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post Jan 4 2008, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(judge-the @ Jan 4 2008, 12:15 AM)
well for me, creative decoder+r501 is good enough already coz must also look what's inside my pocket lah. i dont earn big huge $$$ so i'm happy with my humble audio setup...

* creative decoder is around rm500 with 3 optical inputs
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hmm..500 eh...and the 501 will be about 400. so about 900 bucks jugak la..

possibly the best value for awesome sound! i'm looking into this then. thanks a lot bro..oh and you and me we the same bro. pocket tak cukup big to get funky sound system yet.. sweat.gif
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post Jan 4 2008, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(Sd-RawK-Cab25 @ Jan 4 2008, 12:21 AM)
hmm..500 eh...and the 501 will be about 400. so about 900 bucks jugak la..

possibly the best value for awesome sound! i'm looking into this then. thanks a lot bro..oh and you and me we the same bro. pocket tak cukup big to get funky sound system yet.. sweat.gif
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already pm you another nice option with sony 5.2 setup but please take note all these suggestions are cheapo entry level so please dont compared with those super high end few Ks setup smile.gif

* please feel free to drop by my place in bkt mahkota if you wanna test the decoder smile.gif
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post Jan 4 2008, 12:57 AM

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Apisgogo,

If you're still tuning in, i stand corrected on my statement that there are no HD player that can decode DTS HD-MA internally. There is one, but it is on the opposition's camp, BD. The upcoming Denon DVD-3800BDCI has built-in Dolby TrueHD AND DTS HD-MA within its innards. So all you need to do is string together the speaker cables to the back of this and instant HBR on your system, without the need of a receiver at all.

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3749.asp

No news so far on the HD-DVD side of things on internal decoding. Most likely candidate would be either the Tosh XA3 or that Meridian HD-DVD player.
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post Jan 4 2008, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 4 2008, 12:57 AM)
Apisgogo,

If you're still tuning in, i stand corrected on my statement that there are no HD player that can decode DTS HD-MA internally. There is one, but it is on the opposition's camp, BD. The upcoming Denon DVD-3800BDCI has built-in Dolby TrueHD AND DTS HD-MA within its innards. So all you need to do is string together the speaker cables to the back of this and instant HBR on your system, without the need of a receiver at all.

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3749.asp

No news so far on the HD-DVD side of things on internal decoding. Most likely candidate would be either the Tosh XA3 or that Meridian HD-DVD player.
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Thanks for the infos. I had came across this Denon Blu-ray player. looks impressive with a whacking price tag. But its worth the money, as you mentioned, all the holy grail of HD audio decoded under the hood and seems without a need of a receiver at all. we shall see the review to came out to judge.

found an interesting article about all these HD audio:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/feature_intro...olbytruehd.html
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/1064

How do the sound difference between DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD. Both are lossless audio. Seems that few reviews mentioned the quality is somewhat similar. Care to advise?

If the quality is somewhat similar, i may be settle on Tosh HD-A35 (as the player able to decode Dolby TrueHD and send them out along the 5.1 multichannel analog output) with my existing amp,

or else, just close my eyes and purchase the Onkyo 605 and be future proof as it could be smile.gif

decision... decision... decision...
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post Jan 4 2008, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(apisgogo @ Jan 4 2008, 09:19 AM)
Thanks for the infos. I had came across this Denon Blu-ray player. looks impressive with a whacking price tag. But its worth the money, as you mentioned, all the holy grail of HD audio decoded under the hood and seems without a need of a receiver at all. we shall see the review to came out to judge.

found an interesting article about all these HD audio:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/feature_intro...olbytruehd.html
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/1064

How do the sound difference between DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD. Both are lossless audio. Seems that few reviews mentioned the quality is somewhat similar. Care to advise?

If the quality is somewhat similar, i may be settle on Tosh HD-A35 (as the player able to decode Dolby TrueHD and send them out along the 5.1 multichannel analog output) with my existing amp,

or else, just close my eyes and purchase the Onkyo 605 and be future proof as it could be smile.gif

decision... decision... decision...
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Ahahah, that link you posted is the same link i refer to for my reference.

Simply put, the difference between DTS HD MA and Dolby TrueHd is like the difference between DD5.1 and DTS: Nothing at all! Also as per the article on that link, you cannot compare bitrates of the two formats and claim on is better than the other based on bitrates, Dolby TrueHD can achieve parity with DTS HD MA even at lower bitrates.

The reason why i was picky on my receiver was the fact that studios were including either Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD MA, and needed a receiver that does both. Either lossless format would have been fine by me.

You're in the same boat as a lot of others, since they had made their receiver purchase before the introduction of receivers that decodes DTH/DTSHDMA, and wanted a player that does decoding internally and either send the decoded result as either MPCM or straight to the analogue connections. Unfortunately, that pricey Denon is the only announced player that does that, and only for the BD camp.

Why not consider other receivers as well? The TX-SR605 is a bargain for what it does, but you also have the Yammys that does that as well. I picked the SR605 simply because i dont have lots to connect to the receiver, and with the Yammy, it would be a waste. Plus , the Yammys sounded harsher to my ears, overly aggressive even on quieter notes/scenes.
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post Jan 4 2008, 11:50 AM

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@ bro Judge: thanks bro for the suggestion. anyway, don't worry bro..a cheapo entry level suggestion is what i'm looking for. 1st, i don't have a big enough room to fit a theater system. 2nd, i don't have the greens to spend.

well..maybe i could target 900 or lower..see how cheap i could get the decoder.

thanks bro!
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QUOTE(Sd-RawK-Cab25 @ Jan 4 2008, 11:50 AM)
@ bro Judge: thanks bro for the suggestion. anyway, don't worry bro..a cheapo entry level suggestion is what i'm looking for. 1st, i don't have a big enough room to fit a theater system. 2nd, i don't have the greens to spend.

well..maybe i could target 900 or lower..see how cheap i could get the decoder.

thanks bro!
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you are at seremban right... just drop by my place here lah only 30mins drive smile.gif
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post Jan 4 2008, 04:03 PM

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hehe bro, i'm staying in PJ now...in seremban on weekends only. maybe one day la..haha laugh.gif
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For speakers that doesnt take up space, get those HTIB with small speakers .... avoid the ones with tall speakers.

Can listen to demo in all audio/video shops. Recommend pioneer... dun like sony, panasonic and samsung.
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post Jan 5 2008, 09:58 AM

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I just heard this news from a fren ...

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Warner Bros. Goes Blu-Ray Exclusive
By: César A. Berardini - "Cesar" Share This ArticleJan. 4th, 2008 2:54 pm

Warner Bros. announced today it will release its high-definition movie titles exclusively in the Blu-ray disc format, bolstering Sony's format in the battle to become the next home entertainment standard. The studio had been releasing movies in both formats.

"Warner Bros.' move to exclusively release in the Blu-ray disc format is a strategic decision focused on the long term and the most direct way to give consumers what they want," said Meyer. "The window of opportunity for high-definition DVD could be missed if format confusion continues to linger. We believe that exclusively distributing in Blu-ray will further the potential for mass market success and ultimately benefit retailers, producers, and most importantly, consumers."
If this happens ... looks like its gonna happen. Then this really sux man.

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It's all over the AVSForum. Fastest growing thread too, 55 pages in less than 12 hours! A few of them are furious, some even declaring the "war" is over.

This ties in with the almost "firesale"-looking options they had at Best Buy and Amazon. What people though was flooding the market with HD-DVD titles, was most probably a flushing-down-the-toilet-and-make-ands-meet-while-you-can kinda thing!
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post Jan 5 2008, 10:27 AM

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why sucks? its the same thing wen paramount wen hd exclusive
1:1 now lor

wan the best of both world? get purplish, tats all
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Jan 5 2008, 10:27 AM)
why sucks? its the same thing wen paramount wen hd exclusive
1:1 now lor

wan the best of both world? get purplish, tats all
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Well .. i guess the more reason for me to get PS3 then just for Bluray
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yea, rm 1200-1300 for a blu ray player and much more, why not?
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And also i just heard New Line Cinema and HBO might follow WB footsteps as well by being Blu-ray exclusive.

This is worst ... no LOTR trilogy and no The Dark Knight HD-DVD if this happens. shakehead.gif
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More blows to the HD-DVD camp! Ouch!
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CES HD DVD Event canceled due to Warner announcement

I just received an email from the HD DVD Promotion Group stating that the CES 2008 HD DVD press event has been canceled. The recent Blu-ray exclusive announcement from Warner is cited as the reason for the event being canceled. You can find the full text of the notice below.

Notice of CES Press Conference Cancellation by North American HD DVD Promotion Group

"Based on the timing of the Warner Home Video announcement today, we have decided to postpone our CES 2008 press conference scheduled for Sunday, January 6th at 8:30 p.m. in the Wynn Hotel. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
We are currently discussing the potential impact of this announcement with the other HD DVD partner companies and evaluating next steps. We believe the consumer continues to benefit from HD DVD's commitment to quality and affordability - a bar that is critical for the mainstream success of any format.

We'll continue to keep you updated on new developments around HD DVD."

HD DVD is in trouble

If there is one thing that everyone is agreeing on, it is that the HD DVD is in trouble due to the Warner announcement. This decision to cancel the HD DVD press event further proves that the defection of Warner Brothers studios from the HD DVD camp is a major blow.

I am very disappointed that they have canceled the event. I would have liked to see them try to explain this move or attempt to put some type of positive spin on it. I guess I will only be attending the Blu-ray CES event this year! Stay tuned to this site for CES 2008 coverage!
http://wesleytech.com/

Well, you know what comes after that endboss raped you with his huge lasers? Game Over!
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i tot they suppose to have a 2 hour tok? now no more?
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jan 5 2008, 10:59 AM)
More blows to the HD-DVD camp! Ouch!
http://wesleytech.com/

Well, you know what comes after that endboss raped you with his huge lasers? Game Over!
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If more company goes to Blu-ray .. hd-dvd will certainly be in trouble.
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That 2 hours is gone , RX. They pulled from the conference. That is how huge the impact of Warner going Blu.

As for what's left of HD-DVD, they certainly cannot sustain staying in the "war" with only two major backers. Paramaunt has an 18 months window with them, while Universal is the only firm backer. The rest, are either with Blu or format-agnostic. Studios like New Line and HBO are expected to follow suit with Warner, while Weinstein is still a wildcard, although their titles are mainly indie films. So what's left? Fox? Nope. Disney? Certainly not, with the near confirmation of Apple including Blu-ray drives in their next Macbooks. (Apple and Disney, linked together by the majority shareholder between them, Steve Jobs).


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if apple really gonna include BD drive in ther MBs, and affordable price, im sold......

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