Good observation. Does Aquila and Priscilla correcting Apollo establish the norm that woman can correct and teach man, and thereby ignore Paul's injunction in 1 Tim 2?

Good observation. Does it mean that woman who are not married and bearing child couldn't be saved as per 1 Tim 2:15?

Parroting what John Macarthur said again?
He implied that the man of God is something special. More special then the body of Christ. He implied that there is special revelation that is given to the Man of God. In other words, they cannot be corrected. See the resemblance this man of God has to the Pope?

So are you implying that this "pastoral epistle" is only meant for pastor and not for the rest of the body of Christ. Where is this being implied?

How about you read 1 Corinthians 12. Maybe read 1 corinthians 12 and then come back to me and tell me how wrong you are.

I guess you are implying that only pastors should read 1 Corinthians 12.

That is why I am not following John Macarthur anymore. He seems to be parroting what Rome says.

https://www.scribd.com/document/240386042/J...-Gospel-of-Rome

I think he is starting to preach this way because he knows people like you do not question him anymore and so he can get away with saying anything.

You are a disgrace.

BTW. To the other guy. You actually say that woman who do not give birth cannot be saved? Wow. Shows how lost you are actually. How can you as a believer even think this way. Guess you are not really one.

Anyway.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, , if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

What make you think  Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing is refering to all woman? It's clearly talking about Eve. Jesus wasn't here at that time so God declared that Eve will be saved by childbirth.

Similar to https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...+11&version=KJV

Of course if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. is refering to how Women should behave while in congregation.

As for the "woman apostle" issue
Romans 16:7
7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me

It does not say that Junia is an apostle.

To say that Junia is an apostle shows ignorance in scripture it is incredible. How many apostles are there 12? So how can Junia be an apostle if this person was never even named within the 12.

Guess you just come here to validate the claim that a woman can be a pastor when the Bible clearly says no.

There is a major difference between correcting someone and teaching someone. It is an authority issue. Teaching is obviously more authoritative then merely correcting. Teaching is normally done towards the congregation and correcting can be done personally and in meekness. That is how a woman should approach a man if the man is wrong. In meekness and personally. Not rebuking that man in public.

It's ok. Your standard is yourself and not the bible.

PLEASE CONTINUE.

What Aquila and Priscilla did in correcting Apollo should tell you, 1 Tim 2 is not referring to women in general but wives to their husband, I've even given you the example of Juniaa who was elected an apostle carrying the highest authority in early church. What more do you want if these doesn't explain?
Which is exactly the point; IF it points to all Women, that ALL Women must be quiet and cannot teach a Man, then pray tell me what has child bearing has to do with every women, all they are married?
I submit to you, the context leads more plausible of Wives to their husband. Of course not every wife will bear a child BUT you and I know, child bearing is sanction under marriage.

Or *wink* all these presupposes there is a role called the pastor

What if, all the believers should shepherd each other mutually. After all, elder denotes the person, and overseer denotes the function.

And that sister should not define the truth with authority but be under the covering of the brothers.

Or *wink* all these presupposes there is a role called the pastor

What if, all the believers should shepherd each other mutually. After all, elder denotes the person, and overseer denotes the function.

And that sister should not define the truth with authority but be under the covering of the brothers.

I reread 1 Tim 2 according to your interpretation. I try to substitute all 'women' with wives....

starting verse 9....

from general men to wives....

several activities were mentioned

verse 9 - adorn - modest apparel - propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing

verse 10 - do good works

verse 11 - learn in silence with all submission

verse 12- do not teach and have authority over a man, but to be in silence

verse 13-15- creation order explanation by Paul
So, can i safely deduce that activities from verse 9 to 12 are only applied the context of the family?

But, whenever it comes to congregational activities, the wives are relieved of the injunction in v12, so also verse 9-11?

Universal priesthood?

Or *wink* all these presupposes there is a role called the pastor

What if, all the believers should shepherd each other mutually. After all, elder denotes the person, and overseer denotes the function.

And that sister should not define the truth with authority but be under the covering of the brothers.

Eph 4:11-16?

That is of course is true, but there are gifted men who are especially gifted in the word and preaching.

Not every man that preaches can keep the congregation from falling asleep

And all the people gathered as one man at the square which was in front of the Water Gate, and they asked Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses which the Lord had given to Israel. Then Ezra the priest brought the law before the assembly of men, women and all who could listen with understanding, on the first day of the seventh month. He read from it before the square which was in front of the Water Gate from early morning until midday, in the presence of men and women, those who could understand; and all the people were attentive to the book of the law. Ezra the scribe stood at a wooden podium which they had made for the purpose. And beside him stood Mattithiah, Shema, Anaiah, Uriah, Hilkiah, and Maaseiah on his right hand; and Pedaiah, Mishael, Malchijah, Hashum, Hashbaddanah, Zechariah and Meshullam on his left hand. Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people for he was standing above all the people; and when he opened it, all the people stood up. Then Ezra blessed the Lord the great God. And all the people answered, "Amen, Amen!" while lifting up their hands; then they bowed low and worshiped the Lord with their faces to the ground. Also Jeshua, Bani, Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodiah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, Pelaiah, the Levites, explained the law to the people while the people remained in their place. They read from the book, from the law of God, translating to give the sense so that they understood the reading.
Nehemiah 8:1‭-‬8 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/neh.8.1-8.NASB

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So are you implying that this "pastoral epistle" is only meant for pastor and not for the rest of the body of Christ. Where is this being implied?

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I guess you are implying that only pastors should read 1 Corinthians 12.

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You are a disgrace.

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Guess you just come here to validate the claim that a woman can be a pastor when the Bible clearly says no.

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Just want to add, the pattern of expository preaching actually came from the OT,

You should start with v.7 in Eph 4.

v.7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Grace actually is the divine life that both produces and supplies the gifts.  God has given grace to each one of us according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Following this, Christ gave these gifted ones to His Body. This was so not only during the apostles' age but also throughout the generations. Some became apostles, some became prophets, some became evangelists, and some became shepherds and teachers. These the Lord gives to the church for the building up of the Body of Christ (v. 8-12).

These gifted ones, the apostles, prophets, evangelists, and shepherds and teachers, are perfected by the Head, Christ; these are needed by the Body. Their work is not to build up the church directly but to perfect the saints so that they can also do the work of the ministry, to build up the Body of Christ (v. 12; 16)

Although the direction of the work of these four groups of people is different, their goal is the same, that is, the building up of the Body of Christ, yet not directly but through the perfecting of the saints.

What I am saying is controversial (muahahha), is the tradition of Christianity is to have a pastor do the preaching and a sanctified class of people do the holy work; the church is built by a clerical class, and the thousands of congregational members are not the builders.

However, the way ordained by God is carried out by a few gifted members who do not build up the church directly but perfect every saint to do their work, which is the work of the ministry, the building up of the Body of Christ. Every saints can do the work of an apostle, prophets, teachers and evangelists.

Just like your physical body.

Cheers!

Haih Bro....I think I've explain enough, not here to force you to believe my interpretation. It's not even my interpretation, it's what the Bible records. The phrase child bearing is there, there are no insignificant details in the Bible, every word has a purpose and context.

But IMO when it comes congregational activities, sure why not, woman pastor allowed to teach the congregation. If in the days of Paul, women are doing that, what's the difference today? You seem to purposely ignore what you yourself just said in the examples of Aquila and Priscilla. Sometime I just don't understand you.

Peace yo.

Well, there's the word 'given' in v7. Hence, the gift is 'given'. Then, to reconcile it with your claim (last sentence) that every saints "can do"..... can reconcile?