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post Jan 17 2018, 11:39 AM

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Freshwater in Malaysia is patin, keli, temoleh, ikan hantu and few others. Chinese names are patin, tong sat, soon hock, Tak you lei. Other species edible is wan yue and wang bu liao . Empurau.

Most is farmed except temoleh and wang bu liao which is still natural for now. Mercury comment is higher cause most farms do not wash their sangkar.

Marine edible species too many to name. Snapper and grouper the most common . That alone also variety of species and mostly farmed.

Jenahak, kerapu, bawal, siakap, ikan merah, semilang, etc etc are some of the more common ones. Red snapper, golden snapper, mutton snapper, mangrove Jack, tiger grouper, Goliath grouper, hybrid grouper, barramundi.
Chinese is the pan family , Lou Fu pan , sekpan , loong Dan for grouper and Zhou family is hung Zhou, Kam Zhou , pak Zhou for snapper family. Siakap is common species.

Most Marine fish are farmed as well.
Hybrid grouper is a cross between tiger and Goliath and hence is what you are eating in most of the restaurants. But they still coin it as sek pan, even though it's already crossed hybrid between 2 species.
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Mercury content depends on which Waters and which farm and their water structure.
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post Jan 17 2018, 11:41 AM

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Tilapia I didn't mention cause it's not worth mentioning. Cod and salmon not available in msian Waters . Cobia, parang, gt all is game fish. Mekong is game fish.
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post Jan 17 2018, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(Leo.Lee @ Jan 17 2018, 12:48 PM)
Yes, but they do sell cod and salmon in the market and they're high in Omega 3. One of the thing that make me confuse is some say if scare mercury, you can eat tuna then some say don't eat tuna cause have mercury. Well, no offense ya. I am posting this question to get some debate from all of you guys. Just to see opinions from different views. I have do my own research before posting. It just that i got confuse in all those research.
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Salmon , cod , trout and bonitos are farmed. No such thing as caught in the wild anymore. Mercury conntent is minimal as they are running a very high end recirculation system which helps in the reduction of heavy metals. I know this cause I'm also in the industry of aqua farming.
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post Jan 17 2018, 08:00 PM

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Malaysia famous for kerapu. Is kerapu heaven. We compete against Taiwan, Indonesia, Thailand for the kerapu nation title. Other countries Western include Australia, USA, Italy and NZ.
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post Jan 19 2018, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(k!nex @ Jan 19 2018, 09:11 PM)
Fren, you really think we have goliath grouper in the menu ? It is a 400kg fish.
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post Jan 20 2018, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(xxhenry89xx @ Jan 20 2018, 12:07 AM)
I have read your previous post about you are involve in fish farming. So, when i saw you wrote about hybrid grouper is mix between Tiger Grouper with Goliath Grouper (which you refers as Long Dan), I assume that you just type wrongly or something. (As far as I know, hybrid grouper/to be specific the Long Fu Ban was first produced at Sabah, their English name is Sabah Grouper)

As far as I know, there is only two type of Goliath grouper, Atlantic & Pacific which is 2 ocean/sea that are super faraway from South East Asia. Now, you have make me curious about this Asian Goliath Grouper. Could you send us some photo? It would be better if you send me the name of their species. I would be happy to do some research (googling tongue.gif ) about them.
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Would love to give pics and info but this project is on confidential basis for now in Malaysia. I can however disclose that the hatchery I am attached with is currently reproducing Goliath with mix breed but not tigers.
The 2nd project is cultivating and breeding of belugas. First facility is in terenganu which is where I am now. Beluga facility is in k.perlis. I will try to attach some morepics when I get back next week.

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post Jan 20 2018, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(xxhenry89xx @ Jan 20 2018, 12:50 AM)
Whoa. So, I assume the Goliath that you are referring are a type of hybrid too? Not the natural/wild one?

Belugas? The dolphin? Why you guys want to breed that?
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Goliath is pure breed.
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post Jan 23 2018, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(sunami @ Jan 23 2018, 11:47 AM)
bro..mind to share how to check the mercury level?
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inside a fish, u cant . in the waters, u can.


i dont know what's the damn scare with mercurial poisoning. u'd need quite a bit to poison yourselves with it. consuming shit loads of fish wont be enough to poison u unless those fish are caught in waters that are laden with high conductivity. if its too much mercury, the fish will die first before u even get to it. if it's swimming, its fine.

more than 65% of your fish is now farmed. i have inspected many hatcheries and grow-out premises and i find that they are all good and doing well. regardless taiwan, msia, thailand, norway, indoensia, all their hatcheries and grow out are in good conditiion.

The ones using RAS & CRAS farms are the best. No contaminants at all. As a certified personnel in the aquafarming industry, u guys should just relax and eat up. If its caught in the natural, then u can raise some flags. If its farmed, which most likely it is, then eat with ease.
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post Jan 23 2018, 12:24 PM

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please tell me more about growth hormones for fish. i have not come across any yet from my 15+ years of aqua farming. please also do enlighten me, how a farmed fish is worst off than a naturally caught in the wild species. i'd like to see some evidence on that as i am very curious how these data coincides with mine.


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post Jan 23 2018, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(yeezai @ Jan 23 2018, 01:09 PM)
the heading itself says MAYBE.
buta ka ?
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post Jan 23 2018, 01:45 PM

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i'm not in traditional farming. nobody is in traditional farming. yield is too low using traditional farming. its 2018.

and sardines is in their list of safe to eat seafood ? lol. u should consume more.

genetic mod like what ? durian ? i dont think any of our durians are GMO. only cross breeding, which isnt genetic mods. neither is your grouper species cross breeding a genetic mod. our palm oil also isnt genetically modded. only cross breeding. AFAIK GMO not available for any marine species otherwise u'd see some giant sized snappers and giant sized mackerel and some giant sized oysters. u have giant sized patin which is called Mekong but that's in its original form still.

antibiotics do not work in saltwater where salinity is high. neither does FGH.
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post Jan 23 2018, 01:50 PM

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by the way, here are some more pics for all of u to enjoy.


this is what i feed my babies coz they aint gonna be choking on synthetic feed.

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here's around 800 of them swimming and waiting to be grown to 5" before they get transferred.

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some info for everyone in case someone is interested

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my lab equipment which i use to monitor quite a lot of stuff including diseases

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in case u didnt know, fishes change sex from F to M or M to F. they are like.....transgenders lol.

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post Jan 23 2018, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(yeezai @ Jan 23 2018, 01:59 PM)
how is the profit margin in your case ?
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post Jan 23 2018, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(6216 @ Jan 23 2018, 02:14 PM)
Errr.....
Palm oil no GMO? You sure? I wonder what we're sequencing in ACGT, Sime Darby, MARDI, etc? Antibiotics given in feed can still accumulate in fish. They also accumulate in the sediments in cages.
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few months ago i was in a discussion with PORIM about the effects of fertilizer and pesticide impact on conventional aquaculturing. i also did ask them naturally about GMO on Palm Oil trees and other variable enhancements. I was told there was no genetic modifications going on and that they would know cause they are the board.

antibiotics inserted into feed is mainly for freshwater farms, specifically prawn farms. no one in the aquamarin industry would pile on costs to give antibiotics as it is just added cost with very little value or no value. cages is soon to be a thing of the past, and i dont know many who give pellet feed when grow-out is done in cages. most of those i know have a diff diet for those grow-outs in cages out in the sea.
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post Jan 23 2018, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(6216 @ Jan 23 2018, 02:59 PM)
Nahhh..MPOB isn't the sharpest knife in the kitchen. They are genetically modded to increase yield, lower cost, resistance to pest, etc. The problem with these plantations, they don't talk to each other and they don't tell MPOB everything. Too many trade confidentiality. MPOB, 3-MCPD pun tak pandai nak buat efficiently. Dioxin pun belum tahap expert lagi. When we validate their NGS, at least 40% short read errors, like we have to redo, and not cheap wei.

Much uneaten feed, waste, etc laden with peroxide, antibiotics, copper etc end up there la, bro. While you may not actively supply, they still end up at the same place. We find a/b in farmed salmon too. Fish are full of zoonotic pathogens. Also some antibiotic is use as growth promoters. You may not use it, others may. The fertiliser and pesticide you mentioned, also gets back into the water system and might end up at the fish farm.

Back to Hg....a total Hg analysis isn't going to cut it now that we know MeHg is toxic....to us when we ingest some over a period of time.
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no choice, in this industry what they say we have to follow. if they say dont have, then dont have. we aren't gonna be the ones arguing with the board, otherwise we jeopardize our business.

your zoo plankton only applicable to very few types of marine species. siakap , jenahak and those ikan merah tahan lasak types. kerapu, tongkol and others cannot. only use pure cultivated rotifer and artemia. even copipot also we leave out. i know someone who owns a mahi-mahi farm here in malaysia. doing pretty well, and he is only purely on 0.03 micron artemia.

you are partially right but still uninformed. the trend is already moving away from conventional farming of grow-out in sangkar. those are the ones baru nak masuk join in the crowd or yang takde modal. every medium sized player has already moved to partial RAS. low discharge, sludge kek, low maintanence, high efficiency. works well especially for those located at perairan selat melaka. those who export gotta comply with LKIM and their respective jabatan perikanan (moa). since i'm qualified, i was put to certify a few plants and premises and all i see are RAS and CRAS systems. no foreign objects, no foreign modules, no foreign particles, no foreign matter.

the only reason why there was a discussion between us and MPOB is the worries of the discharge flow, industrial waste and the pesticide/ferti that seeps into the soil and slushed away by rainfall into the sea. palm oil plantation and aquafarming dont really work hand in hand. we're more like i hate u, u hate me kind of thing.

but do rest assure, majority are moving or have moved to RAS. its the only way to obtain a higher yield and control diseases and water quality. the protein skimmer, degasser, inducer, ozone and biomedia + UV is enough. conductivity is monitored constantly so i can assure u, there are little or next to no elements of metal. its pretty much a stripped up clean water pretty close to De-ionised water system (cept we retain salinity)
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post Jan 23 2018, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(6216 @ Jan 23 2018, 03:22 PM)
We'll see....I just hope we don't impose a voluntary ban like we did a few years ago. Better that than getting banned by EU.
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freshwater con9lan7firm will kena. marine no way. none of your protein feed, antibiotic feed will hold in high salinity waters. this is the reason why protein sources are kept at a minimal in pellet feed for marine species. its more krill and less fats less protein. the younger the fries are, the less then protein and fats the higher the krill content.
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post Jan 23 2018, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Jan 23 2018, 05:44 PM)
Quality thread here +1000

upcars so if I want to eat fish almost every day what kind of fish, both fresh and canned, should I buy?
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Too much of a single thing also not good leh bro. Those farmed groupers/kerapu should be on gred A these days. We export alot to HK and China.

Siakap is like the tilapia. Manyak tahan lasak. I don't like siakap cause the meat is not so chewy and not because farmed siakap not good.

U wallap those snapper family daily also no issue. Your jenahak, Kaci, ikan merah, u rotate la. Snapper not expensive and affordable. Just 1 up from siakap pricing nia.

Mini chewables u all try avoid. Belanak, kembung , cencaru, mabong , sadin . Eat less of it. Those very high heavy metal content
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post Jan 23 2018, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(Kim Bi Jan @ Jan 23 2018, 05:50 PM)
wat there's a mahi2 farm? damn..to think i accompanied my friend out deep sea fishing when we were in nz...
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Mahi farm in Msia for >6 years jor. The one even I also impressed is the beluga farm.....in Msia. This when I first visit also I shit brix. No trout or spot farm yet in Msia though.
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post Jan 23 2018, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(Allen.89 @ Jan 23 2018, 06:44 PM)
Don't tell me that this is the Goliath Grouper that you mention in previous few post?
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No. I already said b4 that Goliath and beluga are confidential information which i am not allowed to reveal.
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post Jan 23 2018, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(Allen.89 @ Jan 23 2018, 09:20 PM)
Because the guy mati-mati say Dragon Tiger Grouper is mixed between Tiger Grouper & Goliath Grouper (actually with Giant Grouper or Loong Dan). So, I was wondering...
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Not to worry. In about 2 years you will get to taste the new long fu pan commercially.. Which is hybrid #3. Goliath cross breed with tiger . In Taiwan, this is available. In Msia..... Need some time more. Taiwan is the only country to successfully mass breed Goliath for now. We are close by together with Indonesia.

Goliath growth speedy, but the sperm is not so easy to obtain. So for now, if u want to eat the latest hybrid long fu pan, it's Taiwan. Msia got but is import. Not locally produced commercially yet.

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