To put simple, you want to join an organisation, you follow their rules and SOP. You don't like rules and SOP, then don't join. That's all

I agree with not showing pay slip. But I would still show my card to see what do they have

If they offer 20% or less (after seeing your pay slip/ offer based on your current). I would turn them down

One forumer mentioned, u missed to see what they have to offer

Alot case even myself, HR told me can only offer max 20% based on my last drawn salary, instead of requested 25%.

And yes, some case HR will advice the hiring manager that this candidate is expensive and his expected is higher than usual 20%. Hiring manager may think twice and find other cheaper employee

This happens more often than you think.

In my team, the range between the lowest and highest paying employee is RM10K - all doing the same job.

Kesian wanna tunjuk macho backfire now come here rant.

You have a right not to show your payslip. They also have the right not to offer you a role.

If you are that good, they will bend over backwards to hire you. If you get stunted because of a payslip, you are not that good of a talent.

Since when HR cannot offer ad hoc increment?

it is acceptable if you mean junior engineer is rm3k and senior engineer is rm13k, but if they are doing the same thing     

look at the bigger picture

what TS is doing is market (supply and demand) forces at work

Employer will always want to squeeze more and an employee will always demand more
that's how inflation works

Employee will always demand more salary
Employer will always bitch and moan
but eventually, at the same salary offering, they would get less and less applicant
and eventually, they would have to raise and pay more
that's how salary increment works

eventually, if more people like TS practice this
more employer would just forgo the payslip procedure
both sides will bitch and moan (like in this thread)
but eventually, majority would win
and hopefully, it would be the employee

Whoa, hold your ego there TS.  Pride comes before the fall.

not really tis ask 4 payslip cannot be included in SOP by many country especially EU
company can ask 4 it, but cannot make it as the requirement

it is normal in big firms tat they tell u 2 submit or those follow EU standard will tell u it is ur choice
no forcing

you sure it is local practices or not? i believe most of the company did not issue any
acknowledgement letter & terms of personal data protection as required by mcmc after receive NRIC / salary slip etc

gud capable ppl go out, stupid ppl flock together and rot

  to protect your information or to protect the company?

lol pdpa & nda also can't differentiate, awhile tis a while tat dono which u say is true
awhile act like boss lcly, awhile act kuli, cannyeo dupe issit?

With all due respect, "big companies" have SOPs/Policies/Manuals that cover this issue extensively, and usually it's written that a payslip is required to be provided. Especially in the financial industry.

want to twist and turn again?
PDPA is only for personal data the terms of process, redirection and ownership heritage
NDA is for contract binding for information that the company deem important only valid if it comply with the law
any mistake in those will deem the contract / commitment void

i won't flash my own position as it would seem i'm just using my current position level to bully you and it prove nothing
i do not have 18 years of experience, but 18 years of experience prove nothing if you sleep on your job

it would be the best for you to chill off, right now you are just spewing craps and your personal information
which might cost you in the future

In ideal world, payslip is not required and everyone get hired at fair salary. But also in ideal world, every hired employee works perfectly up to their potential and expectation that was perceived during interview.

Sad to say because humans are imperfect, so sometimes rules need to be put in place, HR is just one of many protection mechanism. I sometimes call this traffic light. Nobody likes it, but we all know what happen to human behaviour at busy junction when traffic lights fail..

As employer and manager, you can always see fair share of those who ace the interview, peer reviews and get very high salary. But the expectation not always up to par. We call this interview expert, built solid career and high salary just on being good at interviews. LOL. I am sure we all know someone at some point in time who fit this description.

The problem then is most company will find it almost impossible to reduce salary and time consuming to do termination of employee who is below expectation in reality.

And human also tend to always imagine own salary should increase over time. But what if in reality fair market value is actually lower? Would one then still accept the job, if truly were looking to be paid fair market value? Or stay in current job and put hand up to volunteer pay cut?

Anyway, just sharing. Some company ask for payslip, some don't. If they ask, I have usually provide. Over the years have also signed all sorts from PDPA, NDA, consent to investigate personal info, non-compete clause, etc. Standard process for some companies.

Up to us to decide if we can live with the requirement, if not, then there are many companies out there that don't require such. And there will always be someone else who will take the job if we don't want. Life goes on for both sides, don't need to feel stressed or unfairly treated about it.

I agree. I have a friend who worked for 6 years having 4k salary
My gf sister now starting working fresh grad at Accenture drawing same salary as him, 4k

It will be unfair for scenario below:

Candidate A, expected salary: 5000, last drawn: 2500 (underpaid), increment: 100%

Candidate B, expected salary: 5000, last drawn: 4000 (well paid), increment: 25%

Both of them have same capability, same education, same job scope, same experience.

Im sure HR will pick candidate B if follow the stupid last drawn salary schema.

What if Candidate A insist want 5k.. will you choose him or candidate B.

Lesson learnt: Fresh graduate's first job salary must match market rate/high enough, do not accept low ball job offer. If starting salary low = underpaid forever *if everyone follow this protocol*