Yea, I also think TS should start his thread in "Serious Kopitiam". But it already started. Can't change, right?

I rarely eat carp because they usually have a lot of bones which I am not patient enough to go thru all the effort. Even those expensive carp like Empurau, Jelawat & Temoleh, I ate it cause people (bos or rich client) belanja. As such, I don't really familiar with carp (there are a lot of Empurau, Jelawat & Temoleh informations in English that you can find on the net). As for normal carp, I can't find much. Maybe there is more in Chinese website (which I can't read).

I could only find some info in English as below:

Grass (草鱼), silver (鲢鱼), bighead (鳙鱼), and black carp (青鱼) are known as the "Four Major Domesticated Fish" (四大家鱼) in China and are the most important freshwater fish species for food and traditional Chinese medicine.
* mean the Chinese have breed them as food for thousand of years, same like chicken, pig or cow.

When the Chinese migrate in mass to South East Asia (I believe they call it as "Nanyang"), they bring carp with them. When the Malay in those days ask the Chinese about the name of those carp, the Chinese told them those carp are from Tongsan (China). So, it is Tongsan Fish/Ikan Tongsan (derived from Cantonese) - “唐山” (Mandarin).

Those Tongsan fish are known to be a tough fish in terms of endurance (able to survive) to different environments & physically as game fish. However, they are known to fail to reproduce especially in captivity due to their strict requirements for reproduction that includes water temperature or substrate type (especially true in tropical climate as they are originate from temperate climate region, China). You rarely see people BREED Tongsan fish in Malaysia. Most Tongsan fish eaten in Malaysia are young fish that are imported from China & kept till it is mature enough to be served as food or some kept it in fish pond for angler to fish.

Only the common carp (Ikan Lee Koh) which is not part of the "Four Major Domesticated Fish" has been found to breed locally (Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan, India) under natural conditions. While the "Four Major Domesticated Fish" are able to breed perfectly fine in climate that is similar to East Asia. For example, in your video, at USA, specifically northern USA heading towards Canada.

Recently, those "Four Major Domesticated Fish" were successfully induced to spawn in captivity by injecting the ripe fish with a pituitary (search for pituitary gland & anterior pituitary) suspension made from the pituitaries of gravid common carp. I heard there is one (research/experiment using this technique) at Bukit Tinggi (not sure is Klang one or the one at Bentong, Pahang).

While it is cheap, demand for Tongsan fish from consumers is "almost non-existent", and it is usually hawker stalls and restaurants that buy this type of fish. In Malaysia, I only heard of two Tongsan fish that was normally served in Chinese restaurant as there is this popular saying in Cantonese, "Soong yu tau, waan yu mei" which mean if you want to eat fish head, then eat Soong Yu (Big Head Carp), if you want to eat the fish tail, then eat Wan Yu (Grass Carp). As such, I only have details about this 2 fish.
P.S I wonder what happen to the Soong Yu Tail and the Wan Yu Head if everyone eat like this?

The Malays differentiate this two carp by their scale. Grass carp have thicker scale hence the Malay name of tongsan sisik kasar while
bighead carp have thinner scale hence the name tongsan sisik halus.

Grass Carp
Mandarin name  : 草鱼 (cǎo yú), 鲩 (Huàn), 鲩鱼 (Huàn yú), 油鲩 (yóu huàn)
Cantonese name : 皖鱼 (Waan Yu, Wan Yue) * It is said that due to Cantonese having 9 tones? They pronounce "Huan" as "Waan"
Hokkien name  : Chow Hu
Malay name  : Ikan Tongsan Sisik Kasar, Kap Rumput
Details:
• When the preferred food of the grass carp is not available, this fish feeds on terrestrial (land) vegetation hanging over the surface of the water. In fact, the name "grass carp" comes from its unique ability to consume terrestrial grasses. Other terrestrial plants eaten by grass carp include banana leaves.
• It have elongated, chubby, torpedo-shaped body forms.
• Its terminal mouth is slightly oblique with non-fleshy, firm lips, and no barbels.
• Its body colour is dark olive, shading to brownish-yellow on the sides, with a white belly and large, slightly outlined scales.

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Bighead Carp
Mandarin name  : 大头鱼 (Dà tóu yú), 鰫鱼 (Yóng yú), 松鱼 (Sōng yú)
Cantonese name : Soong  Yu
Hokkien name  : Twa Hu, Hua Leng
Malay name  : Ikan Tongsan Sisik Halus, Kap Kepala Besar
Details:
• It has a large, scaleless head, a large mouth, and eyes located very low on the head.
• Adults usually have a mottled silver-gray coloration.
• This fish are primarily filter feeders, preferentially consume zooplankton, but also phytoplankton and detritus.

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Some people identify Soong Yu (Bighead carp) as Silver Carp due to their similar look.

* For those who found the information above are not correct, pls comment 

Let me get back to you regarding the chicken fish later when I ask my old dad about it. He loves seafood and have been eating it since young in our hometown

The ikan Kelah I ate was definitely not Empurau (wang bu Liao).. in Cantonese they called it Hong Kat Lor (red Kelah) . texture was similar to Tengalan. A unique way they steam it is that they don't scrape away the scales and steam it together, apparently you can eat it but I was like no thanks. Here's a picture I took (steamed)


Tengalan in Chinese is 丁加兰. It taste very nice, but it has insane amount of bones. You need to be very careful when you're eating it. Same like sultan jelawat fish. Usually my relatives living there will buy from the Malay fishermans, only rm30-40 for huge 1.5-2kg fish.

Other fish that I regularly eat there is patin (ikan patih mas?), Kerai... Very nice. 

If you travel to Lenggong, you can PM me for some restaurant recommendations and the local specialties. The local cili padi sauce (MK Brand - owned by my relative) is miles better than Kg. Koh, and there's a nice roti canai stall selling there in the morning. For Chinese food Chat Sook Restaurant is great and rarely mentioned in newspapers and websites because it's relatively new, but the chef is one of the best in Lenggong since he was trained by his father, one of the legendary chefs in Lenggong's golden age where even Hong Kong celebrities would visit the town and when Lenggong is a major town in Perak.

Any news about the chicken fish?

As i mentioned in my first post, all of the info was compiled by me from various sources. It is just a coincidence that I have the same interest in what Leo.Lee was asking for.

1. The legend is about a Malay from Perak who is quite rich (some say poor) and like cockfighting (sabung/laga ayam). Let call him Pak Ali (I forgot his name). His rooster/cock never lose a cockfight and Pak Ali was happy in the beginning. Due to Pak Ali's rooster never lose, nobody dare to put their rooster in a cockfight against Pak Ali's rooster and as such Pak Ali start to feel bored.

The news of Pak Ali's rooster came to the attention of the Sultan Perak and he challenge Pak Ali into a cockfight. The Sultan Perak came up with few conditions/stake for the cockfight. Pak Ali accept it because he was so bored (to the extent of not thinking rationally) and he would do anything just to join a cockfighting. The conditions/stake are Pak Ali's rooster would be exchange with Sultan's rooster and would represent Sultan in the cockfight while Pak Ali would have Sultan's rooster to represent him. If Pak Ali lose, his village, house, wife, children & etc (all his belonging) would be owned by the Sultan Perak. If the Sultan lose, Pak Ali will gain part of the Sultan ruling power/authority and part of Perak state.

In the cockfight, as usual, Pak Ali's rooster win the fight and he was so happy until he realize that his rooster are representing the Sultan. Pak Ali lose everything and went to live in small house near a river. One day, he saw a giant Ikan Tapah washes ashore/stranded beside the river. He dunno what to do until a parrot fly to a tree near Pak Ali and make a sound that sound like "blllah prut". Pak Ali thought it mean "belah perut" (cut the stomach) and so he cut the stomach of the giant Ikan Tapah and to his surprise, there is a lot of gold coming out from the fish stomach. Pak Ali take all the gold and stitch back the fish stomach. He release the Ikan Tapah back to the river and swear to the fish that he & his family & his descendant would not eat, abuse, disrespect & etc (basically not doing any harm) the Ikan Tapah. If anyone of them violate this promise/swear/curse, they will get itchiness and swollen all over their body (basically skin disease) After that, Pak Ali use most of the gold to redeem all his belonging & save some.

Today, Pak Ali's descendant that was in touch with Ikan Tapah their skin would become red and itchy. Then, they will need to go and meet one of Pak Ali descendant who still keep the remaining gold and use that gold to boil with some water. They will drink the water and will be cured from the skin disease.

2. There are a lot of thing that people dunno about South and/or Central America people's diets. Different place have different animals & plant. As such, people would eat whatever is available there. They eat piranha, guinea pig (breed for food same as rabbit), arapaima (original wild caught but caught too much so they farmed it nowadays) and etc. It just that some of their food are not popularized to the rest of the world unlike their chilli, cocoa which made into chocolate, pineapple, papaya, dragon fruit (you do know that it is a fruit of a cactus, right? and only central & south america desert or half desert have cactus. P.S don't go imagine Middle East desert with camel and cactus. lol) and quite recently avocado.

"reared by seafood restaurant guy - near Tropicana club" - are you sure those arapaima are not in the menu?   

the source of your fish that u bought in market alrdy contaminated with alot of unnatural growth hormones to begin with, especially farmed fish..if u want genuine fish that is good for you and your kids only go for wild caught salmon, tuna, and some local river fish....

I eat the ginger steam wan yue all the time, but didnt know that it is a carp.... 
Only know that it is a very bony fish.

intro to the chinese, they can eat them to extinction there...

P.S. I do not own any of the photo as below.

Saltwater fish

Unicorn Leatherjacket
Also known as : Unicorn Filefish 
Mandarin name : 鹿仔鱼 (Lù zǐ yú), 鸡鱼 (Jī yú), 肉竹 (Ròu zhú)
Hokkien name : Keh Hu, Bak Teik
Malay name : Ikan Barat-barat, Kerosok Padi, Ayam Laut
Details:
• This fish is sold/marketed as "Chicken Fish" in Malaysia.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.za/LocationPhoto...ersekutuan.html
The links above show the photo of the fish sold at Jalan Alor.

When I try to search about the fish, I found that the fish is called Unicorn Leatherjacket in English, Ikan Barat-barat in Malay and Keh Hu in Hokkien. And the image results based on using the information above are definitely showing the same fish. However, when I search using the terms "Chicken Fish", I found some fish image that definitely not Ikan Barat-barat/Unicorn Leatherjacket, instead it is another type of fish called Starry triggerfish and Ikan Jebong/Ayam Laut in Malay. Most of the search results are from Malay blog and as such, saying that Starry triggerfish is the "Chicken Fish".

http://sharingthotsandluv.blogspot.my/2013...asam-manis.html
One of the blog that write about Starry triggerfish/Ikan Jebong.

My question is which is the real identity of "Chicken Fish" in Malaysia. Note that when i say in Malaysia because there is another Chicken fish from Vanuatu near Solomon Islands called poulet fish.

Or is it both consider as the Chicken fish? Just like how the Chinese identify both freshwater catfish and marine/saltwater catfish as Tong Sat (Cantonese)?

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It is said to be taste like chicken. Hence, it is sold under the name of “Chicken Fish” in Malaysia.

Jebong / Starry Triggerfish

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kjPTHCkK_CM/TgAf...00/DSC01259.JPG 

i was about to post this 
it tasted like chicken really tasty

in case u didnt know, fishes change sex from F to M or M to F. they are like.....transgenders lol.

https://i.imgur.com/5YaOeuH.jpg 

P.S. I do not own any of the photo as below.

Saltwater fish

Narrow-barred Spanish Mackerel
Mandarin name  : 马鲛鱼 (Mǎ jiāo yú), 康氏马鲛 (Kāng shì mǎ jiāo)
Cantonese name: Kau Yue, Chuk Kau
Hokkien name : Tek Ka
Malay name  : Ikan Tenggiri Batang
Details:
• It has long body, lack of scales and thick rubbery skin.
• It has dark bluish-grey to bluish-green top body, silvery grey sides and whitish belly with multiple dark grey vertical bars pattern on its body.
• When selecting a Narrow-barred Spanish Mackerel, make sure that its flesh is slightly pinkish and not in whitish colour. The blood clots around the bone should be fresh red in colour. (refer the fish cross-section as below)

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The cross-section of the fish

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Spotted Spanish Mackerel
Also known as  : Indo-Pacific King Mackerel / Spotted Seerfish
Mandarin name  : 马鲛鱼 (Mǎ jiāo yú), 斑点马鲛 (Bān diǎn mǎ jiāo)
Cantonese name : Kau Yue
Hokkien name  : Beh Ka
Malay name  : Ikan Tenggiri Papan, Ikan Tenggiri Bunga
Details:
• It has silvery white sides with several rows of round dark brownish spots scattered in about three irregular rows along the lateral line.

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Korean Seerfish
Also known as  : Korean Mackerel
Mandarin name  : 马鲛鱼 (Mǎ jiāo yú), 朝鲜马鲛 (Cháoxiǎn mǎ jiāo)
Cantonese name : Kau Yue
Hokkien name  : Tua Pan
Malay name  : Ikan Tenggiri Korea
Details:
• Compare with the Narrow-Barred Spanish Mackerel & Spotted Spanish Mackerel, this fish have a more distinct hump above the eyes which make it look a bit “fiercer”.

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P.S. I do not own any of the photo as below.

Saltwater fish

Dragon Tiger Grouper
Also known as  : Hybrid Grouper / Sabah Grouper
Scientific name  : Epinephelus Fuscoguttatus x Epinephelus Lanceolatus
Mandarin name  : 石斑魚 (Shí bān yú), 龙虎班 (Lóng hǔ bān)
Cantonese name : Long Fu Paan
Malay name  : Kerapu Hibrid, Kerapu Kacukan
Details:
• A new type of grouper results from cross-breeding.
• There are a lot of hybrid grouper in the current market but the first hybrid grouper is cross-bred via researches from Universiti Malaysia Sabah (UMS), Malaysia, in collaboration among researchers of the Borneo Marine Research Institute of UMS, the Fisheries Development Authority of Malaysia (LKIM) and Kinki University of Japan, represented by Prof. Dr Shigeharu Senoo of UMS.
• This grouper was produced by fertilising the eggs of the tiger grouper (Brown Marbled Grouper or Lao Hu Ban in Mandarin) with the sperm of the giant grouper (Long Dan in Mandarin – literally mean Dragon Grouper) through the in-vitro fertilisation (IVF) technique; hence earning its name of Dragon Tiger Grouper derives from its Chinese name.

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Most Marine fish are farmed as well.
Hybrid grouper is a cross between tiger and Goliath and hence is what you are eating in most of the restaurants. But they still coin it as sek pan, even though it's already crossed hybrid between 2 species.
Ok?

Fren, you really think we have goliath grouper in the menu ? It is a 400kg fish.

This is a Goliath Grouper.Look at the size of this monster. It is even harder to pull up than a shark, just less stamina but massive resistance. It is a critically endangered species.

I think the fish that most chinese call "Loong Dan" is Giant Grouper. Goliath grouper and giant grouper is not the same.

Yes we do. Our Goliath grouper, Taiwan Goliath, Indonesia Goliath and Thailand Goliath is diff species but all under this category.

No. I already said b4 that Goliath and beluga are confidential information which i am not allowed to reveal.

Not to worry. In about 2 years you will get to taste the new long fu pan commercially.. Which is hybrid #3. Goliath cross breed with tiger . In Taiwan, this is available. In Msia..... Need some time more. Taiwan is the only country to successfully mass breed Goliath for now. We are close by together with Indonesia.

Goliath growth speedy, but the sperm is not so easy to obtain. So for now, if u want to eat the latest hybrid long fu pan, it's Taiwan. Msia got but is import. Not locally produced commercially yet.

The original is correct. Is giant grouper male with tiger female. That is original long Fu pan. But that was years ago. Now is Goliath male with tiger female. I know a few famous Chinese restaurant chain which started importing their own from Taiwan. Kajang fei chui is one where u can find the newest hybrid grouper. Goliath with tiger cross breed.

U won't see size diff cause table size is still within 1kg-3kg. But the growth rate and immune system improvements.....fuhhh best wei.

We do have Goliath in our Waters Just that it is very rare and we just follow since there is already a scientific name given. No point to call your same species another name when a name has already been present. The only issue with this entire procedure lies in the Goliath sperm.

I have to admit, Taiwan had great tech and techniques, Thailand and Indonesia is actually not that far off. We.....Abit slacking la usual la.

Is now 2018. Even proton saga has new design. Nobody calls them proton saga 2. It's still proton saga. Same as long Fu pan.

Pretty much that. U cut the time it takes to grow, u cut the expenses of farming to obtain a quicker yield. Feed is a diff story so I won't touch on that portion. U won't be feeding any lesser. In fact u actually feed more.

  the video would be quite useful for those who dun like to read.

This?

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