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gregy
post Jul 17 2007, 01:17 PM

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A 22" LCD's pixel pitch is a lot higher than that of a 20", so you won't have to squint when viewing text. A 20" LCD's pixel pitch is a tiny 0.256 while the 22" is much larger at 0.282. Just for comparison's sake, my new 241WZ has a pitch of 0.269, and I'm already squinting slightly compared to previously on a 22". I really don't know how anyone will be able to read from a 20" without long term eye problems LOL!

A 19" on the other hand has a pitch of 0.284 so text wise it is even larger than a 22" smile.gif


QUOTE(mengfui @ Jul 16 2007, 04:31 PM)
I feel that 20"ws is quite alot big compare with 19"ws LCD.
But Dell 20" and 22" entry level ws LCD contrast only 800:1. Is it acceptable for HD movie playback and gaming?
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Added on July 17, 2007, 1:19 pmIs she delivering it personally to your doorstep? sweat.gif

QUOTE(kalakatu @ Jul 17 2007, 01:15 PM)
a girl from Dell called me just now, and she said tomorrow the lcd will be delivered to my house  rclxms.gif
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post Jul 17 2007, 02:13 PM

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The same Jessica that works for Alba watch company? LOL

QUOTE(kalakatu @ Jul 17 2007, 01:57 PM)
the same girl, was her name Jessica as well?  biggrin.gif
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post Jul 19 2007, 01:56 AM

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Look in www.tftcentral.co.uk, www.behardware.com, www.hardforum.com for answers. Those and many others are raving about the 241WZ, even more so than the Dell 2407 smile.gif

Reasons I chose this monitor:

1) The 241WZ's AU-Optronics P-MVA panel is much better than most TN film technology for color repro (cos I need accurate color management since I am a professional photographer), although arguably not as good as S-IPS but I couldn't find any 24" S-IPS panels available in the local market.

2) 241WZ also has HDMI input that fully supports 1080p, HDCP compliant, 1:1 pixel mapping, Picture-in-Picture (PIP), AMA-Z (a.k.a. BFI), 1000:1 contrast ratio, 500cd/m2.

3) Monitor can be used vertically or horizontally thanks to the sturdy but flexible stand, way better than that of the Acer 2423W's (which I considered also cos of the excellent panel and cheap price, about RM1,700 or less). But the stand on the Acer left a lot to be desired.

4) I was about to spring for the Dell 2407 HC, but after hearing so much about the panel lottery issue of the non-HC model and not wanting to have to worry about getting a unit with dead pixels which means the hassle of returning it and not sure if the next is any better, I went ahead and got the 241WZ which costs quite a bit more (enough to buy a mid-end C2D chip). But I could inspect the unit in person, checked for dead pixels etc before handing over the cash. And I am personally p*ssed at companies like Dell and Samsung that sell different panels to different people hoping they won't know the difference. That sucks, unless they actually offer big discounts for the lesser product which is not the case. Anyway.

5) Also heard about input lag (mouse) on the Dell, while this Benq is fine. Maybe I don't know how to discern what input lag really means.

Got it for RM2,300 from LYP 2nd flr, Viewnet Computer System SB. Cheapest I could find at the moment.


Probs so far?

1) The backlight is damn freaking bright! But thankfully quite uniform. Although the viewing angles are far superior to a TN, it is not perfect. However this P-MVA I hear is as close as I can get to S-IPS or AS-IPS. The next techs to look out for would be LED backlight, SED and OLED but those are future products. As for now I am a happy camper!

2) Colors a bit hard to calibrate without 3rd party software. My previous Acer 2216W was way easier. Ended up buying a Colorvision Spyder2 Express to help me out. After calibration I could make out all the colours and black/white shades presented on a color chart, with great neutral grays.

3) OSD buttons on the side are not clearly marked, they all look the same so you have to memorise their locations if you wanted to press them. But then again, after calibration there's not much you need to do there anyway. However if there was a need they can be easily accessed by simply turning the screen to the left cos the stand supports swivel movements.

4) Other than Standard mode, the Movie, Dynamics and Photo modes are way too saturated and really fuzzies up the text. But use Dynamics if you want excellent blacks in movies. But for anything else you'll be better off in Standard mode.

5) Not as fast as TN film so harcore gamers might have to look elsewhere.

6) Got to eat bread and drink plain water for a while..... sweat.gif


Cheers.


QUOTE(alextee1881 @ Jul 19 2007, 01:16 AM)
User are giving a good comments for Samsung, Asus & LG 22" LCD...Anyone has the experience in using BenQ? This would be ideal for normal usage same like Acer...
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post Jul 20 2007, 05:11 AM

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In order to test whether the display is good or not you have to request them to hook up the LCD directly to just one pc. Cos in most outlets they use ciplak video splitters to split the signal to many LCDs, hence the deterioration in quality, not to mention that since they have so many different sizes on display, the one you are looking at most prob not running at its native res. Running an LCD at anything other than its native res will cause everything to look blur or out of focus.

If I'm not mistaken 1:1 pixel mapping is important only if the native res is high enough to support the signal. I.e., if you want true HD (1920x1080 a.k.a. 1080p) your LCD's native res must be the same or higher. If you want pixel mapping for lower than that, then only applicable for lower HD res (1280x720 a.k.a. 720p) which 19" and 20" can support (1440x900 and 1680x1050 respectively). XBox360 is 1080i, PS3 and Blu-Ray/HD-DVD are 1080p so theoretically it looks like anything below 24" would not be able to support those true res. But please correct me if I'm wrong.

If you want to watch movies in letterbox format then 1:1 may be important, but then again, regular DVD resolution is only 720x540 for 4:3 and 720x405 for 16:9. I don' t think you would want to watch a really small picture on a 1440x900 display, would you? So IMHO 1:1 isn't that important if you're looking at anything smaller than 24".



QUOTE(cinbao @ Jul 19 2007, 07:47 PM)
Actually I am just want to ask whether the Dynamic Contrast (DC) Ratio is necessary or useless? Even through they are clarification about DC is for Movie, but not major for gaming... =.=""

Either I have difficult to make decision for this BenQ which do have 1:1 mapping but only contrast ratio 800:1 or Samsung 206bw 3000:1 DC ...

I do research from Digimall All IT Hypermarket about their display unit for Samsung 206bw but it look quite blur ... other like viewsonic even perform better than it, so I have ambigious about wtf is DC and is this DC make the 206bw blur like shit ? No offence for those Samsung 206bw and 226 bw owners but can you realized is that only that display unit sux or watsoever?

If u feel free and go to PJ Digimall 3rd floor All IT Hypermarket to have a look, I didnot lie ...
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