yesterday morning while having sent my car to car wash, saw those formations flying. damn they were fast. MKM, Bug and Hawk + Herc and Atlas and oso Tupai and Nuris.
'Submarines like BMWs': A closer look at the Singapore Navy’s newest, custom-made German submarine
SINGAPORE: More than 30m under the waters around Singapore, where light hardly penetrates the murky depths, noise is perhaps the last thing you would expect.
But the Republic of Singapore Navy’s (RSN) latest submarine, the Type 218SG, hears and senses a cacophony of chatter. Not of people, but of the 2,000 ships that sail through the Singapore Strait every day.
“Many of the boats in the world are not designed for such environments: Warm, shallow, noisy, crowded,” RSN’s head of naval operations Cheong Kwok Chien told Channel NewsAsia in an exclusive interview on Saturday (Jun 30).
“The operating environment makes a lot of difference to a submariner, and if you design a boat meant for this type of environment, you can make a lot of difference to whoever you’re up against.”
And so the RSN searched all over the world for a submarine that could replace its ageing Archer-class and Challenger-class predecessors. A submarine that could truly be made for Singapore from scratch.
“We’ve operated second-hands for 20 years,” Rear-Admiral (RADM) Cheong said of the retrofitted Swedish submarines. “Over 20 years, we’ve built up knowledge of what a submarine would be that’s designed for local waters.”In the end the Germans, masters of the submarine craft, “offered the best deal” in terms of technology, logistics, training and knowledge exchange. It has been reported that the contract for the first two Type 218SGs is worth more than 1 billion euros (S$1.6 billion).
The deal clincher? “The Germans were also very willing to listen to our requirements and change a lot of the original design to suit what we need in our waters,” RADM Cheong said.
The manufacturer, ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS), also prepared high-resolution, virtual reality goggles for Singapore officials to put on and “walk” through the submarine, allowing them to tweak even the smallest details.
“We can actually know the ergonomics,” RADM Cheong said. “For a Singaporean’s height, can I reach the top? We could also make the pathways smaller and put more equipment because we are smaller in size.”
The Defence Ministry said Singapore will get four Type 218SGs, with delivery from 2021. The programme is “progressing well”, with the first two and remaining two submarines having commenced construction and steel-cutting, respectively.
LIGHTING UP THE UNDERWATER WORLD
But perhaps the most crucial customisations are in the Type 218SG’s combat system. Its improved sonar, which listens to sounds like propeller noises and water flow, locates enemies faster and identifies them more accurately.
“That’s when digital audio recognition comes in. We will hear frequency, sound wave profiles, and compare to known sounds that we have,” RADM Cheong said. “That basically helps us light up the underwater world.”
With the waters around Singapore so shallow and congested, the Type 218SG can tell whether it’s facing a merchant ship, cruise liner or warship better than RSN’s current submarines.
“It’s like going into a disco and picking up the sweetest voice,” RADM Cheong added. “You need to be quite capable. If not you will be blasted, and in our environment everybody gets blasted.”
Once the target is locked on, then comes the torpedoes. A Type 218SG model that TKMS had displayed at an exhibition last year indicated that the submarine will be fitted with eight forward-firing torpedo tubes for heavyweight torpedoes.
The “big improvement”, however, lies in the submarine’s electronics and computers that enable fewer crew to do more with the weapons.
“If you watch the old war movies, it’s a whole bunch of people trying to hear (the enemy) then get the torpedo ready; there’s a whole lot of activity on the boat,” RADM Cheong said. “No, what we are going for now is one guy pressing a button to release the torpedo.”
Another improvement is the the Type 218SG’s air-independent propulsion (AIP) system, which RADM Cheong said is more efficient than the one in the Archer-class submarine.
The AIP allows submarines to stay underwater longer before surfacing to recharge the battery that powers its systems. The battery is charged by a diesel engine that needs air to operate.
As such, the Type 218SG can last underwater two times longer than RSN’s current submarines. “That makes the submarine even more stealthy and mysterious because it can be all over the place without coming up,” RADM Cheong said.
SHIP KILLERS
This stealth is what makes the Type 218SG so lethal, as RADM Cheong spoke in broad terms about how the submarines fit into RSN’s overall strategy.
“All over the world, submarines are what we call strategic capabilities,” he said. “Because they are stealthy, can go to a lot of places and deliver a very impactful strike. So, most navies will use the submarine to deliver these effects.”
Besides hunting ships, submarines can do surveillance, deliver special forces, unmanned underwater vehicles and high-end weapons like nuclear missiles.
“Sometimes, you have to strike at the Achilles heel of the adversary, somewhere he thinks he’s quite safe and doesn’t expect anybody to come,” RADM Cheong said, highlighting the “psychological threat” a submarine poses.
When RSN’s submariners go for exercises, they typically train some of these skills.
“It makes all the seagoers, especially people on ships, quite fearful because you don’t know where it is,” RADM Cheong added. “Surface ships dislike submarines a lot, because most egos are broken by submariners.”
In a one-on-one situation with conventional warships, RADM Cheong stated that submarines “always win”. “When the submarine hears you, with the range that it shoots, there’s not much you can do about it.”
INVISIBLE, NOT INVINCIBLE
However, submarines are not invincible. RADM Cheong pointed out that they lack speed and are prone to being spotted when they surface.
“So, these are inherent vulnerabilities,” he added. “Fast things and aircraft hunt submarines. To hunt a submarine, you must operate out of its element. If you operate in water, you must be something that it cannot or doesn’t want to kill,” for example, an unmanned underwater vessel.
Nevertheless, RADM Cheong said a good submariner can remain undetected if he knows where to position the vessel in relation to how sound waves travel underwater.
“If he exploits all these black holes underwater, nobody can hear him and he can hear everybody else,” he added. “He can be quite silent and maybe even invisible.”
For the Type 218SG, RSN’s submariners will train in simulators and abroad with their German counterparts, who RADM Cheong described as some of the best in the world. “They like to have a worthy partner to spar with,” he said. “We also take this opportunity to learn from them.”
BMW FOR SINGAPORE ROADS
RADM Cheong said the Germans were also grateful that the RSN wanted to fully customise its submarine, pointing out that they gained “a lot of interesting insights”. “They said not many customers are so forthcoming in saying that this doesn’t work.”
To that end, RADM Cheong said the Type 218SG answers a lot of challenges.
“German submarines are like BMWs, they are that class so we are very glad we decided on this class of submarine,” he added. “This new build is designed for Singapore roads, tailored to our ergonomics, size and driving range. Even the horn sounds better.”
The RSN also ensured that the internal systems, like the engine and electronics, were cost-efficient and maximised the crew’s capabilities.
“On board, every submariner you bring is a huge investment,” RADM Cheong said. “So in terms of combat fighting, you want the submarine to be able to do a lot but not by putting in a lot of people.”
In the bigger picture, RADM Cheong said this is crucial to tackle the “ever-present” threat of terrorism at sea with an increasingly constrained manpower base. The saying is that one US aircraft carrier carries more people than the number of active personnel the RSN has.
“Almost everything that we wear, eat and the energy that we consume every day comes through the sea,” he added. “So, what the Navy has done is to look at this environment and recognise that we need to defend our lifelines.”
12-man rifle squads, including a squad systems operator, commandant says
Marine Corps Commandant Robert B. Neller announced major changes to ground combat units, including the shift from a 13-man rifle squad to a 12-man squad and the addition of a squad systems operator along with transformations in the gear Marines carry.
ARLINGTON, Va. ― The Marine Corps rifle squad has lost a member but will gain a suite of capabilities in a servicewide initiative to bring powerful tools from information to precision fires to the lowest echelons of combat.
Commandant Robert B. Neller told a crowd of hundreds at the Marine Corps Association and Foundation Annual Ground Awards Dinner on Thursday that the new configuration would consist of three, three-Marine fire teams and a command element of three ― a squad leader, assistant squad leader and squad systems operator.
The systems operator will be the most tech-capable Marine in the formation, Neller said. Rather than create a new Military Occupational Specialty, the systems operator will come from the infantry ranks.
And all squad members will carry the M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle.
Each squad will have a squad designated marksman, which is set to be the M38, an accurized version of the M27. The foundational formation of the infantry will also carry a common handheld tablet, multi-channel radio and replace M203 grenade launchers with the M320 grenade launcher.
But for all the accessory weight such as night vision goggles, a sound suppressor and laser sighting tools, other areas will have to be trimmed, he said.
“Everything that Marine wears is going to be changed,” Neller said.
In recent months there had been some debate on the size of the squad and the rifles they would carry.
The sizes being considered were 11-, 12-, or 14-man arrangements, and some considered having the squad systems operator carry the M4 carbine to reduce the load, as it is a smaller, lighter weapon.
But Neller said that he decided against keeping the M4 in the squad because he didn’t want the systems operator to stand out and be easily identifiable on the battlefield.
The M4 will eventually replace the M16A4 carried by most non-infantry Marines, Neller said.
While the squad loses a number in manpower, the 13-man variation will remain on paper because as with all the equipment and formation changes that Neller announced, it must be “reversible.”
Other changes included adding drone capabilities at the rifle company level, adding engineer platoons to infantry companies and shifting the engineer squad from nine Marines to 13, he said.
The company commander will also have an intelligence operations cell and a logistics cell at his or her disposal.
Javelin and 81 mm mortar formations will get their own MRZR, a two-person all-terrain vehicle now used by recon marines.
Neller said some changes would happen as quickly as in the coming months while others would take longer, such as developments to extend precision fire ranges and add Active Protection Systems to tanks and other ground vehicles.
THERE will be no budget cuts for the three branches of the armed forces despite the revision of mega-infrastructure projects.
Defence Minister Mohamad Sabu said the Pakatan Harapan (PH) government was focused on maximising its performance.
Mohamad said the ministry was in talks with the Finance Ministry over the budget allocation for the armed forces.
“The reduction will not affect the allocation for the navy and air force, as well as the army.
“We don’t want to compromise on our security and sovereignty.”
Mohamad said the Royal Malaysian Air Force’s (RMAF) multi-role capability was provided by the F/A-18D Hornets and Su30MKM Flankers.
“However, there is an urgent need to replace the ageing MiG29N Fulcrum, the BAE Systems’ Hawks and Aermacchi MB339CM, as they are nearing the end of their lifespans (obsolescence, ageing platform and expensive to sustain and maintain),” he told the New Straits Times Press yesterday.
He said about 40 per cent of RMAF assets had been in service for more than 20 years.
“There is a need to upgrade or replace the assets to ensure RMAF stays at the cutting edge, befitting its role as the pillar of national sovereignty.”
“We (the government) are studying the MRCA (multi-role combat aircraft) programme because it is important for the country’s maritime safety. For example, the South China Sea is becoming an economic zone, about 200km from our mainland.
“Hence, we need suitable aircraft to maintain our security in that area.
“We are looking into it seriously.”
He said RMAF was formulating a transformation plan known as Capability Development 2055 (CAP55), which included new procurement, enhancements and upgrading of RMAF assets.
Mohamad said the focus of CAP55 was to ensure RMAF stayed relevant by shaping its warfighting capability to ensure threats were deterred and contained as far as possible from Malaysian territory.
RMAF is looking to replace its MiG29Ns, Hawk 108/208 and MB339CMs with Light Combat Aircraft (photo : fmkorea)
“The issues of affordability and sustainability remain the primary considerations in this development plan.
“It would be ideal if all facets of the armed forces are modernised in tandem and concurrently, but realistically, this is impossible due to the aforementioned considerations.”
Mohamad said the RMAF development plan must be prioritised according to prevailing geo-strategic environment, without losing view of the capacities required by RMAF, with consideration given to financial constraints.
He said CAP55 was focused on eliminating issues, such as having excessive variants and types of air assets in small quantities, system obsolescence, escalation of maintenance costs due to ageing platform and providing sufficient air power assets to respond to national needs.
“Based on the CAP55 planning, RMAF is looking to replace its MiG29Ns, Hawks and MB339CMs with light combat aircraft (LCA), which provide capabilities relative to that of a MRCA but at a lower cost so that it would be possible to acquire and maintain a large number of the platforms with similar operating expenditures.”
Mohamad said the focus of the LCA acquisition had always been low cost, balanced by acceptable combat performance, allowing for greater numbers at similar budget and operating expenditure.
“The LCA will be able to conduct lead-in-fighter training but satisfy the spectrum of operational combat duties expected of RMAF.
“This allows cost savings on training duration, human resource planning and aircrew development, which can be channelled back for future asset upgrade.”
Mohamad said the ministry, via RMAF was reviewing proposals from aircraft manufacturers, and a decision was expected to be made between 2025 to 2030.
For the time being, he said the government’s main focus was maritime patrol aircraft.
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THERE will be no budget cuts for the three branches of the armed forces despite the revision of mega-infrastructure projects.
Defence Minister Mohamad Sabu said the Pakatan Harapan (PH) government was focused on maximising its performance.
Mohamad said the ministry was in talks with the Finance Ministry over the budget allocation for the armed forces.
“The reduction will not affect the allocation for the navy and air force, as well as the army.
“We don’t want to compromise on our security and sovereignty.”
Mohamad said the Royal Malaysian Air Force’s (RMAF) multi-role capability was provided by the F/A-18D Hornets and Su30MKM Flankers.
“However, there is an urgent need to replace the ageing MiG29N Fulcrum, the BAE Systems’ Hawks and Aermacchi MB339CM, as they are nearing the end of their lifespans (obsolescence, ageing platform and expensive to sustain and maintain),” he told the New Straits Times Press yesterday.
He said about 40 per cent of RMAF assets had been in service for more than 20 years.
“There is a need to upgrade or replace the assets to ensure RMAF stays at the cutting edge, befitting its role as the pillar of national sovereignty.”
“We (the government) are studying the MRCA (multi-role combat aircraft) programme because it is important for the country’s maritime safety. For example, the South China Sea is becoming an economic zone, about 200km from our mainland.
“Hence, we need suitable aircraft to maintain our security in that area.
“We are looking into it seriously.”
He said RMAF was formulating a transformation plan known as Capability Development 2055 (CAP55), which included new procurement, enhancements and upgrading of RMAF assets.
Mohamad said the focus of CAP55 was to ensure RMAF stayed relevant by shaping its warfighting capability to ensure threats were deterred and contained as far as possible from Malaysian territory.
RMAF is looking to replace its MiG29Ns, Hawk 108/208 and MB339CMs with Light Combat Aircraft (photo : fmkorea)
“The issues of affordability and sustainability remain the primary considerations in this development plan.
“It would be ideal if all facets of the armed forces are modernised in tandem and concurrently, but realistically, this is impossible due to the aforementioned considerations.”
Mohamad said the RMAF development plan must be prioritised according to prevailing geo-strategic environment, without losing view of the capacities required by RMAF, with consideration given to financial constraints.
He said CAP55 was focused on eliminating issues, such as having excessive variants and types of air assets in small quantities, system obsolescence, escalation of maintenance costs due to ageing platform and providing sufficient air power assets to respond to national needs.
“Based on the CAP55 planning, RMAF is looking to replace its MiG29Ns, Hawks and MB339CMs with light combat aircraft (LCA), which provide capabilities relative to that of a MRCA but at a lower cost so that it would be possible to acquire and maintain a large number of the platforms with similar operating expenditures.”
Mohamad said the focus of the LCA acquisition had always been low cost, balanced by acceptable combat performance, allowing for greater numbers at similar budget and operating expenditure.
“The LCA will be able to conduct lead-in-fighter training but satisfy the spectrum of operational combat duties expected of RMAF.
“This allows cost savings on training duration, human resource planning and aircrew development, which can be channelled back for future asset upgrade.”
Mohamad said the ministry, via RMAF was reviewing proposals from aircraft manufacturers, and a decision was expected to be made between 2025 to 2030.
For the time being, he said the government’s main focus was maritime patrol aircraft.
I'm kinda keen to ask, since Malaysia is covered mostly by water, wouldn't it be better to fund more towards the navy and air force. (not cutting the armys budget or anything)
I'm kinda keen to ask, since Malaysia is covered mostly by water, wouldn't it be better to fund more towards the navy and air force. (not cutting the armys budget or anything)
the grunt would always the boot on the ground
U can bomb the hell out of the jungle and naval blockage and still the insurgent will survive.. Sound similar? clue.. vietnam
It the boot on ground have to the sweep and clean up operation.
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Amnesty: Indonesian forces behind unlawful killings in Papua
Indonesia's police and military are responsible for at least 95 unlawful killings in the easternmost Papua region since 2010, including targeted slayings of activists, Amnesty International said Monday, condemning a near-total absence of justice for the mainly indigenous victims.
In a report based on two years of research, Amnesty said that more than half the victims were either political activists or people taking part in peaceful protests often unrelated to the Papuan independence movement. Security forces often explain their use of deadly force in Papua as a justified response to violent separatists.
It said none of the killings was the subject of independent criminal investigation. In about a third of the cases, there was not even an internal investigation. When police or military claimed to have investigated internally, they did not make the findings public. Eight deaths were compensated with money or pigs.
The killings — nearly one a month for the past eight years — are a "serious blot" on Indonesia's human rights record, said Usman Hamid, executive director of Amnesty International Indonesia.
"This culture of impunity within the security forces must change, and those responsible for past deaths held to account," he said.
An independence movement and an armed insurgency have simmered in the formerly Dutch-controlled region since it was annexed by Indonesia in 1963. Indonesian rule has been frequently brutal, and indigenous Papuans, largely shut out of their region's economy, are poorer, sicker and more likely to die young than people elsewhere in Indonesia.
The army's spokesman in Papua province, Col. Muhammad Aidi, rejected Amnesty's report, describing it as "untrue and baseless."
"It is clearly slandering the government and trying to corner the army and police," he told The Associated Press.
Aidi claimed the rights group's investigations were "just based on interviews" and ignored the background to incidents. Amnesty's 66-page report, however, provides extensive detail and context and acknowledges that police and the military face a "complex environment" in the two Papuan provinces.
A majority of the killings documented by Amnesty were the result of unnecessary or excessive use of force during protests or law enforcement operations and unlawful acts by individual officers, it said.
Some occurred in circumstances related to the Papuan independence movement such as raising of the banned "Morning Star" independence flag or ceremonies marking significant dates.
Whatever the situation, victims were overwhelmingly male indigenous Papuans and the majority were 30 or younger.
The rights group said the government of President Joko "Jokowi" Widodo, elected in 2014, had failed to end the security forces' pervasive impunity in Papua, like all Indonesian governments before it.
Despite a promise by the newly elected Jokowi to bring to justice officers responsible for killing four people when they fired into a crowd of protesters in December 2014 in Paniai district, there has been no criminal investigation even after Indonesia's Human Rights Commission found evidence of "gross human rights violations," Amnesty said.
In that case, villagers were protesting the alleged beating of Papuan children and youths by soldiers and threw stones and wood at a police and military buildings before officers opened fire. Two witnesses saw police officers beat one of the protesters and shoot him at close range after he fell to the ground, according to the Human Rights Commission.
Jokowi's spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
His administration has released long-incarcerated Papuan political prisoners but activists say prosecutions and jailings that appear politically motivated have resumed recently.
At a news conference, Hamid faulted top security minister Wiranto, a former military chief who goes by one name, for lack of government attention to human rights abuses in Papua since he was appointed to the Cabinet in July 2016.
"We all know Wiranto has been implicated in human rights violations in East Timor in 1999," he said, referring to Indonesian military atrocities after East Timorese voted for independence in a U.N.-supervised referendum.
Amnesty said there have been 10 killings of activists from the pro-independence West Papua National Committee since 2010.
I'm kinda keen to ask, since Malaysia is covered mostly by water, wouldn't it be better to fund more towards the navy and air force. (not cutting the armys budget or anything)
Anggota tentera menggadaikan nyawa mereka demi mempertahankan negara dari segala bentuk ancaman. Malaysia ialah negara yang membeli peralatan peperangan mereka dari negara luar dan rekaan tempatan jarang sekali memasuki inventori cabang-cabang ketenteraan negara. Di eksesais ketenteraan RIMPAC 2018 (Rim of The Pasific) yang berlangsung di Hawaii, satu rekaan TLDM telah menerima pengiktirafan tertinggi.
Ciptaan yang mendapat tempat pertama ini ialah Floating DC (Damage Control) Bag. Beg kawalan kerosakan ini mengandungi kesemua peralatan yang diperlukan bagi menampak kebocoran pada kapal. Berbeza dengan kit yang digunakan sebelum ini. Flaoting DC Bag terapung bagi memudahkan proses penampalan dilakukan ketika kompartmen kapal mula dipenuhi air. Terdapat jalur pantulan bagi membolehkannya dilihat di dalam keadaan gelap. Kerana ianya terapung, ia turut boleh menjadi pelampung untuk menyelamatkan nyawa.
RIMPAC ialah eksesais ketenteraan terbesar di dunia dan dilangsungkan setiap dua tahun. Tahun ini tentera laut dari 26 negara mengambil bahagian dengan Malaysia diwakili oleh KD Lekiu. Floating DC Bag ini mengalah
now all those Opposition macai have to change their tune, start complaining that Pakatan won't increase defence budget
QUOTE(MichaelJohn @ Jul 2 2018, 02:17 PM)
I'm kinda keen to ask, since Malaysia is covered mostly by water, wouldn't it be better to fund more towards the navy and air force. (not cutting the armys budget or anything)
In other words, increase budget and only give to Navy and Air Force?
Firstly, there will be complaints of discrimination from the Army
Secondly, there really is no extra money to be had
Thirdly, patrol aircraft and boats are essential but it is cheaper to fund a company of foot soldiers especially in Msia where cost of living is cheaper and soldiers aren't that individually well-equipped
QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jul 2 2018, 02:22 PM)
I am convinced the IAR is a scam run by HK on the USMC.
It is literally an overpriced HK416.
Maybe USMC have different mods? rails etc.
They really should develop high-capacity magazines though
This post has been edited by KLboy92: Jul 3 2018, 11:51 AM
Bangladesh Air Force training plane crashes in Jashore, kills both pilots
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A training aircraft of the Bangladesh Air Force has crashed in Jashore, killing its two pilots.
The pilots have been identified as Squadron Leader Md Serajul Islam and Squadron Leader Enayet Kabir Polash.
The plane crashed at Bukbhora Baor of Chandutia village of the district around 9pm on Sunday, but the local administration did not issue a statement regarding the pilots at the time.
The deaths were later confirmed by the Inter-Services Public Relations Directorate or ISPR around midnight.
Local Union Council member Golam Mustafa said locals had heard two loud bangs and saw a plane plunging into the water and oil floating up. The policemen and air force members had begun a rescue operation as soon as the incident took place, according to the union council member.
“The rescue work was delayed by rains,” said Abul Bashar Miah, inspector (investigation) of Jashore Kotwali Police Station.
Serajul and Enayet took off on a K-8W aircraft from the BAF Base Matiur Rahman as a part of their night training.
Bad weather is cited as the main factor of plane crash, according to the ISPR statement.
Air Marshal Masihuzzaman Serniabat has visited the scene the incident, reported ISPR.
Alamgir Pathan, manager of the Jashore Airport, told bdnews24.com that, contact with the aircraft after it was in the air for a few minutes. The incident was reported immediately.
“The bodies and the parts of the aircraft were recovered at night. But the exact position of the aircraft could not be ascertained due to the bad weather. The rescue operation was suspended around 4am due to the adverse weather conditions. Naval forces and the fire service diving squad restarted the operation again in the early hours of morning,” said Jashore Kotwali Police Station Inspector Abul Bashar Miah, .
A high-rank probe committee has been formed over the incident, according to the ISPR.
Just saw Mat Sabu's interview on RTM. He said no cut, but no increase either. But he stressed it's always possible to get special funding if the Armed Forces needs it and is approved by the cabinet. Another key point was that they are looking into retiring assets that has too much maintenance costs and replace them with newer assets.
They really should develop high-capacity magazines though
The M27 IAR has nothing that the latest locally-designed M16/M4 derivatives can't do. Also, abandoning firepower for accuracy is a pretty dumb move. Modern infantry tactics are based on fire and maneuver. They are assuming their enemies would stand still enough for accuracy to be relevant. Studies show that only around 10% of ammunition expended during a firefight actually kills an enemy, with up to 80% alone spent on suppressing fire.
Mark my words, the USMC grunt in the future will literally be outgunned by their enemies.
As General Patton said;
“Fire on Infested Areas: Owing to the pernicious traditions of our known distance rifle marksmanship, we are prone to hold our fire until we see targets. In battle, these are seldom visible. When any group of soldiers is under small-arms fire, it is evident that the enemy can see them; therefore, men should be able to see the enemy, but seldom are. When this situation arises, they must fire at the portions of the hostile terrain which probably conceal enemy small-arms weapons. I know for a fact that such procedure invariably produces an effect and generally stops hostile fire. Always remember that it is much better to waste ammunition than lives. It takes at least eighteen years to produce a soldier, and only a few months to produce ammunition.
In battle, casualties vary directly with the time you are exposed to effective fire. Your own fire reduces the effectiveness and volume of the enemy’s fire, while speed of attack shortens the time of exposure....
Infantry must move in order to close with the enemy. It must shoot in order to move. When physical targets are not available, the fire of all infantry weapons must search the area occupied by enemy. Use marching fire. It reduces the accuracy of his fire and increases our confidence. Shoot short. Ricochets make nastier sounds and wounds. To halt under fire is folly. To halt under fire and not fire back is suicide. Move forward out of fire....”
The M27 IAR has nothing that the latest locally-designed M16/M4 derivatives can't do. Also, abandoning firepower for accuracy is a pretty dumb move. Modern infantry tactics are based on fire and maneuver. They are assuming their enemies would stand still enough for accuracy to be relevant. Studies show that only around 10% of ammunition expended during a firefight actually kills an enemy, with up to 80% alone spent on suppressing fire.
Mark my words, the USMC grunt in the future will literally be outgunned by their enemies. As General Patton said;
“Fire on Infested Areas: Owing to the pernicious traditions of our known distance rifle marksmanship, we are prone to hold our fire until we see targets. In battle, these are seldom visible. When any group of soldiers is under small-arms fire, it is evident that the enemy can see them; therefore, men should be able to see the enemy, but seldom are. When this situation arises, they must fire at the portions of the hostile terrain which probably conceal enemy small-arms weapons. I know for a fact that such procedure invariably produces an effect and generally stops hostile fire. Always remember that it is much better to waste ammunition than lives. It takes at least eighteen years to produce a soldier, and only a few months to produce ammunition.
In battle, casualties vary directly with the time you are exposed to effective fire. Your own fire reduces the effectiveness and volume of the enemy’s fire, while speed of attack shortens the time of exposure....
Infantry must move in order to close with the enemy. It must shoot in order to move. When physical targets are not available, the fire of all infantry weapons must search the area occupied by enemy. Use marching fire. It reduces the accuracy of his fire and increases our confidence. Shoot short. Ricochets make nastier sounds and wounds. To halt under fire is folly. To halt under fire and not fire back is suicide. Move forward out of fire....”
year the idea came about was when US went from afghan to iraq... the terrain changed, instead of mountains they went to flat ground... patrols had to be done 10-20km daily with full gear on foot (same story from m16 to m4 i believe)... that's where the m249 replacement came about, excuse? more accurate suppressive fire.. m27 was chosen then, its reliability was witnessed first hand hence due to similarities became the IAR but the m249 was not fully replaced.. a makeshift alternative is to allow a 50/100 round box to be fixed however the dynamics of the gun would then change again
year the idea came about was when US went from afghan to iraq... the terrain changed, instead of mountains they went to flat ground... patrols had to be done 10-20km daily with full gear on foot (same story from m16 to m4 i believe)... that's where the m249 replacement came about, excuse? more accurate suppressive fire.. m27 was chosen then, its reliability was witnessed first hand hence due to similarities became the IAR but the m249 was not fully replaced.. a makeshift alternative is to allow a 50/100 round box to be fixed however the dynamics of the gun would then change again
M240 is the GPMG (medium machine gun), M249 is the SAW (light machine gun). The SAW was never intended to be used as a suppressive fire machine gun in the first place, it was used to bosst the squad's level of fire.
So instead of a steady stream of bullets from a dedicated machine gun to suppress enemies, the USMC would only get short bursts of individual automatic IAR fire to suppress its enemies. Instead of the usual infantry doctrine of a single GPMG crew giving a base of fire and the rest of the squad free to maneuver, the USMC would need to dedicate a large part of the squad (who would otherwise be on the maneuver team) to suppressive fire duties only.
M240 is the GPMG (medium machine gun), M249 is the SAW (light machine gun). The SAW was never intended to be used as a suppressive fire machine gun in the first place, it was used to bosst the squad's level of fire.
So instead of a steady stream of bullets from a dedicated machine gun to suppress enemies, the USMC would only get short bursts of individual automatic IAR fire to suppress its enemies. Instead of the usual infantry doctrine of a single GPMG crew giving a base of fire and the rest of the squad free to maneuver, the USMC would need to dedicate a large part of the squad (who would otherwise be on the maneuver team) to suppressive fire duties only.
as i had mentioned before, long patrols.. nobody conventionally carries m240 on foot for long distances... at section level, m249 is the weapon for suppressive fire... you can call boost level of fire, or turbo or upgrade or whatever doesnt matter
please dont contradict yourself... gpmg vs m249.. IAR is not replacing the m240/gpmg
as i had mentioned before, long patrols.. nobody conventionally carries m240 on foot for long distances... at section level, m249 is the weapon for suppressive fire... you can call boost level of fire, or turbo or upgrade or whatever doesnt matter
please dont contradict yourself... gpmg vs m249.. IAR is not replacing the m240/gpmg
Nope, M240s are carried standard with an M16A4 as side-arm (because only officers get pistols and M4s). Belt 7.62s and 5.56s are carried by everyone with the AG carrying spare barrels
The M249 has a very bad reliability issue, unless the gunner took care of it and fired it the right way, bursts of more than 5-7 would make it jam and less than 3 also made it jam
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now all those Opposition macai have to change their tune, start complaining that Pakatan won't increase defence budget In other words, increase budget and only give to Navy and Air Force?
Firstly, there will be complaints of discrimination from the Army
Secondly, there really is no extra money to be had
Thirdly, patrol aircraft and boats are essential but it is cheaper to fund a company of foot soldiers especially in Msia where cost of living is cheaper and soldiers aren't that individually well-equipped
Maybe USMC have different mods? rails etc.
They really should develop high-capacity magazines though
M27 is the M16 while the HK416 is the M4, the USMC prefers full size rifles for it's line units. The people testing the M27 during the early 2010s said the same thing, we need volume of fire.the HK representative answer? No you're wrong
Nope, M240s are carried standard with an M16A4 as side-arm (because only officers get pistols and M4s). Belt 7.62s and 5.56s are carried by everyone with the AG carrying spare barrels
The M249 has a very bad reliability issue, unless the gunner took care of it and fired it the right way, bursts of more than 5-7 would make it jam and less than 3 also made it jam
you're right if the section is a designated machinegun section, however patrols given to rifle sections wont have m240 only m249...
The change is apparently based on the experiences of their own troops, that is, a high rate of fire doesn't produce any effective suppression on experienced troops, it is an accurate fire that produces suppression.
QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jul 4 2018, 08:00 AM)
When physical targets are not available, the fire of all infantry weapons must search the area occupied by enemy. Use marching fire. It reduces the accuracy of his fire and increases our confidence. Shoot short. Ricochets make nastier sounds and wounds.
This point is still valid. It is how to achieve suppression however that changed.
The volume of fire also will not change that much as they expect to issue each IAR man 20 x 30 rounds of ammo, and the IAR can sustain rate of fire that M16 can't and maintain accuracy at ranges which the M249 can't.
Also every IAR will include ACOG sights which I think is where a lot of the costs go. Squads will also each carry the M32 grenade launcher.
QUOTE(heavyduty @ Jul 4 2018, 07:41 PM)
M27 is the M16 while the HK416 is the M4, the USMC prefers full size rifles for it's line units. The people testing the M27 during the early 2010s said the same thing, we need volume of fire.the HK representative answer? No you're wrong
Army prefer volume Marine claims accuracy is more important - that is the theory underlying these changes
What do you think?
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The change is apparently based on the experiences of their own troops, that is, a high rate of fire doesn't produce any effective suppression on experienced troops, it is an accurate fire that produces suppression. This point is still valid. It is how to achieve suppression however that changed.
The volume of fire also will not change that much as they expect to issue each IAR man 20 x 30 rounds of ammo, and the IAR can sustain rate of fire that M16 can't and maintain accuracy at ranges which the M249 can't.
Also every IAR will include ACOG sights which I think is where a lot of the costs go. Squads will also each carry the M32 grenade launcher. Army prefer volume Marine claims accuracy is more important - that is the theory underlying these changes
What do you think?
Every marine spends maybe 120 hours training with a rifle while a soldier spends 20 hours in basic training, the army has too many people to do what the USMC does.the USMC has always been infantry-centric, everything revolves around the rifleman but the army doesn't expect a cook or an accountant to be good shooters
The M4 transition took such a long time because of the rifleman mentality, Marines needed a 'real' rifle not a carbine but now every marine in a line unit gets an M4. M16 is relegated to the rear units.
The quality of marine recruits are also better now, better training and smarter. The recruits of old weren't trusted with automatic fire so they get stupid 3 round bursts. The M27 reflects the Marine of the future I guess
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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Jul 5 2018, 02:35 PM)
do they know how much money they need for that??
they have much more pressing matters to be concerned about.. like rebels capturing towns on regular basis 2nd marawi averted..
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Philippine troops retake town after 12-hour standoff with Islamists
MANILA (Reuters) - Philippine soldiers backed by armoured vehicles have retaken a southern town held for 12 hours by pro-Islamic State militants, the army said on Wednesday, with four rebels killed in urban clashes reminiscent of a five-month siege last year.
The clashes followed warnings by President Rodrigo Duterte that remnants of pro-Islamic State militant groups had been recruiting and still planning attacks on several southern cities to set up an independent and separate Islamic state.
Troops pursued militants from the Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters (BIFF) group, who fled to the hills after trying to occupy a marshland town, Lieutenant-Colonel Harold Cabunoc, an army battalion commander, said in a statement.
The military will continue to “disrupt the BIFF’s plan to sow terror in communities” in the troubled south, Cabunoc said.
There was no immediate comment from the Islamist militants’ group.
Hundreds of residents have remained in shelter areas and not been allowed to return home after troops retrieved improvised explosive devices and other booby traps in the town of Datu Paglas.
Cabunoc said four Islamist militants were killed and two others were wounded. A soldier and a local militia official were also wounded.
The army said the Datu Paglas attack could be a test case, since the area was near the militants’ marshland base.
Since March, the military has shifted its combat operations from Marawi, a battered lakeside town in Mindanao embroiled in last year’s five-month conflict, to the island’s marshes where other pro-Islamic State militants operate.
More than 40 BIFF militants have been killed in the last four months by troops in air and ground assaults the military described as preemptive moves to thwart militant attacks on cities.
Why you guys love to talk about guns and bombs so much? You know what they are used for right? 80% of war casualties are civilians.
They talk about this.....but do they talk about using this to bomb here & there??? Its purposely for the deterrence & assurance of the country. Prep for war is to deter others to take advantage on u... u cannot run away from the natural behavior of human. They like to fight since human was 1st created.
they have much more pressing matters to be concerned about.. like rebels capturing towns on regular basis
agree...the militant from Philippines really make threat to Malaysia and Indonesia. they need to solve that before anything else.
QUOTE(LonelyHart16 @ Jul 6 2018, 01:33 AM)
Why you guys love to talk about guns and bombs so much? You know what they are used for right? 80% of war casualties are civilians.
we can call it assurance or insurance. it makes others thinks carefully before messes with our country because we have specific abilities and skills. we may try to avoid civilians casualties but the enemy will not do that. their objective is maximum impact.
CNN Indonesia coverage of the launching of Indonesian Navy new Bintuni Class LST KRI Teluk Lada-521. This is the fourth Bintuni Class LST. Three more are currently under contruction at PT Daya Radar Utama Shipyard in Lampung. The Indonesian Navy plan to have a total of 12 units Bintuni Class LST.
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Thai cave rescue: Former Navy diver dies while exiting flooded tunnels
A former Thai Navy diver who had volunteered to help rescue 12 boys and their coach from a cave in northern Thailand has died, according to government officials.
Former Sgt. Samarn Kunan, an ex-SEAL, died at 2:00 a.m. Friday local time (2 p.m. Thursday ET) due to a lack of air while attempting to return to a command center deep underground, Deputy Governor Passakorn Boonyalak said. The command center is located two kilometers (1.2 miles) inside the cave, where the young soccer team and their coach have been trapped for almost two weeks.
Kunan, who was in his mid-30s, was returning from delivering oxygen tanks to the cavern where the boys when are he ran out of air while underwater. "Diving is always full of risks," Navy SEAL chief Rear Adm. Aphakorn Yookongkaew said. "He may have passed out," causing him to drown, "but we have to wait for the autopsy," he added. A military aircraft will carry Unan's body from Chiang Rai to Satthahip Navy Base Friday evening. A funeral service will take place there, and then at his home town in the province of Roi Et, northern Thailand.
Thai Army Cessna on routine patrol plunges in Thai-Myanmar border area
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An Army Cessna 182 light aeroplane on a routine air patrol with four officers on-board, on Thursday crashed in a remote area in Mae Hong Son province four kilometres from the Myanmar border.
The fate of the officers onboard was unknown at press time.The cause of the aircraft’s crash in Muang district – reportedly during “open sky” conditions – is under investigation, said Third Region Army commander Lt-General Vijak Siribansop.
The four officers onboard were identified as two pilots – Lieutenant Nareupol Pookthong and Lieutenant Wiroj Taengkratok – and two officers – Lieutenant Khemarat Doungkaew and Sgt-Major 1st Class Chatchanan Kheunkaew.
A source at the 7th Infantry Regiment’s Special Task Force, which dispatched a helicopter to scout the target area, spotted the crashed aircraft on a mountainous area near Ban Huai Sai Khao in Tambon Huai Pha of Muang district at about 5pm.
Officers were dispatched to the crash site to deliver aid but had not yet reached it as of press time.
The six-seater aeroplane had gone off the radar around 11am in the Thai-Myanmar border area in the province’s Pang Mapha district, prompting the army unit’s search.
An earlier attempt to locate the missing plane also led to a request to the Shan State Army to search their territory in Loi Tai Lang, Myanmar, opposite to the province’s Tambon Pang Mapha.
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Thai cave rescue: Former Navy diver dies while exiting flooded tunnels
A former Thai Navy diver who had volunteered to help rescue 12 boys and their coach from a cave in northern Thailand has died, according to government officials.
Former Sgt. Samarn Kunan, an ex-SEAL, died at 2:00 a.m. Friday local time (2 p.m. Thursday ET) due to a lack of air while attempting to return to a command center deep underground, Deputy Governor Passakorn Boonyalak said. The command center is located two kilometers (1.2 miles) inside the cave, where the young soccer team and their coach have been trapped for almost two weeks.
Kunan, who was in his mid-30s, was returning from delivering oxygen tanks to the cavern where the boys when are he ran out of air while underwater. "Diving is always full of risks," Navy SEAL chief Rear Adm. Aphakorn Yookongkaew said. "He may have passed out," causing him to drown, "but we have to wait for the autopsy," he added. A military aircraft will carry Unan's body from Chiang Rai to Satthahip Navy Base Friday evening. A funeral service will take place there, and then at his home town in the province of Roi Et, northern Thailand.
Thai cave rescue: Former Navy diver dies while exiting flooded tunnels
A former Thai Navy diver who had volunteered to help rescue 12 boys and their coach from a cave in northern Thailand has died, according to government officials.
Former Sgt. Samarn Kunan, an ex-SEAL, died at 2:00 a.m. Friday local time (2 p.m. Thursday ET) due to a lack of air while attempting to return to a command center deep underground, Deputy Governor Passakorn Boonyalak said. The command center is located two kilometers (1.2 miles) inside the cave, where the young soccer team and their coach have been trapped for almost two weeks.
Kunan, who was in his mid-30s, was returning from delivering oxygen tanks to the cavern where the boys when are he ran out of air while underwater. "Diving is always full of risks," Navy SEAL chief Rear Adm. Aphakorn Yookongkaew said. "He may have passed out," causing him to drown, "but we have to wait for the autopsy," he added. A military aircraft will carry Unan's body from Chiang Rai to Satthahip Navy Base Friday evening. A funeral service will take place there, and then at his home town in the province of Roi Et, northern Thailand.
Pilot dies in fighter jet crash in northern Poland
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A MiG-29 fighter jet crashed near the town of Pasłęk in northern Poland in the early hours of Friday, public broadcaster Polish Radio's IAR news agency reported.
Krzysztof Sobków, from the Government Security Centre, told IAR that the pilot died in the crash.
The causes of the tragic incident at around 2 am CET were not immediately known, IAR said.
The aircraft, which was part of the 22nd Tactical Air Base in the town of Malbork, hit the ground and burst into flames, the news agency reported.
The pilot had ejected from the plane some 18 km from Malbork but was found dead near the wreckage.
Poland’s air force fleet includes 31 MiG-29 fighter jets, some of which entered into service in 1989.
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The French armed forces conducted a rifle evaluation and trial to replace the FAMAS, and selected the HK416F as its primary firearm in 2016.[20][21] Of the 93,080 rifles, 54,575 will be a "short" version with an 280 mm (11 in) barrel weighing 3.7 kg (8.2 lb) without the ability to use a grenade launcher, and 38,505 will be a "standard" version with a 368 mm (14.5 in) barrel weighing 4 kg (8.8 lb), of which 14,915 will take FÉLIN attachments; standard rifles will be supplied with 10,767 HK269F grenade launchers. 5,000 units are supposed to be delivered in 2017, half of the order delivered by 2022, and the order fulfilled by 2028.[22] The first batch of 400 rifles was delivered on 3 May 2017.[23]
Wtf? main assault rifle 11 inches barrel only? any military ppl can weigh in here
for cqb, too use to short rifles... anyway, this wont be the final purchase.. just the first round for early adoption... later might all be standard length
Thai cave rescue: Former Navy diver dies while exiting flooded tunnels
A former Thai Navy diver who had volunteered to help rescue 12 boys and their coach from a cave in northern Thailand has died, according to government officials.
Former Sgt. Samarn Kunan, an ex-SEAL, died at 2:00 a.m. Friday local time (2 p.m. Thursday ET) due to a lack of air while attempting to return to a command center deep underground, Deputy Governor Passakorn Boonyalak said. The command center is located two kilometers (1.2 miles) inside the cave, where the young soccer team and their coach have been trapped for almost two weeks.
Kunan, who was in his mid-30s, was returning from delivering oxygen tanks to the cavern where the boys when are he ran out of air while underwater. "Diving is always full of risks," Navy SEAL chief Rear Adm. Aphakorn Yookongkaew said. "He may have passed out," causing him to drown, "but we have to wait for the autopsy," he added. A military aircraft will carry Unan's body from Chiang Rai to Satthahip Navy Base Friday evening. A funeral service will take place there, and then at his home town in the province of Roi Et, northern Thailand.
Pilot Killed In Romanian Air Force MiG-21 LanceR Jet Crash During Borcea Open Day
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A MiG-21 has crashed at 86th Base during Borcea Open Day. Pilot has died.
A Romanian Air Force MiG-21 LanceR has crashed at around 13.30 LT on Jul. 7 at Base 86 Borcea during Borcea Open Day.
The pilot, initially reported as ejected from the aircraft, has been declared dead in the accident.
The MiG 21 LanceR is the upgraded avionics and weapons systems version of the MiG 21 Fishbed, developed by Elbit Systems and Aerostar Bacău for the Romanian Air Force.
The first LanceR flew in 1996 and was a LanceR A version.
The Romanian MiG 21 LanceR fleet is split between the 71st Air Base Câmpia Turzii and the 86th Air Base Borcea-Feteşti.
Their main mission is to provide QRA (Quick Reaction Alert) duties under the NATO control network by way of the Combined Air Operations Center in Torrejon.
Any good book about basic military tactics for me to read? I am currently reading sun tsu art of war.
Carl von Clausewitz - On War Rupert Smith - The Utility of Force Mao Zedong - On Guerilla Warfare Alfred Thayer Mahan - The Influence of Sea Power upon History 1660-1783 Ian Speller - Understanding Naval Warfare *updated list
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Indonesian Army Kostrad 1st Cavalry Battalion Leopard 2RI MBT live firing during boresighting and zeroing exercise. Five units Leopard 2RI and four units Leopard 2A4 MBTs took part in this exercise using four type of ammunitions DM 11, DM 53, DM 78 and RH 88.
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‘Insider Attack’ Kills U.S. Service Member in Afghanistan
KABUL, Afghanistan — An American service member was killed and two others were wounded in southern Afghanistan on Saturday in what officials described as an “apparent insider attack.”
The United States military, announcing the death in a statement, did not provide further details. The wounded service members were in stable condition, the military said. The name of the soldier who was killed was being withheld so the next of kin could be notified.
An American military officer familiar with the attack said it had occurred at a small base in Tarinkot, a town in Uruzgan Province, where roughly 150 soldiers who are stationed in Kandahar often rotate through to train Afghan soldiers. The outpost is one of several in the country where the Army’s Security Force Assistance Brigade is stationed. The unit — tasked with training and assisting the Afghan National Army — is one of the leading elements of the Trump administration’s new strategy in Afghanistan.
The death, the third American military fatality in Afghanistan this year, was a reminder that United States soldiers remain in the line of fire, although the war is now largely fought by Afghan security forces backed by American air power. It also offered a reminder that insider attacks, also known as green-on-blue attacks, have been a recurring problem in Afghanistan, carried out by Afghan security forces loyal to the Taliban or harboring grievances against American troops. About 150 troops from the American-led coalition have been killed in such attacks during the nearly 17-year-old war, according to data from the United States military, with the number of the attacks peaking in 2012.
The assault on Saturday is the first insider attack of 2018 against American troops, roughly 14,000 of whom are stationed in Afghanistan. In 2017, there were three such attacks on American forces and one against Romanian troops. In June of that year, three United States soldiers were killed in Nangarhar Province when an Afghan commando opened fire at a small outpost used in the battle against Islamic State militants.
U can bomb the hell out of the jungle and naval blockage and still the insurgent will survive.. Sound similar? clue.. vietnam
It the boot on ground have to the sweep and clean up operation.
QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Jul 3 2018, 11:51 AM)
now all those Opposition macai have to change their tune, start complaining that Pakatan won't increase defence budget In other words, increase budget and only give to Navy and Air Force?
Firstly, there will be complaints of discrimination from the Army
Secondly, there really is no extra money to be had
Thirdly, patrol aircraft and boats are essential but it is cheaper to fund a company of foot soldiers especially in Msia where cost of living is cheaper and soldiers aren't that individually well-equipped
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Argentina considers resuming nuclear submarine project
Santiago Rivas - Jane's Navy International 06 July 2018
Following the loss of Argentina’s TR 1700-class diesel-electric submarine (SSK) ARA San Juan in November 2017, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) is considering restarting construction of sister vessel ARA Santa Fe and competing it as a nuclear variant, the Argentine Congress was informed on 3 July.
San Juan was one of two German-built TR 1700 submarines delivered in the 1980s that formed the core of the Argentine submarine force. The second boat, ARA Santa Cruz , is currently undergoing an extended refit that is expected to be completed in late 2019/early 2020.
Construction on third boat Santa Fe began in the 1980s but was suspended in the early 1990s when it was 70% complete.
Defence Minister Mohamad Sabu yesterday soared high in a Sukhoi Su-30 MKM jet.
Evidently excited, the minister shared on his Facebook page:“Penerbangan pesawat pejuang TUDM bersama dengan juruterbang pesawat Sukhoi Su30-MKM (M52-14), Lt Col Jasmi. Satu pengalaman baru hari ini. (Flying with pilot Lt Col Jasmi in RMAF fighter aircraft Sukhoi Su30-MKM pilot (M52-14). A new experience today.)”
According to the Royal Malaysian Air Force’s Facebook account, the trip was made during his official visit to Gong Kedak air base in Kelantan.
He was accompanied by Armed Forces chief General Tan Sri Zulkifli Zainal Abidin and RMAF deputy chief Lieutenant General Datuk Seri Ackbal Abdul Samad.
Also present was air base commander Brigadier General Datuk Suhaimi Hussain.
His post garnered various reactions from netizens including calls urging the government to improve the country’s air assets.
Zam Hassan said: “Hope that the Defence Minister will strengthen our air defence. Focus should be given to acquisition of maritime patrol aircraft that can for a well-coordinated defence system.
Faizal Sahpri said: “Hope Defence Ministry will add more jet fighter and weapons. Look at Sweden and Switzerland, although they are neutral, but they are well-equipped. Prevention is better than cure.”
Zam Hassan said: “Hope that the Defence Minister will strengthen our air defence. Focus should be given to acquisition of maritime patrol aircraft that can for a well-coordinated defence system.
Faizal Sahpri said: “Hope Defence Ministry will add more jet fighter and weapons. Look at Sweden and Switzerland, although they are neutral, but they are well-equipped. Prevention is better than cure.”
agree with those words. hope to see an increase in asset and budget. hope nobody stupid in new govt suggesting we in a peace time and no need of increase budget or add asset. so RMAF really lobbying for something huh.....good job
agree with those words. hope to see an increase in asset and budget. hope nobody stupid in new govt suggesting we in a peace time and no need of increase budget or add asset. so RMAF really lobbying for something huh.....good job
A better option is to overhaul the asset acquisition procedures.
Current system uses a lot middlemen, local affiliates and intermediaries, so we pay millions out on commissions and agency fees to these people on top of the assets price itself. Money which can better be used purchasing assets.
A better option is to overhaul the asset acquisition procedures.
Current system uses a lot middlemen, local affiliates and intermediaries, so we pay millions out on commissions and agency fees to these people on top of the assets price itself. Money which can better be used purchasing assets.
overhaul,upgrade or maintenance is a must. our hawk and c130 need those immediately. still new asset is needed.
about middleman,i have no idea. we pay those company/agency so they could support us and build technology but the money is ciput and the market was monopoly by big company. we cant even compete with Thailand let alone Singapore on those field. some said they 'eat'/'rasuah' the money but i have no idea about that(some can said but the evidence is needed). we wait for the new govt to investigate those. new govt does said they want transparency so we can expect those now. govt and govt deal will also be made since some said it was in nego when new govt was winning election.
A better option is to overhaul the asset acquisition procedures.
Current system uses a lot middlemen, local affiliates and intermediaries, so we pay millions out on commissions and agency fees to these people on top of the assets price itself. Money which can better be used purchasing assets.
middlemen and direct nego purchaese has made mindef as 'lubok songlap'...hopefully this antics will be wiped out and a better acquisition process can be implemented
Carl von Clausewitz - On War Rupert Smith - The Utility of Force Mao Zedong - On Guerilla Warfare Alfred Thayer Mahan - The Influence of Sea Power upon History 1660-1783 Ian Speller - Understanding Naval Warfare *updated list
Aiya ini buku-buku cerita philosophy of warfare. You won't learn about small unit tactics by reading Sun Tzu.
Canada Loses All Hope of Finding Buyers for Its Outdated Tanks
19:52 08.07.2018
Canada's Leopard tanks were replaced with the more modern Leopard 2, but finding buyers for the old ones has proved to be difficult, especially due to the limitations imposed by the country.
The Canadian military has given up on its idea to sell its 50 decommissioned Leopard 1C2 battle tanks, which were rendered unnecessary after the army moved on to the Leopard 2, Global News reported. Department of National Defense spokesman Daniel Le Bouthillier said in a statement that no buyers had been found for the outdated vehicles and the department is now looking into "alternate disposal methods."
According to the media outlet, the military reportedly tried to sell them to Jordan in February this year, but judging by the recent statement of the defense department, their efforts ultimately failed. Rob Huebert, a senior researcher at the Centre for Military and Strategic Analysis at the University of Calgary noted in an interview with Canadian media that the list of potential buyers was rather short due to Canada's policy not to sell weapons to "problematic countries."
The Department of National Defense spokesman said that 11 of the Leopard 1C2 tanks will be given to museums as a tribute to Canada's military history, while the fate of the others is yet to be determined. It is possible, that they will be used as targets in firing practice for the Leopard 2s or they could be just destroyed, he added.
Aiya ini buku-buku cerita philosophy of warfare. You won't learn about small unit tactics by reading Sun Tzu.
Books like this one is much better:
My bad. But not sure if these field manuals are accessible to civvies, apart from those generic publications by US Army Publishing Directorate.. Doubt these publications will go in-depth with their uni-level tactical maneuver, but I might be wrong.
Why a powerful Indonesia could influence Australia's future more than China
THE WORLD BY MICHAEL WALSH EARLIER TODAY AT 3:30AM
If its economy continues to grow at its current rate, Indonesia will become one of the most powerful nations in the world in coming decades.
Key points: • Indonesia could become the fourth largest economy in the world by 2050 • Strategist Hugh White says a powerful Indonesia could help limit China's influence • He said having strong ties with Indonesia would be a strategic asset to Australia
But while China's rise has loomed large in Australian foreign policy thinking, our northern neighbour's growing fortunes hardly seem to register.
Strategist Hugh White from the Australian National University has discussed what these developments could mean for Australia in a lead essay for the latest edition of Australian Foreign Affairs magazine.
"Indonesia, our next door neighbour, is going end up being a very rich and therefore very powerful country. And we haven't really thought about what to make of that," Professor White told the ABC's The World program.
Professor White says the Australian Government currently estimates that Indonesia's economy will be three times the size of ours by 2030, and may even become the fourth largest in the world by 2050.
"Indonesia's a funny economy because in some ways it looks very disorganised — it's got a lot of corruption, it's got a bad legal system and a lot of nationalism that can inhibit trade," he said.
"But the fact is that for a long time now, it's been growing at an average of 5 or 6 per cent per annum, and there doesn't seem much reason not to expect it to keep on doing that."
Could Indonesia help balance out China worries?
Professor White said there were two main ways to look at Indonesia's growth: as a potential threat, or as a potential strategic asset in a region where power dynamics are beginning to shift in China's favour.
"We've traditionally seen Indonesia as a very difficult neighbour, very close and potentially threatening to Australia," he said.
"In many ways Australian defence policy for decades has focused very strongly on the possibility of some sort of conflict with Indonesia."
My bad. But not sure if these field manuals are accessible to civvies, apart from those generic publications by US Army Publishing Directorate.. Doubt these publications will go in-depth with their uni-level tactical maneuver, but I might be wrong.
To be fair, military tactics everywhere are, on paper, very generic but as far as I can tell, the best tactics are the simple ones which soldiers on the ground can follow without much confusion.
Indeed, much more important than than pure theoretical tactics are the discipline & bravery of soldiers to carry out their orders and the creativity & quick thinking needed by junior officers to come up with an alternative plan when the tactic devised earlier isn't working out in battle. Strict battle orders & timetables are usually inevitably hampered by military realities and by giving junior officers on the ground some flexibility in their orders as regarding to the objective is much better doctrine.
As von Moltke said: "No battle plan survives its first contact with the enemy".
To be fair, military tactics everywhere are, on paper, very generic but as far as I can tell, the best tactics are the simple ones which soldiers on the ground can follow without much confusion.
Indeed, much more important than than pure theoretical tactics are the discipline & bravery of soldiers to carry out their orders and the creativity & quick thinking needed by junior officers to come up with an alternative plan when the tactic devised earlier isn't working out in battle. Strict battle orders & timetables are usually inevitably hampered by military realities and by giving junior officers on the ground some flexibility in their orders as regarding to the objective is much better doctrine.
As von Moltke said: "No battle plan survives its first contact with the enemy".
True. I always wonder though, the effects of network-centric warfare, and to what extent it may or may not lead to micro-management. At one point, iirc, I've read that unit-level decision-making autonomy is one of the factors why the IDF forces prevailed against the neighbouring Arab armies that emphasise too much on hierarchy & chain of command.
True. I always wonder though, the effects of network-centric warfare, and to what extent it may or may not lead to micro-management. At one point, iirc, I've read that unit-level decision-making autonomy is one of the factors why the IDF forces prevailed against the neighbouring Arab armies that emphasise too much on hierarchy & chain of command.
That and a lot more reasons.
Anyway, one of the best examples of lower-level command autonomy was first successfully implemented by the post-napoleonic era Prussians following the philosophies of Scahrnhost, Clausewitz and von Moltke in the form of Auftragstaktik (literally Mission Tactics, or better translated as 'Tactics focused on accomplishing the task/mission').
Under the Auftragstaktik system the selection of combat formations, as well as their route and rate of advance, was based upon a unit's mission, the terrain and the enemy's disposition, something Napoleon was renowned for doing. Building a high level of trust, competency and understanding is crucial for the success of such a doctrine. The freedoms this might imply have challenged many armies' views of military discipline during the time, including the Prussian army's.
Auftragstaktik encourages commanders to exhibit initiative, flexibility and improvisation while in command. Auftragstaktik does not, of course, allow a commander to actually disobey orders, but it does allow (what may be seen as surprising by some) - and even demand - that he considers an order no longer binding if it wouldn't be given in the changed situation (according to his own judgment); only the intent of the higher commander must be maintained.
This demands, of course, that junior officers and ncos - rarely private ranks - both have the skill and also the self-confidence to treat the order accordingly. A sub-leader whose first fear is to be lectured by his superior, and hence cannot bring himself to do anything else with orders than execute them to the letter, is not capable of Auftragstaktik.
During the 1939 German campaign in Poland international observers found that "The emphasis which the Germans placed on the development of leadership and initiative in commanders during years of preparatory training brought its rewards in the Polish campaign. With confidence that these principles had been properly inculcated, all commanders, from the highest to the lowest echelons, felt free to carry out their missions or meet changes in situations with a minimum of interference by higher commanders." They recognized that "initiative, flexibility and mobility" were the essential aspects of German tactics.
What’s in the Indonesia Navy’s New Tank Landing Ship?
Late last month, Indonesia officially announced the launch of a new tank landing ship in a ceremony attended by top officials and representatives. The scheduled event marked an advance within one of several platforms that Indonesia is building out as part of its wider military modernization effort, despite the continued challenges that remain on this front for the Southeast Asian state.
As I have noted before in these pages, Indonesia has long been engaged in an effort to strengthen the country’s maritime capabilities to address a wide range of domestic and foreign challenges, in recognition of the sobering reality that it still finds it difficult to accomplish even basic tasks such as monitoring and securing what is the world’s second longest coastline. Jakarta also wants to boost the country’s nascent but growing domestic defense industry as well as it builds up its capabilities, which only compounds that challenge.
Part of that development has included tank landing ships (LST) for the Indonesian Navy (TNI-AL). Though Indonesia already has such ships in service, including the KRI Teluk Bintuni which carries the army’s Leopard main battle tanks, there have been efforts underway to build more as well. The initial plan had been for 12 new LST vessels ordered in batches over time.
On June 28, Indonesia officially announced the launch of a new tank landing ship in the latest development in the development of the LSTs. Indonesian shipbuilder PT Daya Radar Utama (DRU) launched the vessel at the company’s facilities in Bandar Lampung in Sumatra in a development that was widely reported in local media outlets.
The KRI Teluk Lada, which measures 117 meters long, 16.4 meters wide and 7.8 meters in height, boasts a top speed of 16 knots and a range of 6,240 nautical miles. It has been designed to carry not only tanks, but also helicopters along with their crew and hundreds of supporting troops.
The vessel’s launch was witnessed by several top Indonesian officials including Chief of Staff Admiral Siwi Sukma Adji and Indonesian Defense Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu. In his remarks at the launch, Ryacudu cast the development as a source of pride for the Indonesian Navy, the military, and the country more generally.
At the same time, as he has been doing in other such occasions, Ryacudu also reinforced the need for the proper maintenance of the vessel and for accountability to the Indonesian people. As I have noted before in these pages, though these factors are often missed in headlines about new capabilities, they nonetheless are major challenges for the future of Indonesia’s defense modernization efforts.
agree with those words. hope to see an increase in asset and budget. hope nobody stupid in new govt suggesting we in a peace time and no need of increase budget or add asset. so RMAF really lobbying for something huh.....good job
Why doesn't that commenter also say "look at Switzerland and Sweden public infrastructure, so much better than Msia, hope we get better funding an asset"?
Msia is behind most developed countries in A LOT of things, defence is only one area and sorry to say maybe not the most important
Msians should focus less on the arms race for sexy high tech jets etc and more on putting boots on the ground where they are needed
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True. I always wonder though, the effects of network-centric warfare, and to what extent it may or may not lead to micro-management. At one point, iirc, I've read that unit-level decision-making autonomy is one of the factors why the IDF forces prevailed against the neighbouring Arab armies that emphasise too much on hierarchy & chain of command.
There are many factors. Generally the quality of Arab soldiers in most areas is far below IDF. Even if they are given decision making autonomy it would be pointless as they wouldn't know what to do.
Why doesn't that commenter also say "look at Switzerland and Sweden public infrastructure, so much better than Msia, hope we get better funding an asset"?
Msia is behind most developed countries in A LOT of things, defence is only one area and sorry to say maybe not the most important
that is an interesting things to think. Switzerland and Sweden public infrastructure is good because of it citizen intelligence. really....mingle with them and they really deserve all those thing. now see Malaysia,dont know how many time i facepalm. i am one of first passenger of MRT and the first week,already see some passenger do shitty things. a lot of thing can be see in Malaysia(earth) like heaven and earth compare to Switzerland and Sweden(heaven).this also make me remember some higher ups who want to "better infrastructure" by introducing the apps/webs on internet where citizen/customer can log in,fill form,send and take it at office the other day only to realize most of its user was an elderly/not a millennial. spend god know how many money and get that result.really...mentality need to be change first. and most memorable was my friend who toss food package out of his car during holiday in Sweden only to be scold by some passerby "not to litter in our country" .
to me, we do need increase in asset and budget. asset is to replace old equipment which is high maintenance and also budget for manage and training. both of that have been neglected so much. so far our asset have been all gold plating(look good but not enough) so it should be change. get a simple and cheap solution but able to do the job. for example the MPA,we see Poseidon and all those expensive stuff. do we need all those or there is other alternative which is cheap but able to do the thing we need.
that is an interesting things to think. Switzerland and Sweden public infrastructure is good because of it citizen intelligence. really....mingle with them and they really deserve all those thing. now see Malaysia,dont know how many time i facepalm. i am one of first passenger of MRT and the first week,already see some passenger do shitty things. a lot of thing can be see in Malaysia(earth) like heaven and earth compare to Switzerland and Sweden(heaven).this also make me remember some higher ups who want to "better infrastructure" by introducing the apps/webs on internet where citizen/customer can log in,fill form,send and take it at office the other day only to realize most of its user was an elderly/not a millennial. spend god know how many money and get that result.really...mentality need to be change first. and most memorable was my friend who toss food package out of his car during holiday in Sweden only to be scold by some passerby "not to litter in our country" . to me, we do need increase in asset and budget. asset is to replace old equipment which is high maintenance and also budget for manage and training. both of that have been neglected so much. so far our asset have been all gold plating(look good but not enough) so it should be change. get a simple and cheap solution but able to do the job. for example the MPA,we see Poseidon and all those expensive stuff. do we need all those or there is other alternative which is cheap but able to do the thing we need.
dont compare with developed eu countries la.. those ppl are looters... compare msia with those around the region/among developing countries.. msia is not that bad ler... a lot of procurement make sense only recently jibby songlap a lot to spoil everything...
dont compare with developed eu countries la.. those ppl are looters... compare msia with those around the region/among developing countries.. msia is not that bad ler... a lot of procurement make sense only recently jibby songlap a lot to spoil everything...
yes...i know bro. i use that comparison because he use Sweden and Switzerland as example. SEA nation still improving such as Singapore,Malaysia and Brunei was among the best follow up by others.
jibby???no comment.better see the result in court. hope all those people open up and investigate about thing they said in ceramah and let justice decide.
BISHKEK, July 9 (Xinhua) -- A helicopter crashed in mountains of Kyrgyzstan's northern Issyk-Kul region on Monday, injuring four people, the press service of the country's armed forces reported.
"Today, MI-8 MTV, a helicopter of the Air Defense Forces of Kyrgyzstan crashed during a rescue operation on the South Enilchek site," it said.
The chopper was conducting an operation to rescue a Japanese climber when the accident occurred, Gulzat Jarasheva, head of the press service, told Xinhua. And the four people aboard received various injuries.
The press service statement attributed the crash to "the strong side wind during the landing" of the helicopter, which then "fell on the port side."
South Enilchek is located in the heart of the Northern Tien Shan in the headwaters of the Enilchek glacier, approximately at an altitude of 4000 meters above sea level.
More pics of the delivery arrival of 18 units M109A4-BE SPHs from Belgium for the Indonesian Army. With this delivery the Indonesian Army will have a total 36 units M109A4-BE + supporting vehicles.
French soldier killed, another wounded in a military helicopter crash
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A French soldier was killed and another seriously injured Tuesday in the crash of a military helicopter near Abidjan .
The French helicopter Aérospatiale Gazelle crashed around 17 hours in Modeste, a village located about ten kilometers east of the Ivorian economic capital, close to the coast.
According to a French military source who speaks on condition of anonymity, the helicopter belongs to the French Forces in Côte d’Ivoire (FFCI), which have a large base near Abidjan airport
The military base used in the fight against jihadist groups in the Sahel
The immediate cause of the accident is unknown.
The Accident Investigation Bureau of the transport ministry is on the scene after the incident, according to security sources.
Indonesia Ratifies Defense Pact With S. Korea, Wants to Continue Stealth Jet Project
By Robertus Wardi on 2:21 pm Jul 11, 2018 Category News , Security
Jakarta. Indonesia on Tuesday (10/07) ratified a defense cooperation agreement with South Korea, providing legal footing for continuing joint military projects, including development of the KF-X/IF-X fighter jets.
The Indonesia-Korea Defense Cooperation Law covers the exchange of military personnel, weapons, and the formation of a committee to implement it.
"This defense cooperation will preserve the good relations between the two countries and improve the welfare and the security of our nations" Asril Hamzah Tanjung, deputy chairman of House of Representatives' Commission I, which oversees defense, said on Tuesday.
Defense Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu said earlier that the law would allow the government to continue developing the 4.5 generation semi-stealth fighters.
Indonesia joined the $7.5 billion KF-X project in June 2010, by funding it in 20 percent and supplying engineers to work alongside South Koreans.
F-4 training jet crashes in southeastern Iran, 2 injured
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TEHRAN, July 11 (Xinhua) -- An Iranian F-4 training jet crashed in the southeastern province of Sistan and Baluchestan on Wednesday morning, local media reported.
The incident happened near the city of Sarbaz, leaving two pilots injured.
The two pilots ejected before the crash.
A local medical official told Tasnim that one of the pilots hurt his leg and the other sustained injuries in his neck.
S. Korea's New-Gen KF-X Fighters To Get Locally-Developed Missiles
Our Bureau 12:32 PM, July 11, 2018
South Korea’s next-generation fighter aircraft will reportedly be equipped with an indigenous, air-launched, long-range cruise missile, modelled after the Taurus KEPD 350, manufactured by the German-Swedish firm Taurus Systems, according to Defense News.
The Agency for Defense Development, or ADD, is expected to finalize a local partner company by September for exploratory development of the missile for the country’s next-generation Korea Fighter-Experimental (KF-X) program.
“As part of offset deals to buy Taurus missiles for the past years, South Korea received some part of the Taurus KEPD 350 technologies,” an ADD official was quoted as saying. “Based on the transferred Taurus technology, we’ll develop our own air-to-ground, long-range missile to be integrated into the KF-X fighter jet, which is expected to be operational by 2026”.
Hanwha Corporation and LIG Nex1 are competing for the air-to-air missile project worth some $730 million. Both companies have unveiled the concept designs of their 3,000-pound Taurus-class missile with a range of 400 kilometers.
The arms procurement agency originally preferred fitting the KF-X aircraft with U.S. weapons systems, such as Raytheon-built AIM-120 and AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles, but the U.S. government has yet to approve the export license of the missiles.
At least 120 KF-X jets are to be produced after 2026 to replace the aging fleet of F-4s and F-5s. At least 50 units are to be manufactured in Indonesia, the sole KF-X partner obliged to burden 20 percent of the development costs for the 4.5-generation KF-X jet.
Trump stuns NATO with demand to double defence spending
BRUSSELS: US President Donald Trump shocked allies at a fraught NATO summit on Wednesday (Jul 11) by suddenly demanding that members double their defence spending commitments.
Trump's surprise demand came after he clashed with Chancellor Angela Merkel, calling Germany a "captive" of Russia because of its gas links and singling out Berlin for failing to pay its way.
The summit in Brussels is shaping up as the alliance's most difficult in years, against a backdrop of deepening transatlantic tensions in fields ranging from trade to energy and defence.
NATO allies agreed at their Wales summit in 2014 to try to spend two per cent of GDP on defence within 10 years, but the White House said Trump suggested that was not enough.
"During the president's remarks today at the NATO summit he suggested that countries not only meet their commitment of two per cent of their GDP on defence spending, but that they increase it to four percent," White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders said.
"The president raised this same issue when he was at NATO last year. President Trump wants to see our allies share more of the burden and at a very minimum meet their already stated obligations."
Bulgarian President Rumen Radev confirmed that Trump had made the demand and asked what it meant for the future of the alliance that has been the bedrock of European security for 70 years.
"NATO is not a stock exchange where you can buy security. NATO is an alliance of sovereign countries united by strategic targets and common values," he told reporters.
'CAPTIVE OF RUSSIA'
All 29 NATO leaders including Trump backed a joint statement committing themselves to greater "burden sharing" and to the alliance's founding commitment that an attack on one member is an attack on them all - with no mention of the four percent.
Trump arrived on the back of a barrage of criticism of Europe on issues ranging from trade to energy and above all his claims that the continent freeloads on the back of America for its defence.
He then set the tone for the day with a blistering attack on key ally Germany at a breakfast meeting with NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg.
"Germany is a captive of Russia because it is getting so much of its energy from Russia," Trump said, taking particular aim at the proposed Nord Stream II gas pipeline, which he has previously criticised.
"Everybody's talking about it all over the world, they're saying we're paying you billions of dollars to protect you but you're paying billions of dollars to Russia."
Merkel, who grew up in communist East Germany, shot back that she knew what it meant to be under Kremlin domination and Germany had the right to make its own policy choices.
"I myself have also experienced a part of Germany being controlled by the Soviet Union," she said.
"I am very glad that we are united today in freedom as the Federal Republic of Germany and that we can therefore also make our own independent policies and make our own independent decisions."
The pair later met for a one-on-one meeting and while Trump insisted they had a "very very good relationship", their frosty body language suggested otherwise.
Merkel said she welcomed the chance to have an "exchange of views" with Trump.
'VERY DIRECT LANGUAGE'
Trump has long complained that European NATO members do not pay enough for their own defence, singling out Germany for particular criticism. Germany, Europe's biggest economy, spends just 1.24 per cent, compared with 3.5 per cent for the US.
Stoltenberg acknowledged that Trump had expressed himself in "very direct language" but insisted that away from the fiery rhetoric the allies all agree on fundamental issues: the need to boost NATO's resilience, fight terror and share the cost of defence more equally.
NATO officials and diplomats will try to promote an image of unity at the summit in the face of growing unease about the threat from Russia, but with the row between Merkel and Trump and the new spending demand mean it may prove difficult to paper over the cracks.
The mercurial tycoon said before leaving Washington that his meeting in Helsinki with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday "may be the easiest" part of his European tour, which also includes a trip to Britain, where the government is in crisis over Brexit.
Trump ramped up his rhetoric ahead of the talks, explicitly linking NATO with the transatlantic trade row by saying the EU shut out US business while expecting America to defend it.
EU President Donald Tusk stepped up to the fight with his own salvo against Trump on Tuesday, telling him to "appreciate your allies" and reminding him Washington that Europe had come to its aid following the 9/11 attacks.
European diplomats fear a repeat of last month's divisive G7 in Canada, when Trump clashed with his Western allies before meeting North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un at a summit and praising him as "very talented".
Trump stuns NATO with demand to double defence spending
BRUSSELS: US President Donald Trump shocked allies at a fraught NATO summit on Wednesday (Jul 11) by suddenly demanding that members double their defence spending commitments.
Trump's surprise demand came after he clashed with Chancellor Angela Merkel, calling Germany a "captive" of Russia because of its gas links and singling out Berlin for failing to pay its way.
The summit in Brussels is shaping up as the alliance's most difficult in years, against a backdrop of deepening transatlantic tensions in fields ranging from trade to energy and defence.
NATO allies agreed at their Wales summit in 2014 to try to spend two per cent of GDP on defence within 10 years, but the White House said Trump suggested that was not enough.
"During the president's remarks today at the NATO summit he suggested that countries not only meet their commitment of two per cent of their GDP on defence spending, but that they increase it to four percent," White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders said.
"The president raised this same issue when he was at NATO last year. President Trump wants to see our allies share more of the burden and at a very minimum meet their already stated obligations."
Bulgarian President Rumen Radev confirmed that Trump had made the demand and asked what it meant for the future of the alliance that has been the bedrock of European security for 70 years.
"NATO is not a stock exchange where you can buy security. NATO is an alliance of sovereign countries united by strategic targets and common values," he told reporters.
'CAPTIVE OF RUSSIA'
All 29 NATO leaders including Trump backed a joint statement committing themselves to greater "burden sharing" and to the alliance's founding commitment that an attack on one member is an attack on them all - with no mention of the four percent.
Trump arrived on the back of a barrage of criticism of Europe on issues ranging from trade to energy and above all his claims that the continent freeloads on the back of America for its defence.
He then set the tone for the day with a blistering attack on key ally Germany at a breakfast meeting with NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg.
"Germany is a captive of Russia because it is getting so much of its energy from Russia," Trump said, taking particular aim at the proposed Nord Stream II gas pipeline, which he has previously criticised.
"Everybody's talking about it all over the world, they're saying we're paying you billions of dollars to protect you but you're paying billions of dollars to Russia."
Merkel, who grew up in communist East Germany, shot back that she knew what it meant to be under Kremlin domination and Germany had the right to make its own policy choices.
"I myself have also experienced a part of Germany being controlled by the Soviet Union," she said.
"I am very glad that we are united today in freedom as the Federal Republic of Germany and that we can therefore also make our own independent policies and make our own independent decisions."
The pair later met for a one-on-one meeting and while Trump insisted they had a "very very good relationship", their frosty body language suggested otherwise.
Merkel said she welcomed the chance to have an "exchange of views" with Trump.
'VERY DIRECT LANGUAGE'
Trump has long complained that European NATO members do not pay enough for their own defence, singling out Germany for particular criticism. Germany, Europe's biggest economy, spends just 1.24 per cent, compared with 3.5 per cent for the US.
Stoltenberg acknowledged that Trump had expressed himself in "very direct language" but insisted that away from the fiery rhetoric the allies all agree on fundamental issues: the need to boost NATO's resilience, fight terror and share the cost of defence more equally.
NATO officials and diplomats will try to promote an image of unity at the summit in the face of growing unease about the threat from Russia, but with the row between Merkel and Trump and the new spending demand mean it may prove difficult to paper over the cracks.
The mercurial tycoon said before leaving Washington that his meeting in Helsinki with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday "may be the easiest" part of his European tour, which also includes a trip to Britain, where the government is in crisis over Brexit.
Trump ramped up his rhetoric ahead of the talks, explicitly linking NATO with the transatlantic trade row by saying the EU shut out US business while expecting America to defend it.
EU President Donald Tusk stepped up to the fight with his own salvo against Trump on Tuesday, telling him to "appreciate your allies" and reminding him Washington that Europe had come to its aid following the 9/11 attacks.
European diplomats fear a repeat of last month's divisive G7 in Canada, when Trump clashed with his Western allies before meeting North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un at a summit and praising him as "very talented".
Joined: Feb 2014
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Russia’s Uran-9 robot tank reportedly performed horribly in Syria
- Russia’s new Uran-9 robot tank apparently had a terrible debut in Syria. - The unmanned tank couldn’t operate as far away from its controllers as expected, had problems firing its 30mm gun, and couldn’t fire while moving. - The robot tank also could only acquire targets up to about 1.24 miles away, as opposed to four miles as was expected.
Russia’s new Uran-9 robot tank apparently had a terrible debut in Syria.
The unmanned tank couldn’t operate as far away from its controllers as expected, had problems firing its 30mm gun, and couldn’t fire while moving, amid other problems, according to Popular Mechanics, citing the Defence Blog.
Unveiled in September 2016 and deployed to Syria in May, the Uran-9 is an unmanned tank that was supposed to be capable of operating up to 1.8 miles away from its controller.
But in Syria, it could only be operated from about 984 to 1,640 feet from its operators around high-rise buildings, the Defence Blog reported, citing reports from the 10th all-Russian scientific conference “Actual problems of protection and security” in St. Petersburg.
The robot tank’s controller also randomly lost control of it 17 times for up to one minute and two times for up to an hour and a half, Defence Blog reported.
The Uran-9 is heavily armed with four 9M120-1 Ataka anti-tank guided missile launchers, six 93 millimeter-caliber rocket-propelled Shmel-M reactive flamethrowers, one 30-millimeter 2A72 automatic cannon, and one 7.62-millimeter coaxial machine gun.
But its 30-millimeter 2A72 automatic cannon delayed six times and even failed once, Defence Blog reported, and it could only acquire targets up to about 1.24 miles away, as opposed to the expected four miles.
Apparently the tank’s optical station was seeing “multiple interferences on the ground and in the airspace in the surveillance sector,” Defence Blog reported.
The unmanned tank even had issues with its chassis and suspension system, and required repairs in the field, Defence Blog reported.
“The Uran-9 seems to have proven to be more about novelty than capability, but that doesn’t mean these tests are without value,” SOFREP reported. “In time (and with funding) a successor to the Uran-9 may one day be a battlefield force to be reckoned with.”
Apart from Greece, the Baltic States sure are eager with NATO. Crimea certainly spooked them to the max.
Of course
The Baltic looks like easy meat to Putin
Trump isn't wrong actually. A more reasonable target is 2.5% though. But he's not wrong. They've been relying on the US as insurance for defence for too long.
What does it take to be a soldier of the Army Deployment Force (ADF), which was set up two years ago to sharpen Singapore's counter-terrorism capabilities?
As they celebrate their 2nd anniversary today, here's a salute to them for keeping us safe!
Pindad & FNSS Medium Tank (Kaplan MT) had undergone a successful mine blast test under its track. A mine blast test under the hull is scheduled to be tested today.
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SHAH ALAM: LKT 2018. The Army conducted its annual Latihan Kuasa Tembakan this year at the Gemas range over the last one week. The exercise ended on July 12 with the attendance of the Army chief Gen Zulkipfle Kassim.
The Army fired two Ingwe missiles from two Gempita AFV30 ATGW – the first public live firings of the missiles – after the end user acceptance in March. Both missiles hit their targets
A number of IFV25 and AFV30s also took part in the exercise firing their 25mm and 30mm guns whilst on the move.
The other ATGM in the Army service, Adnan mounted Bakhtar Shikan ATGM also took part in the exercise.
As usual other fire support units in the Third Division also took part in the exercise from the Pendekar, Adnans, KIFV, 105mm and 155mm guns as well as an Astros battery also took part in the exercise.
Three A109LOH armed with the M134D miniguns also showed their capabilities.
Two Sukhois and four Hawks from RMAF also took part in the Close Support segment which ended the live fire exercise together with a battery of Astros MLRS launchers.
Compared to last year, this year exercise felt and look smaller, which was confirmed by Gen Zulkiple who said this year’s exercise cost RM17 million compared to the RM23 million last year. Most of it, he said werethe cost of the live ordnance expanded during the week.
Trump stuns NATO with demand to double defence spending
This is so BS la.
If going by GDP percentage, Germany spends more on NATO defence than everybody else except US. Germany's 1.24% contribution is probably higher than UK's 2.10% considering its GDP is nearly 80% higher than UK.
Yet Germany kena marah also. Memang betul la kata NATO's own 1st sec gen: "NATO is created to keep the Russians out, the Americans in and the Germans down".
IMO NATO should have been disbanded when the Soviet Union collapsed, and collapsing with it, the million-strong red army NATO was originally created to counter.
There is no way,shape or form today's Russia underwhelming armed forces is able to attack, much less invade any part of western Europe. Nowadays NATO has severely overreached its stated aim of protecting 'The North Atlantic region' from Soviet aggression by getting into ridiculous irrelevant conflicts in the Balkans , Libya and Afghanistan. It has since seems that NATO has morphed into the European extension of US foreign policy. If that is the case, isn't it appropriate that the US shoulder most of the costs?
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Pindad & FNSS Medium Tank (Kaplan MT) had undergone a successful mine blast test under its track. A mine blast test under the hull is scheduled to be tested today.
hmm, no test dummy onboard? or a separate test.. also heard it was tested with 10kg ordinance only
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This is so BS la.
If going by GDP percentage, Germany spends more on NATO defence than everybody else except US. Germany's 1.24% contribution is probably higher than UK's 2.10% considering its GDP is nearly 80% higher than UK.
Yet Germany kena marah also. Memang betul la kata NATO's own 1st sec gen: "NATO is created to keep the Russians out, the Americans in and the Germans down".
instead of just % of gdp, defense as a % of total budget should be mentioned too...
more weapons means more chances of murican corp gets $$$
hmm, no test dummy onboard? or a separate test.. also heard it was tested with 10kg ordinance only
Crash test dummies onboard during mine blast test.
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“Kita ingin melihat apakah penumpang aman dan selamat. Di dalam tank kita taruh manekin (crush dummy) dengan berbagai sensor untuk mengetahui kalau ada cedera fatal atau tidak sebagai efek dari blasting," ungkapnya.
If going by GDP percentage, Germany spends more on NATO defence than everybody else except US. Germany's 1.24% contribution is probably higher than UK's 2.10% considering its GDP is nearly 80% higher than UK.
Yet Germany kena marah also. Memang betul la kata NATO's own 1st sec gen: "NATO is created to keep the Russians out, the Americans in and the Germans down".
Apparently not enough to keep readiness of its subs and air force.
That's why it's so strange because the Federal Government allocate so much on the Bundeswehr (The federal defence budget for 2017 is €44.3 billion).
This can be considered a lot (in fact it's number 9 on the global list of defence budgets according to SIPRI), since the Bundeswehr is involved only in very limited fashion with overseas operations unlike UK & France and 90% of the Bundeswehr defence assets are sourced internally from German manufacturers.
Most say this is because the Bundeswehr spends a large percentage of the budget on the social welfare of its 200,000 serving members. How many armies do you know who have kindergartens & child daycare centers in barracks and have special field uniforms for pregnant servicewomen?
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RSAF marks 20 years of training at French air base
Trainee fighter pilots from Singapore are not the only ones who have taken to the skies at Cazaux in the last two decades - the stork has also been soaring there.
Since the Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) set up a training detachment in the south-western French town in 1998, more than 190 pilots have trained there. At the same time, 191 babies have also been born to staff and their families based in Cazaux.
"So for every one pilot, one baby. That's not a bad ratio," said Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen yesterday at an event to commemorate the 20th anniversary of the RSAF's Cazaux detachment.
To mark the milestone, an RSAF M-346 aircraft and a pair of French Air Force (FAF) Alpha Jets performed a combined flypast in front of delegates from both countries.
Dr Ng is also in France for the French national day parade in Paris on Saturday, and will join Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, who will attend as a guest of honour.
Expressing his gratitude to the French government, its armed forces and people for giving the RSAF the opportunity to train in Cazaux, Dr Ng said France has played a "crucial role in helping Singapore train pilots to defend Singapore and our airspace".
The large airspace in Cazaux - 32 times the size of Singapore - offers the RSAF pilots sprawling skies to hone their skills. And training alongside their French counterparts "allows the RSAF to learn from and peg itself against a world-class air force", Dr Ng added.
"The RSAF's presence in Cazaux is a physical testament to the strong and growing ties between our two countries. It is developed on a shared foundation of ideals and values for both our countries, built on liberty, equality and fraternity."
Cazaux Air Base, about 60km from the city of Bordeaux, is home to 150 Squadron and where fighter aircrew undergo the Advanced Jet training programme. Pilots fly the M-346, a stepping stone before they operate sophisticated warplanes like the F-15SG and the F-16.
Dr Ng was accompanied by Chief of Air Force Mervyn Tan on his visit. The French delegation included Secretary of State to the Minister for the Armed Forces Genevieve Darrieussecq and FAF's General Officer Commanding the South West Defence and Security Zone and Air Forces Commander, Lieutenant-General Jean Rondel. In 2011, Singapore and France agreed to extend the Cazaux detachment to 2035.
Asked how both countries will further their military cooperation, Dr Ng said there is also collaboration in areas such as defence technology and cyber security.
Of the many babies born in Cazaux, Dr Ng quipped: "Somehow I think the air, the Arcachon oysters, the French wine make for very fertile ground for babies."
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If going by GDP percentage, Germany spends more on NATO defence than everybody else except US. Germany's 1.24% contribution is probably higher than UK's 2.10% considering its GDP is nearly 80% higher than UK.
Yet Germany kena marah also. Memang betul la kata NATO's own 1st sec gen: "NATO is created to keep the Russians out, the Americans in and the Germans down".
There's spending, effective spending and effective usage.
The Cold War German army was indeed the meat of the Fulda Gap forces.
But the modern German army is shockingly poor in readiness. Though it has contributed significantly to the Baltic Air Patrol and Standing NATO Maritime Group, amongst other initiatives, its nothing compared to what they used to do.
Meanwhile the British forces contribute a lot to NATO. Not only to BAP and SNMG, but in other ways - their AEW aircraft and drones, C17 and A400M fleet are in high demand amongst NATO partner nations, and QE2 will be heavily tasked in the next few years between NATO and US commitments. Plus of course the RN provides half of Europe's nuclear retaliation capability.
There is no way,shape or form today's Russia underwhelming armed forces is able to attack, much less invade any part of western Europe. Nowadays NATO has severely overreached its stated aim of protecting 'The North Atlantic region' from Soviet aggression by getting into ridiculous irrelevant conflicts in the Balkans , Libya and Afghanistan. It has since seems that NATO has morphed into the European extension of US foreign policy. If that is the case, isn't it appropriate that the US shoulder most of the costs?
EU and US foreign policy is at odds much more than is apparent. NATO is still very relevant to defend European interests.
And nobody should underestimate Russia. Putin is a fuckin dinosaur trying to fight the Cold War all over again and he still has a few capable army (and Navy!) units to do it with. Blink and he'll pull another Crimea on the Baltics. Even if the Russian army has drawn down significantly, so has everyone else - everybody is a shadow of their Cold War selves.
There's spending, effective spending and effective usage.
The Cold War German army was indeed the meat of the Fulda Gap forces.
But the modern German army is shockingly poor in readiness. Though it has contributed significantly to the Baltic Air Patrol and Standing NATO Maritime Group, amongst other initiatives, its nothing compared to what they used to do.
Meanwhile the British forces contribute a lot to NATO. Not only to BAP and SNMG, but in other ways - their AEW aircraft and drones, C17 and A400M fleet are in high demand amongst NATO partner nations, and QE2 will be heavily tasked in the next few years between NATO and US commitments. Plus of course the RN provides half of Europe's nuclear retaliation capability.
Committed to at least 24 UK F35s fully operational by 2023, plus some USMC F35s, and surge capacity for even more if need be. That's more than zero at least. QE2 will be filling in the EU carrier gap while the US gets the delayed Ford-class fully operational. Thats part of why the US and UK are working so closely together on carrier ops.
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Committed to at least 24 UK F35s fully operational by 2023, plus some USMC F35s, and surge capacity for even more if need be. That's more than zero at least. QE2 will be filling in the EU carrier gap while the US gets the delayed Ford-class fully operational. Thats part of why the US and UK are working so closely together on carrier ops.
Charles de Gaulle is in midlife refit. Should be back in action next year. But you need at least 2 to always have one operational, because it can't be available all the time. Then you end up with embarrassments like CDG going back to port in the middle of Libyan operations.
Pity that the French cancelled carrier 2. The Brits conmitted to QE and POW both, and that's a big part of what makes them still capable of independent action and great contribution to NATO both.
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Committed to at least 24 UK F35s fully operational by 2023, plus some USMC F35s, and surge capacity for even more if need be. That's more than zero at least. QE2 will be filling in the EU carrier gap while the US gets the delayed Ford-class fully operational. Thats part of why the US and UK are working so closely together on carrier ops.
How about Pow? What's the complement? And which of these two will be deployed/stationed in the far east btw?
How about Pow? What's the complement? And which of these two will be deployed/stationed in the far east btw?
Ships spend as much time in port as they do at sea. Having 2 carriers doesn't mean both will be used at the same time, though it can and will be done during wartime. E.g. the US has a requirement for 11 to 12 carriers on the basis that it wants to have 4 active carriers at any time.
So when QE is deployed POW will be doing maintenance, training, refit etc and vice versa.*
Complement is expected to be either 24 F35s, or 12 F35s and 9+ helicopters, but the ships are large enough that complement will be very flexible - the QEs can carry 36 F35s and 4+ helis in full strike mode and even more, up to 60+ aircraft in overload conditions - but having more aircraft can actually reduce combat effectiveness.
The QEs are unlikely to ever come to the Far East except perhaps much later in their lives. We will probably see some visiting Type 26s or more likely Type 31es thoug, travelling through to connect with the Aussies.
*Similarly the UK is expected by 2023 to have 24 operational F35s, 18+ in training or maintenance, and 3 test aircraft for a total of 45+.
Ships spend as much time in port as they do at sea. Having 2 carriers doesn't mean both will be used at the same time, though it can and will be done during wartime. E.g. the US has a requirement for 11 to 12 carriers on the basis that it wants to have 4 active carriers at any time.
So when QE is deployed POW will be doing maintenance, training, refit etc and vice versa.*
Complement is expected to be either 24 F35s, or 12 F35s and 9+ helicopters, but the ships are large enough that complement will be very flexible - the QEs can carry 36 F35s and 4+ helis in full strike mode and even more, up to 60+ aircraft in overload conditions - but having more aircraft can actually reduce combat effectiveness.
The QEs are unlikely to ever come to the Far East except perhaps much later in their lives. We will probably see some visiting Type 26s or more likely Type 31es thoug, travelling through to connect with the Aussies.
*Similarly the UK is expected by 2023 to have 24 operational F35s, 18+ in training or maintenance, and 3 test aircraft for a total of 45+.
I guess I was referring to this. not permanently of course..
I guess I was referring to this. not permanently of course..
Meh. Unlikely. IINM as I said earlier, QE once operational is expected to take up carrier duties in the EU so the US can task a carrier to the Persian Gulf again.
At the moment the Gulf is "gapped" while two active carriers are in the Pacific and one is in the EU area. Rest are in port.
Meh. Unlikely. IINM as I said earlier, QE once operational is expected to take up carrier duties in the EU so the US can task a carrier to the Persian Gulf again.
At the moment the Gulf is "gapped" while two active carriers are in the Pacific and one is in the EU area. Rest are in port.
To the Air Force, it’s a “cover-center wall, troop compartment latrine . . . required to protect the aircraft from corrosion damage in the latrine area.”
To the rest of us, it’s a toilet cover. And until recently, it had a price tag of $10,000.
Officials said last week that the U.S. Air Force paid about $10,000 each to replace toilet seat covers on the C-5 Galaxy, a Vietnam-era military cargo plane that is still in service, at least three times and as recently as last year.
The reason, they say, is that the plane’s manufacturer no longer produces the part, forcing the government to order a customized one when it needs to be replaced. More recently, the service has been able to cut the average cost of the toilet cover to about $300 by using a 3-D printer, an approach top officials want to replicate for other acquisitions.
The toilet part’s price was confirmed by Air Force media relations chief Ann Stefanek in a phone conversation and in a separate interview with Assistant Air Force Secretary Will Roper.
“We are not now, nor will we in the future buy that aircraft part at that price, because we can now do so more cheaply using 3-D printing,” Stefanek said, referring to the toilet seat cover on the C-5. “Using this new process allows us to make parts that are no longer in production and is driving major cost savings.”
Their comments came after Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) raised the issue in a June 6 letter to Defense Department Inspector General Glenn Fine, which in turn cited a May 29 article in the trade publication Defense One. Grassley’s office released the letter publicly last week.
Air Force officials describe the $10,000 toilet cover as a case of supply-chain economics gone wrong.
The C-5 dates to the 1960s, when it was used to move troops and cargo during the Vietnam War. Lockheed Martin, the plane’s original manufacturer, shut down its C-5 production line in 2001 when the military stopped buying new models. But the Air Force still counts 52 of them in its fleet, and some of them have been put to use in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Keeping the old planes ready to fly means bits of hardware occasionally need to be replaced. Since the Air Force maintains painstakingly specific requirements for equipment components — even toilet parts — doing so is rarely as simple as a trip to Home Depot.
The Air Force says with the Lockheed’s C-5 production line no longer active, there is no company with a fully staffed assembly line ready to produce exactly what it needs. That means the government has to hire a manufacturer to make a mold of the original toilet seat cover, redesign two-dimensional drawings to make sure the cover fits, manufacture a mold for the part, and then produce it — effectively reverse-engineering the toilet cover and building it from scratch.
A profit-minded government contractor might be persuaded to absorb those costs if it could spread them across hundreds or thousands of toilets. But when the payoff is just one sale, businesses demand a higher price.
Still, Air Force officials said such situations should be avoidable. “If we can’t make [airplane parts] ourselves we have to live with what the market can produce at a profitable level,” Roper said. “But of course we should not be paying industry for something that we can make more cheaply ourselves.”
Lawmakers weighing whether to increase funding for the military do not appear to take that argument seriously. After all, it’s a toilet part.
In his letter, Grassley chided the Defense Department over what he called a “spare parts rip-off.” He drew parallels to a similar incident in the 1980s, also involving the C-5’s toilet, in which it was disclosed that the toilet seat itself cost $640. The toilet seat became a symbol of government waste in the Reagan era; longtime Washington Post editorial cartoonist Herblock would often depict Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger with a toilet seat around his neck.
“Thanks to Mr. Roper . . . we now have, some 30 years later, an on-the-record updated price for a new airborne toilet-related item — $10,000, and that’s just for the cover,” Grassley wrote, describing Roper’s justification as “not credible” and “in need of scrutiny.”
[Lockheed Martin got $35.2 billion from taxpayers last year. That’s more than many federal agencies]
Good-government advocates similarly chided the Air Force.
“The fact that the Air Force paid $10,000 per toilet seat cover last year is concerning because it shows a lack of foresight of needs and being good financial stewards of taxpayer dollars,” said Scott Amey, general counsel of the nonprofit Project on Government Oversight.
Loren Thompson, a defense consultant who works for the Lexington Institute, a think tank that gets funding from defense contractors, said he is worried the military will be unable to buy next-generation weapons systems if it spends too much on overpriced spare parts.
“There are probably thousands of examples like this, because since the Cold War the entire fleet is getting old,” he said. “Once parts are out of production, replacing them becomes extremely expensive because they all have to be custom built. On the other hand, nobody wants the toilet to have no top when you make a 90-degree turn. That could be a problem.”
To his point, about 70 percent of the Air Force’s budget goes to “sustainment” of aging equipment. Such costs apply not just to the Air Force’s cargo planes but also to Army vehicles such as the M1 Bradley tank and the Navy’s Ohio-class nuclear submarines, for example. Some important systems are older even than the C-5: Boeing’s B-52 Stratofortress, which would theoretically be among the U.S. military’s options to deliver an air-launched nuclear warhead in the event of nuclear war, dates back to the 1950s.
These vehicles become more expensive to maintain as they age, and the taxpayer doesn’t always get the best deal when the military goes shopping for parts. The Defense Department Office of the Inspector General said in a 2015 summary of 32 parts-related audits that the government spent $154.9 million more than was necessary for such items, often because the government failed to negotiate effectively. The spending issues include $645 for a dime-size gear from Boeing that sold elsewhere for just $12.50; overpayments for vehicle repair parts that resulted in the Humvee manufacturer AM General being told to pay the military back, and alleged overpayment for engine parts for Pratt & Whitney’s F117 Nighthawk engine.
In some cases, the government has been forced to go to a monopoly supplier because a company holds a patent.
That’s what happened in late February when the manufacturing giant United Technologies was awarded a $2.5 billion contract to supply a grab bag of spare parts such as landing gear and flight sensors — complex items for which the company owns intellectual property.
In his interview with Defense One, Roper suggested a possible solution for such situations would be for the Air Force to simply print the part and pay the contractor “some kind of profit margin or royalty.”
“If we had kind of a licensing or fee agreement with them, we should be able to print that part and they get a kickback or a royalty and off we go,” he said. “It’s that kind of creative thinking that we need to do.”
The Air Force wants to use 3-D printing to solve such problems. For more than a year the service has been using “additive manufacturing” methods to make more expendable items such as toilet parts and door handles, with plans to later move on to more important components. So far, one C-5 toilet cover replacement has been printed using this method, at a cost of about $300, Stefanek said.
Roper says he wants to use technology to drive long-standing inefficiencies out of the Pentagon’s vast supply chain.
“I want to get where we can supply parts that we can’t get elsewhere,” Roper said. “Right now we’re reacting to parts for planes that were built decades ago.”
Military aircraft crashes in eastern Romania, pilots rescued
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BUCHAREST, July 16 (Xinhua) -- An IAR 99 Hawk aircraft crashed Monday in the eastern county of Bacau, and the two pilots were rescued after ejecting.
The two-man crew flying from the 95th Air Base in Bacau crashed in the Nicolae Balcescu area, some eight kilometers southwest of the air base.
Several intervention, extrication, and first aid crews were sent to the scene.
Defence Minister Mihai Fifor, together with Chief of Staff Nicolae Ciuca, went to the scene.
This is the second crash of the Romanian Air Force in ten days. An MiG-21 LanceR fighter crashed on July 7 in an air show in southeastern Romania, killing the pilot.
The IAR 99 Hawk, the first fully Romanian-made and designed jet, is an advanced trainer and light attack aircraft capable of performing close air support and reconnaissance missions.
The design of the aircraft started in 1975 and the serial production began in 1987.
Carl von Clausewitz - On War Rupert Smith - The Utility of Force Mao Zedong - On Guerilla Warfare Alfred Thayer Mahan - The Influence of Sea Power upon History 1660-1783 Ian Speller - Understanding Naval Warfare *updated list
Much Appreciated man. Clausewitz isnt he like bapak on field of defence studies kind of things?
Much Appreciated man. Clausewitz isnt he like bapak on field of defence studies kind of things? No war tactcs man. Sound like his story book je
In like fuckin 1810, sure But his calculations are no longer applicable unless you are fighting a war with brass cannon and muskets
What's left is his thoughts on strategy which nowadays is so generalised its as relevant as Suntzu's Art of War
Would be better off looking for writeups of Soviet and US Cold War doctrine, even though outdated it would have some relevance still and its a good background to contrast with today's conflicts
Russian Deputy Defence Minister Yuri Borisov ... said, per The Diplomat: “The Su-57 is considered to be one of the best aircrafts produced in the world. Consequently, it does not make sense to speed up work on mass-producing the fifth-generation aircraft.
So now how? continue re-hash the SU-3x over and over again?
Glorious Rusiya Velikiy not need weak and dishonourable capitalist stealth technology, will defeat imperialist aggression with power of proven Soviet Engineering, vodka and AK-47s like real Russian man
5 dead in helicopter crash at South Korean marine base
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SEOUL, SOUTH KOREA
Five people were killed Tuesday in a helicopter crash at a South Korean marine base in the southeastern city of Pohang, the Defense Ministry said.
The helicopter, which was being test-flown after a repair, caught fire after it crashed to the ground from about 10 meters (33 feet) in the air, the ministry said.
One person survived the crash and was being treated at a nearby hospital, it said. The severity of the person's injury wasn't immediately known. The names of the pilots and passengers weren't immediately announced.
The military plans to form a committee to investigate the cause of the crash.
Tuesday's crash was the second fatal accident involving South Korean military aircraft in recent months. Pohang is not far from where a South Korean F-15K fighter jet crashed into a mountain in April, killing both the pilot and co-pilot.
Jon Grevatt, Bangkok - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly 16 July 2018
PT Pindad expects to start mass-producing the Kaplan MT Modern Medium Weight Tank by 2019. Source: FNSS
Indonesian firm PT Pindad has announced that it expects to start mass-producing the Kaplan MT Modern Medium Weight Tank (MMWT) it is currently developing in collaboration with Turkey’s FNSS Savunma Sistemleri in 2019.
The tank programme is currently at an advanced stage of development, with PT Pindad having carried out ballistic and mine explosion tests featuring a MMWT hull prototype in Bandung, Indonesia, on 12 July.
Following the trials, PT Pindad said that the MMWT would now be prepared for certification tests with the Indonesian Army (Tentara Nasional Indonesia – Angkatan Darat: TNI-AD). The company added, “[The programme] will then proceed to the production stage to meet the modernisation needs of the TNI-AD and export markets.”
Ade Bagdja, PT Pindad’s director of technology and development, expects that the company will produce at least 100 MMWT units for the TNI-AD. The new tank will replace the service’s depleted fleets of French-made AMX-13 light tanks, which originally numbered more than 300.
Bagdja also said that in the initial production stage about 50 local companies will be involved in the production of the MMWT, although this would increase to at least 100 firms as the programme matures.
He added that through the arrangement with FNSS – a joint venture between Turkey’s Nurol Holding and the UK group BAE Systems – PT Pindad will have responsibility to market the MMWT to export markets in the Asia-Pacific, while FNSS plans to export the product to markets in Africa.
The MMWT programme is supported by an inter-government agreement between Indonesia and Turkey that was signed in November 2014. Work on the project started shortly after, with two prototypes and one hull for mine testing being produced by 2017. FNSS unveiled the first MMWT prototype at the IDEF exhibition in Turkey in May 2017.
hinting that he doesn't want the project to end up like F35?
Trying to put a good face on a disaster, more like. This outcomr has been predicted a long time ago.
The project is nowhere near even F35 level of stealth and sensor capability. The real Russian equipment performance estimated is not nearly as amazing as their propaganda claims.
Plus Russia's defence budget is probably around 1.5x the top EU nations (UK FR GER), even with lower labour and overhead costs its unlikely they could produce what they claim they will produce... same for Kurganets, Armata, Bumerang, Lider, etc, all sembang kencang of 100s of units.
NEW DELHI. An Indian Air Force's MiG 21 fighter jet on Wednesday crashed in Kangra district of Himachal Pradesh leaving the pilot of the aircraft dead.
According to initial reports, the MiG-21 aircraft took off from Pathankot air base in Punjab and crashed at Patta Jattiyan in Jawali subdivision of Himachal Pradesh's Kangra district.
As per the Kangra superintendent of police (SP), Santosh Paital, a police rescue team is present on the spot to carry out evacuation.
"The MiG-21 took off from Punjab's Pathankot & later lost contact with its system. Police present on the spot. Fire has been doused but debris are scattered everywhere. No civilian casualities have been reported so far," said Paital.
330 anggota 10 Briged Para menjalankan latihan terjunan
Kampung Gajah: Penduduk kawasan Felcra Changkat Lada di sini, gempar apabila ratusan anggota tentera melakukan terjunan udara daripada enam pesawat yang melintasi ruang angkasa di sini, semalam.
Semua anggota tentera lengkap bersenjata dan membawa muatan antara 30 hingga 40 kilogram (kg) membuat terjunan itu pada jam 10.30 pagi. Anggota kemudian mendarat di kawasan selamat di kawasan sawah padi di Felcra berkenaan sebelum bergerak ke Ipoh menjadikan kawasan itu umpama medan perang.
Senario itu sebahagian latihan terjunan dan pengguguran udara membabitkan 330 anggota 10 Briged (Para) bersama Tentera Udara Amerika Syarikat (USAF) dalam Eksesais Gerak Pantas Siri 24/2018.
Ia berkonsepkan atur gerak secara penerjunan paracut yang turut disertai Panglima 10 Briged (Para), Brigadier Jeneral Datuk Tengku Muhammad Fauzi Tengku Ibrahim.
Turut berkenan menyaksikan latihan bersejarah itu, Raja Muda Selangor, Tengku Amir Shah Sultan Sharafuddin Idris Shah. Tahun lalu, baginda dianugerahkan Beret Merun dan Sayap Penerjunan Kehormat 10 Briged (Para).
Terdahulu, baginda tiba di padang Sekolah Kebangsaan (SK) Changkat Lada 3 di sini, dengan menaiki helikopter Augusta dari Pangkalan Tentera Udara Diraja Malaysia (TUDM) Subang sebelum ke lokasi latihan menaiki kenderaan Tentera Darat (TD).
Turut menyaksikan latihan berkenaan, Panglima Medan Barat TD, Leftenan Jeneral Datuk Azizan Md Delin, Panglima 2 Divisyen, Mejar Jeneral Datuk Mohd Ramli Jaafar dan Panglima 2 Briged, Brigadier Jeneral Datuk Mohd Nizam Jaafar.
Sementara itu, Tengku Muhammad Fauzi berkata, ia latihan medan dwitahunan membabitkan anggota 10 Briged (Para) dan tahun ini latihan itu membabitkan lima pesawat TUDM dan sebuah pesawat US Pacific Air Force (PACAF).
Katanya, semua pesawat itu terbang pada paras ketinggian antara 243 hingga 365 meter sebelum anggota melakukan aksi penerjunan.
“Eksesais ini bertujuan menguji keupayaan tempur kumpulan Batalion Para bersama pasukan afiliasi yang membantu serta menilai aspek perancangan dan persiapan anggota di peringkat batalion serta briged.
“Latihan juga adalah kemuncak untuk menguji aksi terjunan setiap anggota 10 Briged (Para) selain turut menguji elemen taktikal dan kemahiran masing-masing,” katanya ketika ditemui di sini, semalam.
Turkey expected to receive first locally-made aircraft carrier on 2021
The Turkish Navy is expected to receive the first nationally built aircraft carrier, the TCG Anadolu, which can be configured as a light aircraft carrier on 2021, said ahaber.com.tr on 18 July.
Turkish news website reported on 18 July that the TCG Anadolu multipurpose amphibious assault ship will be delivered to the Naval Forces Command in April 2021.
With the multipurpose amphibious assault ship joining the navy, Turkey will be one of 14 countries in the world with an aircraft carrier. The TCG Anadolu, which is being produced with a local content ratio of 68 percent, will be one of the world’s most advanced aircraft carriers. The 32-meter-wide giant ship will be capable of moving 9,000 miles (14,500 kilometers) without refueling.
The production of the highly anticipated attack ship, which consists of 114 blocks, will boost the capacity of Turkish naval forces and increase the operational capability of the Turkish Navy.
Officials said in March approximately 90 percent of the [building] blocks were at the end of production, adding that immediately after the manufacturing phase, fittings will be carried out.
The construction works began on 30 April 2016 at the shipyard of Sedef Shipbuilding Inc. in Istanbul, with the keel being laid 7 February 2018.
The TCG Anadolu multipurpose amphibious assault ship is based on the Spanish LHD Juan Carlos I and Australian Canberra-class landing helicopter docks and can be configured as a light aircraft carrier.
It will be capable of operating up to 12 F-35B STOVL stealth multirole combat aircraft and 12 helicopters in “light aircraft carrier” configuration.
The new multipurpose amphibious assault ship has a 5,440m² flight deck and a 990m² aviation hangar which can accommodate either 12 medium-size helicopters or 8 CH-47F Chinook heavy-lift helicopters. Additionally, the ship will have a 1,880m² light cargo garage for TEU containers and 27 Amphibious Assault Vehicles (AAV); a 1,165m² dock which can host four Landing Craft Mechanized (LCM) or two Landing Craft Air Cushion (LCAC), or two Landing Craft Vehicle Personnel (LCVP); and a 1,410m² garage for heavy loads, which can host 29 Main Battle Tanks (MBT), The ship’s crew will consist of 261 personnel: 30 officers, 49 NCOs, 59 leading seamen and 123 ratings.
With a displacement of 28,000 tonnes at full load and a length of 225 meters, the ship will be capable of reaching speeds of up to 21 knots.
Malaysian police arrest 7 suspected ISIS militants, including man who threatened to kill King, PM
KUALA LUMPUR - Malaysian police have arrested seven suspected Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) militants including a man who threatened to assassinate the Malaysian King and Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamed.
The arrests took place during a special operation in the four states of Johor, Terengganu, Selangor, and Perak between July 12 and 17 this year, police chief Mohamad Fuzi Harun said in a statement on Thursday (July 19).
Four of the suspects are Malaysian, while the remaining three are Indonesian citizens.
Police arrested two Malaysians on July 16 in Johor - a 42-year-old man and a 24-year-old woman.
The woman had transferred RM4,000 (S$1,346) to Muhammad Nasrullah Latif, also known as Abu Gomez, a Malaysian who joined the ISIS group in Syria and has since died in March this year.
The male suspect had made threats on Facebook, saying he will launch bomb attacks in Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines after Hari Raya in June.
Prior to this, he had been in contact with Muhammad Wanndy Mohamed Jedi, a Malaysian who was an ISIS member in Syria and the ringleader behind a bomb attack at a club in the KL suburb of Puchong on June 28, 2016.
Police in Skudai, Johor, on July 17 arrested a 34-year-old unemployed Malaysian man, who is an ISIS supporter and threatened on his Facebook account to assassinate the King, Sultan Muhammad V, Tun Dr Mahathir and Religious Affairs Minister Mujahid Yusof Rawa because he felt they were not running the country according to Islamic syariah laws.
A 21-year-old Malaysian factory worker was also arrested on July 17 in Masai, Johor. He confessed to being an ISIS supporter and had planned to join the group in Syria.
On July 12 in Terengganu, police arrested a 26-year-old Indonesian.
He is a member of Negara Islam Indonesia, or Islamic State of Indonesia, an offshoot of the Darul Islam movement whose members took up arms against the government with a goal of creating an Islamic state.
His wife, who is a Malaysian, has also pledged allegiance to the group. The suspect had planned to take his wife and stepchildren to Syria to join the Daesh (another name for ISIS) militant group.
A 27-year-old Indonesian contract worker was arrested on July 12 in Petaling Jaya, Selangor.
He is said to have pledged allegiance to the group’s leaders in Bandung, Indonesia, between 2015 and 2017 and received weapons training in Bandung between 2015 and 2018.
Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) operative Muhammad Wanndy Mohamed Jedi, who was claimed to have been killed in a drone attack.
He confessed to being involved with Daesh and possessed in his mobile phone some 100 videos and 90 photos depicting Daesh activities. He also promoted the group on his Facebook account by uploading videos and photos of it. He had been planning to go to Syria to join the militant group.
In Ipoh, Perak, a 42-year-old Indonesian factory worker was arrested on July 14. He admitted to having ties with a member of Indonesian extremist network Jamaah Ansharut Daulah who was involved in the murder of an Indonesian policeman on May 10 in Kelapa Dua, West Java, Indonesia.
A more detail article of the Pindad Medium Tank (Kaplan MT) specification.
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PT Pindad close to starting modern medium-weight tank production
Jul 23, 2018
Indonesian defence company PT Pindad is nearing serial production of the modern medium-weight tank production called Kaplan MT (Medium Tank) developed jointly by Turkish company FNSS.
PT Pindad has announced that company is close to starting Kaplan MT production at a new factory in Indonesia, which series production expects will begin in 2019.
FNSS and PT Pindad initiated the project to develop modern medium weight tank in November 2014. At the moment, the Philippines can also join the project, Philippines Army also shows interest in acquiring a new medium tank.
Jointly developed by FNSS-PT Pindad, Kaplan MT’s design architecture with advanced ballistic and mine protection systems allows the use of a wide range of NATO-standard ammunition that can engage targets at a maximum distance of 10km.
Kaplan MT is fitted with a two-man CMI Cockerill 3105 turret armed with a Cockerill 105mm high-pressure gun which can fire both AP (Armour Piercing) and HE (High Explosive) ammunitions.
The vehicle owes its advanced mobility capability to its 6 wheeled anti-shock suspension system, built on torsion bars with double pinned tracks which provides optimum performance on both urban infrastructure and cross country. The vehicle is fully operable in a broad range of altitude and humidity, and temperatures. (-32°C/+55°C).
The Kaplan’s power pack is equipped with capacity cooling pack and fuel tanks. The cooling pack is cooled by an intelligent software driven hydraulic fan for optimum torque extraction and fuel economy, and two separate fuel tanks provide a minimum operating range of 450km. An auxiliary power unit enables turret operation when vehicle engine is not running by charging battery system. Advanced battery monitoring system is also equipped for optimum power management and silent watch capabilities.
The vehicle interior is engineered carefully considering crew ergonomics and different tactical and battlefield conditions including driving, firing and ammunition loading and unloading. Special type of driver seat allows the operator to benefit from enhanced field of view and convenient access to dashboard and other driving instruments.
LoL reading the comments. pinoy cant accept the truth. their military one of the weakest in the world.
most people from 3rd world countries are not very exposed to global events... with nationalistic propaganda blinding them they think too highly of themselves... especially countries like india n pinoyland
Certainly not top 10, since there are many small European powers with tiny armies
But NK not that strong either... a lot of outdated equipment
but arms dont win wars... remember vietnam? or how weak sunni saudi is?
there're lots of factors... i believe if NK is placed next to many countries, it would win... currently now their army is stuck due to lack of amphibious or airborne transport...
but arms dont win wars... remember vietnam? or how weak sunni saudi is?
there're lots of factors... i believe if NK is placed next to many countries, it would win... currently now their army is stuck due to lack of amphibious or airborne transport...
I really wish people would realise that just because of 1 Vietnam War doesn't mean every war will be won by the technological underdog
If the full might of the US has gone into Vietnam or they didn't have Communist Bloc support, the results would be very different
Plus it was 40 years ago. The more applicable example would be the first Gulf War wouldn't it? And look how Saddam turned out in that one...
I think the main problem of NK versus SK is the proximity of Seoul. Otherwise it would be a Fulda Gap dream - masses of outdated tanks and artillery vs the technological force multipliers of SK.
Israeli Patriot Missiles Down Unidentified Syrian Sukhoi in Border Incursion
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The Israeli Defense Force (IDF) reports that Israeli Patriot missile batteries have engaged and downed an unspecified Syrian Air Force Sukhoi attack aircraft.
The incident happened on Tuesday Jul. 24 afternoon local time in Israel at the northeastern border with Syria near the Israeli town of Safed.
Reports indicate the Patriot missile battery that downed the Syrian aircraft was inside Safed, Israel, but that the aircraft actually crashed within Syrian borders.
The Syrian media has confirmed that one of their aircraft has crashed but maintains it was operating within Syrian airspace. Safed, Israel is only 43 miles from Daraa, Syria across a disputed border territory.
At this hour, it remains unclear if the aircraft downed was a Syrian Su-22 (NATO reporting name “Fitter”) or a Syrian Su-24 (NATO reporting name “Fencer”) according to the IDF.
Syria has not specified the type of aircraft lost yet.
Both of the aircraft use variable geometry swept wings or “swing wings” and are large ground attack aircraft difficult for laymen to differentiate visually from the ground, even though the nose of the aircraft are distinctly different.
The best-selling jetliner is considered for a wide range of ISR and transport operations
Having made its mark in the commercial airline sector, the A320neo is now being considered by Airbus for new applications: as a highly-capable and cost-effective platform for ISR (intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance) duties and as a military transport.
The variant – designated A320M3A – would be designed to fulfill a range of ISR roles, particularly maritime patrol and anti-submarine warfare. It also can be outfitted with modular roll-on/roll-off payloads for airlift missions ranging from carrying passengers, troops and VIPs to medical evacuation (medevac) and transporting cargo.
Airbus’ consideration of the A320M3A is in response to market demand, spurred by the growing use of more capable ISR systems – which require physically larger host platforms with increased electrical power and more efficient cooling systems than previously were the case for C4ISR aircraft.
A proven, low-risk solution
One of the biggest applications of the A320M3A is for maritime patrol and anti-submarine warfare, with countries in Europe and elsewhere seeking replacements for ageing aircraft – many of which will be encouraged to develop fleet commonality driven by the intensive growth of joint operations with member nations of NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization).
Advantages in offering the new engine option (NEO) version of Airbus’ A320 commercial jetliner include an extensive capability for growth in a fuselage cross-section that is wider than its competitor in the same size category, the long range and endurance, as well as the lowest operational and life-cycle costs in its class. Other pluses for the A320M3A are the aircraft’s high reliability (proven in airline service), and the resources of an established worldwide supply chain and training network.
The A320M3A also benefits from being a low-risk solution: being based on Airbus’ highly-mature A320 airliner family in high-rate production; and building on the company’s proven capabilities in producing military derivatives of its commercial aircraft – such as the A330 Multi-Role Tanker Transport (MRTT), which is in use by military services around the globe.
perhaps RMAF would be consider this for MPA ?
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US To Exempt India, Indonesia And Vietnam From CAATSA Sanctions
Our Bureau 10:02 AM, July 24, 2018
The United States Senate Committee on Armed Services plans to exempt some US strategic allies; India, Indonesia and Vietnam from Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA) that allows the nations to buy Russian military equipment without any threat sanctions.
“The final piece of legislation will exempt just three countries—India, Indonesia, and Vietnam—from a robust sanctions regime enacted and imposed last year,” Sen. Jim Inhofe Republican Senator from Oklahoma, who helped craft the annual defense bill as part of the House Armed Services Committee was quoted as saying by the Daily Beast Monday.
“They are currently buying [Russian] equipment that has to be maintained until they make the transition, and those three fall into that category,” Inhofe said in a brief interview.
“That was us,” Inhofe added, referring to the fact that Congress, not the Trump administration, decided which countries can obtain waivers.
SHAH ALAM: IT appears that the Army had ordered a batch of Next Generation Light Anti-tank Weapon (NLAW) developed by Sweden and United Kingdom. This was revealed as the Defence Ministry issued a request for tender to multi-modal transport operator (MTO) to ship the missiles back to Malaysia.
Saab NLAW
Like the earlier order for the LAW and MAPAM this was the first time I had heard about the acquisition of the anti-tank missiles.
Saab announced an order for the NLAW from an undisclosed customer back in December, 2016 with deliveries scheduled for 2017. Checks with my sources indicated that the undisclosed customer may well have been Malaysia.
Two pilots killed in Vietnam Su-22 trainer jet crash
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Two pilots were killed in Vietnam Thursday when their Su-22 training jet crashed into thick jungle in heavy rains, police told AFP from the central mountainous region where the accident occurred.
The pilots were on a training drill when their aircraft crashed around midday in Nghe An province, a local police officer told AFP.
“The two pilots were killed,” the officer said, refusing to be named, adding that bad weather was hampering efforts to recover the victims’ remains.
An official with Nghia Dan district told Reuters that the aircraft crashed in a hilly area in the district, which is around 300 km (180 miles) south of Hanoi.
DTI reported that the jet took off at 11:16 a.m. but contact was lost at 11:35 a.m.
Colonel General Nguyen Trong Nghia, deputy chairman of the General Political Department of the People’s Army of Vietnam named the pilots as Lieutenant Colonel Khuat Manh Tri and Colonel Pham Giang Nam, according to DTI.
Images on state media showed a large plume of smoke rising from dense mountain jungles where the plane – a Russian-made Sukhoi Su-22 from Vietnam People’s Air Force – went down.
But enlisted got a very good investment scheme to help them with their retirement.
Some more government got give them additional contribution.
Officers have to pay out of their own pocket if they want to participate.
those schemes are actually leaching the rakyat by obtaining projects that monopolizes certain sectors... aka toll, palm oil, infrastructure... etc etc, its not a proper pension fund
well, it is the enlisted doing the dirty job most of the time..
Here is the 2016 revised salary scheme for the ATM. Don't forget this is basic pay and allowances are not included, plus higher ranks will also have extra allowances on top of basic ones.
Here is the 2016 revised salary scheme for the ATM. Don't forget this is basic pay and allowances are not included, plus higher ranks will also have extra allowances on top of basic ones.
Thales Starstreak good enough if get good alert time . plus having a heli on jungle and mountain terrain is challenging since apache also face same trouble during iraq war. the enemy hide between mountain and have scout all over the place.
Thales Starstreak good enough if get good alert time . plus having a heli on jungle and mountain terrain is challenging since apache also face same trouble during iraq war. the enemy hide between mountain and have scout all over the place.
indon also have it... am sure their apaches will have counter measures for it
why not give it to infantry battalion weapons company? for Para brigade at least since they are probably the army elite
i thought it was given as replacement for other old atgm which need replace. but still there was no announcement who get it although GGK is the most likely one. lets wait and see,who knows it the Para
indon also have it... am sure their apaches will have counter measures for it
same weapon with different tactic and environment. hard to say bro. plus the apache have been shot down with rpg before(in iraq war if not mistaken). when thing goes down,we cant even predict how thing will go.
same weapon with different tactic and environment. hard to say bro. plus the apache have been shot down with rpg before(in iraq war if not mistaken). when thing goes down,we cant even predict how thing will go.
Even AK47 can threaten Apaches. HMGs like the .50 cals should shred them, IF the Apache didn't spot them and they can get rounds on target
RPGs however have terrible guidance. It took about 75 to 100 RPGs to shoot down each Blackhawk in Mogadishu... but that was part of Aidid's innovations, to use RPG salvos as AAA
This post has been edited by KLboy92: Jul 27 2018, 06:21 PM
Here is the 2016 revised salary scheme for the ATM. Don't forget this is basic pay and allowances are not included, plus higher ranks will also have extra allowances on top of basic ones.
Considering personal interest, academic qualifications and looking at the payscale, it's a bit frustrating for me not being able to join due to colorblindness 😛
Considering personal interest, academic qualifications and looking at the payscale, it's a bit frustrating for me not being able to join due to colorblindness 😛
Nowadays I can say ATM basic pay is pretty good. Even joining as private with SPM only can get starting basic pay of around RM 1500, not including allowances (which can get to around RM 800 alone, thats nearly RM 2300 right there).
Join with degree and skim kadet graduan, you can get starting pay of around RM 2500 depending on what degree, (engineering pays best at nearly RM 3000 not including allowances) and not to forget, the additional perk of getting hardened soldiers calling your sorry ass 'tuan!' all day long.
Granted, it's not that high considering, but its very different from the pay situation 10-15 years ago.
Nowadays I can say ATM basic pay is pretty good. Even joining as private with SPM only can get starting basic pay of around RM 1500, not including allowances (which can get to around RM 800 alone, thats nearly RM 2300 right there).
Join with degree and skim kadet graduan, you can get starting pay of around RM 2500 depending on what degree, (engineering pays best at nearly RM 3000 not including allowances) and not to forget, the additional perk of getting hardened soldiers calling your sorry ass 'tuan!' all day long.
Granted, it's not that high considering, but its very different from the pay situation 10-15 years ago.
That's the thing.. Colorblindness.. No cure man. If it's just rabun, I'd rather invest in lasik.
Medical conditions which limit career options sucks big time.
Just gonna be an outside, external observer/fan then 😛
well, you can still be an MP, armour, POG or arty
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Laser in situ keratomileusis (LASIK) and photorefractive keratectomy (PRK) are currently the 2 main refractive surgeries to correct myopia which are being performed worldwide, with more patients preferring LASIK to PRK because of better comfort and faster rehabilitation. However, in post-LASIK patients, there is a low risk of flap dislodgement. This risk increases with certain occupations which have a higher risk of trauma. Hence, there may be a role for PRK for people which such occupations, e.g. soldiers, parachutists, sportsman.
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Most jobs do not prohibit refractive surgeries or LASIK. However, the Singapore Air Force (SAF) does not take in pilots, naval divers, submariners or some commandos who have undergone LASIK. Other types of refractive surgeries like PRK or EPILASIK are allowed. It is best that you check with the SAF about their requirements before undergoing surgery, recommends Dr Rosman.
hmm, i think that's tough even as a cook... oh well, take care... there're others ways to support national security... rela? lol
Nah.. Rela don't get to play with the toys. As a tech nerd, the military always got the best toys anyhow.. But yea, some other way, such as hanging out here in /k
No injuries after window falls from U.S. military chopper near Tokyo
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A window fell off a U.S. military helicopter Friday at a U.S. base southwest of Tokyo, but no one was injured, Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera said.
The incident at the U.S. Naval Air Facility, Atsugi, in Kanagawa Prefecture follows a similar one last December, in which a window of a U.S. military helicopter fell onto an elementary school playground in Okinawa Prefecture.
“While no one was injured (in Friday’s incident) and it’s a case that happened inside a U.S. military base, a window falling is a serious problem,” Onodera told reporters.
In the latest case, the window fell inside the premises of the U.S. facility at around 11:50 a.m.
The Maritime Self-Defense Force, which jointly uses the Atsugi base with the U.S. military, noticed that a part fell from a helicopter shortly after takeoff, according to Onodera. The U.S. military admitted it was a window, he said.
The helicopter does not belong to the Atsugi base and the Defense Ministry is confirming the details of the aircraft with the U.S. side.
Kanagawa Gov. Yuji Kuroiwa told reporters in Tokyo that he was “very shocked about the frequency of accidents involving the U.S. military.”
The Defense Ministry has called on U.S. military forces in Japan to provide more information on incidents and to take measures to prevent similar incidents.
In December, a 7.7-kilogram window fell off a CH-53E transport helicopter as it was flying over an elementary school just outside U.S. Marine Corps Air Station Futenma.
No one was injured, but the incident heightened concerns among people in Okinawa, which hosts the bulk of U.S. military facilities in Japan.
Last month, a U.S. F-15 fighter jet crashed into the sea off Okinawa, with the pilot picked up by a search-and-rescue crew from Japan’s Air Self-Defense Force.
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Jul 27 2018, 07:18 PM)
Hmm perhaps
What's so special about GGK ATGM team? I thought all SOF should be able to operate ATGMs
it's a dedicated small tank warfare team
it also in charge to blow up asset that falls into enemy hand of left in the enemy zone during retreat
during the Bakara market we need to ask the US ATGM team to destroy the broken condor that left during the rescue mission so the APC will not be used by the rebel
QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Jul 27 2018, 08:39 PM)
huh? only SOF operate ATGM? regular infantry get fried then?
it also in charge to blow up asset that falls into enemy hand of left in the enemy zone during retreat
during the Bakara market we need to ask the US ATGM team to destroy the broken condor that left during the rescue mission so the APC will not be used by the rebel
Makes sense Sounds more like a demo job though
But if NLAW is only to be used by them... that means not many were bought?
Construction progress of the Indonesian Navy new Klewang Class FAMB at North Sea Boats (PT Lundin) Shipyard. This is the first of four units ordered of a new Klewang Class FAMB. Credit to Yoan Devi Arianto.
-sad thing is,we always never got anything on Saudi war and have been stress before. but who the hell said we got into it??that is the best thing -counter terrorism is always been the talk between all other nation especially FPDA nation,France,indonesia and middle east nation. its already been said before
in term of speaking,he got it good. must have train hard. other its still too soon to tell. the real question is still not being ask.
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QUOTE(sukhoi35mk @ Jul 31 2018, 09:13 PM)
this is so sad when mat sabu says only 4 out of 18 sukhoi jets can fly now...... the rest is collecting dust..
Because all the works has been stop. Some of them is under maintenance while the others are in queue for maintenance.
There are talks that ATSC contract will be terminated and need to find new contractors. Maybe foreign contractor la kot as only ATSC(NADI)is capable to service MKM in Malaysia
this is so sad when mat sabu says only 4 out of 18 sukhoi jets can fly now...... the rest is collecting dust..
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 31 2018, 09:32 PM)
Because all the works has been stop. Some of them is under maintenance while the others are in queue for maintenance.
There are talks that ATSC contract will be terminated and need to find new contractors. Maybe foreign contractor la kot as only ATSC(NADI)is capable to service MKM in Malaysia
from Malaysiakini.. Mat sabu said that the maintenance contractor has been terminated and they will get a ' local company' to repair this jet... jeng jeng jeng !!!...I wonder which local company has the capability to repair the sukhoi...
Btw,atsc is a joint venture company between Nadi/airod, Rosboronexport, and finance ministry..
https://m.malaysiakini.com/news/436809 PARLIAMENT | Only four of the 18 Sukhoi fighter jets purchased by the previous administration in 2007 can still fly, revealed Defence Minister Mohamad Sabu.
"Four Sukhoi jets can fly in good condition, while 14 others have been sent for repairs.
"We will try to get a local company (to repair these jets), as the contract of the company appointed by the previous administration had been terminated," he said during the winding up of royal decree debate at Dewan Rakyat today...
this is so sad when mat sabu says only 4 out of 18 sukhoi jets can fly now...... the rest is collecting dust..
really bro?? can give me the link or where you get that info. cause afaik,the plane is under maintenance and service so there is no collecting dust. plus the availability of aircraft was one of defense secrets and there should not be made pubic. yes it was known the mkm under maintenance and service but that's it. if it was made known,other threat actor will know when to take action or advantage. really hope menhan not saying that.
from Malaysiakini.. Mat sabu said that the maintenance contractor has been terminated and they will get a ' local company' to repair this jet... jeng jeng jeng !!!...I wonder which local company has the capability to repair the sukhoi...
Btw,atsc is a joint venture company between Nadi/airod, Rosboronexport, and finance ministry.. https://m.malaysiakini.com/news/436809 PARLIAMENT | Only four of the 18 Sukhoi fighter jets purchased by the previous administration in 2007 can still fly, revealed Defence Minister Mohamad Sabu.
"Four Sukhoi jets can fly in good condition, while 14 others have been sent for repairs.
"We will try to get a local company (to repair these jets), as the contract of the company appointed by the previous administration had been terminated," he said during the winding up of royal decree debate at Dewan Rakyat today...
KUALA LUMPUR: Only four out of the 28 Russian fighters jets owned by the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) are able to take to the skies, says Mohamad Sabu.
The Defence Minister said that the RMAF had 18 Russian-made Sukhoi Su-30MKM and ten MiG-29 jetfighters.
"Only four of the Sukhois are able to fly well," he said, adding that the remaining 14 are under repair.
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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Jul 31 2018, 09:58 PM)
from Malaysiakini.. Mat sabu said that the maintenance contractor has been terminated and they will get a ' local company' to repair this jet... jeng jeng jeng !!!...I wonder which local company has the capability to repair the sukhoi...
Btw,atsc is a joint venture company between Nadi/airod, Rosboronexport, and finance ministry.. https://m.malaysiakini.com/news/436809 PARLIAMENT | Only four of the 18 Sukhoi fighter jets purchased by the previous administration in 2007 can still fly, revealed Defence Minister Mohamad Sabu.
"Four Sukhoi jets can fly in good condition, while 14 others have been sent for repairs.
"We will try to get a local company (to repair these jets), as the contract of the company appointed by the previous administration had been terminated," he said during the winding up of royal decree debate at Dewan Rakyat today...
ATSC & AIROD is company under NADI AIROD. handle European Jets while ATSC handle Russian jets
on other news, I kinda disagree with Tun M's wishes to abolish MEIO entirely
while indeed there are some bad apples in the agency (just jail that makcik director already for treason), I believe we still need our own version of CIA/MI6.. can't just rely on SB and DSID to handle everything
this is so sad when mat sabu says only 4 out of 18 sukhoi jets can fly now...... the rest is collecting dust..
2 for operations, 2 for training?
lelz, readiness down the drain... i wonder what would happen if terrorist were to hijack a plane and head towards kl
how about the pilots? shake legs?
QUOTE(tuo850 @ Aug 1 2018, 12:15 AM)
KUALA LUMPUR: Only four out of the 28 Russian fighters jets owned by the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) are able to take to the skies, says Mohamad Sabu.
The Defence Minister said that the RMAF had 18 Russian-made Sukhoi Su-30MKM and ten MiG-29 jetfighters.
on other news, I kinda disagree with Tun M's wishes to abolish MEIO entirely
while indeed there are some bad apples in the agency (just jail that makcik director already for treason), I believe we still need our own version of CIA/MI6.. can't just rely on SB and DSID to handle everything
why treason bro??what did that mak cik do??did she involve with something?
how about the pilots? shake legs? mig29 is hopeless already... i wonder what about the f-18
Five RMAF F/A-18D on their way to Darwin for Exercise Pitch Black 2018 including airbus A400. so yeah,its all down to drain now.if something were to happen(hope not).
SU30 pilot?who know?maybe having training,involve with the maintenance or taking a vacation.
the comment by mat sabu was in the parliament when asked about the current situation of jet airworthiness. I am sure he get his information from the air force themselves and that info is not a state secret otherwise the military officers under him would have advice him whether to disclose or not in the parliament
the comment by mat sabu was in the parliament when asked about the current situation of jet airworthiness. I am sure he get his information from the air force themselves and that info is not a state secret otherwise the military officers under him would have advice him whether to disclose or not in the parliament
nah it's completely normal to share about air worthiness... other nations also did it... malaysians just kepochi.. "u doofus Mat Sabu! why u reveal that?? ahhhhhh!! they knew our weakness now! we're gonna get invaded for this tomorrow"... pffttt
QUOTE(zacky chan @ Jul 31 2018, 11:08 PM)
really bro??there is a part saying to support jibby?can you share here. i out of touch with current issue
lelz, readiness down the drain... i wonder what would happen if terrorist were to hijack a plane and head towards kl
how about the pilots? shake legs? mig29 is hopeless already... i wonder what about the f-18
we will give our little dot neighbor a call.... their F-16s or F-15s will be there in no time.... maybe that explain on 5th Apr.... SAF deployed 2 F-15s to escort scoot plane off kuantan water all the way back to SG..
we will give our little dot neighbor a call.... their F-16s or F-15s will be there in no time.... maybe that explain on 5th Apr.... SAF deployed 2 F-15s to escort scoot plane off kuantan water all the way back to SG..
singkie only if its near their airspace... but what if it is at borneo or north of KL?
from flight path that day it way as far as senai only... not all the way to kuantan... so got to give rmaf the benefit of doubt...
sad sg besi is not longer there... good luck to southern states
nah it's completely normal to share about air worthiness... other nations also did it... malaysians just kepochi.. "u doofus Mat Sabu! why u reveal that?? ahhhhhh!! they knew our weakness now! we're gonna get invaded for this tomorrow"... pffttt straits times
other nations also did it???yes they do(german and india did it recently) but at the same time they propose or push the agenda forward. we still need to see what the reaction is. my mentality is with having a presence we can show its our territory. that is why navy and MMEA always presence when other nation asset enter our maritime domain. now what will RMAF do? 5 RMAF F/A-18D at pitch black and 14 under maintenance. what is left if some aircraft enter our air??of course there were never an invader.just like there is never sabah intrusion or ops pasir.
"14. I hope Your Excellency’s esteemed service will be able to report to the Secretary of State, on the complexity of managing this election by Prime Minister Najib and the need to have US support for the present government even if we are to win the election by a simple majority of just one seat. Any indication that the US government would continue to support Prime Minister Najib and his government would definitely strengthen our stability and enhance the existing cordial relationship driven by strong rapport between our two leaders."
this is the paragraph made which could be interpret as treason. but not by much. it just like us saying in the letter "segala usaha dan kerjasama pihak tuan amat saya hargai" but in magnanimous way. just gonna let the authority investigate it clearly.
FYI Gina Haspel was a celeb you know. incharge of CIA black site in Thailand in 2002. the inquiry was good to watch.
the comment by mat sabu was in the parliament when asked about the current situation of jet airworthiness. I am sure he get his information from the air force themselves and that info is not a state secret otherwise the military officers under him would have advice him whether to disclose or not in the parliament
only 2 fighter jet needed to bomb intrusions. hence 4 units are more than sufficient to safeguard the nation for couple decades.
PM should focus on aircraft enigneering not 3rd national car. you can just google youtube to build modern car. but not air/spacecraft parts
just because its not there,does not mean it is feasible or doable. depends on the industry,how many interested if we make aircraft compare to chinese made???how much money would it need to be make radar,integrated weapon and system and even other mission spec. a lot.....its not a lucrative for our country.
the reason the interests was shift toward car was maybe because good manufacture can get to make spare part of other car brands. plus car is a lucrative industry since most people need it. supply and demand.
its best to start early to produce indigenous engines/parts/electronics for air/spacecraft engineering. Nation will then have the ability to service & repair even the smallest of components and sell advanced products.
its best to start early to produce indigenous engines/parts/electronics for air/spacecraft engineering. Nation will then have the ability to service & repair even the smallest of components and sell advanced products.
is't that what AIROD and ATSC objective and done right now?
its best to start early to produce indigenous engines/parts/electronics for air/spacecraft engineering. Nation will then have the ability to service & repair even the smallest of components and sell advanced products.
its best to start early to produce indigenous engines/parts/electronics for air/spacecraft engineering. Nation will then have the ability to service & repair even the smallest of components and sell advanced products.
This is a horrible idea for the same reason as the answer to their question:
Why don't YOU manufacture your own car or handphone or PC instead of buying one from Perodua or Samsung or Asus?
Answer: because you don't know how, it's expensive and time consuming to learn how, and the product would probably be much worse than what is available outside, yet still many times more expensive because you have to set up workshop to build only a few units
RMAF official statement responding to Defence Minister Mohamad Sabu who revealed in Parliament that only four out of 18 Sukhoi Su-30MKM Flanker of the RMAF is serviceable.
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Last March news. Interesting to see a two seater cockpit mock-up.
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Completed KF-X Cockpit Mockup
From March 27th to 28th, COF-X cockpit model (COCKPIT MOCKUP) PVI evaluation committee of the air force pilots made in the cockpit design evaluation room in the aircraft development center. It will also visit the 17th Fighter Squadron (Cheongju) from April 2 to 6, starting with this. The cockpit model (COCKPIT MOCKUP) was created for the purpose of conducting the PVI (PILOT VEHICLE INTERFACE) evaluation during the development of the KF-X cockpit configuration. Based on the evaluation of pilots through CRT (COCKPIT REVIEW TEAM) It will be used to confirm the interior shape of the cockpit.
Malaysia's air force 'severely constrained by tight budget' in managing, maintaining assets
KUALA LUMPUR — A lack of operational funding has resulted in the low serviceability rate plaguing the Royal Malaysian Air Force's (RMAF's) fleet of Su-30MKM Super Flankers.
Air Force chief Affendi Buang said this, adding that the problem was exacerbated by the fact that 12 airframes needed to undergo the mandatory major maintenance check as the jets entered their 10th year of service.
Tan Sri Affendi said since 2007, the annual operational budget allocated for the RMAF was nowhere near the amount needed by the air force to effectively manage and maintain its assets.
"This has been verified by the National Audit Department, based on its 2017 audit. The lack of funds directly impacted the maintenance and serviceability rate of our Su-30MKMs," he said.
As a result, the air force has had to adopt a more prudent approach to maintenance, based on the operational budget available.
Defence Minister Mohamad Sabu recently revealed that only four Super Flankers were operational.
The RMAF acquired 18 examples of the highly-capable multirole fighters, equipping No 11 Squadron, based in Gong Kedak, Terengganu. The first batch of aircraft arrived in 2007, and deliveries were completed in 2009.
"Every one of these Sukhois requires a full, mandatory check as they enter their 10th year of service. This covers everything – from the airframe, avionics, engines, components and flight control systems. This is to ensure that the aircraft are airworthy and that the jets are safe to operate.
"Sukhoi, the original equipment manufacturer, suggested that the maintenance check be implemented in phases, but this was cost-prohibitive.
"The OEM also needed a considerable 'spool-up' time to define the scope of work for these jets as our Su-30MKMs are the latest variant of the 'Flanker'. This would mark the first time that this particular variant is put through this process."
General Affendi added that the work required the aircraft to be sent back to Russia, resulting in additional costs and a longer down-time.
"The high cost of the programme, the scope of work that had not yet been fully defined, and the need for the OEM to conduct the work in Russia, forced the air force to look for alternative solutions."
Gen Affendi said the air force began exploring other options, including the possibility of working 'in-country' through smart partnerships with local maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) organisations and aerospace industry players.
"An Su-30MKM was used as a testbed to validate the programme. We found that we could do it at a fraction of the original cost. It also reduced our dependence on the Russian OEM."
Gen Affendi was confident that this option would enable the air force to follow through with its maintenance programme, within the budget stipulated by the government.
"We are fine-tuning our requirements for the programme, but I must add that we are severely constrained by our very tight annual operational budget.
"Also, the research and development phase of this programme takes time. And in that time, 12 Su-30MKMs would have reached their 10-year life cycle and would have to undergo this process.
"This means that we will only have six aircraft operational," said Gen Affendi.
"We badly need a bigger budget to carry out this programme and to ensure that the Su-30MKMs are at optimal readiness." THE NEW STRAITS TIMES
The Tulpar 105mm is based from Tulpar IFV whereas Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank is a dedicated tank design with its engine located at the rear. Tulpar is standard Stanag level 2 but can be upgraded to level 5 whereas Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank is Stanag level 5. Both uses the CMI 3105 turret that can fire the Falarick 105 GLATGM. ST Kinetics/SAIC MPF for the US Army also use the CMI 3105 turret.
This post has been edited by azriel: Aug 4 2018, 11:48 AM
The Tulpar 105mm is based from Tulpar IFV whereas Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank is a dedicated tank design with its engine located at the rear. Tulpar is standard Stanag level 2 but can be upgraded to level 5 whereas Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank is Stanag level 5. Both uses the CMI 3105 turret that can fire the Falarick 105 GLATGM. ST Kinetics/SAIC MPF for the US Army also use the CMI 3105 turret.
US Army Delta Force sergeant major dies during free-fall parachute training
A highly decorated special operations soldier has died from wounds received during military free-fall training, U.S. Army Special Operations Command confirmed Friday.
Sgt. Maj. Christopher Nelms died July 1 while training in Laurinburg, North Carolina, Lt. Col. Robert Bockholt, a spokesman for USASOC, said in a statement to Army Times.
Nelms' death, which the Army did not announce, was first reported by Yahoo News.
Nelms, who Yahoo News identified as a member of the Army’s elite and secretive Delta Force, died when his parachute failed to fully open during a June 27 jump, the outlet reported.
Bockholt told Army Times the incident is under investigation. He declined to provide any more information.
Nelms, 46, of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, joined the Army in 1990 as an infantryman. He served with 1st Battalion, 9th Infantry Regiment at what’s now Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington, deploying to the Philippines and twice to Iraq, according to information from USASOC.
Nelms then served in the Army National Guard’s 19th Special Forces Group, according to Yahoo News.
In 2008, Nelms returned to active duty and was assigned to U.S. Special Operations Command, where he served as an assault team member, an assistant team sergeant, a team sergeant, an operations sergeant major and a troop sergeant major, according to USASOC.
He deployed six times to Iraq and Afghanistan and once to Niger.
“He had a great reputation,” a former Delta operator who knew Nelms told Yahoo News. “Everyone who serves at the unit is handpicked, so whether it’s [in training] or in combat, the reality is losing someone at that level is devastating."
Nelms was “irreplaceable,” the former operator said, according to Yahoo News. “It’ll be a decade before someone can fill those kinds of slots, with that experience, with that training.”
Nelms’ awards and decorations include two Silver Stars, the Soldier’s Medal, six Bronze Star medals, one with the V device, two Defense Meritorious Service Medals, the Meritorious Service Medal, the Joint Service Commendation Medal with V device, two Army Commendation Medals, the Joint Service Achievement Medal with C device, the Afghanistan Campaign Medal with two Bronze Service Stars, the Iraq Campaign Medal with two Bronze Service Stars, and the Inherent Resolve Campaign Medal with one Bronze Service Star.
He also had the Special Forces tab, the Ranger tab, the Combat Infantryman Badge, the Expert Infantryman Badge, the Military Freefall Jumpmaster Badge, the Master Parachutist Badge, the Air Assault Badge and the Special Operations Diver Badge.
A notice of his death posted on July 16 on SOCNET, the Special Operations Community Network, stated that Nelms had participated in the Best Ranger competition, was once a Washington state firefighter and was married with two children.
On July 11, Eastside Fire & Rescue, in Issaquah, Washington, posted that Nelms joined the department in 1997 and was a firefighter for 10 years before going back to active duty.
Nelms was posthumously awarded the Legion of Merit.
He was the second special operations soldier to die this year during free-fall training.
Sgt. Maj. Samuel Morris McAllister, 45, died on Jan. 24 in Eloy, Arizona. McAllister, who was posthumously promoted from master sergeant to sergeant major, was an infantry senior sergeant with the 75th Ranger Regiment.
Indonesian Army Special Forces Kopassus new locally made P6-ATAV (All Terrain Assault Vehicle) by PT Sentra Surya Ekajaya. Credit to Tuneup Digital Media.
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The Israeli military has big plans for small drones
For decades, Israel’s Air Force has been operating unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) in varying sizes and applications. Now, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) is turning its gaze to small rotorcrafts manufactured by the likes of Israeli Aeronautics Ltd. and Chinese company DJI.
The IDF currently uses over 400 drones and has over a thousand soldiers trained as operators. It uses small, low-cost drones deployed at the company level. Most of the off-the-shelf drones used are manufactured by DJI, with the most widely used model being the DJI Mavic—a modifiable, super light pocket drone that is easy to operate in an urban environment.
According to Liran Antebi, a research fellow at the Institute for National Security Studies, the IDF’s increasing use of drones is part of a trend that is seeing armies worldwide adapting simple consumer drones to a variety of combat applications.
“There are many missions to accomplish, and some of them are simply easier when you can cover the area from above,” Antebi told Calcalist in an interview on Thursday.
According to her, larger UAV systems are very costly to buy and operate. “You are always looking to solve problems for less,” she said. “We are at a time when private companies have research and development budgets that are bigger than the defense budgets of small- and medium-sized countries. We have to be able to use off-the-shelf [solutions] because that is what the other side is doing.”
Real-world applications
The military started utilizing off-the-shelf drones in the summer of 2014 in one of the violent eruptions in Gaza. Before the introduction of low-cost drones, only the special forces could use real-time aerial photography in ground operations, said Major Assaf Shaish, the head of the IDF’s drone department. Now, drones assist IDF soldiers as they carry out arrests in the narrow alleyways of Palestinian cities.
The IDF supplies ground companies with a kit that typically includes three drones, batteries, command and control devices, and a charging unit. Special ops and reconnaissance units get bigger, more costly drones.
The drones are operated by soldiers that have completed a one-week course, which include lessons on basic aerodynamic principles and aerial photography analysis. Shaish said the IDF is aiming to train as many soldiers as possible to be drone operators.
“Drones let commanding officers make data-based decisions,” Shaish said. “It improves their confidence.”
The department he heads has been developing new operational drones, in collaboration with the Israeli Ministry of Defense (Mafat) and civilian defense contractors.
Israeli defense contractor Elbit Systems Ltd. has been working with the IDF to develop a large drone capable of longer flight time, and drone maker Aeronautics Defense Systems Ltd. is developing a drone that could carry dozens of kilograms worth of equipment.
“We recently started focusing on combat logistics, attempting to replace existing methods of supplying medicine and munitions with drones,” Shaish said. According to him, the IDF is also testing the use of drones for disarming explosives.
“We are testing everything that could have operational value, every option of attacking with a drone,” he said. “Even suicide drones.” According to Shaish, the IDF is not operating attack drones currently, but deployment plans are underway.
Upcoming use cases
Since the time of the interview, two Israeli defense contractors, Rafael Advanced Defense Systems Ltd. and government-owned Israel Aerospace Industries Ltd. (IAI) have unveiled suicide drones designed to attack and kill people. These drones are expected to become available to the IDF within months.
Rafael has unveiled its Firefly armed drone earlier this year. Weighing only 3 kilograms, the Firefly can carry a warhead weighing up to 350 grams and remain airborne for up to 15 minutes before crashing and exploding into its target. Earlier this month, IAI also unveiled a new so-called “suicide drone” in a video, announcing it has completed a proof of concept for the device, which uses a grenade to attack targets.
Drone swarms are also being developed. These are created with specific tasks in mind—from pushing back protesters and enemy forces to supplying attack missions. The Israeli military is also looking into control systems that can autonomously fly these drones, Shaish added. One such system is currently being tested by the IDF and is expected to be operational within the next two years.
According to Shaish, Mafat has been testing several pilots for drone swarms in collaboration with some of Israel’s top defense contractors like Israeli Elbit, Rafael, and IAI.
“This is a natural evolution of this type of machine,” Shaish said.
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Dua Kapal TNI AL dan Pasukan TNI AD Berangkat dari Surabaya Kirim Bantuan Gempa Bumi NTB
Pasca gempa bumi di NTB kemarin, dua kapal TNI Angkatan Laut (AL) dan pasukan TNI Angkatan Darat (AD) berangkat ke Lombok, NTB, Senin (6/8/2018) dari Dermaga Madura Ujung Surabaya.
Dua kapal itu adalah KRI dr Soeharso-990 dan KRI Karel Satsuitubun-356. Seperti informasi yang didapat Surya.co.id dari Kadispenkoarmada II Letkol Laut (KH) Suratno SS, kapal diberangkatkan ke Lombok, NTB untuk penanggulangan bencana gempa bumi, berdasarkan perintah langsung Presiden RI Joko Widodo kepada Panglima TNI Marsekal Hadi Tjahjanto.
Dua kapal membawa serta Satgas Pasukan Reaksi Cepat Penanggulangan Bencana (PCRPB) TNI beserta bantuan logistik seperti Sarden, Air Mineral, Roti dan Mie Instan. Dalam kapal tersebut turut serta Tim Kesehatan TNI AL sejumlah 60 personel terdiri dari dokter, perawat, tenaga medis, sekaligus satu paket obat-obatan dari Lembaga Farmasi TNI AL.
Selain itu Yonzipur (Batalyon Zeni Tempur) 10 Divisi II Kostrad juga mengirimkan personel 100 prajurit, dipimpin Lettu CZI M Fariz Zain beserta alat-alat berat, seperti Dumptruck, Crane Cargo, Selfloader, Backhoe Loader, Exca PC 70, Ran penjernih air, Forklift, Lighting tower, dan alat bantu keselamatan lainnya.
Setelah tiba di lokasi nanti, KRI dr Soeharso-990 berfungsi sebagai kapal rumah sakit yang dilengkapi dengan peralatan medis.
Indonesia expecting first Su-35 fighter jet for October
POSTED ON MONDAY, 06 AUGUST 2018 16:12
Indonesia is waiting to receive the first Su-35 Russian fighter jet by October this year, Indonesian Ambassador to Russia Mohammad Wahid Supriyadi has said. "We expect the first out of eleven S-35 fighter jets to be delivered by October this year," he said. "We mark the Indonesian National Armed Forces Day in October and we want to time the aircraft’s delivery to coincide with this date," the Indonesian diplomat said.
Indonesia hopes to receive the aircraft as soon as possible. "The sooner the better," the ambassador said, but the sides are now discussing technical details.
Previous reports said that Jakarta wanted to buy 10 multirole Su-35 fighter jets to replace the outdated U.S. F-5 Tiger aircraft, which have been in service with the Indonesian army since 1980. The Russian State Corporation Rostec reported later that Indonesia had received a commercial offer, which mentioned 11 aircraft.
The fighter jet is supposed to be handed over to the Indonesian side before October 5 when a parade usually takes place in Indonesia to mark the 73rd anniversary of foundation of the Indonesian National Armed Forces. The Su-35 fighter jet is expected to participate in the parade.
It is not the first time that Indonesia is going to demonstrate new military hardware at a parade. The tradition goes back to 1959 when the Soviet MiG-17 and MiG-19 fighter jets participated in the parade for the first time. Indonesia demonstrated the Soviet-made S-75 Dvina anti-aircraft missile system at another parade, which took place in 1962.
Indonesian Air Force Chief: Indonesian Air Force to be equipped with Su-35 Fighter Jets, C-130J Super Hercules, AWACS Aircraft, Air Refueling Tanker Aircraft, Amphibian Aircraft, Heavylift & Combat SAR Helicopter and UAVs.
Photo by Alex Sidharta
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Lebih jauh Kasau menyampaikan, TNI Angkatan Udara tengah mengembangkan kekuatan serta meningkatkan kemampuan untuk mewujudkan TNI AU yang berkelas, kuat, andal dan disegani. Berbagai alutsista baru akan memperkuat jajaran TNI AU seperti pesawat tempur Sukhoi Su-35, pesawat angkut Hercules tipe-J, pesawat AWACS, jet tanker, pesawat amfibi, helikopter angkut berat dan combat SAR, serta pesawat nirawak/UAV. Pengembangan kekuatan tersebut tentunya memerlukan insan udara masa depan yang mumpuni untuk mengawakinya.
Indonesian Air Force Chief: Indonesian Air Force to be equipped with Su-35 Fighter Jets, C-130J Super Hercules, AWACS Aircraft, Air Refueling Tanker Aircraft, Amphibian Aircraft, Heavylift & Combat SAR Helicopter and UAVs.
really??all those?isn't that a butt load of money there.... must be nice
indons talk better take it with a pinch of salt... until there's a pic/vid of the asset in their hangar... same goes with peenoise and yindia... msia to a certain extent
indons talk better take it with a pinch of salt... until there's a pic/vid of the asset in their hangar... same goes with peenoise and yindia... msia to a certain extent
yeah...we can expect that from Indonesia and Philippine...but does india same with them??to me they seem good so far except some hiccups ofkos.
indons talk better take it with a pinch of salt... until there's a pic/vid of the asset in their hangar... same goes with peenoise and yindia... msia to a certain extent
Lets see based from the news: • Su-35 Fighter Jets --> Done Deal. • C-130J Super Hercules ---> https://www.angkasareview.com/2018/07/29/tn...sia-tahun-2019/ • Aerial Refueling Tanker ---> https://www.janes.com/article/77173/indones...ker-requirement Indonesian Air Force Technical Review Report concluded in favor with the KC-46A Pegasus over the Airbus MRTT. • Heavylift & Combat SAR Helicopter --> The Air Force wants more AW101. • Amphibian Aircraft --> Be-200 MOU signed between Beriev and PT Infinity Global Mandiri. The competitor is the US-2 Shinmaywa.
lol.. i mean in terms of declaring intention to procure.. 80% of the time it doesnt happen or a watered down deal is done
Don't compare Indonesia & Philippine lah.
I remember when news of Indonesia intention to buy the AH-64E Apache everbody was laughing. From the intention to buy the Apache Guardian, Leopard 2RI, Javelin ATGM, NASAMS Medium SAM...etc all became a reality.
This post has been edited by azriel: Aug 7 2018, 11:15 AM
Yes. Procurement plan in TNI Minimum Essential Force (MEF) 2 & 3 which ends in 2024.
i support the plan for TNI AL but others, i dont think so. the TNI AL increasing vessel and support facilities is a good thing and will bring development to the neighborhood so its good. for other i dont see it become better. dont know what the higher ups see.
wedgetail for AWACS ???that is super surprise
sorry if i offend you at comment before. it just this thing takes a lot of times and it build a lot of unnecessary antagonize when visiting the Indonesian forum by its user making any discussion just frustrating and inconvenience.
i support the plan for TNI AL but others, i dont think so. the TNI AL increasing vessel and support facilities is a good thing and will bring development to the neighborhood so its good. for other i dont see it become better. dont know what the higher ups see.
wedgetail for AWACS ???that is super surprise
sorry if i offend you at comment before. it just this thing takes a lot of times and it build a lot of unnecessary antagonize when visiting the Indonesian forum by its user making any discussion just frustrating and inconvenience.
Not at all. Actually i wasn't referring to you.
Besides replacing outdated military assets, Indonesia needs more assets for the Armed Force to cover its vast land, sea and airspace.
The Indonesian Air Force is forming 3 new Fighter Squadron. The candidates are F-16V, Gripen and FA-50 with the Rafale and Eurofighter pitching in also. The F-16V is the favorite.
SHAH ALAM: Future Plan, RMAF Cap 55. RMAF has published a graphic of its Capability 55 program detailing its plans up to 2055. The existence of the plan was first made public during the media interview ahead of this year’s anniversary celebration.
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Based on the graphics, RMAF future fast jet fleet will be two types, a multi role combat aircraft (MRCA) and the light combat aircraft (LCA) divided into five squadrons. Based on past and current squadron strength I am assuming that the MRCA will have 36 aircraft while the LCA 54. From the 54 LCA, it is likely that around 12 will be used as the lead-fighter-trainer (LIFT).
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The transport squadron will be reduced to three squadrons from the current four while the type will be reduced from four to two. The first transport squadron will be for the strategic/MRTT roles while the two others will be tactical airlifters.
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Under the plan, there will be only two helicopter squadrons with the type reduce to one. There will also be one squadron of MPA, long endurance UAS and AEW. The RMAF of the future will operate nine ground based air defence radars as well as one regiment of ground based air defence (GBAD) system. As the air force did not identify the types of the aircraft and ground based systems. RMAF says the plan’s main impact will be the optimisation of the budget for most maximum impact. This is the first long term plan from the service which had been made public in recent memory. It goes to show that the RMAF and its sister services always had their plans despite claims otherwise. The biggest question, will the plan survives the first contact with the politicians, remained unanswered. Hopefully by October, we will have some hints, at least. — Malaysian Defence
so, for future RMAF fleet if all go as plan MIGHT BE :
The Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) will be celebrating its 50th anniversary (RSAF50) over the National Day weekend, with a series of aerial displays at Marina Barrage featuring various RSAF aircraft.
The highlights of the show include an inaugural display by two AH-64D Apache Attack helicopters, as well as an integrated formation of an F-15SG Strike Eagle decked in RSAF50 livery and two F-16C Fighting Falcons executing high speed aerial manoeuvres. This will also be the first time an unmanned aircraft - the Heron-1 Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) – is participating in such a show.
Sistem Pertahanan Udara atau Ground Based Air Defence satu elemen pertahanan bagi Tentera Udara bagi melindungi aset, pangkalan dan lokasi strategik.
Ia terdiri dari sistem radar, sistem komunikasi, meriam anti udara serta sistem misil. Kini dengan berkembangan teknologi sistem-sistem ini mampu bergerak secara mobiliti ke kawasan tertentu. Ia menjurus kepada penggunaan sistem C4ISTAR yang bermaksud "Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Information/Intelligence, Surveillance, Targeting Acquisition and Reconnaissance."
Di Asia Tenggara, beberapa Tentera Udara memiliki beberapa sistem pertahanan udara antaranya:
Indonesia NASAMS 2 Mid Range SAM Chiron MANPADS QW-3 MANPADS Skyshield AAG (Twin Oerlikon 35mm)
Myanmar Tor M-1 Mid Range SAM Kub Mid Range SAM Buk M-1 Mid Range SAM
Singapura Eurosam SAMP/T (Aster 30) Mobile Mid Range SAM SPYDER (Python-5/Derby) Mobile Shorad SAM Mistral MANPADS Igla MANPADS RBS 70 MANPADS GDF-001/002 AAG (Twin Oerlikon 35mm)
Thailand KS-1C Mobile Mid Range SAM ADATS Shorad SAM RBS 70 MANPADS QW-2 MANPADS Rheinmetall Mauser Mk.30 mod.F AAG Bofors 40mm L/70 AAG Type 74 37mm AAG
Vietnam S-300 Long Range SAM S-125 Penchora 2TM Mid Range SAM S-75M Volga Mid Range SAM Kub Mid Range SAM Strela Mobile Shorad SAM SPYDER (Python-5/Derby) Mobile Shorad SAM SA-7 MANPADS Igla MANPADS ZSU Mobile AAG
Malaysia mempunyai sistem rangkaian pertahanan udara yang baik menerusi Program Sistem Pertahanan Udara Nasional (NADS). Ia melibat pembangunan sistem-sistem radar ketahap tertinggi untuk memastikan tahap kesiagaan dalam keadaan terbaik.
Kejadian MH370 merencat tahap keupayaan sistem ini apabila ia gagal berkerjasama dengan sistem awam dari Jabatan Penerbangan Awam (kini Suruhajaya Penerbangan Awam Malaysia). Kini proses kolaborasi sedang dilakukan dengan pembinaan satu fasiliti gabungan di KLIA.
Namun begitu, aset Pertahanan Udara GBAD amat mengecewakan dengan Grup Pertahanan Udara GAPU Rejimen Artileri serta Pasukan Pertahanan Udara PPU TLDM dan TUDM tidak mencapai jarak yang sesuai berbanding dengan sistem radar dan elektronik berteknologi dan keupayaan tinggi.
Sistem Starstreak yang digunakan ketiga-tiga cabang ATM hanya mampu mencapai sasaran 7km berbanding sistem pertahanan Mid Range SAM yang mampu mencapai sasaran lebih 25km.
Beberapa sistem GBAD pernah ditawarkan kepada Malaysia antara Buk M-2, NASAMS (misil Iris T/Sidewinder & AMRAAM), Eurosam SAMP/T (Mica/Aster), Advance Hawk (misil Sidewinder & AMRAAM), KS-1, FK-3 & HQ-16.
Sejak 2000, tiada satu pun sistem GBAD Mid Range SAM berjaya memasuki perkhidmatan GAPU mahupun PPU. Kos sekurangnya RM5 - 6 Billion perlu disediakan sekurangnya 12 unit Bateri dilihat satu kos yang tinggi. Namun ia amat diperlukan agar tidak mengunakan aset tempur seperti Jet Pejuang secara berterusan. Melalui program CAP55 TUDM berharap mendapatkan 1 Rejimen penuh GBAD disamping 9 unit radar baharu
i support the plan for TNI AL but others, i dont think so. the TNI AL increasing vessel and support facilities is a good thing and will bring development to the neighborhood so its good. for other i dont see it become better. dont know what the higher ups see.
wedgetail for AWACS ???that is super surprise
sorry if i offend you at comment before. it just this thing takes a lot of times and it build a lot of unnecessary antagonize when visiting the Indonesian forum by its user making any discussion just frustrating and inconvenience.
I think it does get better....regardless of whether it's significant or not...
Like a new class of LPD has been launched recently by PT PAL, which is a modified Tarlac class. And there's a plan for second batch of Chang Bogo submarines produced mostly locally.
Di Asia Tenggara, beberapa Tentera Udara memiliki beberapa sistem pertahanan udara antaranya:
Indonesia NASAMS 2 Mid Range SAM Chiron MANPADS QW-3 MANPADS Skyshield AAG (Twin Oerlikon 35mm)
AFAIK...the list should be like this.
Indonesia NASAMS 2 Mid Range SAM Chiron MANPADS QW-3 MANPADS Skyshield AAG (Twin Oerlikon 35mm) Grom VSHORAD Mobile RBS-70 Mistral VSHORAD Mobile Starstreak VSHORAD Mobile TD-2000B Mobile
This post has been edited by azriel: Aug 8 2018, 09:22 PM
I think it does get better....regardless of whether it's significant or not...
Like a new class of LPD has been launched recently by PT PAL, which is a modified Tarlac class. And there's a plan for second batch of Chang Bogo submarines produced mostly locally.
if its for TNI AL,i support as i mention. whether it subs projects or other. its the other service which seem off. but who know. maybe...
This post has been edited by zacky chan: Aug 8 2018, 09:28 PM
Sistem Pertahanan Udara atau Ground Based Air Defence satu elemen pertahanan bagi Tentera Udara bagi melindungi aset, pangkalan dan lokasi strategik.
sos bro???really want to know who wrote this. or its you who wrote it?
logistic is the nightmare of country such as Malaysia and Indonesia since separate by ocean. it need a lot of resources to cover and some place in budget need to be sacrifice to keep it up. can the politician accept that???
a lot of things need to be study before adapting any SAM for Malaysia. preferably GAPU should be in charge for all this asset and be place under each service. but its hard to get all those work together.
best for Malaysia is SAMP/T(aster) or NASAMS(I read somewhere it can use ESSM) since both have naval variant that can be used by navy so cost saving
Lithuania bought 4 used NASAMS launchers for $126m
The Indonesia deal is reported at $77m by some parties. What and how much did they buy?
azriel
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sos bro???really want to know who wrote this. or its you who wrote it?
logistic is the nightmare of country such as Malaysia and Indonesia since separate by ocean. it need a lot of resources to cover and some place in budget need to be sacrifice to keep it up. can the politician accept that???
a lot of things need to be study before adapting any SAM for Malaysia. preferably GAPU should be in charge for all this asset and be place under each service. but its hard to get all those work together.
best for Malaysia is SAMP/T(aster) or NASAMS(I read somewhere it can use ESSM) since both have naval variant that can be used by navy so cost saving
why he stand so far... how old is he? new pangkonstrad very sexy
Lol.
New Panglima Kostrad Lt.Gen Andika Perkasa visited Kostrad 1st Cavalry Battalion and was greeted with a display of the Leopard 2A4 & Leopard 2RI, Badger AEV, Buffel ARV and Beaver AVLB and a demonstration of the Leopard 2RI MBTs.
This post has been edited by azriel: Aug 8 2018, 10:56 PM
hmmm, seems like there's an obesity problem... and the fittest is a civi
fitness is hard to gauge...a lot of thing need to be consider to be called fit from %of body fat and muscle to the easier BMI. it also involve routine,food consumption and other factor. hard to gauge
why he stand so far... how old is he? new pangkonstrad very sexy
Alamak.... not sure bro. He was a nuri pilot when he started his career. Then moved as sultan pahang's pilot. When he was a colonel, he led the project team for army agusta 109. Now he is the gong kedak airbase commander.
hm.....hard to say bro. IMO the best option for navy was ESSM and not VL MICA. the reason MICA was choose because its fire and forget and easier to use compare to ESSM. but ESSM Block II seems better with improve guidance. what your pick on this?
NASAM need American support?so??is there any issue with US?so far US support can be consider good as they consider money as rule. as long as we have money,they will do.
sos bro???really want to know who wrote this. or its you who wrote it?
logistic is the nightmare of country such as Malaysia and Indonesia since separate by ocean. it need a lot of resources to cover and some place in budget need to be sacrifice to keep it up. can the politician accept that???
a lot of things need to be study before adapting any SAM for Malaysia. preferably GAPU should be in charge for all this asset and be place under each service. but its hard to get all those work together.
best for Malaysia is SAMP/T(aster) or NASAMS(I read somewhere it can use ESSM) since both have naval variant that can be used by navy so cost saving
indeed ground base air defense system only for strategic assets protection due to limited coverage range... you want to protect your sky... u need air force
This post has been edited by sukhoi35mk: Aug 8 2018, 11:02 PM
hm.....hard to say bro. IMO the best option for navy was ESSM and not VL MICA. the reason MICA was choose because its fire and forget and easier to use compare to ESSM. but ESSM Block II seems better with improve guidance. what your pick on this?
NASAM need American support?so??is there any issue with US?so far US support can be consider good as they consider money as rule. as long as we have money,they will do.
In fantasyland if we could pick anything we want of ESSM, MICA, Aster of course we can think like that, but politics is politics.
Anyway now the thing is done, moving forward we have to continue with what we have decided, no?
Cons is that US may restrict sales so you're always tied to them politically, also Indons already operate NASAM
Pros is that US has already sold us C7 Amraams for Airforce, and with their massive stocks, whenever you think war is coming you can topup from them, whereas Europeans don't keep stocks on hand
(However Cons again is that you can't do this if US doesn't want you to fight of course)
The reality is that when you deal with any superpower, they will want something. Unless you're buying from the Europeans who have few political interests they consider worth arguing over with us.
QUOTE(sukhoi35mk @ Aug 8 2018, 10:58 PM)
indeed ground base radar/defense system only for strategic assets protection due to limited coverage range... you want to protect your sky....u need air force....
Yeah but now we have no MR-SAM for intermediate layer air defence
plus cost factor; $100 million for 1 MRCA or 3 NASAM launchers is quite a thing to thnk about, considering also operating costs
In fantasyland if we could pick anything we want of ESSM, MICA, Aster of course we can think like that, but politics is politics.
Anyway now the thing is done, moving forward we have to continue with what we have decided, no?
Cons is that US may restrict sales so you're always tied to them politically, also Indons already operate NASAM
Pros is that US has already sold us C7 Amraams for Airforce, and with their massive stocks, whenever you think war is coming you can topup from them, whereas Europeans don't keep stocks on hand
(However Cons again is that you can't do this if US doesn't want you to fight of course)
The reality is that when you deal with any superpower, they will want something. Unless you're buying from the Europeans who have few political interests they consider worth arguing over with us.
i thought we have problem with EU before in regard to palm oil,human trafficking and others. we tried to get friendly with EU but dont know what happen.well, its a nature since all nation want something from each other especially the superpower one. hard to said about diplomasi. even Canada which blame and public shaming Saudi over it citizen arrest now trying to do it other way since it have backfired. US dont want to help Canada and they are alone. its the same with SEA nation where they(US) bought hundreds million to ASEAN to bought strategic partnership. well, its hard to said about those superpower. so far they will not restrict unless there is war and they(the superpowers) are losing.
to me, US made is good as they tested the weapon and equipment regularly and the ESSM block II will be test against missile soon.
indeed ground base air defense system only for strategic assets protection due to limited coverage range... you want to protect your sky... u need air force
having AF ready 24/7 and have enough aircraft to cover whole country is a complicated game. the reason GBAD was there as a way to intercept those threat(missile,UAV or jet) and buy enough time for AF to send asset to intercept or hunt.
so far they will not restrict unless there is war and they(the superpowers) are losing.
to me, US made is good as they tested the weapon and equipment regularly and the ESSM block II will be test against missile soon.
Refer the story of Argentina in 1982 They tried to fight UK with the political assessment that neither US nor France would help them They were very sadly mistaken and paid the price
Canada and US just having a relatively minor dispute, in the big picture, they are still tied together since Canada is an indispensable partner of the NORAD pact
We have some problems with EU but again, nothing very major. So long as we pay them cash and not palm oil they will happily take it.
We are caught however in the middle of the US, Russia and China superpower clash. Whoever we buy from amongst these 3 will want something from us - US and China over SEA issues, Russia over Mh17
Sure ESSM probably is better. But there are financial and political costs to picking it as MR-SAM. End of the day the decision has been made, better to look forward now.
Refer the story of Argentina in 1982 They tried to fight UK with the political assessment that neither US nor France would help them They were very sadly mistaken and paid the price
Canada and US just having a relatively minor dispute, in the big picture, they are still tied together since Canada is an indispensable partner of the NORAD pact
We have some problems with EU but again, nothing very major. So long as we pay them cash and not palm oil they will happily take it.
We are caught however in the middle of the US, Russia and China superpower clash. Whoever we buy from amongst these 3 will want something from us - US and China over SEA issues, Russia over Mh17
Sure ESSM probably is better. But there are financial and political costs to picking it as MR-SAM. End of the day the decision has been made, better to look forward now.
sorry if my points was not made clear. but what i was trying to said earlier is,no matter the circumstance there is nothing to worry from buying from US or EU. we have issue but it does not hinder the relationship to the point of embargo or sanction.
my brooding over ESSM and MICA was because when say about SAM, most people goes to S400 or S300 or even patriot system which is expensive and overkill for us. its good to say this things as people read and educate them. plus most never think the good of commonality in reduce cost and logistic.
about Argentina war, i dont know how they got the conclusion US and France wont butt in but US have a lot to gain from Argentina lose rather than won in IMO.
Sistem Pertahanan Udara atau Ground Based Air Defence satu elemen pertahanan bagi Tentera Udara bagi melindungi aset, pangkalan dan lokasi strategik.
Ia terdiri dari sistem radar, sistem komunikasi, meriam anti udara serta sistem misil. Kini dengan berkembangan teknologi sistem-sistem ini mampu bergerak secara mobiliti ke kawasan tertentu. Ia menjurus kepada penggunaan sistem C4ISTAR yang bermaksud "Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Information/Intelligence, Surveillance, Targeting Acquisition and Reconnaissance."
Di Asia Tenggara, beberapa Tentera Udara memiliki beberapa sistem pertahanan udara antaranya:
Indonesia NASAMS 2 Mid Range SAM Chiron MANPADS QW-3 MANPADS Skyshield AAG (Twin Oerlikon 35mm)
Myanmar Tor M-1 Mid Range SAM Kub Mid Range SAM Buk M-1 Mid Range SAM
Singapura Eurosam SAMP/T (Aster 30) Mobile Mid Range SAM SPYDER (Python-5/Derby) Mobile Shorad SAM Mistral MANPADS Igla MANPADS RBS 70 MANPADS GDF-001/002 AAG (Twin Oerlikon 35mm)
Thailand KS-1C Mobile Mid Range SAM ADATS Shorad SAM RBS 70 MANPADS QW-2 MANPADS Rheinmetall Mauser Mk.30 mod.F AAG Bofors 40mm L/70 AAG Type 74 37mm AAG
Vietnam S-300 Long Range SAM S-125 Penchora 2TM Mid Range SAM S-75M Volga Mid Range SAM Kub Mid Range SAM Strela Mobile Shorad SAM SPYDER (Python-5/Derby) Mobile Shorad SAM SA-7 MANPADS Igla MANPADS ZSU Mobile AAG
Malaysia mempunyai sistem rangkaian pertahanan udara yang baik menerusi Program Sistem Pertahanan Udara Nasional (NADS). Ia melibat pembangunan sistem-sistem radar ketahap tertinggi untuk memastikan tahap kesiagaan dalam keadaan terbaik.
Kejadian MH370 merencat tahap keupayaan sistem ini apabila ia gagal berkerjasama dengan sistem awam dari Jabatan Penerbangan Awam (kini Suruhajaya Penerbangan Awam Malaysia). Kini proses kolaborasi sedang dilakukan dengan pembinaan satu fasiliti gabungan di KLIA.
Namun begitu, aset Pertahanan Udara GBAD amat mengecewakan dengan Grup Pertahanan Udara GAPU Rejimen Artileri serta Pasukan Pertahanan Udara PPU TLDM dan TUDM tidak mencapai jarak yang sesuai berbanding dengan sistem radar dan elektronik berteknologi dan keupayaan tinggi.
Sistem Starstreak yang digunakan ketiga-tiga cabang ATM hanya mampu mencapai sasaran 7km berbanding sistem pertahanan Mid Range SAM yang mampu mencapai sasaran lebih 25km.
Beberapa sistem GBAD pernah ditawarkan kepada Malaysia antara Buk M-2, NASAMS (misil Iris T/Sidewinder & AMRAAM), Eurosam SAMP/T (Mica/Aster), Advance Hawk (misil Sidewinder & AMRAAM), KS-1, FK-3 & HQ-16.
Sejak 2000, tiada satu pun sistem GBAD Mid Range SAM berjaya memasuki perkhidmatan GAPU mahupun PPU. Kos sekurangnya RM5 - 6 Billion perlu disediakan sekurangnya 12 unit Bateri dilihat satu kos yang tinggi. Namun ia amat diperlukan agar tidak mengunakan aset tempur seperti Jet Pejuang secara berterusan. Melalui program CAP55 TUDM berharap mendapatkan 1 Rejimen penuh GBAD disamping 9 unit radar baharu
Aster 30 SMPT at >120km is a long range missile system. Aster 15 at >30km is the medium range version.
As for NASAM, I know the sale brochure denotes medium range. But it is in the same categoey as Spyder SR. Both NASAM and Spyder uses a medium range aams i.e. Amraam versus Derby/python 5. Maximum for both systems (if they leverage on the latest version of both missiles) range is probably around 15km to 30km at most. Note: the latest Derby is comparable to Amraam 120d. Indonesia does not have Amraam 120d.
hmmm, seems like there's an obesity problem... and the fittest is a civi
Hah, konpem ATSC dapat balik maintenance contract Su-30MKM. ATSC tu anak emas Tok Madey sejak pembelian MiG-29N lagi.
Ingat lagi yang CEO ATSC masih dok berangan nak tawarkan pakej upgrade MiG-29N kepada MiG-29SM masa LIMA lepas ... siap sign MoU kat Moscow ngan Rosobonorexport.
Ni Tok Madey dah jadi PM-7, rasa2nya ATSC ada can ke hidupkan balik pakej upgrade MiG-29N tu?
This post has been edited by Protoculture: Aug 9 2018, 11:14 AM
Alamak.... not sure bro. He was a nuri pilot when he started his career. Then moved as sultan pahang's pilot. When he was a colonel, he led the project team for army agusta 109. Now he is the gong kedak airbase commander.
sorry if my points was not made clear. but what i was trying to said earlier is,no matter the circumstance there is nothing to worry from buying from US or EU. we have issue but it does not hinder the relationship to the point of embargo or sanction.
my brooding over ESSM and MICA was because when say about SAM, most people goes to S400 or S300 or even patriot system which is expensive and overkill for us. its good to say this things as people read and educate them. plus most never think the good of commonality in reduce cost and logistic.
about Argentina war, i dont know how they got the conclusion US and France wont butt in but US have a lot to gain from Argentina lose rather than won in IMO.
Yes, there are political considerations. US does refuse us certain things, and it will be much worse if we actively go against their interests e.g. fight Singkie.
Good considerations there. But also have to consider our other assets.
Hindsight is 20/20... I'm sure the Argies had their reasoning. They were indeed a US ally at the time - they badly underestimated US-UK relationship and overestimated their own relationship with US... plus they even assessed that UK would not even go to war.
azriel How many NASAMs did Indonesia buy again? What was the reported cost?
fitness is hard to gauge...a lot of thing need to be consider to be called fit from %of body fat and muscle to the easier BMI. it also involve routine,food consumption and other factor. hard to gauge
that's true... my logistics warrant have a pot belly but he sure can score well in his fitness test...
but belly dont look good and hard to justify the boys to get fitter when seniors/officers dont look fit
QUOTE(LTZ @ Aug 9 2018, 12:52 AM)
Alamak.... not sure bro. He was a nuri pilot when he started his career. Then moved as sultan pahang's pilot. When he was a colonel, he led the project team for army agusta 109. Now he is the gong kedak airbase commander.
1* general?
QUOTE(sukhoi35mk @ Aug 9 2018, 12:58 AM)
indeed ground base air defense system only for strategic assets protection due to limited coverage range... you want to protect your sky... u need air force
also AF allow you to strike and intercept targets
tudm have all the assets they need, problem is maintaining it... what a waste..
that's true... my logistics warrant have a pot belly but he sure can score well in his fitness test...
but belly dont look good and hard to justify the boys to get fitter when seniors/officers dont look fit 1* general? also AF allow you to strike and intercept targets
tudm have all the assets they need, problem is maintaining it... what a waste..
Nice pic of the Indonesian Army Aviation AH-64E Apache Guardian attack helicopter. Based from the Indonesian Government Working Plan Budget Report for year 2019, the Indonesian Defence Ministry to buy another batch of Apache Guardians. Photo credit to Sandriani Permani.
Aster 30 SMPT at >120km is a long range missile system. Aster 15 at >30km is the medium range version.
As for NASAM, I know the sale brochure denotes medium range. But it is in the same categoey as Spyder SR. Both NASAM and Spyder uses a medium range aams i.e. Amraam versus Derby/python 5. Maximum for both systems (if they leverage on the latest version of both missiles) range is probably around 15km to 30km at most. Note: the latest Derby is comparable to Amraam 120d. Indonesia does not have Amraam 120d.
TNI-AU already bought a batch of AIM-120C7 for F-16
So, they may purchase the same variant for surface launched model. But, for any AAM converted to SAM, the effective range is roughly halved.
Singapore island, aka the Little Red Dot, seen from the perspective of the Singapore Army's crack Red Lions Commando parachute display team. This photo mozaic was stitched together from a video that shows the commandos rehearsing for this evening's 53rd National Day celebrations in Singapore.
On the far right (east) of the landmass is Changi. To the left (west) is Jurong and Tuas, with Pandan Reservoir visible as the glistening patch near the top left. The green patch of the central catchment area with the freshwater reservoirs can also be seen.
From east to west, about 50km. North to south, a mere 22km.
You are looking at the most densely defended country in Southeast Asia. Within the field of view of the Red Lions, the city-state has the: Most number of armoured fighting vehicles in Southeast Asia.
Heaviest concentration of tube and rocket artillery.
Biggest number of combat engineer bridging rafts.
Deepest underground ammunition depot.
Largest fleet of fast landing craft.
Extensive naval sealift.
More combat warplanes, hunter-killer submarines and MBT types than the neighbours.
Region's highest density of SAMs.
Neighbourhood's only counter rocket artillery and mortar (C-RAM) system.
Unrivalled military training arrangements globally.
And yet, critically vulnerable. See for yourself: No strategic depth.
A currency backed by no natural resources.
Open border with the home shore minutes away from the world's busiest sea lane.
Exposed to artillery, special forces and rapid deployment parachute forces.
Lack of economic hinterland.
High density of ageing population.
Virtually no room to manoeuvre on home ground.
Heavy reliance on open access to sea and air trade routes.
Your back towards the sea any way you face.
Sleep well at night?
Many of us do, blissfully unaware of Singapore Armed Forces and Home Team units serving as the city-state's sentinels whose sensors watch above and beyond the border, and can see beyond the obvious.
TNI-AU already bought a batch of AIM-120C7 for F-16
So, they may purchase the same variant for surface launched model. But, for any AAM converted to SAM, the effective range is roughly halved.
It is more than "halved". Try shooting an arrow vertically up. Is speed constant?
At 50-60km air to air range, the original derby missile has a range of only 15km when used in the Spyder system. The latest Derby Er has an air to air range in excess of 100km. Derby Er will be incorporated in the current Spyder systems as an upgrade. In the same vein, its range will be less than <30km when used in the Spyder system.
That is why both Spyder and Nasam are not true medium range systems i.e. extended Shorads with 15km to <30km range thereabout. Medium range systems like i-hawks can shoot out to 45km.
C7s are the norm now as US and allies upgrade their amraams to 120-Ds. Sg will likely get its first Ds with its new F35s if not earlier.
This post has been edited by Mai189: Aug 10 2018, 09:56 AM
Singapore, with its large number of reservist and also large number of advanced defence equipment, will be at their best, a well-defended island nation and would be very difficult to invade. Reservist and regular soldiers know the island well, well equipped and will be highly motivated. However as shown b4 by could be the best reservist armed forces, the IDF, its wont fare well as a cross border operation army
Singapore, with its large number of reservist and also large number of advanced defence equipment, will be at their best, a well-defended island nation and would be very difficult to invade. Reservist and regular soldiers know the island well, well equipped and will be highly motivated. However as shown b4 by could be the best reservist armed forces, the IDF, its wont fare well as a cross border operation army
sinai? south lebanon? golan heights? entebbe? syria?
that's true... my logistics warrant have a pot belly but he sure can score well in his fitness test...
but belly dont look good and hard to justify the boys to get fitter when seniors/officers dont look fit 1* general? also AF allow you to strike and intercept targets
tudm have all the assets they need, problem is maintaining it... what a waste..
hard to say bro. used to jungle tracking with fit athlete student before and they not that good. they tire easily although with no bags on shoulder compare to me a big guy with round stomach carry a bag which i have better endurance in long run. who know,maybe he a heavy smoker or drinking.
tudm have all the assets they need???i dont know about that bro. RMAF only have hornet and MKM as fast jet and look how far it expected. with hornet at labuan AFB and MKM at gong kedak,how can that be enough. even when mig is useable, it serve as intercepter but when it get shelves MKM is the replacement. even with all MKM and hornet at semenanjung it is not enough to cover it let alone whole Malaysia. hawk and aeramachi just more into trainer and low intensity strike with less speed.
sinai? south lebanon? golan heights? entebbe? syria?
kamon la bang. entebbe, syria are by IDF secial forces, Golan heights is patrolled by the elite Golani while Sinai was against ill-equipped combatants. while against hezbollah in south lebanon, IDF went in with large numbers of reservist, which was met with fierce resistance against a smaller number of hezbollah fighters..
while against hezbollah in south lebanon, IDF went in with large numbers of reservist, which was met with fierce resistance against a smaller number of hezbollah fighters..
and yet they still managed to inflict far more casualties on Hezb, and make fools of the Lebanese security forces
to the point that we and UN now have to station troops there to give Hezb time and space to recover
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Search on for USS Essex Marine reported overboard in Sulu Sea
A Marine embarked aboard the USS Essex is believed to have gone overboard Friday morning, according to a statement by the 13th Marine Expeditionary Unit.
Navy, Marine Corps and Philippine ships and aircraft were searching for the servicemember, who was reported overboard at 9:40 a.m. At the time, the Essex was “conducting routine operations in the Sulu Sea,” according to the statement.
Search-and-rescue efforts began immediately after the incident was reported, according to the statement. Officials did not release the Marine’s name, but said his or her family has been notified.
"It is an all-hands effort to find our missing marine," said Navy Capt. Gerald Olin, commander of Amphibious Squadron One and the on-scene commander of the search-and-rescue efforts. "All of our sailors, marines and available assets aboard the USS Essex have been and will continue to be involved in this incredibly important search and rescue operation."
Crew members conducted several searches inside the vessel, while aircraft embarked on the Essex have been used “round-the-clock” to search the Sulu Sea and Surigao Strait from above, according to the statement.
The Navy also sent P-8 Poseidon surveillance aircraft to expand the search area with the help of Philippine Coast Guard vessels. Altogether, the search-and-rescue efforts stretch about 3,000 nautical miles, according to the statement.
Col. Chandler Nelms, commander of the 13th Marine Expeditionary Unit, said servicemembers “remain committed to searching for and finding our Marine.”
“As we continue our search operation, we ask that you keep our Marine and the Marine’s family in your thoughts and prayers,” he said in the statement.
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NPA rebels overrun Samar police station
Around 100 members of the New People’s Army raided the Lapinig Municipal Police Station in Northern Samar on Friday (Aug. 10) at 1:44 a.m.
According to a spot report received by Camp Crame, the terrorist group was armed with high-powered firearms such as UZI, K3 submachine guns, M16, M14 and M203.
The exchange of fire lasted for 15 minutes before the police station was overrun by the rebels.
Two policemen identified as PO2 Jerry Quilecol and PO1 Edizon Aguere were wounded in action.
Another two are missing in action. They are PINSP Noli Montibon and PO2 Mark Mejedo.
Hah, konpem ATSC dapat balik maintenance contract Su-30MKM. ATSC tu anak emas Tok Madey sejak pembelian MiG-29N lagi.
Ingat lagi yang CEO ATSC masih dok berangan nak tawarkan pakej upgrade MiG-29N kepada MiG-29SM masa LIMA lepas ... siap sign MoU kat Moscow ngan Rosobonorexport.
Ni Tok Madey dah jadi PM-7, rasa2nya ATSC ada can ke hidupkan balik pakej upgrade MiG-29N tu?
nah... better to just retire all those ol' Fulcrums and proceed with new MRCA.. Gripen pun Gripen la... asalkan ada..
but it would be nice to see Smokey Bandits in the air again...
Hah, konpem ATSC dapat balik maintenance contract Su-30MKM. ATSC tu anak emas Tok Madey sejak pembelian MiG-29N lagi.
Ingat lagi yang CEO ATSC masih dok berangan nak tawarkan pakej upgrade MiG-29N kepada MiG-29SM masa LIMA lepas ... siap sign MoU kat Moscow ngan Rosobonorexport.
Ni Tok Madey dah jadi PM-7, rasa2nya ATSC ada can ke hidupkan balik pakej upgrade MiG-29N tu?
igt ATSC dah tak ada da bila MIG bungkus...boleh ke nak idupkan balik upgrade mig tu? dorg simpan mig kat mana? celah pokok mana dorg simpan mig tu? huhuhuhu
I was not aware the it is already quite advance in testing stage...they could literally build the MPF now if they want.
Once again ST is going up against industry giants. To me, getting this far - win or lose - is already a big plus to the prestige of ST. It attests to the quality and capability of SAF's network centric platforms.
When inducted into the SAF, the MPF will be the true replacements for the AMX-13 tanks; perhaps with a 120mm gun for commonality.
hard to say bro. used to jungle tracking with fit athlete student before and they not that good. they tire easily although with no bags on shoulder compare to me a big guy with round stomach carry a bag which i have better endurance in long run. who know,maybe he a heavy smoker or drinking. tudm have all the assets they need???i dont know about that bro. RMAF only have hornet and MKM as fast jet and look how far it expected. with hornet at labuan AFB and MKM at gong kedak,how can that be enough. even when mig is useable, it serve as intercepter but when it get shelves MKM is the replacement. even with all MKM and hornet at semenanjung it is not enough to cover it let alone whole Malaysia. hawk and aeramachi just more into trainer and low intensity strike with less speed.
athletes trains fitness according to their particular sport, if you ask a long distance runner to carry high load, he/she might not be able to make it too... my peer runs marathons at sub 2:40 but she cant open ship hatch so she was kick out of the navy.. lol... but even if you dont have the strength, looking unfit doesnt instill confidence, young still ok, old very hard to lose already
if they have 70% of f-18 and mkm up and running that should suffice for minimum deterrent.. look at around the region.. MIG is a near gone case, better scrap it... russian planes dont have good frame life.. ... range is there for mkm to cover penin msia, but reaction time is too slow... problem is south penin with the closure of sg besi
QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Aug 10 2018, 05:12 PM)
kamon la bang. entebbe, syria are by IDF secial forces, Golan heights is patrolled by the elite Golani while Sinai was against ill-equipped combatants. while against hezbollah in south lebanon, IDF went in with large numbers of reservist, which was met with fierce resistance against a smaller number of hezbollah fighters..
special forces yes but still conscripts... golani is a combined arms mixed brigade unit, nothing more special than the other regional units... Egypt, Jordan, Libya, Lebanon, and Syria during time of conflict were all better armed than most nation in asean
QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Aug 10 2018, 08:54 PM)
nah... better to just retire all those ol' Fulcrums and proceed with new MRCA.. Gripen pun Gripen la... asalkan ada..
but it would be nice to see Smokey Bandits in the air again...
agreed
QUOTE(Mai189 @ Aug 10 2018, 09:07 PM)
Once again ST is going up against industry giants. To me, getting this far - win or lose - is already a big plus to the prestige of ST. It attests to the quality and capability of SAF's network centric platforms.
When inducted into the SAF, the MPF will be the true replacements for the AMX-13 tanks; perhaps with a 120mm gun for commonality.
nah, the amx has already been replaced with leopard... NGAFV is to replace m113 and to a certain extent older bionix, 200 leopards is enough 120mm, new vehicle is to complement tanks with IFVs to form armour units or for mechanized infantry units
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QUOTE(Protoculture @ Aug 9 2018, 11:10 AM)
Hah, konpem ATSC dapat balik maintenance contract Su-30MKM. ATSC tu anak emas Tok Madey sejak pembelian MiG-29N lagi.
Ingat lagi yang CEO ATSC masih dok berangan nak tawarkan pakej upgrade MiG-29N kepada MiG-29SM masa LIMA lepas ... siap sign MoU kat Moscow ngan Rosobonorexport.
Ni Tok Madey dah jadi PM-7, rasa2nya ATSC ada can ke hidupkan balik pakej upgrade MiG-29N tu?
lol, aku dah nampek benda ni miles away
Mig tu pendapat aku sendiri enough la, jual balik ke russia lagi baik pasal dari jual ke india atau sedekah kat University tp kalo MIG29NM proceed
I was not aware the it is already quite advance in testing stage...they could literally build the MPF now if they want.
Once again ST is going up against industry giants. To me, getting this far - win or lose - is already a big plus to the prestige of ST. It attests to the quality and capability of SAF's network centric platforms.
When inducted into the SAF, the MPF will be the true replacements for the AMX-13 tanks; perhaps with a 120mm gun for commonality.
Interesting that it seems everybody from SAIC/ST Kinetics MPF, Otokar Tulpar Light Tank and Pindad/FNSS Medium tank are using the same Cockerill 3105 Turret.
This post has been edited by azriel: Aug 10 2018, 09:43 PM
athletes trains fitness according to their particular sport, if you ask a long distance runner to carry high load, he/she might not be able to make it too... my peer runs marathons at sub 2:40 but she cant open ship hatch so she was kick out of the navy.. lol... but even if you dont have the strength, looking unfit doesnt instill confidence, young still ok, old very hard to lose already
if they have 70% of f-18 and mkm up and running that should suffice for minimum deterrent.. look at around the region.. MIG is a near gone case, better scrap it... russian planes dont have good frame life.. ... range is there for mkm to cover penin msia, but reaction time is too slow... problem is south penin with the closure of sg besi
that is why i said, its hard to say. the better term is "fit for duty". as long as they within those classification,its alright.
i think hornet and MKM already within range 70% readiness before. the reason the readiness drop only because the 10th year maintenance start late and no planning ahead. reaction time is what can be expected with that amount. with X no. in maintenance, other in training and operation and X no. on base for QRA,just how much left??a lot of thing need to be improve and RMAF need to join more AF exercise with other country to see what they lack and learn.
i read before that MIG have been abandon by its manufacturer to pursuit 5th gen aircraft,that is why its become hard to use it(no support). RMAF know this and they already tired with Russian made so that is why last 4 candidate was all western made. hopefully no other politician in new govt suggest to use MIG just too save money.
Interesting that it seems everybody from SAIC/ST Kinetics MPF, Otokar Tulpar Light Tank and Pindad/FNSS Medium tank are using the same Cockerill 3105 Turret.
As a fire support vehicle, it is great for urban operations with high and low angles of fire.
Hmmm...I do not know why you keep calling these vehicles medium tanks as if all these vehicles are tanks. These are 30 ton class armored vehicles with 105mm cannons no matter what design configuration they come in. They are not tanks. Is the J26 ton apanese Type 16 a tank with a 105mm cannon? Boxer and Puma IFVs are better armored and heavier than all 3 without 105mm cannons.
Is it for domestic consumption.. you "designed" tank? And what is a light tank? A IFV with 30mm/40mm cannon? I get it. It sounds good. Np. You have a 30 ton plus "tank".
As a fire support vehicle, it is great for urban operations with high and low angles of fire.
Hmmm...I do not know why you keep calling these vehicles medium tanks as if all these vehicles are tanks. These are 30 ton class armored vehicles with 105mm cannons no matter what design configuration they come in. They are not tanks. Is the J26 ton apanese Type 16 a tank with a 105mm cannon? Boxer and Puma IFVs are better armored and heavier than all 3 without 105mm cannons.
Is it for domestic consumption.. you "designed" tank? And what is a light tank? A IFV with 30mm/40mm cannon? I get it. It sounds good. Np. You have a 30 ton plus "tank".
You think that Pindad/FNSS is the only company calling its tracked vehicle with 105mm a Medium Tank?
So why is the tulpar a light tank and not a medium tank? I asked as to what constitute a medium or light tank. And why some 30 ton class armored vehicles aremt? You hit the nail on its head when you referenced sales/marketing pitches.
In no way does it detract from the main fact that these are essentially 30 ton class armored vehicles. You just put a large cannon on top. You can also call a jeep with a 105mm recoiless rifle a compact light tank.
So why is the tulpar a light tank and not a medium tank? I asked as to what constitute a medium or light tank. And why some 30 ton class armored vehicles aremt? You hit the nail on its head when you referenced sales/marketing pitches.
In no way does it detract from the main fact that these are essentially 30 ton class armored vehicles. You just put a large cannon on top. You can also call a jeep with a 105mm recoiless rifle a compact light tank.
Even the US Army is calling the MPF a light/medium tank. Heck even if they want to call it Super Tank let them be.
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The army hopes a new MPF platform can quickly deploy with relatively low logistics demand but enough protection and firepower – likely a light- to medium-tank – to ensure the infantry's freedom of action.
In October 2016 GDLS unveiled a medium-weight tracked vehicle demonstrator, called the Griffin, which meshes elements of the turret and the 120 mm cannon from an M1A1/M1A2 Abrams main battle tank with the company's Ajax Scout Specialist Vehicle. However, the source told Jane’s that GDLS’ bid for MPF has evolved beyond the Griffin.
The Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank weight is 35 tons. It doesn't matter what you want to call it, the matters is that someone is buying this tracked vehicle and that is the Indonesian Army with first batch order of 100 units. The Philippine is also a potential export customer. You don't want your vehicle to be just a technology demonstrator.
This post has been edited by azriel: Aug 10 2018, 11:46 PM
Interesting that it seems everybody from SAIC/ST Kinetics MPF, Otokar Tulpar Light Tank and Pindad/FNSS Medium tank are using the same Cockerill 3105 Turret.
easier to buy off the self than to develop own version
that is why i said, its hard to say. the better term is "fit for duty". as long as they within those classification,its alright.
i think hornet and MKM already within range 70% readiness before. the reason the readiness drop only because the 10th year maintenance start late and no planning ahead. reaction time is what can be expected with that amount. with X no. in maintenance, other in training and operation and X no. on base for QRA,just how much left??a lot of thing need to be improve and RMAF need to join more AF exercise with other country to see what they lack and learn.
i read before that MIG have been abandon by its manufacturer to pursuit 5th gen aircraft,that is why its become hard to use it(no support). RMAF know this and they already tired with Russian made so that is why last 4 candidate was all western made. hopefully no other politician in new govt suggest to use MIG just too save money.
yes, can be fit for duty but it does not instill confidence or image... especially during overseas programs
nah, skip those good will exercises... some shiok sendiri one... pitch black was probably planned a while ago... but now with only 4 mkms avail, they should not even attend... peenoise scum cause trouble who's gonna bomb them
its not just MIG, its all russian planes... maybe land vehicles too... just that parts for land vehicles are easier to self fabricate/buy clones from prc... planes are harder... su-27/30 same shit with spare parts... dont forget MIG-29 is still being flown by their naval air unit...
western yes, but eu also got prob... murican plane cannot bomb singkie, so how? gripen? korean? jap?
QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 11 2018, 01:41 AM)
Even the US Army is calling the MPF a light/medium tank. Heck even if they want to call it Super Tank let them be. The Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank weight is 35 tons. It doesn't matter what you want to call it, the matters is that someone is buying this tracked vehicle and that is the Indonesian Army with first batch order of 100 units. The Philippine is also a potential export customer. You don't want your vehicle to be just a technology demonstrator.
i think 30tons and above with no ability to carry units is ok to call light/med tank... but if it is able to carry units, might as well call it ifv... below 30ton with light weaponry but can carry unit probably apc, if cannot carry then technical... lelz
that doesnt mean by calling it ifv it is inferior in terms of armor, namer is called an apc or lightly armed ifv...
QUOTE(Peiyantiu @ Aug 11 2018, 02:02 AM)
These light/medium "tanks" can tahan 40mm cannon hit from let say CV90 ??
not so straight forward these days... tahan hit which part? what kind of shell? with or without modular armor package?
These light/medium "tanks" can tahan 40mm cannon hit from let say CV90 ??
I don't think so. The Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank is Stanag Level 5 can only tahan against 25mm cannon at 500 m. The Tulpar Light Tank is Stanag Level 2 but can be upgraded to Level 5.
i think 30tons and above with no ability to carry units is ok to call light/med tank... but if it is able to carry units, might as well call it ifv... below 30ton with light weaponry but can carry unit probably apc, if cannot carry then technical... lelz
that doesnt mean by calling it ifv it is inferior in terms of armor, namer is called an apc or lightly armed ifv... not so straight forward these days... tahan hit which part? what kind of shell? with or without modular armor package?
Even the US Army is calling the MPF a light/medium tank. Heck even if they want to call it Super Tank let them be. The Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank weight is 35 tons. It doesn't matter what you want to call it, the matters is that someone is buying this tracked vehicle and that is the Indonesian Army with first batch order of 100 units. The Philippine is also a potential export customer. You don't want your vehicle to be just a technology demonstrator.
Well of course you may end up buying the armored fire support vehicle. How else are you going to get your money back after getting FNSSs technical assistance in coming up with can you call it, a national project. That is only logical and nothing to be embarrassed about.
This post has been edited by Mai189: Aug 11 2018, 02:03 AM
I don't think so. The Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank is Stanag Level 5 can only tahan against 25mm cannon at 500 m. The Tulpar Light Tank is Stanag Level 2 but can be upgraded to Level 5.
Which comes back to what i said. They are just run of the mill armored vehicles.Slap a few armour modules and change the name light, super light or medium.
A 30mm or 50mm cannon-armed namer can tear to shreds a tulpar or pindad/fnss or mpf armored fire support vehicle if it gets first shot ability. On the other hand, it may just well take a shot and dish it out. The newer turrets carry internally equipped spike atgm - surprise. None of the afore-mentioned turkish origined vehicles stand a chance.
One of the reasons these 30 ton hull vehicles were unpopular was because they are too thin skinned to go to the front lines. Even an anti material rifle bullet can pierce the hull at some places. Let alone rpgs and shoulder carried anti armour missiles. Modern rapid firing 30nn or 40nm cannon will do it too.
So what use are these vehicles for? Fire support esp in urban settings. They are really fire support vehicles. And accompanied by an armor train of other ifvs to shield them from enemy infantry. Use them correctly, it adds to your fire support. Use them wrongly, they fare worst than say a 30mm or 40mm ifv. Of course, fire support can come via other means. A rocket armed uav can also provide a degree of fire support.
So why is the tulpar a light tank and not a medium tank? I asked as to what constitute a medium or light tank. And why some 30 ton class armored vehicles aremt? You hit the nail on its head when you referenced sales/marketing pitches.
In no way does it detract from the main fact that these are essentially 30 ton class armored vehicles. You just put a large cannon on top. You can also call a jeep with a 105mm recoiless rifle a compact light tank.
QFT
QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Aug 11 2018, 12:58 AM)
naming convention these days dont mean much.. peenoise madmax apcs by modern standards are a joke... but still apcs
only the israelies maintain their toys top notch
Namer is an exceptional outlier as no other IFV is comparable
Shouldn't be considered benchmark
QUOTE(Mai189 @ Aug 11 2018, 02:01 AM)
Fire support esp in urban settings. They are really fire support vehicles.
Frankly that is their only use beyond 30mm IFVs. Cause 105mm has various uses in FIBUA. Of course they are able to defeat IFVs and obsolete tanks but it's own thin skin makes that a very suboptimal matchup.
Well of course you may end up buying the armored fire support vehicle. How else are you going to get your money back after getting FNSSs technical assistance in coming up with can you call it, a national project. That is only logical and nothing to be embarrassed about.
Lol. And why would i ever be embarrassed about? Did i wrote just Pindad Medium Tank? Nope i wrote Pindad/FNSS. Because it is afterall a joint development project by both companies. Always posted in this forum the Medium Tank Project as Pindad/FNSS.
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Indonesian PT Pindad and Turkish FNSS Medium Tank Project Team pose with the Medium Tank 1st prototype. The 2nd prototype currently being built by PT Pindad is in its final stages of construction. Credit to Windu Nurkemal Paramarta.
Russia ready to provide Philippine Navy with submarines
Jaime Laude 3 hrs ago
MANILA, Philippines — Russia has expressed willingness to provide the Philippine Navy with two kilo-class diesel electric submarines.
According to Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana, Moscow is even offering a soft loan if the Philippine government is short of funds to bankroll the Navy’s submarine acquisition project.
Sources said Lorenzana is scheduled to visit Russia next week.
Soft loan refers to financing with no interest or below market rate of interest.
Once the deal is finalized, in 12 months the submarine acquisition project for the Navy will be completed, with construction of the sub surface warship to start immediately.
When construction starts, the Navy can already expect delivery of its first-ever submarine in four years or after the term of President Duterte, who is supporting the Navy’s submarine procurement project.
Several Southeast Asian states, including Vietnam, have procured kilo class submarines from Russia.
Other than Moscow, the Philippines, according to Lorenzana, is also scouting for other possible submarine suppliers from Europe, including France, South Korea and Germany.
But Lorenzana bared the President is heavily in favor of the Navy’s first ever submarine to be procured from Russia.
“That’s what the President wants,” he said. The Navy is also slated to do a port call on Russia in OOctober
Which comes back to what i said. They are just run of the mill armored vehicles.Slap a few armour modules and change the name light, super light or medium.
^^^ TLDR:
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The U.S. Army Wants a New Light Tank
Here's what it could look like.
By Kyle Mizokami Aug 15, 2016
The U.S. Army wants a new vehicle that would be lightly protected, but capable of going places the M1 Abrams main battle tank can't go while packing enough firepower to kill armored vehicles much larger than itself. Now Army leaders are meeting with defense contractors to put a plan in motion.
Three Tiers Generally speaking, there are three types of tanks: heavy, medium, and light. All evolved to fulfill a certain role. Heavy tanks were useful against bunkers and fortifications, as well as dominating smaller tanks on the battlefield. Medium tanks are the mainstay of any tank force, a middleweight compromise between firepower, protection, and mobility. Light tanks were meant for scouting and exploiting breakthroughs, and handling infantry and light armored vehicles.
Note two of these types are in the past tense. Heavy and light tanks have largely disappeared from armies—heavy tanks because they're too slow and expensive, and light tanks because they became too easy to kill on the battlefield. In a world where a single soldier armed with a guided missile can disable a 70-ton tank, there isn't much room for a 30-ton variety.
In addition, recent wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere have prioritized light infantry power above tank power. Yet as China and Russia—both of whom maintain large mechanized armies—act more and more aggressively on the global stage, the American Army has decided it needs an armored vehicle that can go where the action is. The Army would love to send the mainstay of the U.S. Armored Corps, the M1 Abrams, everywhere. Unfortunately, the Abrams has a couple of mobility problems: 12 feet wide and weighing 70 tons, the venerable vehilce has difficulty with restrictive terrain like jungles and mountains. Also, a C-17 transport plane can lift only two M1s at once, and the tank won't fit in the C-130 Hercules at all. So, according to Breaking Defense, the army is now meeting with leaders in the armored vehicle industry to create a next-generation vehicle.
Lighten Up The Army disposed of its light tanks in the early 1990s, when the M551 Sheridan was retired from the 82nd Airborne Division. Subsequent attempts to build a light tank have stalled out (XM8 Armored Gun System) or provided an unsatisfactory product (the M1128 Mobile Gun System.) Now the Army wants to try again, what could the Army's future tank look like? There have been several technological innovations since the last attempt.
Firepower: Right now, the standard gun for light tanks is a 105-millimeter conventional tank gun. Conventional tank guns are versatile, capable of engaging tanks, armored vehicles, and infantry targets. Unfortunately the fixed barrel width makes it difficult to improve the gun's penetrating power as enemy tank armor improves over time.
Instead, the light tank of the future could easily punch above its weight by using a combination of light guns and anti-tank missiles. The vehicle could use a 30-millimeter chain gun to engage smaller targets and missiles such as Javelin or Hellfire to engage larger one. The Army could even bring back gigantic, blistering-fast LOSAT, or Line of Sight, Anti-Tank hypervelocity missile developed in the 1990s.
Protection: Here's where the light tank will benefit the most from technological innovation. Active protection systems such as the Israeli Trophy and Russian Arena, which use radar antennas to track enemy rockets and missiles and shoot them down with shotgun-like blasts, can protect a small tank just as well as a large one. That means that a modern U.S. light tank could dispense with much of its armor—perhaps keeping just enough to stop 12.7-millimeter heavy machine gun bullets. For larger projectiles, an active protection system would keep the tank crew safe.
Mobility: For decades, the U.S. Army resisted wheeled armored vehicles, preferring tracks over wheels. Tracks are better able to shrug off battlefield damage than wheels, and they are better in some types of ground—particularly crossing ditches or muddy, rough terrain. They're also much heavier.
Now that the Army has purchased the Stryker interim armored vehicle in large numbers, it's much less resistant to wheeled designs than it has been in the past. Wheeled armored vehicles are better at navigating bad terrain than ever, with the added advantage of creating a lighter vehicle with better mobility on roads.
The common conception of a light tank is a small, pudgy vehicle with a pipsqueak of a gun and a cramped, miserable with a short battlefield lifespan. The "light tank" of the future could be dropped out of airplanes, ringed with radars and other sensors, run on six or more wheels, and hurl tank-shattering missiles up to five miles away. Just don't call it a light tank.
Thanks for the article. Just goes to show how vulnerable these 30 ton fire support vehicles are . Oh so they are now "light" tanks.
Well the last word in the article said "Just don't call it a light tank."
Everyone have their own classification. One would see the SAIC/ST Kinetics MPF as a Light or Medium Tank and one would see it as an IFV 105mm as it is basically is an IFV with a 105mm turret.
Even the WW2 Panther Tank the German classified it as a Medium Tank whereas the Russian & the Allies classified it as a Heavy Tank.
Heck even Rheinmetall calling their Marder Medium Tank as the Marder Medium MBT. Lol.
IMHO..there is no definite classification.
This post has been edited by azriel: Aug 11 2018, 12:23 PM
Thanks for the article. Just goes to show how vulnerable these 30 ton fire support vehicles are . Oh so they are now "light" tanks.
Nowadays any armored vehicles are vulnerable even Main Battle Tanks. Unless they are equipped with APS. Every weapons will always have a counter weapons.
This post has been edited by azriel: Aug 11 2018, 11:36 AM
dont need name calling la, be civil and engage in constructive discussion... if easily triggered then dont continue la
yea, why not... that's the role assigned...
the only exception is the merkava being able to ferry infantry... that's a special tank... the rest, fits the role given wonder whether elements of the xm8 is incorporated into the design
Hmm let's see
We are discussing about vehicle armour protection
You claim that IFVs also can have heavy protection equal to a tank
I and others are saying that the vast majority of IFVs do not. The Namer is one of the few exceptions.
Then you say T-15 also.
So your point is?
^ If this is not called being smart ass then what is it?
Everyone have their own classification. One would see the SAIC/ST Kinetics MPF as a Light or Medium Tank and one would see it as an IFV 105mm as it is basically is an IFV with a 105mm turret.
Even the WW2 Panther Tank the German classified it as a Medium Tank whereas the Russian & the Allies classified it as a Heavy Tank.
Heck even Rheinmetall calling their Marder Medium Tank as the Marder Medium MBT. Lol.
Haha. That was the gist of my argument friend. Calling it light or medium or whatever is misleading with regard to what is essentially a 30 ton plus armored platform.
You claim that IFVs also can have heavy protection equal to a tank
I and others are saying that the vast majority of IFVs do not. The Namer is one of the few exceptions.
Then you say T-15 also.
So your point is?
^ If this is not called being smart ass then what is it?
i am stating that vehicles are defined by their role not by their armor... examples that i give are to justify my statements which you ownself concur with the examples that you give albeit your wordings do not
whether you accept it or not does not matter.. there's no need for name calling
Nowadays any armored vehicles are vulnerable even Main Battle Tanks. Unless they are equipped with APS. Every weapons will always have a counter weapons.
No doubt.
Aps is no guarantee as well. Unless you develop one indigenously, it is costly to install on every vehicle. The point is a proper mbt or 40 to 70 ton ifv/apc has higher survivability rate vis a vis a 30 ton plus one. And that affects doctrine.
Haha. That was the gist of my argument friend. Calling it light or medium or whatever is misleading with regard to what is essentially a 30 ton plus armored platform.
Doesn' matter thats the way it is. The manufacturer and the military can named it what ever they want.
For the MPF why the US Army named it Mobile Protected Firepower? Do the vehicle have enough firepower and protection? It is also misleading.
Some will named a 8x8 wheeled armored vehicle with a 105mm or a 120mm gun as a Mobile Gun System (MGS) and some will named it as a Tank Destroyer.
Whats important is what specific role the vehicle are given to by the user and what strategy for their deployment.
Doesn' matter thats the way it is. The manufacturer and the military can named it what ever they want.
For the MPF why the US Army named it Mobile Protected Firepower? Do the vehicle have enough firepower and protection? It is also misleading.
Some will named a 8x8 wheeled armored vehicle with a 105mm or a 120mm gun as a Mobile Gun System (MGS) and some will named it as a Tank Destroyer.
Whats important is what specific role the vehicle are given to by the user and what strategy for their deployment.
Yes yes we know. That is what i have been saying all along. A 30 ton plus ifv/apc/armored vehicle with a 105mm gun is just that; irrespective of its name.
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QUOTE(Peiyantiu @ Aug 11 2018, 02:25 PM)
I dun think sulu fellas have any advanced rpg. Otherwise av8 gempita oso cannot go. I think such wheeled armored vehicles can only go against lightly armed insurgents. If got rpg, sure kena roasted.
pilak rebels rarely use rpg to attack armored vehicles due to their shitty home-made quality ph army learned quickly it can be defeated with just simple "cardboard" armor they have more chances disabling armored vehicles using ied's in prepared ambush sites
though for some reason they never did brought any of them in lahad datu (rpg or ied) the most potent weapon in their hand at that time is their rifle grenades
This post has been edited by DDG_Ross: Aug 11 2018, 04:11 PM
yes, can be fit for duty but it does not instill confidence or image... especially during overseas programs
nah, skip those good will exercises... some shiok sendiri one... pitch black was probably planned a while ago... but now with only 4 mkms avail, they should not even attend... peenoise scum cause trouble who's gonna bomb them
its not just MIG, its all russian planes... maybe land vehicles too... just that parts for land vehicles are easier to self fabricate/buy clones from prc... planes are harder... su-27/30 same shit with spare parts... dont forget MIG-29 is still being flown by their naval air unit...
western yes, but eu also got prob... murican plane cannot bomb singkie, so how? gripen? korean? jap?
again..instill confidence or image is not something that can be done easily. a lot of thing play role.
hard to say about shiok sendiri. so far what is shiok sendiri exercise?to me most is necessary especially there is not much excercise with MAF.
Russia made usually a poor man weapon. its simple as that. their industry cannot develop more so its stagnant and it easy to buy but hard to retain. also Russian develop its weapon based on its own military engagement strategy different to western. we can see western weapon integrated with more sensor and networking to develop more effective strategy but Russian still "meh" in those field.
dude....who want to bomb singkie???why???any conflict within selat melaka route will be closely observe by the power that be and they wont let one of the trade route riddle with war.
This post has been edited by zacky chan: Aug 11 2018, 06:16 PM
again..instill confidence or image is not something that can be done easily. a lot of thing play role.
hard to say about shiok sendiri. so far what is shiok sendiri exercise?to me most is necessary especially there is not much excercise with MAF.
Russia made usually a poor man weapon. its simple as that. their industry cannot develop more so its stagnant and it easy to buy but hard to retain. also Russian develop its weapon based on its own military engagement strategy different to western. we can see western weapon integrated with more sensor and networking to develop more effective strategy but Russian still "meh" in those field.
dude....who want to bomb singkie???why???any conflict within selat melaka route will be closely observe by the power that be and they wont let one of the trade route riddle with war.
true, but when it comes to overseas acquaintance the moment see a big pot belly, it is not a good image
better not mention which one is shiok sendiri, ppl will get angry
mamatir lor.. typical rhetoric talk..
QUOTE(zacky chan @ Aug 11 2018, 08:15 PM)
their develop was most crazy in SEA nation. but they have the will and power thus they able to do it. congrats SAF
by 2030 available ns enlistment drops by 30%, if they still insist on not enlisting female they need to compensate with other means... indons are arming well, extremism is getting rampant... no choice
think i did ask before but forgot... does it allow for carrying of personnel?
I think you were asking SAIC/ST Kinetics MPF and i said yes. The Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank is a dedicated tank design with a rear engine so it carries no infrantry troops. Pindad is also to begin developing next year an IFV variant based on the Medium Tank. Ofcourse with a front engine.
This post has been edited by azriel: Aug 12 2018, 01:05 PM
I think you were asking SAIC/ST Kinetics MPF and i said yes. The Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank is a dedicated tank design with a rear engine so it carries no infrantry troops. Pindad is also to begin developing next year an IFV variant based on the Medium Tank. Ofcourse with a front engine.
thanks... i think it only makes sense if tni develops a ifv to go with their med tank..
true, but when it comes to overseas acquaintance the moment see a big pot belly, it is not a good image
better not mention which one is shiok sendiri, ppl will get angry
mamatir lor.. typical rhetoric talk.. by 2030 available ns enlistment drops by 30%, if they still insist on not enlisting female they need to compensate with other means... indons are arming well, extremism is getting rampant... no choice
maybe some see it as shiok as because it look easy or suppose have been acquire before but actually it need to be polished further. some do said,they take time each exercise and set benchmark how they get afterward. other shiok i cannot relate. maybe you can tell me.
say what we/you want about Dr M and his old regime but they never want war or even intend it. in reality,SAF F16 alone is enough to obliterate most ATM base until sungai besi base and they know. even if there is MKM plus F18 full readiness wont do much. not to mention the RSN and their land offensive ability. hell...Singapore jamming ability able to reach half johor. it mostly just a narrative plus a chicken game. see who can get most out of it and who will crack first.
i read somewhere around 2010, the Singapore already foresee those drops. i return they invest more on machine power rather than human power. rather than it take 3-5 to navigate a naval ship, they target now it can do with just one office and another to monitor sensor if needed. saw those before,one office station have all the info display on 3 big monitor above him and he can navigate the ship based on the info displayed. looks cool and i think they can achieve that.
The Philippine Navy will acquire six offshore patrol vessels from Austal, Australia’s largest shipbuilder, Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana revealed on Thursday.
While details of the purchase are not immediately available, Lorenzana said the vessels would be built in Austal’s Philippine shipyard in Cebu.
“Dito na gagawin sa ating bansa sa Cebu..Sa Balamban lahat. Maganda ito kasi it will be made in the Philippines,” he told reporters in a press briefing.
Aside from the Philippines, Austal has shipyards in US and Australia and service centers around the world. It builds defense and commercial vessel platforms.
On Thursday, the Philippine Navy successfully tested its first missile system off Lamao Point in Bataan.
The weapons were fired from the three multi-purpose attack craft and hit the designated target.
Lorenzana said that the Philippines will purchase more missiles in the future. “We are getting more of those kasi nga we are acquiring more vessels eh.”
Malaysia considers mix of manned, unmanned aircraft for maritime surveillance requirements
Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore - Jane's Navy International 12 August 2018
Leonardo’s ATR 72MP, seen here at LIMA 2017 in Langkawi. It is one of several aircraft types being considered for Malaysia’s maritime patrol requirements. Source: IHS Markit/Ridzwan Rahmat
Key Points
• The Malaysian government is studying further options for the country’s maritime surveillance requirements • Country will likely operate a combination of manned and unmanned systems to fulfil the role
The Malaysian government is considering a mix of both manned, and unmanned aerial platforms to fulfil the country’s maritime patrol requirements.
In his response to a question from the member of parliament for Mersing, Defence Minister Mohamad Sabu assured that the new administration, which came to power in May 2018, will honour plans made under the previous government. These include a programme to equip the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) with new maritime patrol aircraft (MPA).
However, the government is now making cost comparisons between manned, and unmanned aircraft, and may eventually decide on a combination of both types to fulfil the country’s maritime surveillance requirements. The minister did not give details on the types of equipment being compared.
I say Malaysia should settle with Gripen NG or more F18
F18 is IF Kuwait will sell their 2ndhand to us and US allows
Gripen is my choice of new buy IF we want to avoid US*, but it costs about the same as F35A and F18SH too, $80-85m
We will never get F15SE as America is not selling, it only has about 200 of the best current Eagle variant in USAF service
12 Gripen NG will cost approx $1.5 billion including weapons and support, aka Rm6 billion. That is the entire TUDM capex budget for 6 years. If we can ask for a 12-year loan that is realistic for our MRCA/MIG replacement.
*Of course my real choice is to buy American, preferably F18SH, but politics...
This post has been edited by KLboy92: Aug 15 2018, 03:37 AM
F18 is IF Kuwait will sell their 2ndhand to us and US allows
Gripen is my choice of new buy IF we want to avoid US*, but it costs about the same as F35A and F18SH too, $80-85m
We will never get F15SE as America is not selling, it only has about 200 of the best current Eagle variant in USAF service
12 Gripen NG will cost approx $1.5 billion including weapons and support, aka Rm6 billion. That is the entire TUDM capex budget for 6 years. If we can ask for a 12-year loan that is realistic for our MRCA/MIG replacement.
*Of course my real choice is to buy American, preferably F18SH, but politics...
Boeing is aggressively trying to push the new variant F-15X. Offering fixed pricing cost etc.
That is on a level with Su35, a new Super Hornet, and cheaper than Eurofighter Typhoon
please no typhoon or su35. those plane looks like no future. 85m is good actually. its the correct price for 5th gen so far. last time i read, the government accountability office have been inform the F35 will be priced around 90m-95m range,so its already down so much now. if we can afford,it would be good but its operating cost will make RMAF broke soo much
QUOTE(Lumiaaa @ Aug 15 2018, 03:19 AM)
If buy American just get F18 or F15SE
I say Malaysia should settle with Gripen NG or more F18
F18 yeah...its a good decision. but Gripen NG just big NOPE. its not just procurement cost and operating cost should be review but also the future plan. the F35,F18 or F15 already have future plan where it will be upgrade with more feature overtime to be able to keep up with future tech. but typhoon,gripen or even Rafale was none. if we want to upgrade,we need to figure out ourselves means we need to make the R&D and its very costly and time consuming. example looks at our MKM,its one of its kind and take a lot of time and resources to get the necessary abilities.
August 2018 POSTED ON TUESDAY, 14 AUGUST 2018 11:19
Turkish Aerospace, Turkey’s center of excellence in defence and aerospace industries held a workshop on August 14th, 2018 in Jakarta with an extensive participation of Indonesian Defence and Aviation Industry companies, regarding the possible cooperation on upcoming several bilateral opportunities such as Unmaned Aerial Vehicle System Tender of the Indonesian Ministry of Defence.
A TuAF Anka MALE UAV (Credit: TAI)
With long experience in merging and integrating the capabilities of local and global companies, Turkish Aerospace is now exploring the opportunity to cooperate with Indonesian defence and aviation industry companies with unique and exclusive qualifications, in order to bring the already proven capabilities of the “ANKA Unmanned Aerial Vehicle System” to new heights, through the Indonesian UAV System Tender. As indicated and underlined repeatedly, Turkish Aerospace is ready to fine tune its persistent multi-role ISTAR (Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Acquisition, and Reconnaissance) system ANKA to satisfy the specific requirements of the Indonesian end-user, through integrating distinguished Indonesian suppliers into its supply chain.
F18 is IF Kuwait will sell their 2ndhand to us and US allows
Gripen is my choice of new buy IF we want to avoid US*, but it costs about the same as F35A and F18SH too, $80-85m
We will never get F15SE as America is not selling, it only has about 200 of the best current Eagle variant in USAF service
12 Gripen NG will cost approx $1.5 billion including weapons and support, aka Rm6 billion. That is the entire TUDM capex budget for 6 years. If we can ask for a 12-year loan that is realistic for our MRCA/MIG replacement.
*Of course my real choice is to buy American, preferably F18SH, but politics...
Still not free from US control (ITAR) as they manufactured the Gripen E engine (GE 414G), unless we are willing to spend additional funds to change the engine to other manufacturer like Rolls-Royce or Safran.
please no typhoon or su35. those plane looks like no future. 85m is good actually. its the correct price for 5th gen so far. last time i read, the government accountability office have been inform the F35 will be priced around 90m-95m range,so its already down so much now. if we can afford,it would be good but its operating cost will make RMAF broke soo much F18 yeah...its a good decision. but Gripen NG just big NOPE. its not just procurement cost and operating cost should be review but also the future plan. the F35,F18 or F15 already have future plan where it will be upgrade with more feature overtime to be able to keep up with future tech. but typhoon,gripen or even Rafale was none. if we want to upgrade,we need to figure out ourselves means we need to make the R&D and its very costly and time consuming. example looks at our MKM,its one of its kind and take a lot of time and resources to get the necessary abilities.
Typhoon actually is arguably 1 of the best fighter outside of F22 now, and has a lot of upgrades planned actually - Brimstone and Paveways, Meteor BVRAAM, Captor AESA radar, maybe CFTs
Gripen NG is also newer than F16, could have lots more life especially since there are few (no) other Western single-engine types being offered. It's a new airframe and could have lots of upgrade potential
Philippines considers Russian loan to support submarine procurement
Jon Grevatt - IHS Jane's Defence Industry 14 August 2018
Russia has offered the Philippines a soft loan, repayable over several years, to support its potential acquisition of Kilo-class submarines. Source: IHS Markit/Patrick Allen
Russia has newly offered the Philippines an economic package to support its potential acquisition of Kilo-class submarines, Arsenio Andolong, the chief of public affairs at the Philippine Department of National Defense (DND), told Jane’s on 14 August.
He said the offer was made to the Philippine government recently and consists of a soft loan that would be repayable over several years. He also stressed that the loan has not been agreed but is being considered by the Philippine government as it looks to boost the undersea capabilities of the Philippine Navy (PN).
“This offer was made last week,” said Andolong. “Russia has said that if we require funds [for the submarine procurement] we could opt for a soft loan to be repaid over a period of time. We are considering the offer, nothing has been agreed.”
The new loan offer was made shortly after the PN confirmed that it was discussing with the Russian Navy the terms of a memorandum of understanding centred on the provision of training and support of submarines.
PN spokesman Commander Jonathan Zata also confirmed in comments to the state-run Philippine News Agency in early August that the Philippines is looking at Russia as a “possible source” of submarines and that the pending agreement would facilitate technical and operational training for the PN.
PN officials have also been invited to Russian shipyards to observe submarine construction programmes, he said.
The PN submarine procurement programme was recently accelerated by the Philippine government, and the DND is expected to decide on the acquisition within the next year. The acquisition, which is likely to feature the procurement of up to three platforms, was previously scheduled for 2023–27 under the Philippines’ ‘third horizon’ military modernisation programme but was moved forward to the 2018–22 second horizon.
Still not free from US control (ITAR) as they manufactured the Gripen E engine (GE 414G), unless we are willing to spend additional funds to change the engine to other manufacturer like Rolls-Royce or Safran.
Typhoon actually is arguably 1 of the best fighter outside of F22 now, and has a lot of upgrades planned actually - Brimstone and Paveways, Meteor BVRAAM, Captor AESA radar, maybe CFTs
Gripen NG is also newer than F16, could have lots more life especially since there are few (no) other Western single-engine types being offered. It's a new airframe and could have lots of upgrade potential
Typhoon upgrade was already stated during buy in including Brimstone and Paveways, Meteor BVRAAM and Captor AESA radar but dont know about CFT(maybe i miss those). when those upgrade available, the user will be able to get it. the reason i said it have bleak future because german air force may decided(some said already in motion) to get F35 rather than another batch of typhoon. this will be follow by other EU maybe which will make the market even smaller for typhoon. thus less sale,no production,maybe close line and less future upgrade. but who know, the saudi and the gang might "cough" up money for BAE to upgrade typhoon since they cant get F35.
I not confident with Gripen NG. its the E/F series right??its still early stage and need time to mature.
philippines really good huh saw the news about the monsoon and flood on its capital. even without the flood,their infrastructure really need improve. if somehow this submarine deal goes through within this 5 years, they will have soo much fun
Typhoon upgrade was already stated during buy in including Brimstone and Paveways, Meteor BVRAAM and Captor AESA radar but dont know about CFT(maybe i miss those). when those upgrade available, the user will be able to get it. the reason i said it have bleak future because german air force may decided(some said already in motion) to get F35 rather than another batch of typhoon. this will be follow by other EU maybe which will make the market even smaller for typhoon. thus less sale,no production,maybe close line and less future upgrade. but who know, the saudi and the gang might "cough" up money for BAE to upgrade typhoon since they cant get F35.
I not confident with Gripen NG. its the E/F series right??its still early stage and need time to mature.
Yes E/F series
People don't trust it only. But Saab have good track record all the way back to Draken, and it could turn out better than F16... In fact if it was sold by US confirm people would be rushing to buy
As it is the real story is that F35 captured a huge market because it's 5th gen stealth at LCA prices, a mega deal for smaller countries
Typhoon also got Italy, Spain, Saudi and UAE in addition to UK. UK will confirm integrate those upgrades mentioned (except CFT, not sure about those). Once those are in, they will be undisputed champ of the skies (other than F22).
People don't trust it only. But Saab have good track record all the way back to Draken, and it could turn out better than F16... In fact if it was sold by US confirm people would be rushing to buy
As it is the real story is that F35 captured a huge market because it's 5th gen stealth at LCA prices, a mega deal for smaller countries
Typhoon also got Italy, Spain, Saudi and UAE in addition to UK. UK will confirm integrate those upgrades mentioned (except CFT, not sure about those). Once those are in, they will be undisputed champ of the skies (other than F22).
IMO F16 able to be one of effective plane because it have a lot of user and all those feed info and help it improve. Gripen it will take time and need a lot of user. maybe if it win India IAF requirement it will be the next F16 in future.
UK and saudi will confirm upgrade but other will see if German get F35 and if its a better deal,who know man...
once all those EU(surely UK) country got F35, most of them will integrate it with typhoon networking thus making it more deadlier as F35 stealth will find the target and link it to the typhoon to be eliminated. but the US will surely use their F15 in those situation. and new F15 upgrade able to carry more bomb and missile
IMO F16 able to be one of effective plane because it have a lot of user and all those feed info and help it improve. Gripen it will take time and need a lot of user. maybe if it win India IAF requirement it will be the next F16 in future.
UK and saudi will confirm upgrade but other will see if German get F35 and if its a better deal,who know man...
once all those EU(surely UK) country got F35, most of them will integrate it with typhoon networking thus making it more deadlier as F35 stealth will find the target and link it to the typhoon to be eliminated. but the US will surely use their F15 in those situation. and new F15 upgrade able to carry more bomb and missile
F-16 was successful because the US decided to upgrade it a lot rather than invest in new airframes. So it became capable of far more missions than it used to.
It doesn't matter if the Germans don't upgrade the Typhoon, UK and Sauds will. The UK F35s will operate alongside the Typhoon.
F-16 was successful because the US decided to upgrade it a lot rather than invest in new airframes. So it became capable of far more missions than it used to.
It doesn't matter if the Germans don't upgrade the Typhoon, UK and Sauds will. The UK F35s will operate alongside the Typhoon.
UK and Saudi will upgrade it. they are the big sponsor of typhoon.
thanks for that articles. its a good analysis. but the shocker is the price of F15X is somewhat affordable as quote in articles between $50 to $75 million.
UK and Saudi will upgrade it. they are the big sponsor of typhoon.
thanks for that articles. its a good analysis. but the shocker is the price of F15X is somewhat affordable as quote in articles between $50 to $75 million. why would LIMA cancel??did someone suggest that
Legacy airframe is legacy, without stealth features it's just a missile and bomb truck
It's like comparing two AK-47s and one M16 with ACOG scope and silencer. One side can throw more bullets, the other has different advantages. Who will win? Maybe more bullets, but also maybe the scope will make the M16 more accurate and deadly
Not sure what's the use of LIMA since we are the most unlikely country to buy stuff in ASEAN
Legacy airframe is legacy, without stealth features it's just a missile and bomb truck
It's like comparing two AK-47s and one M16 with ACOG scope and silencer. One side can throw more bullets, the other has different advantages. Who will win? Maybe more bullets, but also maybe the scope will make the M16 more accurate and deadly
Not sure what's the use of LIMA since we are the most unlikely country to buy stuff in ASEAN
i thought it was design like that??F35 with full stealth but lack offensive capabilities complement with other asset(F15/F18) with lack stealth but full offensive capabilities.
although the F35 was suppose to be the replacement for other legacy(F16,F15,F18) it seem it only be F22 replacement.some also suggest having same plane to cover all mission will be cost effective but not strategic wise since most design have it flaw. so better to have 2 or 3 design to be safe. of course it only can be done with super power only not ciput budget nation.
LIMA is suppose to be expo like to show off since it attract tourism. less likely to be sales but rather just to glorified and publicly show off the ASEAN.
i thought it was design like that??F35 with full stealth but lack offensive capabilities complement with other asset(F15/F18) with lack stealth but full offensive capabilities.
although the F35 was suppose to be the replacement for other legacy(F16,F15,F18) it seem it only be F22 replacement.some also suggest having same plane to cover all mission will be cost effective but not strategic wise since most design have it flaw. so better to have 2 or 3 design to be safe. of course it only can be done with super power only not ciput budget nation.
From USAF perspective, they have literally several hundreds of non-stealth fighters and intend to develop another even better fighter to replace the Raptor - so called 6th gen fighter
So why should they divert funds from F35 to buy more outdated F15X?
F35 doesn't replace F22. It really replaces the AV8B Harrier, F16, F18 and A10.
Neily Syafiqah Eusoff / theedgemarkets.com August 13, 2018 16:12 pm
KUALA LUMPUR (Aug 13): The Defence Ministry said it has scrapped the Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA) project, in line with the Malaysian government's decision to re-evaluate the implementation of the mega project.
"However, the project can be considered in the next rolling plan, if it is still in the priority of the ministry," the ministry said today in Parliament via a written reply dated Aug 7, 2018 to Mersing MP Datuk Dr Abd Latiff Ahmad.
Abd Latiff had earlier asked the ministry on whether the government will proceed with the procurement of large defence assets such as the MPA, Littoral Mission Ship (LMS) and Littoral Combat Ship (LCS).
The ministry, however, said there is a need to continue the procurement of the LMS and LCS, in line with national defence operational needs.
The procured LMS and LCS are under construction as scheduled, the ministry said.
Jon Grevatt, Bangkok - IHS Jane's Defence Industry 15 August 2018
Turkish Aircraft Industries (TAI) is engaging with Indonesian industry in support of a potential programme to supply its Anka UAV to the Indonesian armed forces. Source: TAI
Turkish Aircraft Industries (TAI) has expanded its engagement with Indonesian aerospace and defence companies in a bid to support collaboration on programmes including a medium-altitude long-endurance (MALE) unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) project.
TAI said in a statement that it held a workshop in Jakarta on 14 August with local aerospace and defence companies “regarding possible co-operation on several upcoming bilateral opportunities such as a UAV tender for the Indonesian Ministry of Defence”.
TAI confirmed that in bidding for the UAV programme it is offering its MALE Anka UAV. TAI added that it is “ready to fine-tune” the Anka system “to satisfy the requirements of the Indonesian end-user through integrating … Indonesian suppliers into its supply chain”.
However, TAI also said that collaboration opportunities will not be limited to the Anka. “It will be a sustainable, long-term, win-win relationship,” it said, “in which all parties will find opportunities to advance their business goals in local and global markets in the medium [term].”
Earlier this year, Arie Wibowo, director of production at state-owned Indonesian aerospace company, PT Dirgantara (PTDI), told Jane’s that PTDI and TAI were close to formalising an agreement to collaborate on developing the Anka UAV to meet the requirements of the Indonesian Air Force (Tentara Nasional Indonesia – Angkatan Udara: TNI-AU).
Wibowo said the project would facilitate technology transfers from Turkey to Indonesia to support joint development and localised manufacturing. He added that once the terms of the collaborative partnership had been established PTDI and TAI would build fully operational prototypes within 12 months.
Wibowo added that when the programme enters mass production other Indonesian aerospace companies would enter the supply chain, although the scope of such engagement would depend on the how many Anka systems the TNI-AU required.
The Singapore air force’s first Airbus A330 Multi-Role Tanker Transport (MRTT) has arrived in the country.
Images posted on social media show the aircraft landing at Changi International Airport, adjacent to the Changi West air base where the nation's Boeing KC-135R tankers are stationed.
Flight tracking sites indicate that the aircraft (S/N 1762) flew direct to Singapore from Madrid’s Getafe air base.
Neither the nation’s defence ministry nor the air force announced the tanker’s arrival. The aircraft’s livery, however, recognises the 50-year history of the Republic of Singapore Air Force, with ‘RSAF 50’ on the tail, and ‘Our Home, Above All’ on the engine cowling.
Flight Fleets Analyzer indicates that the jet is powered by two Rolls-Royce Trent 772B-60EP powerplants, and that its first flight was on 10 November 2016.
In addition to a hose-and-drogue refuelling pod on both wings, the aircraft is also equipped with a refuelling boom. The aircraft has 260 passenger seats, and can be used to carry cargo pallets.
Singapore has five additional A330 MRTT’s on order. These will replace the nation’s four obsolescent Boeing KC-135Rs, which have an average age of 55.9 years.
Oplot T-84 main battle tanks in Thailand. IMAGE: thaidefense-news.blogspot.com
The final six of 49 Ukrainian Oplot T-84 main battle tanks were delivered to the Royal Thai Army.
An anonymous source cited by the Bangkok post said that the final batch of the 49 tanks was handed over on July 29th. They are now in Prachin Buri, with the 2nd Infrantry Division. The source also claimed that tests would begin in early September.
The source also said that in April 2018 an army delegation inspected the final batch of battle tanks, in addition to 1st Army Chief, Lt. Gen. Kukiat Srinaka, who also did an inspection.
The Oplot T-84 main battle tanks were ordered back in 2011 by Thailand and cost $240 million.
The delivery of the battle tanks was initially supposed to be finalized by 2015. The first batch was delivered in early 2014. However, the production saw repeated delays due to an economic crisis in Ukraine after the coup in 2014 and the following civil war.
Thailand initially purchased the Oplot T-84 battle tanks to replace its US M-41s, which it bought from the US in 1957. Due to the delay in delivery, Thailand also signed a contract to buy 28 Chinese VT-4 battle tanks, seeking to boost the supplies in 2017.
On March 27th, Ukrainian state-owned defense holding Ukroboronprom announced that the contract for the supply of the T-84 battle tanks has successfully ended. The final batch was tested in the presence of Thai Military officers and were to be sent to Thailand promptly.
The T-84 is an upgrade of the Soviet T-80UD. First built in 1994, it entered into service in the Ukrainian army in 1999. It has a high-performance engine, which makes it one of the fastest main battle tanks in the world. The main weapons of the T-84 include one 125mm KBA-3 smoothbore gun fitted with a thermal sleeve and fume extractor. This is fed by an automatic loader which is similar to that installed in the T-64 in that the separate loading ammunition is stowed vertically whereas that of the T-72 and T-80 is stowed horizontally.
When the contract for the Chinese VT-4s was announced, Thailand reportedly attempted to cancel the order for the remaining T-84s. The T-84 reportedly had numerous problems.
In 2016, a Thai media publication reported that the Oplot T-84 battle tank has very limited battery life and needs frequent changes, after tests during the rainy season. The publication also claimed that the Ukrainian side is attempting to provide a higher level of service, which possibly also resulted in delays.
In early 2017, when it was announced that Thailand signed a contract for Chinese VT-4s, Sputnik News cited military analyst Vladislav Shurigin. He explained that the T-84’s technical characteristics did not match those of the actually produced tanks. According to him “the armor on the Oplot has proven to be of much poorer quality [than the design characteristics indicate]. The vehicles are not robust, and face constant breakdowns.” He also further commented that “the tactical and technical characteristics of the tanks do not coincide with the declared characteristics, because Ukraine faces a deficit in the special mechanisms used for guidance systems. Kiev simply does not have them, and is not capable of producing them today. Accordingly, [guidance] parameters are downscaled, and precise guidance to the target becomes almost impossible.” According to him the tanks amounted to little more than “useless crap.”
On June 18th, 2018, the National Interested reported the results of an annual tactical exercise in Germany’s Grafenwoehr Training Area. Since 2016, European and US countries have gathered there to test their tanks in various exercises. In the 2018 competition Ukraine’s T-84 placed in eighth, last place.
The National Interest provided information on various problems with the T-84.
Due to faulty charging mechanisms that send power to the autoloader, the T-84 autoloader did not load shells properly in all four tanks that were present, said Capt. Roman Bagaev, a company commander in the 14th Mechanized Brigade, cited by Novynarnia. Another issue is the shakiness of the 125 mm cannon due to faulty fire-control systems.
However, despite the problems according to the National Interest, the Ukrainian crews involved in the exercise liked their T-84s much more compared to the T64, which is the most numerous tanks in the Ukrainian military.
PT Pindad workers & employees in Bandung welcoming back and greeted the Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank after weeks of successful mobility & performance tests outside Bandung. Live firing test is set to begin at the end of August that will be attended by Philippine officials. PT Pindad plan to sell 30 units to the Philippine and 100 units to Bangladesh for each country requirement. Credit to PT Pindad.
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US Air Force T-38 Talon Jet Trainer Crashed Into A Field In Oklahoma
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Details are still coming in, but a T-38 Talon training jet from the 71st Flying Training Wing at Vance Air Force Base in Oklahoma has crashed. This is the sixth aircraft the Air Force has lost in non-combat mishaps in 2018 and the third incident involving a T-38 since November 2017.
This mishap occurred at around 3:30 PM local time in Oklahoma on Aug. 17, 2018. The jet plowed into farm pasture approximately 50 miles west of Vance Air Force Base, setting it on fire. Though the aircraft can carry a crew of two, the U.S. Air Force has said there was only a single pilot on board.
“One pilot was successfully ejected from one of Vance's T-38 training jets,” was how U.S. Air Force Technical Sergeant Eric Cardenas phrased the situation to Oklahoma's Enid News & Eagle newspaper. “The pilot is currently with emergency responders.”
Vance Air Force Base officials also said that the pilot was conscious after parachute down into the farm and that the property owner had given him water and tended to him until first responders arrived, according to The Olympian. Firefighters put out the resulting blaze, as well.
The Republic of Singapore Air Force held its 50th Anniversary celebrations (RSAF50) at the Marina Barrage with an aerial display! Feel the adrenaline rush with this recap of the aerial displays and aircraft featured.
The highlights include an inaugural aerial display by two AH-64D helicopters, as well as a formation of a F-15SG decked in RSAF50 livery and two F-16Cs executing high speed aerial manoeuvres. This will also be the first time an unmanned aircraft - the Heron 1 Unmanned Aerial Vehicle - is participating in such a show. The aircraft will execute exhilarating manoeuvres and turns, such as:
- the Helicopter group’s Cross Dagger, Wing Over, Flash Pass, Tail Sweep, Hover Turn, Hover Cross and Viking Climb.
- Fighter Plane Aerial Display with an Arrowhead Formation, Spear Formation, Diamond Formation, Vertical Split, Four Point Roll, Aliron Roll Hit, Horizontal 8, High-G Turn, Quadruple Roll, Knife Edge Pass, Dedication Pass, Delta Vertical Loop, Inverted Helix, Low and Slow, High Speed Pass, Victory Flypast and a Bomb Burst.
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I think you were asking SAIC/ST Kinetics MPF and i said yes. The Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank is a dedicated tank design with a rear engine so it carries no infrantry troops. Pindad is also to begin developing next year an IFV variant based on the Medium Tank. Ofcourse with a front engine.
The Merkavas and Namers, etc have engines in front wherein the latter is protected by thick armour, esp.in fibua situations. They learnt this from experience, unlike nearly 99% of armed forces in the world. RPG and ATGM like to come from behind from thier own experience. The FNSS/Pindad mobile fiepower support IFV/APC is not network centric so it does not have 360 degrees situational awareness, it will definitely need support all round.
You have pretty much shot argument on dedicatd tank design to pieces by revealing that an IFV based on the FNSS/Pindad fire support vehicle will be introduced. It just an IFV/APC dude. Tho they started it off with a 105mm cannon version ..quite possibly for nationalistic fervour purposes from the pics I have seen in this forum.
The Merkavas and Namers, etc have engines in front wherein the latter is protected by thick armour, esp.in fibua situations. They learnt this from experience, unlike nearly 99% of armed forces in the world. RPG and ATGM like to come from behind from thier own experience. The FNSS/Pindad mobile fiepower support IFV/APC is not network centric so it does not have 360 degrees situational awareness, it will definitely need support all round.
You have pretty much shot argument on dedicatd tank design to pieces by revealing that an IFV based on the FNSS/Pindad fire support vehicle will be introduced. It just an IFV/APC dude. Tho they started it off with a 105mm cannon version ..quite possibly for nationalistic fervour purposes from the pics I have seen in this forum.
Nope. The FNSS/Pindad Medium Tank is not based from any existing IFV/APC design. It is a completely new hull and can be seen from the video below:
Pindad will design and develop an IFV variant based from the Medium Tank design. Its like the Namer is based from the Merkava MBT. Well based from your argument a Merkava is just an IFV/APC then. Lol. Just because the Namer is an IFV and using the Merkava hull so basically the Merkava is just an IFV/APC. Lol.
The FNSS/Pindad will be using locally made Battle Management System (BMS) by PT Hariff DTE. The same BMS already installed in the Leopard 2RI MBT as seen from the pic below:
Situational awaremess is for the driver with camera at the front and at rear.
Rear driver's camera on the FNSS/Pindad Medium Tank:
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Pindad eyes Bangladesh, Philippines for tank export
Arya Dipa The Jakarta Post
Bandung | Sun, August 19 2018 | 01:17 am
State-owned weapons manufacturer PT Pindad is aiming to boost exports by targeting markets in South Asian and Southeast Asian countries including Bangladesh and the Philippines.
The company executives have asked the government to take part in the bidding process for weapons procurement in both countries. The company plans to offer modern medium weight tanks (MMWT), which it develops with Turkey...
^^ The K21-105 Medium Tank is the competitor in both Philippines and Bangladesh procurement program.
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Well. At least there is some use to the fnss designed firepower support vehicle. What do you really expect countries like Bangladesh or the Phlippines to buy?
Nope. The FNSS/Pindad Medium Tank is not based from any existing IFV/APC design. It is a completely new hull and can be seen from the video below:
Pindad will design and develop an IFV variant based from the Medium Tank design. Its like the Namer is based from the Merkava MBT. You wouldn't want to call a Merkava an IFV/APC just because the Namer is an IFV and using the Merkava hull. Lol.
The FNSS/Pindad will be using locally made Battle Management System (BMS) by PT Hariff DTE. The same BMS already installed in the Leopard 2RI MBT as seen from the pic below:
Situational awaremess is for the driver with camera at the front and at rear.
Rear driver's camera on the FNSS/Pindad Medium Tank:
That is right. .. an ifv designed vehicle which is of a different design compared to other ifv/apcs. But a 30 ton ifv/apc thin skinned vehicle nonetheless.
When one talks about 360 degrees situational awareness, it is a reference to a network designed linked to a battle management system which is linked to an over arching battle space management system. My car has a front and back camera too.
Comparing a namer to your light weight ifv/apc is misleading. The namer is indeed derived from a dedicated tank- the Merkava.
Well. At least there is some use to the fnss designed firepower support vehicle. What do you really expect countries like Bangladesh or the Phlippines to buy?
Well ofcourse. Better than selling nothing at all. Lol.
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That is right. .. an ifv designed vehicle which is of a different design compared to other ifv/apcs. But a 30 ton ifv/apc thin skinned vehicle nonetheless.
When one talks about 360 degrees situational awareness, it is a reference to a network designed linked to a battle management system which is linked to an over arching battle space management system. My car has a front and back camera too.
Comparing a namer to your light weight ifv/apc is misleading. The namer is indeed derived from a dedicated tank- the Merkava.
That is why i said it will use locally made BMS contrary to what you said that it didn't have a network centric. Lol.
You were talking about situational awareness because what FNSS referred to as a situational awareness is the drivers camera.
Mission Equipment
• 360⁰ Situational Awareness • Wireless Crew Intercom System • Navigation System • Auxiliary Power Unit • Interior & Exterior Lighting System • Battlefield Management System (BMS) • Laser Warning System (LWS)
Nope i'm not misleading. You were quoting my post about a plan IFV variant development based from the design of the FNSS/Pindad Medium Tank by Pindad. I'm talking about a dedicated tank design from the drawing board and just because the manufacturer want to develop an IFV variant based from that design you want to call it just an IFV/APC variant. Lol. The Merkava-Namer is a good example aswell with the T-55- Achzarit.
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Well ofcourse the FNSS/Pindad Medium Tank is so easy to built and own. Lol.
So why do you need Fnss's assistance if it is so easy to build and own? Lets see..if the phillipines was like say Australia..they would have purchased a boxer, cv 90s etc.
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