Why are you so against sharing your pay slip ?

Just curious ? I was previously in a MNC, then moved to a contract job with a China company and finally now in another Malaysian based MNC .

I had no qualms giving them my pay slip and asking them to give me an increment or fly kite.

I have always been upfront with the HR and I got the pay that I was expecting without much negotiations,

did you lie about your pay?

The HR is only asking for your previous salary proof..

If you not lying about your previous salary, why you worried about?

If you are requesting for more than what they commonly pay, they will need some kind of internal approval .

I have gone through that many times, this is more we normally pay our senior managers. then the negotiation starts.

If you are truly as qualified, what's the big deal in throwing in your pay slip .. its in your favour, not theirs.

Unless, you aren't getting paid as well as you made your resume out to be . It happens, but that's life .

Why need pay slip? EPF statement also can roughly calculate your last drawn salary.

Some company will only offers x percent increment from your previous salary. Then once confirmed, they'll offer x percent increment again. Said its company procedure.

Just give your pay slip first if you really wanted the job. Perform really, really well in your probation, then negotiate more with proof of what have you achieved.

Something don't add up here......when u go into interview, u did not have a faint idea what would be your expected salary that u would accept? And, interviewer did not ask you what is your expected salary for them to benchmark whether that is within their budget?

Your statement, why limit yourself, which mean, it can work both way, they might offer u something lower than your current one.

I don't see any issue providing them the payslip when they request, but, when they decide to give me 20-30% increment max, rather than what I asking or agreed upon, then, I would politely decline as they not paying what the market rate, but, trying to "low-balled" me.

Unless you are not being honest with what you get paid now, therefore, u reluctant to provide them the payslip.

Interview you can talk till the sky. A good actor can convince interviewer he can fly. Pay slip will roughly reflect what you current company think you worth, which is another reference for how much they should pay you or even should they hire you if your salary is much lower than market rate.

sounds like this is the first time u're changing job

all of ur previous companies are MNCs?

I do the same thing as you. Different company dff culture.

As matter of fact, yes, I do.

My view of salary negotiation is I myself and company come into conclusion what is the "fair" compensation for my experience and skills, regardless of what is my previous pay. So, if either party do not come into such agreement, I would politely decline the offer.

If you goes into the negotiation with the above said mindset, unless you inflated your last drawn salary, then, u got nothing to lose to demand whatever you think you deserve.

If they just offered u 20-30% increment, you can just walk away, declining the offer, nothing to lose. But, if they agree to pay what you expected, you got the job. But, now, by not providing your last drawn salary evidence, u totally blew away the opportunity. Are you telling me that you more than happy to accept current salary which is lower than your "expected min" 20-30% increase?

then why did u applied elsewhere? if it's just money, surely you could have negotiated with your management, shouldn't be a problem with your good name is it?

deep down inside u must have wanted something that your current co couldn't give

True story from my side. I been to this interview recently, i provided my pay slip too. When the offer came, it was about 20% increment. However, i bargain to the extend of 80% increment. It does takes sometime to nego to this figure.

My opinion is that you have nothing to lose by providing your current payslip. Now you walk away an opportunity without knowing what they going to offer you. They can offer whatever figure  to you, if you happy, just take it else just walk away.

it obvious something fishy..

there is already integrity issues..

It's standard HR SOP best practice. Big companies especially MNC will practice this. EVERYTHING is to be documented with black and white. The pay slip is a document to justify your pay to directors and stakeholders, no matter if they increase or decrease or pay same with market rate or whatever. It's black and white documentation and procedures. You want to work in big company and MNC, you got to follow procedure. Even CEO and MDs need to follow procedure. No exceptions.

Many people on LYN act as if the company has all the power and the potential employee doesn't. I think this is a result of a feudal way of thinking and the Power Distance issue (people accept and don't question authority).

I completely support what @vanbrah did. From my point of view, if the company is so rigid and inflexible now, what other processes are they going to follow blindly and not willing to relook into? That's not the type of company I want to work for.

Please post your experiences on glassdoor, payscale etc. not just on LYN

Hiring someone is not as simple as buying tv bruh. Consumer buy tv with 1 time payment. Hiring someone have many factors to consider and everything is subjective. Hence the need for black and white and paper trail. If everything can just go verbal and no procedure, we will have a lot of 1MDB problems. HR and hiring procedures is created for a reason

I admire TS for his stand.

As the hiring manager i dont really bother about the payslip but rather what he can bring to the table. The payslip is something HR ask as part of their due diligence

Most HR would already have access to research on market pay and have some estimates for a suitable amount for the candidate. if the candidate is as good as they themselves claim with so many support and reference from the management then by right he or she should be having a commensurate amount of pay and position. If the payslip shows otherwise there could other factors that was not accounted for ( e.g. company size too small cant pay that kind of salary, issues with direct supervisor but support by other line managers, etc) That need to be delve further if the gap between the pay and what is claimed is high.