all those defending the HR, i am sure they are from HR

only HR will defend HR or maybe business owners, so they can lowball the candidates

well, such is the world... capitalism FTW! businesses lowballing candidates are as normal as finding salt on the internet

Not working as HR, but same thing goes to job seekers, of course we are helping each other to raise the salary bar 

On a serious note, I've always appreciate the SOP of recruitment in the EU. They set a budget for the role (e.g. 40k - 45k p.a.) and that's it, regardless of your previous pay or position, either you get it or not. Fair to both parties.

exactly! that's how it should be!

every company surely will have an allocated budget for each position, then if the candidate's skills/experiences can match the budget, then why not? why must die die lowball the fella?

i already kena this before, previous company, asked for my current and expected, they said no, cannot, because increment more than 50%, so i fight until at least 50%... i just dont get the need to offer salary based on current salary, really wtf

I mean, they can always reward those who are more experienced with more bonus, instead of penalize someone with less experienced who's doing the same job.

If the less experienced performs better, then he/she deserves more rewards. The thing about our work culture is that, there's always someone who's willing to take the job with lower pay hence we believe in punishment instead of reward to motivates workers.

This mindset is shaped by "since no Malaysian is willing to do the job, we import cheap foreign workers who are willing to do it with lower than minimum wages".

Ultimately, if the government decided to take a stance on "made in Malaysia" and increase all minimum wages to at least RM2k which only seems viable for a single average living cost, the dynamic of our job market will definitely change.

My friend in Australia has been a barista in a local cafe for more than 10 years since 16 year old in Tasmania, and still able to afford to purchase a 2 bedroom flat in 30 years mortgage, and some.

In ideal world, payslip is not required and everyone get hired at fair salary. But also in ideal world, every hired employee works perfectly up to their potential and expectation that was perceived during interview.

Sad to say because humans are imperfect, so sometimes rules need to be put in place, HR is just one of many protection mechanism. I sometimes call this traffic light. Nobody likes it, but we all know what happen to human behaviour at busy junction when traffic lights fail..

As employer and manager, you can always see fair share of those who ace the interview, peer reviews and get very high salary. But the expectation not always up to par. We call this interview expert, built solid career and high salary just on being good at interviews. LOL. I am sure we all know someone at some point in time who fit this description.

The problem then is most company will find it almost impossible to reduce salary and time consuming to do termination of employee who is below expectation in reality.

And human also tend to always imagine own salary should increase over time. But what if in reality fair market value is actually lower? Would one then still accept the job, if truly were looking to be paid fair market value? Or stay in current job and put hand up to volunteer pay cut?

Anyway, just sharing. Some company ask for payslip, some don't. If they ask, I have usually provide. Over the years have also signed all sorts from PDPA, NDA, consent to investigate personal info, non-compete clause, etc. Standard process for some companies.

Up to us to decide if we can live with the requirement, if not, then there are many companies out there that don't require such. And there will always be someone else who will take the job if we don't want. Life goes on for both sides, don't need to feel stressed or unfairly treated about it.

I didn’t know HR had the power to reject me after hiring manager and HOD has approved.

How did you nego from 20% to 80%? Give some tips.

it is normal that you have to show them your payslip
some company they dont really see, but some company yes.
but recently i went to a famous job portal company which offers education too

i feel weird we didnt even discuss the salary since the first stage, after went thru 3 stages, the HR requested for my salary slip.

then the HR called and asked my expectation, at the end they can give the amount which is just slightly higher than my current salary. 

and i rejected it. Then the interviewer called me and ask why, i told him the reason etc.

And he will discuss with the country manager etc. At the end they couldn't pay the salary i requested.

When HR called you for an interview, didn't they ask what is your current and expected salary?

I had somewhat a similar experience.. went to interview and they were happy with my experience/skills and i am quite certain they want to hire me. But the HR didn't discuss my current and expected salary. They wanted to have a copy of my payslip, etc.. I told them that i can't provide copies of these documents until we have discuss the salary. it doesn't make sense to provide all the document and only to be rejected because my expected is not within the range of the job position...

I went back and forth with them but they still wanted a copy of my payslip, transcript, etc.. I told them no..

So its still based on current pay as u showed them your pay slip

Imagine if there's no sharing of pay slip, if country manager think u are the best to hire, they will still hire based on your expected, not at your pay slip

So its still based on current pay as u showed them your pay slip

Imagine if there's no sharing of pay slip, if country manager think u are the best to hire, they will still hire based on your expected, not at your pay slip

lol after went through this thread i just feel "we pay slightly more than your current salary based on your salary slip" is  quite unfair? lol

Is it a must to show our salary slip?

Any binding law?