Sigh this thread going down the catholic road again. Please stop arguing about it here.
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Mar 18 2019, 11:50 PM
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Sigh this thread going down the catholic road again. Please stop arguing about it here.
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Mar 19 2019, 12:11 AM
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Okay... there's quite a bit of mudslinging around huh?
I cleaned up to the last known calm moment on the thread, which is a simple prayer for the nation. I did not follow the blocks of arguments, nor do I want to read through every one of them. Let's forget about those and focus on something more important. Please pray for NZ. They're going through horrible times now. Amen |
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Mar 19 2019, 08:33 AM
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Mar 19 2019, 12:11 AM) Okay... there's quite a bit of mudslinging around huh? Why only NZ? I cleaned up to the last known calm moment on the thread, which is a simple prayer for the nation. I did not follow the blocks of arguments, nor do I want to read through every one of them. Let's forget about those and focus on something more important. Please pray for NZ. They're going through horrible times now. Amen http://bpnews.net/52593/280-christians-kil...acks-in-nigeria JOS, Nigeria (BP) -- Christian deaths are spiraling in Nigeria as militant Fulani herdsmen and Boko Haram terrorists escalate their attacks, according to reports from religious liberty watchdog groups active there. As many as 280 people were killed in Christian communities in several attacks spanning February through mid-March in Nigeria's Middle Belt, according to varying reports from Christian Solidarity Worldwide (CSW), Morning Star News and International Christian Concern (ICC). Militants destroyed hundreds of homes and displaced residents. In the latest attack, Fulani militants killed 10 Christians overnight March 16 in Kaduna state, Morning Star News reported today (March 18). The deaths follow the killing of 40 Christians in at least two attacks in Kaduna Feb. 10-26. Meanwhile, a regional Nigerian court ruled that the national government failed to protect victims when militant Fulani killed 500 people, most of them Christian civilians, in several Middle Belt attacks in Benue State in 2016. The Court of Justice of the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) on Feb. 26 sided with Christian plaintiffs and ordered the government to investigate the 2016 killings, saying the government shirked "its obligation to protect the human rights of the Agatu Community and prevent its violation." The ECOWAS ordered the government to begin protecting the predominantly Christian communities by deploying adequate security personnel. But the ECOWAS stopped short of awarding plaintiffs $13.87 million requested in monetary damages. Plaintiffs included 11 Christian leaders and the Movement Against Fulani Occupation. The latest attacks surround the Feb. 26 re-election of Nigerian President Muhammadu Buhari over challenger Atiku Abubakar, who has challenged the election results in court. Buhari lost the vote in Middle Belt states that have substantial Christian communities, but won re-election by mustering a larger voter turnout in northern communities that are mostly Muslim, according to results from the Independent National Election Commission. Latest attacks Death tolls since February vary among reporting agencies, including attacks in Kaduna, Benue and Zamfara states. -- In the largest tally, CSW reported 280 people died in February and March attacks, including 130 deaths in Kaduna, 120 in Zamfara and 30 in Benue states. "Once again, we extend our deepest condolences to those who have lost loved ones in the violence in Kaduna, Benue and Zamfara states," CSW founder and chief executive Mervyn Thomas said today in releasing the tally. "It is clear that the culture of impunity that surrounds these attacks has emboldened perpetrators. We reiterate our call on state and the federal governments to address every source of violence in a swift, decisive and unbiased manner, ensuring that vulnerable communities are provided the protection they so desperately need." -- ICC documented 205 killings in at least 60 attacks by Boko Haram and Fulani militants in February. Of those, Boko Haram killed 126, including 83 civilians, and Fulani militants killed 79, ICC said, but it's tally did not include March killings reported by other groups. The Nigerian government has done little to protect Christians, ICC said. "There have been no major attempts by the Nigerian government to hold the Fulani accountable or disarm them," ICC said March 4. "The re-election of President Buhari ensures that the government will remain dormant as the perpetrators continue to inflict suffering in Nigeria. "The Middle Belt should remain a cause of great concern for all those interested in Nigeria's growth and stability," ICC said. -- According to Morning Star's tally released today, at least 140 Christians have died in militant Fulani attacks in Kaduna since Feb. 10. Open Doors ranked Nigeria 12th in its 2019 World Watch List of the 50 countries where it is most dangerous to live as a Christian. Of the 4,136 Christians killed in 2018, Nigeria accounted for 3,731, Open Doors said. Nigeria ranked the third "most terrorized country" in the 2018 Global Terrorism Index for the fourth consecutive year. |
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Mar 19 2019, 04:00 PM
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I did't know this until you posted it. Fresh news too, 11 hours ago.
I where can ask for prayers for something that I don't know? Please pray |
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Mar 20 2019, 08:28 AM
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Mar 19 2019, 04:00 PM) I did't know this until you posted it. Fresh news too, 11 hours ago. Christians are the biggest persecuted group. I where can ask for prayers for something that I don't know? Please pray They do not normally report these, especially in black Africa. We have to pray for them in Africa, China, middle east, etc. Lots of Martyrs. Lord, have mercy! |
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Mar 20 2019, 06:22 PM
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Dear all,
Please include penguin in your prayers Pray that strongholds are teared down & chains fall off. Shalom |
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Mar 21 2019, 08:22 AM
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Sylar need prayers
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QUOTE(Mr. WongSF @ Mar 20 2019, 06:22 PM) Dear all, Before praying for me you might consider doing what is suggested in 8:30 mark of this videoPlease include penguin in your prayers Pray that strongholds are teared down & chains fall off. Shalom In fact, I will take back everything I said about you and apologize to you if you do that. You can pray for me after that. Of course, that person in the video is trying to prove that falsehood about charismatic tongues but then at the same time, we do not really like you very much. John 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth. This post has been edited by sylar111: Mar 21 2019, 06:01 PM |
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Catholic is the true teaching ?
Which one is the truth ? |
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Mar 22 2019, 03:15 AM
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Mar 21 2019, 05:53 PM) snip* ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- thomasthai Fire is not always bad. Cleansing & purifying/refiner's fire is good 'Destroying fire' at the end when the tares are burnt at the judgment, is bad. Thank you & God bless! |
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https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2019...re-chinese.html
The Chinese National People’s Congress, China’s legislature, convened at the beginning of the month in Beijing, and Premier Li Keqiang delivered his annual work report speech. According to the National Catholic Reporter, he reiterated the government’s commitment to “fully implement the [Communist] Party’s fundamental policy on religious affairs and uphold the sinicization of religion in China.” The following week, Xu Xiaohong, chairman of the National Committee of the Three-Self Patriotic Movement, which oversees Protestant Christianity in China, spoke on his support for the policy and vowed to press on with its own five-year sinicization plan. Xu claimed that anti-China forces were using Christianity to subvert state power. “[We] must recognize that Chinese churches are surnamed ‘China’, not ‘the West,’” he told delegates to the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference. “The actions by anti-China forces that attempt to affect our social stability or even subvert the regime of our country are doomed to fail.” |
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Mar 23 2019, 04:16 AM
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To unknown warrior. Regarding your post:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE I've seen these portion is the most heavily misunderstood among christian, and has been repeated quite often. If you say that the 10 commandments are mandatory and required for salvation, how do you explain this verse then? Galatians 5:4 (NIV) - You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. Whether you like it or not, when you say; to have Eternal life, one must adhere to the 10 commandments, then Galatians 5:4 either is an error or it contradicts. It goes without saying, to adhere to 10 commandments is to be justified in the sense of righteousness and sin. Very hard to discredit and argue this isn't it?... So you're basically saying that the 10 commandments are NOT mandatory & that we do NOT need to adhere to them any longer? Got you loud & clear buddy! But the Bible says : "Therefore, anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." - Matt 5:19 “Do we then make the Law void through faith? Let it not be! But we establish the Law” - Romans 3:31 "Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he." - Prov 29:18 Now, if you say that the Pharisees thought that their 'works'/Law keeping would be sufficient to save them, & therefore, they rejected the idea of a Messiah. Then that is true. That is self-righteousness. However, for you to say that since we who are already believers in Christ, no longer need to keep the commandments, is stretching it! Are keeping the commandments considered legalistic? Can you steal (8th)? Can you murder (6th)? How about, 'do not commit adultery'(7th)? Just to name a few. You are just pushing it, with this verse. I've seen you use Gal 5:4 again & again. This verse bothers you. QUOTE The Bible has repeatedly mention the purpose of God's law is to show up one's sin. In fact in 1 Corinthians 15:56 (NIV) it says: The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. How do you explain the power of sin = law? I've seen some who tried to explain it in the past it's very hard to dissuade from the fact, God's Law empower sin. Errrmm.....obviously the objective of God's Laws is to reveal one's sinful condition. So yes, that's the point. If there are no laws put in place in the 1st place, then naturally there will be no sins either! No cause & effect. Then anything goes! Logical isn't it? Why was Noah called a preacher of 'righteousness', UNLESS the anti-deluvians were committing trangressions against God's Laws which were set in place? Just like, if you were to tell your sons, "curfew in this home starts at 10pm." But if you didn't set any boundaries, they can come home after midnight & yet, are considered, to not have broken any household law. Another example, if you go above the speed limit, you're considered as breaking the law. But if you didn't set a speed limit at 90 km/h, then doing 200km/h is not considered speeding! Get it? Gal 5:4 is not even saying what you're trying to insinuate, though you've quoted this verse countless times in the past. So your angle of argument is very, very strange. Are you saying, the more regulations we set, the more we sin? QUOTE ...I've seen some who tried to explain it in the past it's very hard to dissuade from the fact, God's Law empower sin. Au contraire, God's Law keeps us AWAY from sin! How did you even conclude that The Law empowers sin is beyond me Pls re-check the meaning of 'empower' in your dictionary. & i'm not trying to demean you. You're effectively saying that God's LAW encourages sin! In fact, God's Laws are good & healthy! They don't cause you to commit even more sins! In fact, grace empowers us NOT to sin. The Bible says : "So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good." - Romans 7:12 QUOTE Romans 3:20 (NIV) - Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin That is why that young rich ruler went away sad. This also explains why Christ said He didn't come to remove the Law but to fulfill it. The laws of God is here to stay for people who thinks they can be justified through their performance through self righteousness and through the laws of God. ???????? Errrmmm......the rich young ruler went away sad BECAUSE Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.” When the young man heard this, he went away in sorrow, because he had great wealth. - Matt 22:xx Could it be, that he was unwilling to give up his material wealth? Otherwise he would have been justified. He was disobedient! In fact, Jesus is saying the opposite of what you're suggesting! If Jesus had come to abolish the commandments, why did he tell this young man to keep them? However, Jesus told the young man in no uncertain terms that, if he expected to receive eternal life, he must keep the commandments! Jesus continues his answer to the young man: "Which ones?" [which commandments] the man inquired. Jesus replied, "Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself" - Matt.19:18-19 Likewise, the same can be said about the fishermen who threw down their nets to follow Christ. They were obedient! Come, follow Me,” Jesus said, “and I will make you fishers of men.” And at once they left their nets and followed Him. Going on from there, He saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee and his brother John. They were in a boat with their father Zebedee, mending their nets. Jesus called them, And at once they left their nets and followed Him. - Matt 4:19 Same situation with Abraham: "Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did." - James 2:21-22 See, Abraham was obedient! I just don't see how you can make the connection with Romans 3:20. Sorry, i really don't. I just can't. Again, if you begin with a presupposition, it is possible to allegorize just about anything to agree with your presupposition. I can clearly see that your preferred method of interpretation is eisegesis. You even dared to go so far, as to say: QUOTE The laws of God is here to stay for people who thinks they can be justified through their performance through self righteousness and through the laws of God. So we don't have to keep God's laws anymore, now that we are believers in Jesus Christ? Is that what you're saying? How are we justified again? According to your definition, what does 'FAITH' even mean? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE The reality is this: Every believer is NEVER perfect, will fall*, will sin here and there but the fact of the matter is, God will never depart his spirit, neither go back on His word to never reject the imperfect believer. Oh grace preacher, i implore you to not be terribly one-sided & extremist with your views, lest you get so blind-sided & misrepresent the gospel! It very much depends on where you draw the line/definition on "never perfect", "imperfect believer" & "will fall". & also your definition of "sin". But if you're not talking about 'sinless perfection', but rather, are referring to habitual, willful, and premeditated sin, then it's fine. Then we're in agreement. Otherwise.... God will only keep His side of the bargain, so long as we keep ours. That is what a bilateral covenant mean. Your teachings always only quote scriptures which support one side of the agreement, which is all of God's promises to us. You never mention about what we need to fulfill on our side. It's a conditional salvation. I've made this point to you many times. Not so sure if i agree with your green highlighted*, because in the Bible, David said, after he had slept with Bathsheba & murdered Uriah : "Do not cast me away from Your presence And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me. Do not banish me from your presence, and don’t take your Holy Spirit from me" - Psalm 51:11 and also, "Quench not the Spirit." - 1 Thessalonians 5:19 What happens when you quench a fire with water? It extinguishes. If you stifle someone, if you ignore your conscience repeatedly, etc. "And Jesus said to him, No man, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." - Luke 9:62 "holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and thereby shipwrecked their faith. Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander,..." - 1st Tim 1:19-20 "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." - Matt 5:48 "Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall* by the same sort of disobedience." - Heb 4:11 "As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct." -1 PXX forgot... "Pursue peace with all men, as well as holiness, without which, no one will see the Lord." - Heb 12:14 "Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy." - 1st Peter 1:16 Please understand this is not personal, and I’m not trying to correct for the sake of ego, or arguing for argument’s sake. I’m putting in this disclaimer because I take issue with some of the points you tried to make. I believe you are a sincere believer in Jesus, but I do not think your comments should stand unchallenged. #nolegalism edit : While the Mosaic Laws are no longer in effect, not a tittle or jot of the Moral Laws have been done away with. For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. - Matt 5:18 The spiritual laws called the 10 cmmdmts are to be kept! & that includes the 4th cmmndmt This post has been edited by Mr. WongSF: Mar 23 2019, 06:05 AM |
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Mar 23 2019, 12:14 PM
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Grace of God is not easily understood for people who are infant in the matters of righteousness.
*the reason why Christ gave the law is to bring the rich young ruler to the end of himself, reason being it's meant to abandon all hope/confidence in his own performances to the law because no one can adhere God's law perfectly. Only Christ can. ** enough of you trying to fight, you are really an immature child. This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Mar 23 2019, 12:23 PM |
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Mar 24 2019, 11:16 AM
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QUOTE(JordanZire @ Mar 24 2019, 10:47 AM) Muslim: apakah yesus putra mary? Kristen: ya Go learn about what is Trinity first, and you will get most of your queries solved.Muslim: siapa yang menciptakan maryam? Kristen: tuhan Muslim: siapa tuhan? Kristen: yesus Muslim: yesus adalah putra yang diperanakkan? Kristen: ya Muslim: siapa ayahnya? Kristen: tuhan Muslim: siapa tuhan? Kristen: yesus Muslim: yesus adalah hamba tuhan? Kristen: ya Muslim: yesus mati di kayu salib? Kristen: ya Muslim: siapa yang membangkitkannya? Kristen: tuhan Muslim: yesus adalah utusan? Kristen: ya Muslim: siapa yang mengirimnya? Kristen: tuhan Muslim: siapa tuhan? Kristen: yesus Muslim: apakah ibadah yesus saat di bumi? Kristen: ya Muslim: siapa yang dia sembah? Kristen: tuhan Muslim: siapa tuhan? Kristen: yesus Muslim: Apakah tuhan sudah mulai kristen: Tidak Muslim: lalu siapa yang lahir 25 Desember? Kristen: yesus Muslim: apakah tuhan yesus? Kristen: ya Muslim: dimana tuhan? Kristen: di surga Muslim: berapa banyak tuhan yang ada di surga? Kristen: satu Muslim: dimana yesus? Kristen: dia duduk di sebelah kanan ayahnya Muslim: lalu berapa banyak mereka di surga? Kristen: hanya satu tuhan Muslim: lalu berapa kursi? Kristen: satu Muslim: dimana yesus? Kristen: duduk di sebelah ayahnya Muslim Indo ask Indo Christ.. How to Answer that? |
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QUOTE(Mr. WongSF @ Mar 22 2019, 03:15 AM) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- thomasthai Fire is not always bad. Cleansing & purifying/refiner's fire is good :thumbsup: 'Destroying fire' at the end when the tares are burnt at the judgment, is bad. Thank you & God bless! Just curious, are a you a Methodist? |
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QUOTE(Mr. WongSF @ Mar 22 2019, 03:15 AM) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- thomasthai Fire is not always bad. Cleansing & purifying/refiner's fire is good :thumbsup: 'Destroying fire' at the end when the tares are burnt at the judgment, is bad. Thank you & God bless! Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Why dun you demonstrate your sign gifts then?until you do that I will consider you an idiot just like what that man in the video is implying. Have you even watched that video yet? That man in the video you showed me would consider your speaking of tongues false as, there is no interpretation. You cannot even show a proper video to defend yourself. If this is not idiocy I dunno what is by the way dun condemn me for calling you stupid because you wanted to imply that I am stupid using that video right? You were never that smart in the first place. I am sure you should have known what I felt about you a, long time ago. By the way. The Bible says Jews require a sign. Are we evangelizing to the Jews right now? No one said that the gifts had disappeared. We are talking about sign gifts. Funny how he also implies that the Bible is not the only authority. Maybe you should ask that "idiot" to read proverbs 30:6. This post has been edited by sylar111: Mar 26 2019, 05:07 AM |
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Just want to share something here.
A few weeks ago, a lady from Bethel School of Supernatural ministry got kicked out because she spoke out against the false teachers and false doctrines being taught there. She is now going all out against that church. Have a listen to her 3 hour interview here: https://apologiastudios.com/cultish/defecti...bethel-GGO_ywKP Please do consider what she experienced during her years in that cult. |
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