intro to the chinese, they can eat them to extinction there...
Name of MY edible fish & Fish eating concern, Fish name in Malaysia & mercury in fish Q&A
Name of MY edible fish & Fish eating concern, Fish name in Malaysia & mercury in fish Q&A
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Jan 23 2018, 06:40 AM
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intro to the chinese, they can eat them to extinction there...
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Jan 23 2018, 06:48 AM
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QUOTE(pokolinou @ Jan 17 2018, 11:31 AM) The keyword for this is "MODERATION" Too much of something is not always good. So just give your lovely wife those healthy foods everyday. Don't think too much. QUOTE(gark @ Jan 17 2018, 11:39 AM) This well say |
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Jan 23 2018, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE(xxhenry89xx @ Jan 22 2018, 10:35 PM) Yea, I also think TS should start his thread in "Serious Kopitiam". But it already started. Can't change, right? I rarely eat carp because they usually have a lot of bones which I am not patient enough to go thru all the effort. Even those expensive carp like Empurau, Jelawat & Temoleh, I ate it cause people (bos or rich client) belanja. As such, I don't really familiar with carp (there are a lot of Empurau, Jelawat & Temoleh informations in English that you can find on the net). As for normal carp, I can't find much. Maybe there is more in Chinese website (which I can't read). I could only find some info in English as below: Grass (草鱼), silver (鲢鱼), bighead (鳙鱼), and black carp (青鱼) are known as the "Four Major Domesticated Fish" (四大家鱼) in China and are the most important freshwater fish species for food and traditional Chinese medicine. * mean the Chinese have breed them as food for thousand of years, same like chicken, pig or cow. When the Chinese migrate in mass to South East Asia (I believe they call it as "Nanyang"), they bring carp with them. When the Malay in those days ask the Chinese about the name of those carp, the Chinese told them those carp are from Tongsan (China). So, it is Tongsan Fish/Ikan Tongsan (derived from Cantonese) - “唐山” (Mandarin). Those Tongsan fish are known to be a tough fish in terms of endurance (able to survive) to different environments & physically as game fish. However, they are known to fail to reproduce especially in captivity due to their strict requirements for reproduction that includes water temperature or substrate type (especially true in tropical climate as they are originate from temperate climate region, China). You rarely see people BREED Tongsan fish in Malaysia. Most Tongsan fish eaten in Malaysia are young fish that are imported from China & kept till it is mature enough to be served as food or some kept it in fish pond for angler to fish. Only the common carp (Ikan Lee Koh) which is not part of the "Four Major Domesticated Fish" has been found to breed locally (Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan, India) under natural conditions. While the "Four Major Domesticated Fish" are able to breed perfectly fine in climate that is similar to East Asia. For example, in your video, at USA, specifically northern USA heading towards Canada. Recently, those "Four Major Domesticated Fish" were successfully induced to spawn in captivity by injecting the ripe fish with a pituitary (search for pituitary gland & anterior pituitary) suspension made from the pituitaries of gravid common carp. I heard there is one (research/experiment using this technique) at Bukit Tinggi (not sure is Klang one or the one at Bentong, Pahang). While it is cheap, demand for Tongsan fish from consumers is "almost non-existent", and it is usually hawker stalls and restaurants that buy this type of fish. In Malaysia, I only heard of two Tongsan fish that was normally served in Chinese restaurant as there is this popular saying in Cantonese, "Soong yu tau, waan yu mei" which mean if you want to eat fish head, then eat Soong Yu (Big Head Carp), if you want to eat the fish tail, then eat Wan Yu (Grass Carp). As such, I only have details about this 2 fish. P.S I wonder what happen to the Soong Yu Tail and the Wan Yu Head if everyone eat like this? The Malays differentiate this two carp by their scale. Grass carp have thicker scale hence the Malay name of tongsan sisik kasar while bighead carp have thinner scale hence the name tongsan sisik halus. Grass Carp Mandarin name : 草鱼 (cǎo yú), 鲩 (Huàn), 鲩鱼 (Huàn yú), 油鲩 (yóu huàn) Cantonese name : 皖鱼 (Waan Yu, Wan Yue) * It is said that due to Cantonese having 9 tones? They pronounce "Huan" as "Waan" Hokkien name : Chow Hu Malay name : Ikan Tongsan Sisik Kasar, Kap Rumput Details: • When the preferred food of the grass carp is not available, this fish feeds on terrestrial (land) vegetation hanging over the surface of the water. In fact, the name "grass carp" comes from its unique ability to consume terrestrial grasses. Other terrestrial plants eaten by grass carp include banana leaves. • It have elongated, chubby, torpedo-shaped body forms. • Its terminal mouth is slightly oblique with non-fleshy, firm lips, and no barbels. • Its body colour is dark olive, shading to brownish-yellow on the sides, with a white belly and large, slightly outlined scales. [attachmentid=9536071] Bighead Carp Mandarin name : 大头鱼 (Dà tóu yú), 鰫鱼 (Yóng yú), 松鱼 (Sōng yú) Cantonese name : Soong Yu Hokkien name : Twa Hu, Hua Leng Malay name : Ikan Tongsan Sisik Halus, Kap Kepala Besar Details: • It has a large, scaleless head, a large mouth, and eyes located very low on the head. • Adults usually have a mottled silver-gray coloration. • This fish are primarily filter feeders, preferentially consume zooplankton, but also phytoplankton and detritus. [attachmentid=9536072] Some people identify Soong Yu (Bighead carp) as Silver Carp due to their similar look. * For those who found the information above are not correct, pls comment |
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Jan 23 2018, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE(FatalExe @ Jan 19 2018, 09:59 PM) Let me get back to you regarding the chicken fish later when I ask my old dad about it. He loves seafood and have been eating it since young in our hometown The ikan Kelah I ate was definitely not Empurau (wang bu Liao).. in Cantonese they called it Hong Kat Lor (red Kelah) . texture was similar to Tengalan. A unique way they steam it is that they don't scrape away the scales and steam it together, apparently you can eat it but I was like no thanks. Here's a picture I took (steamed) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
Tengalan in Chinese is 丁加兰. It taste very nice, but it has insane amount of bones. You need to be very careful when you're eating it. Same like sultan jelawat fish. Usually my relatives living there will buy from the Malay fishermans, only rm30-40 for huge 1.5-2kg fish. Other fish that I regularly eat there is patin (ikan patih mas?), Kerai... Very nice. If you travel to Lenggong, you can PM me for some restaurant recommendations and the local specialties. The local cili padi sauce (MK Brand - owned by my relative) is miles better than Kg. Koh, and there's a nice roti canai stall selling there in the morning. For Chinese food Chat Sook Restaurant is great and rarely mentioned in newspapers and websites because it's relatively new, but the chef is one of the best in Lenggong since he was trained by his father, one of the legendary chefs in Lenggong's golden age where even Hong Kong celebrities would visit the town and when Lenggong is a major town in Perak. QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 21 2018, 04:52 PM)
Hmm. I am curious about it too. I did try the Chicken Fish as Ikan Bakar before & the one i try is the 1st one (Unicorn Leatherjacket). The second one no idea. Maybe only consume by the Malays? |
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Jan 23 2018, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE(xxhenry89xx @ Jan 22 2018, 10:35 PM) Yea, I also think TS should start his thread in "Serious Kopitiam". But it already started. Can't change, right? damn with the abundance of legit knowledge u ppl are sharing here..i also hope this can be moved to serious /kit's not every day we get to see actual beneficial tered in /k.. |
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Jan 23 2018, 11:44 AM
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the source of your fish that u bought in market alrdy contaminated with alot of unnatural growth hormones to begin with, especially farmed fish..if u want genuine fish that is good for you and your kids only go for wild caught salmon, tuna, and some local river fish....
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Jan 23 2018, 11:47 AM
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QUOTE(xxhenry89xx @ Jan 17 2018, 12:46 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Jan 23 2018, 11:57 AM
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QUOTE(xxhenry89xx @ Jan 19 2018, 11:14 AM) As i mentioned in my first post, all of the info was compiled by me from various sources. It is just a coincidence that I have the same interest in what Leo.Lee was asking for. Yup, about chili. I told this to some of my friends and they say dun bullshit cause that would mean Indian Curry without chili, Tom Yum no chili, Sambal no chili (some of those friends are Indian & Malay 1. The legend is about a Malay from Perak who is quite rich (some say poor) and like cockfighting (sabung/laga ayam). Let call him Pak Ali (I forgot his name). His rooster/cock never lose a cockfight and Pak Ali was happy in the beginning. Due to Pak Ali's rooster never lose, nobody dare to put their rooster in a cockfight against Pak Ali's rooster and as such Pak Ali start to feel bored. The news of Pak Ali's rooster came to the attention of the Sultan Perak and he challenge Pak Ali into a cockfight. The Sultan Perak came up with few conditions/stake for the cockfight. Pak Ali accept it because he was so bored (to the extent of not thinking rationally) and he would do anything just to join a cockfighting. The conditions/stake are Pak Ali's rooster would be exchange with Sultan's rooster and would represent Sultan in the cockfight while Pak Ali would have Sultan's rooster to represent him. If Pak Ali lose, his village, house, wife, children & etc (all his belonging) would be owned by the Sultan Perak. If the Sultan lose, Pak Ali will gain part of the Sultan ruling power/authority and part of Perak state. In the cockfight, as usual, Pak Ali's rooster win the fight and he was so happy until he realize that his rooster are representing the Sultan. Pak Ali lose everything and went to live in small house near a river. One day, he saw a giant Ikan Tapah washes ashore/stranded beside the river. He dunno what to do until a parrot fly to a tree near Pak Ali and make a sound that sound like "blllah prut". Pak Ali thought it mean "belah perut" (cut the stomach) and so he cut the stomach of the giant Ikan Tapah and to his surprise, there is a lot of gold coming out from the fish stomach. Pak Ali take all the gold and stitch back the fish stomach. He release the Ikan Tapah back to the river and swear to the fish that he & his family & his descendant would not eat, abuse, disrespect & etc (basically not doing any harm) the Ikan Tapah. If anyone of them violate this promise/swear/curse, they will get itchiness and swollen all over their body (basically skin disease) After that, Pak Ali use most of the gold to redeem all his belonging & save some. Today, Pak Ali's descendant that was in touch with Ikan Tapah their skin would become red and itchy. Then, they will need to go and meet one of Pak Ali descendant who still keep the remaining gold and use that gold to boil with some water. They will drink the water and will be cured from the skin disease. 2. There are a lot of thing that people dunno about South and/or Central America people's diets. Different place have different animals & plant. As such, people would eat whatever is available there. They eat piranha, guinea pig (breed for food same as rabbit), arapaima (original wild caught but caught too much so they farmed it nowadays) and etc. It just that some of their food are not popularized to the rest of the world unlike their chilli, cocoa which made into chocolate, pineapple, papaya, dragon fruit (you do know that it is a fruit of a cactus, right? and only central & south america desert or half desert have cactus. P.S don't go imagine Middle East desert with camel and cactus. lol) and quite recently avocado. "reared by seafood restaurant guy - near Tropicana club" - are you sure those arapaima are not in the menu? |
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Jan 23 2018, 12:00 PM
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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 11:27 AM) I have 2 young kids and my wife are pregnant with another one. My wife have been frequently advise to eat more fish especially those with high Omega 3 content as Omega 3 are good for brain development. It also have the same benefits for young child and also benefit adult in one way or another. You better take scuba diving license, and go get FISH ID Lesson instead. Go see themselves in their habitat. Your kids will appreciate it more.However, I realize that there is also the concern of mercury content in fish especially popular high Omega 3 fish such as Tuna, Salmon and etc. To deal with that, I am thinking of eating plant based Omega 3 & local freshwater fish with lower Omega 3 content (not sure how low) but recently I heard that freshwater fish actually have higher mercury content that can affect brain development. I am confuse Other than that, I also wanted to show my kids the photo of those fish before it is cooked & served on a plate as I noticed many youngster today don't even know what kind of fish that they're eating. (Including myself, I only know few but not really sure how to differentiate it). I don't want my kids to be like those kids in developed country like USA & etc that don't even realize the foods that they eat especially meat are living being that have head, feet, name and etc before being served as food. And being a Chinese and living in Malaysia, I also want to know and tell my kids the name of those fish in Chinese, Malay and etc. Hope you guys have some info about this. This post has been edited by reed90: Jan 23 2018, 12:00 PM |
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Jan 23 2018, 12:05 PM
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Nice... a thread full of knowledge.
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Jan 23 2018, 12:15 PM
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QUOTE(xxhenry89xx @ Jan 22 2018, 10:35 PM) While it is cheap, demand for Tongsan fish from consumers is "almost non-existent", and it is usually hawker stalls and restaurants that buy this type of fish. In Malaysia, I only heard of two Tongsan fish that was normally served in Chinese restaurant as there is this popular saying in Cantonese, "Soong yu tau, waan yu mei" which mean if you want to eat fish head, then eat Soong Yu (Big Head Carp), if you want to eat the fish tail, then eat Wan Yu (Grass Carp). As such, I only have details about this 2 fish. I eat the ginger steam wan yue all the time, but didnt know that it is a carp.... P.S I wonder what happen to the Soong Yu Tail and the Wan Yu Head if everyone eat like this? Only know that it is a very bony fish. |
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Jan 23 2018, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE(sunami @ Jan 23 2018, 11:47 AM) inside a fish, u cant . in the waters, u can. i dont know what's the damn scare with mercurial poisoning. u'd need quite a bit to poison yourselves with it. consuming shit loads of fish wont be enough to poison u unless those fish are caught in waters that are laden with high conductivity. if its too much mercury, the fish will die first before u even get to it. if it's swimming, its fine. more than 65% of your fish is now farmed. i have inspected many hatcheries and grow-out premises and i find that they are all good and doing well. regardless taiwan, msia, thailand, norway, indoensia, all their hatcheries and grow out are in good conditiion. The ones using RAS & CRAS farms are the best. No contaminants at all. As a certified personnel in the aquafarming industry, u guys should just relax and eat up. If its caught in the natural, then u can raise some flags. If its farmed, which most likely it is, then eat with ease. |
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Jan 23 2018, 12:20 PM
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QUOTE(yeezai @ Jan 23 2018, 11:44 AM) the source of your fish that u bought in market alrdy contaminated with alot of unnatural growth hormones to begin with, especially farmed fish..if u want genuine fish that is good for you and your kids only go for wild caught salmon, tuna, and some local river fish.... 1. I believe TS did say about replacing those famous Omega 3 rich fish with local river fish but concern about freshwater have higher mercury content but xxhenry89xx have explain about it.2. I thought wild caught fish especially those from faraway are full of preservative? Of course, it depend where was it shipped from. 3. Bottomline is know where your fish come from. Tilapia famous as farmed fish but it doesn't mean all tilapia are bad. Usually tilapia farmed in China and Mekong River (share by Vietnam & Thailand) are the bad one. Even the famous bad dory fish are actually Ikan Patin from Thai. Do you mean you won't eat Ikan Patin (especially those who love Ikan Patin Masak Tempoyak)? This post has been edited by Allen.89: Jan 23 2018, 03:20 PM |
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Jan 23 2018, 12:23 PM
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Jan 23 2018, 12:24 PM
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please tell me more about growth hormones for fish. i have not come across any yet from my 15+ years of aqua farming. please also do enlighten me, how a farmed fish is worst off than a naturally caught in the wild species. i'd like to see some evidence on that as i am very curious how these data coincides with mine.
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Jan 23 2018, 12:56 PM
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Jan 23 2018, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 23 2018, 12:24 PM) please tell me more about growth hormones for fish. i have not come across any yet from my 15+ years of aqua farming. please also do enlighten me, how a farmed fish is worst off than a naturally caught in the wild species. i'd like to see some evidence on that as i am very curious how these data coincides with mine. http://foodforbreastcancer.com/news/farm-r...ficant-hormoneshttps://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/200...c-ghc091602.php its old news man .... This post has been edited by yeezai: Jan 23 2018, 01:12 PM |
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Jan 23 2018, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE(yeezai @ Jan 23 2018, 01:09 PM) http://foodforbreastcancer.com/news/farm-r...ficant-hormones the heading itself says MAYBE. https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/200...c-ghc091602.php its old news man .... buta ka ? |
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Jan 23 2018, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE(upcars @ Jan 23 2018, 01:19 PM) well its old news ...u can search for latest news regarding genetic mod in farm fish..im glad u still using traditional method of farming ..less harmful for our ppl ..i still have fish tho regardless of their origin ..if its my time then so be it..https://healinggourmet.com/organic-diet/why...rm-raised-fish/ This post has been edited by yeezai: Jan 23 2018, 01:27 PM |
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Jan 23 2018, 01:45 PM
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i'm not in traditional farming. nobody is in traditional farming. yield is too low using traditional farming. its 2018.
and sardines is in their list of safe to eat seafood ? lol. u should consume more. genetic mod like what ? durian ? i dont think any of our durians are GMO. only cross breeding, which isnt genetic mods. neither is your grouper species cross breeding a genetic mod. our palm oil also isnt genetically modded. only cross breeding. AFAIK GMO not available for any marine species otherwise u'd see some giant sized snappers and giant sized mackerel and some giant sized oysters. u have giant sized patin which is called Mekong but that's in its original form still. antibiotics do not work in saltwater where salinity is high. neither does FGH. |
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