Clue: it is located opposite of formerly name Tropicana mall

same name but dont think its affiliated/related to the one in sg right?

Should be

I know a friend who attends there

He was so excited to spread the gospel prosperity blessing to me and took me to star bucks to talk all day long about it

But not my cup of tea hehehe

Want to ask if there is any Baptist Church around KL/Sel that only uses King James or N. King James only?

TNCC? No idea

I know someone who goes there, it's not that bad. They're not scammers.

But not my cup of tea. I'm more traditional. Then again I dont like most of the large churches in Malaysia either so...

not looking for a huge one, just wanna find one that preaches the same gospel

So you subscribe to a Hyper grace gospel?

not too sure how u define it... but if u think ncc is one of them... then yea

There are churches who are promoting their gospel as prosperity gospel?

Have a read here

https://standforthefaith.com/2017/09/12/bew...-joseph-prince/

Yes there are numerous churches doing this.

Especially the mega churches.

independent mega churches

dislike it, whenever offering time they will keep talk about money and testimony about money

went to anglican church or roman catholic, they dont even mentioned about money... just pass the bag and up to you to put money or not

yea... tncc... thanks

maybe city harvest? i dont know...

depends which

from experience, SIB and DUMC are okay, and they're 2 of the biggest

SIB is seeker friendly church for the rich. The rich who are not asked to repent from their sins.
DUMC is milder.
Calvary and City Harvest are the worst. Kong Hee is the worst of the lot.

But most mega churches will have to preach tithing, which will necessarily lead to the prosperity gospel.
Otherwise they cannot maintain the lifestyle of the church, with all the investments into huge buildings.

I'm curious

What kind of repentance are you asking for?

And are you against tithing?

BTW I'm just saying upfront, I dont like some things about these guys, but IMO SIB for one disposes of its money in missions very well. They have a decent strategy and they follow through... unlike some others I've seen with all sorts of crazy ideas.

This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Aug 8 2019, 02:06 PM

Repentence is turning from sin to Jesus. Repentence is the realization that we are sinners and we have regret for being a sinner and want to turn from sin.

As for tithing let me ask you a question. Do you think it's fair that pastors get to live a comfortable life and the members suffer? Also, do you really need to attend such big churches? Do you need a big church in order to preach?

I know that you are going to use the usual Malachi verse to defend tithing. But then the fact is that that verse only apply to the Jews at that time. We are no longer under the old testament.

Repentance...to turn away from sin. Yes?

Just this. SIB KL has lots of rich men. They do not preach against their old ways. In fact, they allow these rich persons to continue in their sins.

Thing is this. When its comes to Mosaic Law, the churches preach grace and sola gacia.
BUT, then they preach tithing! Tithing is part of the Torah. Either you follow the Law or you don't.
And more oft than not, they take verses out of their context to support their teaching on tithing, especially Malachi 3.

Hmm what sins are they continuing in?

No, you don't.

You do have a point.

But look at it this way - a tithe is a sacrifice. We all have to sacrifice and put in our time and effort (or money, which is fungible time and effort) for God and the Church, right? So one way or another, it has to exist. And the church facilitates the gathering of our individual efforts to accomplish something that individually we cannot.

The system we have now is basically the church leaders are the ones who will decide how to spend the money, which they are well placed to do being in full time service, and the congregation reviews their efforts and votes with their money if the church is being a good steward. Right?

I agree it's not a perfect system. But what is? I can't think of anything else myself. Can you?