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HR refusing to offer the job without pay slip
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SUSfuzzy
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Nov 6 2018, 01:54 PM
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Kesian wanna tunjuk macho backfire now come here rant.
You have a right not to show your payslip. They also have the right not to offer you a role.
If you are that good, they will bend over backwards to hire you. If you get stunted because of a payslip, you are not that good of a talent.
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SUSfuzzy
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Nov 6 2018, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(whyamiblack @ Nov 6 2018, 03:43 PM) For what other purpose would that info be useful other than using it as bargaining chip to make an offer? Idk whether TS bluffed or not but at this point it doesn't matter. Employees often wonder why their growth can't match the environment they're in. This is one of it. Most likely is to use to look at what to offer the person. Not necessarily a bargaining chip, but in MNCs, anything above X% will have to be approved by higher authority, thus they will need the payslip to back it up, especially if someone uses bonus to form part of their new salary requirements.
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SUSfuzzy
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Nov 6 2018, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE(vanbrah @ Nov 5 2018, 11:57 AM) Nah, doesn't work in big companies. HR can not offer ad hoc increment during middle of the year, they are bounded by increment policies and timing. Even if you perform really well - they can only increase as per their range for top performers (which is limited once again) Anything more than their standard increment, have to go up to VP level. Since when HR cannot offer ad hoc increment?
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SUSfuzzy
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Nov 6 2018, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE(ipohmali70 @ Nov 6 2018, 12:00 PM) Every company wants their employees to work their way to the top, and not to jump to the top. Employment candidates who job hop frequently are not considered for employment at all. Totally no loyalty there. Not worth the money for investment. Still got people seriously believe in this myth.
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SUSfuzzy
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Nov 6 2018, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE(whyamiblack @ Nov 6 2018, 04:15 PM) That is the very definition of bargaining chip. Bargaining chip would indicate candidate have an expectation and one's payslip will be used to suppress that. It can happen but I always tell people to stand their ground. Keep telling "use market" is pointless, market data at P50 is average, not really comprehensive and strips away one's "achievements and contributions". If P50 is at 8k, candidate request it at 12k it makes no sense to pay market nor would it be easy to justify why the role commands a candidate 50% above market. If he is already earning 10k, a 2k increment seems far more palatable. I'm not sure the intention of that HR, but current pay is only one factor is the overall comp negotiation.
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SUSfuzzy
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Nov 6 2018, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE(PrincZe @ Nov 6 2018, 04:50 PM) unker fuzzy, bonus is just 1 time, given to u in a month. usually HR asks for 3 months salary slip. 3 mths is just to see if your pay is consistent. I am heading rewards. Plenty of fella pull that "I get 8 months bonus so I want my pay to be xyz", thus kantoi when get asked for payslip with bonus. Don't lie, just state what is the pay you think is fair and stick to it.
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SUSfuzzy
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Nov 6 2018, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE(vanbrah @ Nov 6 2018, 05:14 PM) That’s what HR doesn’t seem to understand - their procedures don’t come above business needs. Clearly you are not a business need then.
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SUSfuzzy
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Nov 6 2018, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE(vanbrah @ Nov 6 2018, 05:21 PM) Hiring manager and HOD decides that, not HR. Yes, they clearly decided you were not their need, shitty HR SOP aside.
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