Actually, i was puzzled because the courier guy refused to take it back on the same day they deliver the new replacement LCD to my house. Even Dell didn't bother to call up to take back the faulty LCD. So I played around with 2 LCDs for few days before call them to take it back.

yup its the courier fee they charge for taking it back.

I am participate since I am not willing to open a new thread.

B4 that I would like to introduce the BenQ V series : 19 (FP94VW) / 24 (FP241VW) inch Gaming LCD

Refer to this links : http://www.benq.com/products/LCD/?product=...=specifications




BenQ do not have Dynamic Contrast technology as LG and Samsung but some claims that for gamers, that Dynamic Contrast is useless.



Source : http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/dis...ameters_12.html

Strengths :
-HDMI 1080p support
-Response Time 5ms (G2G 2ms ???) [necessary of 2ms ? : http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/dis...rameters_6.html]

-Black Frame Insertion (BFI) technology ? source : http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/dis...rameters_4.html


Weakness :
-No Dynamic Contrast Ration Technology
-Only 5ms but with (G2G 2ms) response time [very ambitious information]
-Famous brand? No idea, LOL

This post has been edited by cinbao: Jul 19 2007, 12:07 AM

User are giving a good comments for Samsung, Asus & LG 22" LCD...Anyone has the experience in using BenQ? This would be ideal for normal usage same like Acer...

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Added on July 19, 2007, 1:22 amtry this DEAD PIXEL BUDDY

This post has been edited by alextee1881: Jul 19 2007, 01:22 AM

is it mean everytime dell courier pickup item from my house(lets say warranty return), i need to pay them rm80?

Its useful for latest gaming console like ps3, x360 that need hdmi output to deliver 1080p. overrall, i think its on par with other 19" ws but with higher pricetag(coz of hdmi input).

This post has been edited by mfa333: Jul 19 2007, 01:38 AM

Look in www.tftcentral.co.uk, www.behardware.com, www.hardforum.com for answers. Those and many others are raving about the 241WZ, even more so than the Dell 2407

Reasons I chose this monitor:

1) The 241WZ's AU-Optronics P-MVA panel is much better than most TN film technology for color repro (cos I need accurate color management since I am a professional photographer), although arguably not as good as S-IPS but I couldn't find any 24" S-IPS panels available in the local market.

2) 241WZ also has HDMI input that fully supports 1080p, HDCP compliant, 1:1 pixel mapping, Picture-in-Picture (PIP), AMA-Z (a.k.a. BFI), 1000:1 contrast ratio, 500cd/m2.

3) Monitor can be used vertically or horizontally thanks to the sturdy but flexible stand, way better than that of the Acer 2423W's (which I considered also cos of the excellent panel and cheap price, about RM1,700 or less). But the stand on the Acer left a lot to be desired.

4) I was about to spring for the Dell 2407 HC, but after hearing so much about the panel lottery issue of the non-HC model and not wanting to have to worry about getting a unit with dead pixels which means the hassle of returning it and not sure if the next is any better, I went ahead and got the 241WZ which costs quite a bit more (enough to buy a mid-end C2D chip). But I could inspect the unit in person, checked for dead pixels etc before handing over the cash. And I am personally p*ssed at companies like Dell and Samsung that sell different panels to different people hoping they won't know the difference. That sucks, unless they actually offer big discounts for the lesser product which is not the case. Anyway.

5) Also heard about input lag (mouse) on the Dell, while this Benq is fine. Maybe I don't know how to discern what input lag really means.

Got it for RM2,300 from LYP 2nd flr, Viewnet Computer System SB. Cheapest I could find at the moment.


Probs so far?

1) The backlight is damn freaking bright! But thankfully quite uniform. Although the viewing angles are far superior to a TN, it is not perfect. However this P-MVA I hear is as close as I can get to S-IPS or AS-IPS. The next techs to look out for would be LED backlight, SED and OLED but those are future products. As for now I am a happy camper!

2) Colors a bit hard to calibrate without 3rd party software. My previous Acer 2216W was way easier. Ended up buying a Colorvision Spyder2 Express to help me out. After calibration I could make out all the colours and black/white shades presented on a color chart, with great neutral grays.

3) OSD buttons on the side are not clearly marked, they all look the same so you have to memorise their locations if you wanted to press them. But then again, after calibration there's not much you need to do there anyway. However if there was a need they can be easily accessed by simply turning the screen to the left cos the stand supports swivel movements.

4) Other than Standard mode, the Movie, Dynamics and Photo modes are way too saturated and really fuzzies up the text. But use Dynamics if you want excellent blacks in movies. But for anything else you'll be better off in Standard mode.

5) Not as fast as TN film so harcore gamers might have to look elsewhere.

6) Got to eat bread and drink plain water for a while.....


Cheers.


This post has been edited by gregy: Jul 19 2007, 02:10 AM

BenQ 19" FP94VW Widescreen - HDMI RM 720

BenQ 24" FP241W Widescreen - HDMI RM2,550


Might interest on the 19'inch...

I play FPS on my 2407-HC and I don't seem to notice any input lag.

AFAIK input lag can't be seen with naked eyes. To detact an input lag, you have to be a really sensitive user, or if you have time to spare, take some photos with a good camera with a CRT beside it. So far, I only came across input lag on my old 2407WFP. (The non HC version) Those 'overdrive enabled' panels are most likely to have this problem, eg TN/S-PVA/S-MVA/P-MVA. This is not a problem for Lg.Philips IPS family.

This post has been edited by kianwee: Jul 19 2007, 08:34 AM

HDMI is delicious. I hope to get a HDMI LCD to pair with my current E228WFP soon. Let the HDMI LCD war begin !!!

HDMI got nothing special just that it can be connected to the PS3 directly. Xbox360 not supporting HDMI iinm.

My Acer 1916W.


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You can buy a HDMI-DVI converter/cable to connect ps3 to a DVI (with HDCP) LCD monitor. Whereas for xbox360, you can connect via VGA only, but the new xbox360 elite does support HDMI output.

i think is around RM 630++

Actually I am just want to ask whether the Dynamic Contrast (DC) Ratio is necessary or useless? Even through they are clarification about DC is for Movie, but not major for gaming... =.=""

Either I have difficult to make decision for this BenQ which do have 1:1 mapping but only contrast ratio 800:1 or Samsung 206bw 3000:1 DC ...

I do research from Digimall All IT Hypermarket about their display unit for Samsung 206bw but it look quite blur ... other like viewsonic even perform better than it, so I have ambigious about wtf is DC and is this DC make the 206bw blur like shit ? No offence for those Samsung 206bw and 226 bw owners but can you realized is that only that display unit sux or watsoever?

If u feel free and go to PJ Digimall 3rd floor All IT Hypermarket to have a look, I didnot lie ...

What's the usage of 1:1 mapping? Dell 19" WS got 1:1 mapping?

LG also do have, wide screen ratio that adjust prefect match as the wide screen are, Samsung dun have this...

If want compare technology LG do have Dynamic Contrast Ratio , 1:1 pixels mapping , but dun have HDMI (some said buy a DVI - HDMI converter)...

Personally experience from digimall All IT Hypermarket display unit, that Samsung 226bw & 206 bw was sux, so LG do better ... (dunno whether is the display unit got problem or even can think like this - why samsung LCD so easy to spoilt like this?)

Do try my fren's old BenQ 5 ms LCD even better than that display unit, so need justification from those samsung owner is that their unit different from that display unit ?

at last i managed to capture some pictures using a decent dc rather than my phone

presenting; Dell E228WFP 22" Entry Wide Screen Flat Panel

I saw the counter-strike , sonic gear speaker, logitech keyboard , Pentium D or 4 sticker on the keyboard, poker , doraemon, sony ericson hand phone ...

DC from phone camera ? got ak ? that animation look nice ... damn clear .. u capture using how many megapixels ?

Can explain more ?

This post has been edited by cinbao: Jul 19 2007, 10:33 PM

Hey guys how sure are you that Dell lets you keep the LCD for 10 days? They're sending the replacement tomorrow and I totally forgot to ask them about that when Logistics called me to confirm.

The courier guy will include a notice together with your LCD replacement. The notice will mention about what to do with your faulty product.

1. Pack the defective part using the same packing material supplied for the replacement part.
2. Seal the packaging materials with the same defective parts to be returned.
3. Contact Dell Logistics Provider at +603-5191 3325 and arrange for the collection of the consignment.
4. Upon arrival of the Dell Logistics Provider at your office/home for collection, please write your name on the Collection Note. Please also sign and add your company stamp on the Collection Note.

If the detective part not returned to Dell within 10 business days, an invoice will be issued accordingly for the value of the part, with payment required within 30 days from the Invoice date. In the event of the Invoice, the replacement part will be priced at Dell's current price.