yo skynest,
i think u know me lah,
dont post like this,some time we need them too,


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seeseng,
the red thing at yr post cannot pakai now ,
rm4800/with tat day rm3.50 can lah but now rm is 3.35 compare to USD$ so it should be rm4600 aready cause nest is all export commidities as we all know it deal over seas n the market wont care weather RM naik or turun(tats our MAL own problem facing expensive crude oil)
some gang here know what i do for full time so any question can post here n i,ll try to answer lah if got point n time(dont ask stupit Q)


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walauwea,
so fast the red wording tukar ah.tats why dont blur blur ah.me not any high han lah ,just cari n makan only.but lates project is back to farming again cause has located an super spot for farming.
good spot for farming means fast result with super return at future time but many must be take counted-
firstly foods supply for birds so they will have an good grouth(like human lah when easy to cari makan then can back to home at 3pm to enjoy life aready)second is the eco system of the area-will it secure for life time??will goverment come to kacau us ,will it over devolope,or in 5 years time it will be full with birds farm??is the area if farmed it will disturb the local people staying near by??and many many more lah but first must find the locations first n make sure it had swift birds at the area to feed at all time mens at morning 7.30am till evening 6.30 pm there are birds to call(attract) but result at the test is taken counted means how many populations are at the area feeding.like opening shopping malls lah=where populations are many then big shopping malls like Gaint boleh cari makan lah(but those small die out).to much to be note here lah ,no time
for my standard up to date 500+pieces of nest after 18 month is good lah but just founded some lagi bagus locations n hopes tuhan bagi Ong sikit lah fr future plan


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once started to post seems cannot stop,like to explain more here for those bro who wanted to join the bird nest gang.
as for me tat had been into this biz for years as first started as an farmers too then biz hard to run shift to full time nest traders like farming ,collecting processing then exporting.dont even think tat this nest dealing biz is very nice.
we run all over MAL to collect nest from farmers all the time like farmers will let us know when they harvest(date) then we must stand by with CASH n scale at the house at that evening just to collect what they harvest tat day.any lower at prices ,farmers wont sell!!some time have to travel over thousand of Km in an day collecting nest then we have to export our nest to indon cause the skill n labour is cheap(very cheap) there so when finnish product are competatives at internasional market.WE JUST MAKE ABOUT 8%.when we buy up raw nest we aready pay the farmers 90% of the value then bring it back to process then market n running all over MAL,indon,HK n CN like crazy man just to make the little 8% or 6%.so u say farmers syok or traders syok.we have to bare many risk like hutang tak bayar,dealers gone with our stocks n many more that cannot be post here.capital is so large at nest trading tats why after few years at trading feels a bit tired to but what to do still have babies birds(kids) to feed back home.
as an business plan its very attractive for 6% or 8% profits for every month deal at nest trading but once must do to know what we are facing.
so the main word also back to farming syok lah.harvesting in the building aready got buyers waiting out side,few hours of works in a month then its salary time aready(my point of view lah)
as my expreances tru this biz all over the region market =FARMING still the best BUT =becareful when u first start.the start is every thing .once u are on the right track u will see the future in no time but 85% that fail,i think they didnt do enough research then they started ,then later found out that this bus has no Gostan gear.what to do,deal with it loh.Be the 85% loh.


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chun lah bro skynest,
but at those vide, we many knows what are we looking for now.but dont over confident cause many also have to be take counted

as for kedan players TPE994=DONT WORRY do u know that the wakil rakyat there own self got over 100 bird farm of his own(think u know who its) all are shop house or shop lot n coming 100 more next year all own by 1 person.he come visit me last 2 dasy cause he know i found an locations n offer me some thing lah cannot tell one
so dont worry loh since this guy is so good kawan with our PM.if wanna tear down also have to wait for his 200 to be down first. kekeke.
but sooner or later rumah kedai or pejabat kedai also cannot one lah IN THE TOWN area same teori like issueing licences for u to farm cicken in town area like now many tyre shop,motorbike shop,workshop,spray paint shop,all have to go main jahu jahu from prime area even u have been biz for over 40 years.
right or not??/is only the goverment belum got the wat the call rules set up yet



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wat news???there are no good news coming in future only bad news as i see lah.so better plan for our future before they strike,
me not kedah lah.me east cost here but as i say we nest dealers runs all over MAL,indon,HK n CN like mad man

story=me have many indon chinese boss ah as u know i deal with them ma n had seen many indon farm for nest.farming at indon is like shit.very hard to call swift as many know cause those bird got bosan listening to those calls then after few years only got 15 or 50 pieces of nest at any large building(6th floor)
like indon says"MAL birds" siew one"(gila).Open sound they come rushing in like mad but if at indon "dont dream".there are some places in MAL aready like tat,WHY=over farm.so we seems what will bring in another 5 years time bro,harder n harder.
we use to travel to indon very offent n we are willing to offer some CDs sound for RM3K to 10K but its worth it HERE cause it bring result(dont ask fr it-wont provide loh) but at indon its usless cause its over farm aready.
many MAL farmers are over acted,WHY??

MAL only hold 10% of world supply of bird nest n indon holds 80% of it but many acted like they r the world cause they havent seen indon supplying nest,they count by TON.2nd our MAL labour is conceder high if compare with indon.1 kg of nest if process at MAL needed rm680 but at indon only rm150.only here we lost the compatative of 10% over labour in internatinal market.indon cewek are hard working,they can win over MAL workers by few time by result n the salary is cheaper then us few times.so dont over acted.we still need indon to process our MAL nest
by explaining all this i think MAL farmers or new player can under stand more about this nest biz."its an very complicated n risky biz"say an well know indon boss about this nest biz.
many have to learn even me today also still learning


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Hi Koh Loh, nice meeting you here, thanks for your expert advice. last two week just bought two corner lot double story in Jementah, Segamat. That area i heard the breeding speed is around 100 nest in first one year, in your exprience that area is suitable for me to invest as a newbie ?

segamat is an good spot for farming too but seems many farm there aready.speed are good at start early few years back but i dont think now cause too much farm now,as fr u with shop can try loh,
depend at who is yr see foo n how good he is,dont expect an Con sultant to consult all farm with good result,if he is so good at this then he aready rich with his own farm.any consultant that dont own few farm with few thousand pieces please dont call them self consultant, it will bring others into the 85% bus.
survey must be done first for few time to be sure there is birds around n does yr skill win over guys over there ,if no, can u get others high hands birds tat staying at their farm to stay at yr places??aready had how many farms near by??is there any old farm near by that produce babies fr u??

survey n survey still my word,its an very risky business is u didnt do good rescearch


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tats the truth n the truth is here .there is still many say ""cheong ah"" n some say this is "BODOH" n tat is "BODOH" but does he know what going on the whole market. some may ask why is there 1050 bird farm at that area but only 336 licences issue??tats why lah=the first step,limit it first but many wont listen n think that the town is his papa one.
for assotations they early early has know what is coming in their path,but this is an business.some time we tell u guys to becarful but seem no one is listening.u cannot compare with some guy that own 100s of licences means like some one at malaysia can get thousand of APs to import cars n we intend to stick beside meaby can get few for our own loh,
DEMONSTRATION ""u can but will it work or is there people to join u ,just the goverment will say to u an simple word,=there is way to get licences but many wont n dont expect them to approch in front of u to issue u licences br.
to expensive""another step to prevent the whole town turning into farms.
i,m not complaining at what bro here saying but think deeply,any new town devolope by govermnent will turn into farm at 5 years time ,can this be carry on??me ""NO""me have been into this biz for 8 years n i know what is coming but we had make our moves frist to plan n second fr our future


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swifbuild,
as we all understand whats the teory is,why go disturb the goverment side since they also dont wanted to disturb us at farming.there is many ways to farm peacefuly but many ignore,simply wanted to disturb the autorities,simply wanted them to take action on us.
if we keep quite then many will say we are selfish n this n tat.
""sincerely I don't pity those whose farms kena ROBOH""
i aggree with that,,,,,if not our own to watch our back ,who will??

skynest,
"" This is the problem with chinese ""chinese problem pulak,Do u know there how many malays are in this business here at east cost ??have u seen all the picture yet??do u know how many success bumis farmers here??do u know how many times we had been to majlis for private metings tru the years??do u kow how many times i had met local D.Os here thats ask us to shift our farms to the chinese cemetary area????
why all my gang at selangor area with over 50 farms aready has licences ah??why ah??why ah??the problem is u dont reach out to know whats happening in this line.only to sit back n TCSS(tok cock ,sing song) n complain here wont guide u to any where.tats my advise n no one will help out if u still write this way.

tongserseng,
by yr explain i think yr places still have the potential for it n can call for an ""cheong ah"" if u dare to but 1st please apply for renovations so when goverment steps in we have all papers,applications is for like if u r building up an monkey house for birds to enter or lifting the roof fr well design,the out side must be keep the same as the building is,u can cover up yr windows in "IN SIDE" but not out side like some tat bringing down the window n stuff it with bricks(tak sedap mata tengok lah)spoil the town image.about consultant=i,m not going to say who is good or who is bad,as we see every day many newbies consultant r here to get biz.just use yr sense to guide u loh,as u know if that guy have skilled or good CDs ,r he willing to share with u tat just ask to consult just 1 bird farm>???their aim is those tat drive an new merz n had many shop or willing to invest meaby 5 to 10 farms.do i make it clear here??i think u understand aready,


""I THINK THIS GUY COMPLAIN MUCH""


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ok,
consultant at KTN area is mostly Lee or Sim or A Fatt.are they aiming fr the shop that u r going to sell??second is u r right if 2 shop is to near toghether.nest farming dont need big space only 2 floor if u can stuff it full house u will easy get over 30kg/month but this is not achieve now days,its only for the first generations farmers way back when birds had no places to stay.if yr point of buying those 2 shop only for farming then i advise u to sell off cause 2 shop is to near by but as an investment u can do both if yr financial is OK then after 1 or 2 years if yr consultant is good enough n with result u should know HOW MUCH THOSE SHOP WORTH each no need me to tell u lah then thats the time to sell off 1 to hit n run fast fast.mana satu to sell no need me to tell u lah.
if u r in ned of cash for renovation then u can always sell 1
concrete slab or auto gate is to make yr money
is May Bank or Public Bank strong enough???pun kena jugak
as for expreances we use to hire guard seems till now the best loh,better do more rescreach to many well know places here at east cost only to know more about farming,see how we hire guard to stay at farms,how we plan fr future or meaby visiting my farms over hereto know many more secrect at farming but make sure i,m free loh cause i,m an collecter of raw nest all over mersing till kota bharu
nest farm wont cost much as at my point of view but to call bird to come to hatch n populations increse that the main point.staying at 100pcs or 2oopcs after 3 years wont do any good n u will join the 85% group for sure.
now days speed is the whole game.who come first n win over that area is the main point not flokering into spots tat wear off aready.this game is once invested yr moeny there is no return,jus keep on going weather the spot is right or not or even if u wanted to sell of but result is no good then buyers will say "lu siew ah"
can try to contact me at <ronniekohloh@hotmail.com> to chat live or 013 9012098.



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wats up??/wats up??/
an WALIT KING show up huh....tats the problem with forums,some one nameing him self KING.never mind about what he is saying cause few bro here has visited my factory n farms here.they know what i,m talking here.if some one are looking for story of their past to be posted here i had lots to tell n i belive many whould like to know too

fired by my partner??do i have an partner at what i,m running here??
most picture are not mine???please ask any one that can provide those picture that i posted here,,,please,,,please

as i say i dont consult n tats the last time i will say it only member at forums tat ask question with my expreances i will answer

skynest,u r talking now,we wanted member like this to share their point of view not like post now stabing each others back.whats the point??/i,m not looking for business here.

tongserseng,i think u have many more rescearch to do before u go into this biz,
about my point of view of Consultant they are just business man,trying to sell an starter kit for new nest farmers,it comes with an prices depend what they give u(concrect floor or auto door)after instaling every things n after with few nest ,total bills is the word.nothing more.nest farming needs years of farming expreances even harvesting nest too.consultant had no time to guide u for some years
about birds calling CDs,some guys asked me fr CDs but my point is here.does any one buy an single CDs for RM$3,000,tats the point if lets say we own some of those CDs to call birds will we share it at open market??it will just making the Cd usless if that is done

many players with good result at farming does not wanted to share their expreances is because few years back when their farm was visited by some called consultant then after few days the farm got enter by crooks.tats the main problem n second does not like people to know how much KGs an month they harvest is because of the L**N problem tats for sure.Cina ma.if not they will come asking for some 28% problem right.so dont say we are selfish.

any one intrested to know more about nest processing can always drive to my places here to visit e factory here n will understand more in this biz.

seems enough for this morning lets sees what others had to comment,seems getting hot here,,,



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seems many argue over here,better not.if there is any one that is intrested to know more about who is who as the early players in this line i can always provide the president of "PERSATUAN PEDAGANG SARANG BURUNG MALAYSIA(MALAYSIA BIRD'S NEST MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION) MrLim contact nomber to them i relise the actual conditions now at malaysia farming or some that wanted to know more about gossip between who is who please PM me n i will provide u the contact.E mail also got so no hasitate one.
its an long story about old players in this biz goes way back about 10years back .

any one intrested??just PM me n u will get the contact of the president.even in t every nest assocations has it own story to tell.

about Kedan assocation u can Pm me for the contact cause its an personal nomber so no good lah post here.



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show yr stuff is u r soo good at pointing at people,

RED OR NO RED IS NOT YR PROBLEM it sell like hot cakes.

first u come to stab people n now u wanted to ask questions about red ,golden or what

if u cant make the diffrent bout red nest or white nest then u better sit back n just watch what people got to comment.

"chemically treated stuff?" what an stupit question n does he deserve an stupit answer gang????

OK,here is for the gang to know more about red or golden nest reason.at market there is 2 types of red nest.100% non cemical involve.just an amonia process goes tru like we chinese eat century eggs"pei tan"".why the egg is not broken yet but the egg white inside had turned dark brown color??

1st type of red nest with good standard need an 90days process to get the color in the bird farm even the birds is still staying at the nest.the farm is an old old 40 years farm that the amonia conditions is so high n moisture enough to change the color of the nest(protien) into yellow at the first 30 days then golden after 60 days then red at 90 days.harvest comes to the orders of the market.if i order red then owner will harvest those 90 days nest but if order are golden then 60 days nest.

2nd typr is those low standard one,make by white nest some use shit nest(nest that kena shit ).the process is till the same but only 1 week time.many types of mixture of amonia n some say aji no moto(kekeke) is added into an well the nest at top cover up to get the amonia treatment so that the color change.its very commen at jakarta or surabaya side but as for us nest processer we can easly make the diffrent by the smell.
1 week reds is by using very heavy amonia fume to treat it red at just 1 week but 90 days reds i think its OK.

90 days red only smell a bit of the amonia but for those 1 week reds ,just touching it yr hand will also smell even if u wash it with soap.good or no good for health i dont know cause i just waiting for orders from CN even i offer them white also they say red sells good.biz ma.


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end of this month sorry cause my boss over indonesia is kawin so have to attend dinner but if u guys wanna see indonesian 250 workers at nest processing factory come join me.i will arrange table at the wedding dinner fr u gang but make sure u pay "ANG POW" lah.
mostly nest collected here at MAL is exported to indon for process cause of labour diffrents,many wont understand but that is the truth.as early i say this buisness like working like an cow,run here run there like mad man.
farming at indonesia does not show u much cause they r also suffering there for long time aready as many indon come to see us farm here says "malaysia bird are "siew one"(gila one) means once open sound all come flokering but not at indonesia ,so one havent seen how hard its there dont say its an easy task.
still the same word "go back to farming" cause once harvest u got the 90% of the money aready but even farming there is many tech n expreances must be involve unless u willing to be the 85% gang.

hungry aready ,be back at evening


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time is 29 of this month n wedding dinner at 30 night so the next morning back to KLIA lah.
if got gang can arrange one make sure with head,so i can arrange an table fr u guys loh.
Medan is the distination so if got gang can book now fr air asia sure cheap one.fr me i must go cause its my business partner n we have biz to talk to.visiting medan has it good cause i will show u aroung where to get CDs fr yr own bird farm so no need to ask me fr CDs loh,and when night comes sure happy hour loh,Medan is seems like my second home cause i got biz running there n many top ranking nest processer also from medan even the king of nest farm also from sumatera with over 300 farms.i know him but sadly he dont know me

gangs at Medan are proudly to met us malaysia farmers cause we can exchange expreances ma n they are intrested at our nest

fr kelvin ,sudah lah.dont be so up set about this knds of stuff,,,,as i explain much at my PM to u ma we even worst inside the snake dent.

up to u guys lah,,


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u just dare to write some things here but better get others to proof what i,m doing here n i know few of members here that had visited my factory here please post to get things clear.

any one can visit my farm here but the word "The fella does not have a birdfarm" can come out from u is because u dont know where is my farm is u nuts.the problem is when my fram is know by umeaby later that night some one will show up at the farms,

as i say i,m not selling any thing here,m i going to con any one here??few members here that had visit my factory here bout 2 weeks back please post to this self called "KING" then he will know what he is saying.

by not wasting time or arguing here ,any member tats are intrested at the whole story can PM me for the whloe detail ,then we know whos is whos.

thinks this picture seems suite best for this name self "KING"

This post has been edited by kohloh: Nov 2 2007, 02:16 PM


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wah sky,
so long ah yr post,any way the best way is to look at succesful farm before u make any move as for future n for $$$ saving.
fr me no problem u guys come to visit n i,ll explain how farming works tat i think its simple then u guys judge loh
i think its enough fr today loh
any thing just pm me so later tomorow i,ll try answering it




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sorry guys
just came back fom over sea.
talk tomorw



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Tirok,jangan hari hari gi ambil gambar gedung orang lain & post kat sini,bahaya ni,banyak yg belaku skrg kamu orang tak tahu.nanti problems comes up the menyesal
banyak segi yg serdang meniti kegiatan kita skrg



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as i say many things happend but u guys didnt know,last month 3 over seas buyers got sizes fr bring out 150kg of raw nest and all had been SITA", but some KT proud guys are still bringing them to walk aroung town to buy nest from farmers,does they know about the actual rules??
how many licesnces do we need to farm,sell,buy nest n export them,i belive no one frm this forum knows too
any know that KTN guide line has come out fr applying licences but it will take effect just after election="NO MORE SOUND AT TOWN AREA"u guys happy with this result??we see about it just after election yah!!!
tat why i say there are many things going aroung even our TTSai knows nothing much.
does any one know tat now on even fr farmers who sell nest to collecter must submit an report that will goes to the tax department
tat is just some of the problem matural nest farmers are facing now
dont act smart n manke things worst