hmm.. do you know the exact Mandarin words for it? I am a Banana but I can copy paste and listen to those words via Google translate.

Tengalan in Chinese is 丁加兰 (ding Jia lan in Mandarin, Ding Ga Lan in Cantonese). It taste very nice, but it has insane amount of bones. You need to be very careful when you're eating it. Same like sultan jelawat fish. Usually my relatives living there will buy from the Malay fishermans, only rm30-40 for huge 1.5-2kg fish.

Regarding Soon Hock price, the price selling in the wet market is quite cheap. In restaurants it's not very cheap as well like in KL/Selangor.

If you travel to Lenggong, you can PM me for some restaurant recommendations and the local specialties. The local cili padi sauce (MK Brand - owned by my relative) is miles better than Kg. Koh, and there's a nice roti canai stall selling there in the morning. For Chinese food Chat Sook Restaurant is great and rarely mentioned in newspapers and websites because it's relatively new (opened in the past few years) but the chef is one of the best in Lenggong since he was trained by his father, one of the legendary chefs in Lenggong's golden age where even Hong Kong celebrities would visit the town and when Lenggong is a major town in Perak.

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1. Good some expert elder would definitely help a lot. My father like to eat fish but he is not that particular about the name and how to differentiate it.

2. haha. Bingo.. just as I suspected. In Malaysia, Empurau/Ikan Kelah are from Sg Rajang at Sarawak only. Yea. I heard most Kelah (Empurau, Kelah merah, i think even Kelah hijau are eaten with its scale) and most of those giant fish like Giant Grouper are eaten whole. None of their body part are wasted. In the case of Giant Grouper, even their gonads (I believe it is the fish testicles) would be cook into separate dish.

3. Yup, I know. It in my post of Freshwater fish.

4. Patih Mas? You mean Patin Mas? The hybrid patin. Produced using Patin Buah and Patin Muncung. (a lot of hybrid fish nowadays cause commercialized, want them to grow bigger & faster)

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1. Lol. the Cantonese named sound like cursing/vulgar word. I think it should be some kind of carp fish. Carp famous for it small "Y" shaped bone.

2. Oh I see. Only lower price in wet market. Too bad. I have no skill in cooking it. Better don't tarnish some good fish with my lousy cooking skill.

3. Hehe. Thanks for the invitation. Let see if I manage to get some off days first & some makan gang. Hmm MK brand never heard before but usually those low profile chili sauce are better than those "famous" one. Agreed with your comment about Kg Koh. I am from Ipoh, we have a chili + garlic sauce called Highlands brand but Ipoh people just call it "Foh Shan" (Volcano) chili sauce.

Good info on fish here. Thanks.



Are you referring to total As & Hg? Or they're already speciated? Fishery Dept does speciation? If they do, the LC has a tendency to transform while separating due to metal in the pathway as not everything is Peek. Secondly, is the ICP-MS sensitive enough?

I have read your previous post about you are involve in fish farming. So, when i saw you wrote about hybrid grouper is mix between Tiger Grouper with Goliath Grouper (which you refers as Long Dan), I assume that you just type wrongly or something. (As far as I know, hybrid grouper/to be specific the Long Fu Ban was first produced at Sabah, their English name is Sabah Grouper)

As far as I know, there is only two type of Goliath grouper, Atlantic & Pacific which is 2 ocean/sea that are super faraway from South East Asia. Now, you have make me curious about this Asian Goliath Grouper. Could you send us some photo? It would be better if you send me the name of their species. I would be happy to do some research (googling ) about them.

Whoa, hold your horses.

English, please? too many scientific words.

They use an ICP-MS to determine heavy metals, but that can only give you total content and not the types of say, organic and inorganic. That has to go through separation by either a liquid or ion chromatography. I'm not too sure if MY uses speciation techniques or not but if they do, it's probably a liquid chromatography instrument which has metal parts that might transform the methylmercury back to normal, so you won't be able to detect it anyway.

Would love to give pics and info but this project is on confidential basis for now in Malaysia. I can however disclose that the hatchery I am attached with is currently reproducing Goliath with mix breed but not tigers.
The 2nd project is cultivating and breeding of belugas. First facility is in terenganu which is where I am now. Beluga facility is in k.perlis. I will try to attach some morepics when I get back next week.

Pics are very recent but not on any of the confidential facility.


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Let me get this straight.
What you mean is if the list by Malaysia are research result that use a liquid chromatography instrument, the methylmercury contents in a fish are not accurate?

Whoa. So, I assume the Goliath that you are referring are a type of hybrid too? Not the natural/wild one?

Belugas? The dolphin? Why you guys want to breed that?

Goliath is pure breed.

High probability. But in metal analysis, you use ICP or ICP-MS. Only when you need to speciate for organic and inorganic, then you need a chromatograph in front of the ICP-MS when you want to look at the species for eg, Hg2+, MeHg, EtHg and PhHg. Otherwise for T-Hg, an ICP will suffice.

That's funny because in Germany, almost all my friends who got pregnant were told to avoid seafood for risk of mercury contamination.

So they take supplements instead.

hmmm.
Epinephelus itajara ?
Epinephelus quinquefasciatus ?
Epinephelus lanceolatus ?

I think because Germany is near to Atlantic Ocean. I read somewhere before that most of Atlantic fishes are high in mercury. Other place includes Gulf of Mexico.
The cleanest source for oily fish would be from the Artic Ocean.

Another thing that I realize is since mercury accumulate around the same ways as Omega 3, it is safe to assume that the higher Omega 3 in a fish, it mercury content would be higher too (of course, they accumulate in different rate. what I mean roughly rate of accumulation).

Any news about the chicken fish?

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wahlau. i want to learn. pls be make frens with me.

P.S I can't log into my own account with the name Allen89 so I just create a new one with extra "." in username & found this thread.

Whoa. nice thread/post. I thought this is "Kopitiam" where most post are troll and etc? This should be in "Serious Kopitiam".
How about the normal carp fish? The one that Chinese like to eat? Any info?

For example, huaaat a.... Imagine if it happen in Asia.


Extra stuff about snakehead in ang moh place


This post has been edited by Allen.89: Jan 22 2018, 07:09 PM

Yea, I also think TS should start his thread in "Serious Kopitiam". But it already started. Can't change, right?

I rarely eat carp because they usually have a lot of bones which I am not patient enough to go thru all the effort. Even those expensive carp like Empurau, Jelawat & Temoleh, I ate it cause people (bos or rich client) belanja. As such, I don't really familiar with carp (there are a lot of Empurau, Jelawat & Temoleh informations in English that you can find on the net). As for normal carp, I can't find much. Maybe there is more in Chinese website (which I can't read).

I could only find some info in English as below:

Before Tang Dynasty, common carp (鲤鱼 ~ Li Yu) was the main cultivated freshwater fish for consumption. However, common carp are banned during Tang Dynasty because the fish have the same name/surname as the Tang Dynasty royal family (Lee/Li is their surname/family name) leading to cultivation of other freshwater fish species. Those new species are Grass (草鱼), silver (鲢鱼), bighead (鳙鱼), and black carp (青鱼) which are later known as the "Four Major Domesticated Fish" (四大家鱼) in China and become the most important freshwater fish species for food and traditional Chinese medicine (* mean the Chinese have breed them as food for thousand of years, same like chicken, pig or cow.).

At the present time in some part of the world especially in USA, they have become an invasive species and collectively known as Asian Carp.


When the Chinese migrate in mass to South East Asia (I believe they call it as "Nanyang"), they bring carp with them. When the Malay in those days ask the Chinese about the name of those carp, the Chinese told them those carp are from Tongsan (China). So, it is Tongsan Fish/Ikan Tongsan (derived from Cantonese) - “唐山” (Mandarin).

Those Tongsan fish are known to be a tough fish in terms of endurance (able to survive) to different environments & physically as game fish. However, they are known to fail to reproduce especially in captivity due to their strict requirements for reproduction that includes water temperature or substrate type (especially true in tropical climate as they are originate from temperate climate region, China). You rarely see people BREED Tongsan fish in Malaysia. Most Tongsan fish eaten in Malaysia are young fish that are imported from China & kept till it is mature enough to be served as food or some kept it in fish pond for angler to fish.

Only the common carp (Ikan Lee Koh) which is not part of the "Four Major Domesticated Fish" has been found to breed locally (Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan, India) under natural conditions. While the "Four Major Domesticated Fish" are able to breed perfectly fine in climate that is similar to East Asia. For example, in your video, at USA, specifically northern USA heading towards Canada.

Recently, those "Four Major Domesticated Fish" were successfully induced to spawn in captivity by injecting the ripe fish with a pituitary (search for pituitary gland & anterior pituitary) suspension made from the pituitaries of gravid common carp. I heard there is one (research/experiment using this technique) at Bukit Tinggi (not sure if it refers to the one at Klang or the one at Bentong, Pahang).

While it is cheap, demand for Tongsan fish from consumers is "almost non-existent", and it is usually hawker stalls and restaurants that buy this type of fish. In Malaysia, I only heard of two Tongsan fish that was normally served in Chinese restaurant as there is this popular saying in Cantonese, "Soong yu tau, waan yu mei" which mean if you want to eat fish head, then eat Soong Yu (Big Head Carp), if you want to eat the fish tail, then eat Wan Yu (Grass Carp). As such, I only have details about this 2 fish.
P.S I wonder what happen to the Soong Yu Tail and the Wan Yu Head if everyone eat like this?

The Malays differentiate this two carp by their scale. Grass carp have thicker scale hence the Malay name of tongsan sisik kasar while
bighead carp have thinner scale hence the name tongsan sisik halus.

P.S. I do not own any of the photo as below.

Freshwater fish

Grass Carp
Mandarin name : 草鱼 (Cǎo yú), 鲩 (Huàn), 鲩鱼 (Huàn yú), 油鲩 (Yóu huàn)
Cantonese name : 鯇魚 (Waan Yu), 皖魚 (Waan Yu, Wan Yue) * It is said that due to Cantonese having 9 tones? They pronounce "Huan" as "Waan"
Hokkien name : Chow Hu
Malay name : Ikan Tongsan Sisik Kasar, Kap Rumput
Details:
• When the preferred food of the grass carp is not available, this fish feeds on terrestrial (land) vegetation hanging over the surface of the water. In fact, the name "grass carp" comes from its unique ability to consume terrestrial grasses. Other terrestrial plants eaten by grass carp include banana leaves.
• It have elongated, chubby, torpedo-shaped body forms.
• Its terminal mouth is slightly oblique with non-fleshy, firm lips, and no barbels.
• Its body colour is dark olive, shading to brownish-yellow on the sides, with a white belly and large, slightly outlined scales.



Bighead Carp
Mandarin name : 大头鱼 (Dà tóu yú), 鰫鱼 (Yóng yú), 松鱼 (Sōng yú)
Cantonese name : Soong Yu
Hokkien name : Twa Hu, Hua Leng
Malay name : Ikan Tongsan Sisik Halus, Kap Kepala Besar
NOTE :
• The Mandarin word 松 (Sōng) in 松鱼 (Sōng yú) mean pine tree (松树). While pine tree in Cantonese are written as "松樹" which used the same "松" character/word, it is pronounced as "cung" in Cantonese, the same way as how you pronounce "insect" in Cantonese.

As such, the name "Soong Yu" in Cantonese is the corrupted translation from Mandarin which is most probably direct translated from the other meaning of 松 (Sōng) in Mandarin. That other meaning is "loose; relax; slack" which is written in Cantonese as "鬆" and pronounced as "Soong"

Details:
• It has a large, scaleless head, a large mouth, and eyes located very low on the head.
• Adults usually have a mottled silver-gray coloration.
• This fish are primarily filter feeders, preferentially consume zooplankton, but also phytoplankton and detritus.


Some people identify Soong Yu (Bighead carp) as Silver Carp due to their similar look. Silver carp have silvery white body colour compare to Bighead carp dark colour.

* For those who found the information above are not correct, pls comment

This post has been edited by xxhenry89xx: Apr 17 2018, 12:42 PM