decision after raising doubts or concerns. End of the day, if you share your payslip it is still up to hiring manager what he wants to give it’s his decision ultimately. Hr only makes recommendations. You can get more than 30% if the hiring manager insists. Although hr recommendation will usually be around 20-30% depending on the HR policy.