he asked to resign then jobless for few months before came to my company for interview.... actually that fella is good but he not honest with the info provided...

HR will not dig deeper if they not keen to hire that person..... if u have 100-200 applications per month....i doubt HR will wasting time to call 1 by 1...

This post has been edited by sukhoi35mk: Nov 6 2018, 02:42 PM

U know what, fake your payslip

Back to the subject at hand, it is TS right not to disclose and company's right not to hire.

Nothing right or wrong with that.

Fact is, TS gambled, and he lost. Fair and square.

If you are not prepared to disclose information despite requested, then you'd better be prepared to go home empty handed.

In my previous company, such a case happened.

He was hired and worked happily for 24 days.

Then he was found out and summarily fired for fraud.

Without pay.

For those who want to fake documents and information, this is fair warning to you.

well he must have bragged about it with other backstabber colleague

moral of the story, dont brag

No, he was found out by HR who did a bit of digging.

It was S.O.P.

Not only he lied about his salary, he was dismissed from his previous job.

This guy was my junior only for 24 days. I like him.... But too bad..

Did I really lose?

The hiring manager and the Head of Department both approved me. I quote the HOD’s words - “you are the exact type of candidate we want in our company”

Negotiations broke down due to salary agreement - if I look at things the other way, they lost a potential good employee because of HR’s blunder in negotiation. I refused to provide my salary info even though I knew the job was in my hand - who made the call here?

Your mentality speaks volumes on your thoughts - that we should be thankful for employers to offer us a job.

I don’t think of it on the same angle - I see it as a mutual benefiting relationship - I provide my skills, the company pays. There are no winners or losers here - just win-win or no deal.

Sorry to break the bubble my friend, but indeed you lost.

You didn't play the game right.

No point if Jesus/Buddha/@11@h himself approved you if HR didn't.

No need to be in denial.

It was a fair fight after all.

You call their bluff, and they call yours.

In my 20+years in HR management, I've seen all kinds of people, too many to count. Every month I have 200+ applications to sift through.

Most go to the trash though.

But I wish you all the best.

Was in the same boat with you, everything was ok with the hiring managers, HOD etc, (just meet them though, no technical questions since they know my skills), have got the rough figure beforehand (about 110% increment), until the Final stage with the HR, they asked for my payslip, which I declined at first, but like you, they need it to proceed, fine, and as I thought they lowballed the salary offer to just about 50% increment, which I declined, talked with the hiring managers, and finally got to nego to about 90% increment, which I accepted. Bottom line, if you're confident of your chances, just proceed to give them, at least open the chance to nego, if their offer doesn't meet your expectation, you can just decline, it's not like your obliged to accept their offer.

Good luck! =)

Nice going there

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This post has been edited by Lyu: Nov 6 2018, 06:11 PM

My company had one incident similar to yours.

A girl came for interview, the Manager liked her, the Director liked her. But the HR blocked the employment because she disliked the girl talked very ‘deh’. She said this is not the place for people to “flirt”!

difficult to keep it confidential as the company has the right to know, but not necessary using it as bargaining chip to determine your next salary.

I bet TS bluffed on his salary and when he was offered the job, couldn't produce his salary slip as evidence.

anyhow, it is TS's right not to produce and it is the company's right not to hire. no one is right or wrong here

off course also depends on the company and hiring position, if it is high security company, they might even ask for your wife info,

For what other purpose would that info be useful other than using it as bargaining chip to make an offer?

Idk whether TS bluffed or not but at this point it doesn't matter. Employees often wonder why their growth can't match the environment they're in. This is one of it.

Yeah , been there done that

Lost the job also, but nvr regret

I always hate HR to be above the operation needs, this kind of company i sure dun wanna join

Well, really depends whether company needs u more , or u need the job more

I did.
I went through a headhunter though so I knew their max range. Plus I was ok with where I was, so I thought why not see how far I can push the envelope. It paid off.
Of course the hr was reluctant since my payslip showed I asked for a sizeable increment and I had also just moved jobs 6 months prior but the headhunter fought for me coz I said I won’t leave unless it’s min x amount

This post has been edited by chickenshit36: Nov 6 2018, 03:54 PM

Most likely is to use to look at what to offer the person. Not necessarily a bargaining chip, but in MNCs, anything above X% will have to be approved by higher authority, thus they will need the payslip to back it up, especially if someone uses bonus to form part of their new salary requirements.

Since when HR cannot offer ad hoc increment?

Do you think this is right? Salary different as much of 10k but do the same job? Unless this 10k only represents 20% of the salary ie 40k vs 50k. No wonder you started this thread. Ha...

Still got people seriously believe in this myth.

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