anyone knows if the pms graduate route has lower requirement?
i heard it is not so popular.
after phase 1,you stay for one more year to get bachelor of medical science.and then you have 2 australian option and 1 uk option

Hi,
I am an applicant from singapore interested in attending imu pms programme. I have some queries with regard to their admission process. Firstly, is there an exact cut off for the pms with singapore a level results? Will they look into your co curriculars together with your grades to decide on an offer for you? Secondly, how is the interview like? Is it more for formality, or they really want to sieve out people. Thirdly, are there many Singaporeans studying there? Lastly, I've read about the unpredictable matching system in imu. If I were to put all the choices as UK would I have a chance of getting a school not on my list of choices? I'm predicted AABB for my a levels. Can you apply with predicted grades? Thank you for the help, really appreciate it

hey guys, china now recognises imu. does that mean future grads can work there?

What they mean is students from china can study there and recognized back home.

From what I heard,you have to get through some sort of test before practise in china even if you studied in china.
However,I heard the test is not hard.
It is not easy to find a job in china as a medical graduate because there are more graduates than positions.
Normally,you have to had least have a master of medicine in china(2 yrs), this is like the residency training In western countries.many ppl in china has doctor of medicine (degree you obtained after master of medicine3 yrs).if you get really high grades in university admission test,you can get into accelerated doctor of medicine program which is 8 yrs.the md in china is different from md in US.salary varies a lot in china,if you have doctor of medicine from a reputable uni or you have finished residency training in US or other developed countries.
Your salary can be rm10k-15k+ per month.if you only have mbbs or master of medicine,your starting salary can be really low,like rm1k+ per month and it is also likely that you can't find a job.

thanks alot forthe swift response that was really informative.

what about dental grads(local programme) who also possess permanent residentship of China?

I am from china myself.
I am not sure about dental grads.
I guess it is similar with medicine in china,you can get better job by undertaking master of dental science or doctor of dental science.and you have to get through some sort of test.
If you have experience in first world countries,you can get paid really well.
A graduate from US was offered a job with rm500k per year.
I know a medical graduated from a Russian university get paid only rm1k per month.
So if you just hold a mbbs from imu,but no master or doctor degree,and have not obtained residency or specialization training,it is not advisable to go to china to practise.you will hardly find a job.
But if you have experience or further degrees,things will be different.
Part of the reason why doctor is not paid really well in china is because there are too many medical schools.
If you hold a doctor of medicine degree from top universities like qinghua or Peking university,you will be fine.rm15k per month will not be difficult.

This post has been edited by irisss: Jan 21 2013, 11:31 AM

1. the spore a levels is treated the same as ill other a levels, although it is well known the grading system is sticter in the spore a levels......

2. co-cur plays almost zero part in the selection....

3. the interview, at least in the past, was mainly to determine if you have enough money to pay for the course.....i doubt if it is different now....

4. every batch, there will be a few 'sporeans'...not that many....and some of them are actually msians living in spore.....

5. in the matching, you list ALL the med schools in you order of preferences....and yes, theoritically, you can be matched to one low down in your choices....

6.yes, you can apply based on forecast results...

a 2 year 'masters' CANNOT be like residency programmes in the west.....it sounds like an academic study rather than a specialisation vocational training......

Not exactly the same.the system is different.i said it is like residency in the west is because after these degrees,you do not have to do any other residency.you can be a dermatologist or surgeon straight after these degrees.
you have to choose a specialization in the master and doctor degree like radiology or dermatology.you study related knowledge and rotate in the hospital in the same time.
One of my relative is doing master of medicine in gynecology and obestritic.i heard he will rotate in the hospital and get paid every month.thats why i say it is like residency.
Correct me if I am wrong because I am not studying medicine in china.

How long does it take in china to train up a doctor? Did you say 8 years? When do you specialize and how? How long does it take to be a specialist?

When you study master or doctor degree,you can choose a specialization.so you can become a specialist after these degrees.so it can be 7,8,10,11yrs.
I made a mistake before,master of medicine in china is 3yrs not 2 yrs.
Doctor of medicine in china is 3 yrs.
It is a bit like residency in US to me,residency training in US can be from 3 yrs to 7 yrs depend on the specialty.while master of medicine in china is 3 yrs,and you get paid every month.you also do training in hospital.essentially you are doing the specialization training except that you get a degree(certificate)
If you get really high grades in university admission test.
You can undertake accelerated mbbs/master degree which is 7 yrs.while the normal route is 5+3 yrs.
Accelerated mbbs/md degree is 8 yrs,while normally it is 5+3+3 yrs.
The accelerated mbbs/master and accelerated mbbs/md degree from about 8 universities in china are recognised by singapore.you can practise in singapore if you are from these programs.
In the recent 20 yrs,it has become increasingly popular for medical graduate from china to go to US to obtain residency training.some after mbbs,some after master,some from md.
study medicine in china is cheap,less than RM5k a year.

This post has been edited by irisss: Jan 21 2013, 03:53 PM

so that means if i finish my course in IMU then do a specialisation in UM, i have better chances to open my own clinic in China?

China is over saturated with doctors as well... nobody wants to be a doctor anymore from the recent news that i've heard...

What about dentists? How can there ever be enough doctors for a population of 1.3 billion?

Yeah.i think so..
Not sure about the clinic part.
Are you interested in working in china?

This post has been edited by irisss: Jan 22 2013, 11:17 AM

Yep.thats why some doctors go to US and some change their careers.
Too many medical schools>hard to find job>low pay

Limited job position,too many medical graduates.many unis have medicine faculty.
You will be fine if you graduate from reputable uni and have at least master degree and some connections.
My relative had a mbbs degree and when he is undertaking master degree he find a medical related part time job RM 100 a day.
Not too bad given the salary condition in my opinion.

Hi iris how did your interview go?

technically it is not. but like the case of all countries, it is the rural areas that are lack of doctors. after spending so much hard work and money for the degree, how many are willing to go back to their kampungs or other kampungs to serve when the people there can hardly make a living for themselves? meanwhile in cities, the same scenario applies. too many doctors, too little places.