hahaha...good answer from westwing...i will tell him this....hahaha....
i think he will be standing there looking at me mouth showing an 'O'.....hehehehe
anyway, as for me, the way i count would be like what samgan said, 1 BH mean 1 BH no matter how many floor ur BH have...

Good quote West wing!

I always believe in quality rather than quantity. no point of having a big Bh and it has few nests.

I have also seen bh that has many birds stay in it, but there only few nests. That mean not all birds are making nests. Some bh have few hundred of birds n the nest in the farm are plenty. It show quality as almost all couple or pairs of birds stay in that farm are breeding.
This will increase the popultion fast.

Besides that quality of nest also important, some farms produce many nests but in term of kg yield is lower than some that produce fewer nests. eg; 70-80 nests = 1kg others 120-140 nests= 1kg.

So having 10 bh that the total havest is only 3 kg is not good compare to a single farms that could harvest 10kg.

So imaterial sizes of farms, how many farms you own,etc. the most important is quality.

Hi all sifus here, I am new and I have check out this website www.pearlnest.com, the package offered in this itinery is very impressive, i just want to know if the price charge is what normally charge by consultants. Just want to make sure before i call the company.

For everyone's info i have included the package here, many thanks again.

"With only RM 23,800 you can now

A security device or CCTV and
infra red will be installed to monitor unwanted intruder such as the burglar and other predator.

Our package are listed below:-

Cd external and internal
High power amplifier
Good quality 10 external Tweeter
40 internal tweeter
Humidifier
special water pump
Hygrometer
3CTV & 1 Infra red
corner board with treated medicine
Meranti wood ( 2 ton)
Cable and wire
Artificial Bird Nest
Pearlnest Special Or dour
Pearlnest Special Hormone
Pest control
Bird Dropping
Troubleshooting for one year
24 times visit to farm
This package only apply to intermediate shoplot with a size of not more then
1600 sqfeet.

Terms and conditions apply.

BONUS FOR FIRST 10 CUSTOMER ONLY

Why choose us?

We provide 24 hours security system
24 hours on call to repay or change your audio player
Medicine are been supply through out the year
Bird survey are done weekly
We guranttee your farm will be sucessful or your money back.
We buy your bird nest with a current market price
No gimmicks and all transaction are cash
We provide quality sound system"

Swiftlet Lim, are you very busy? Or just plain lazy? Have you read through the old posts in here? Go ask around the "name" you mentioned smell so "nice" in the industry. That's a TC company runs by a multiple identities always give empty promises people. Period.
Am I spoiling the company name? If what I've mentioned are all the truth and nothing but the truth? Do I need to call the TC feller to 1 on 1 on the phone while I can make my statement here facing 200-300 viewers per day here. If I'm making false statements here I'm sure a lot of people here will screw me already. Why don't they? Many among them know the truth.


p/s TC = Talk Cock

This post has been edited by BSLEE79: Jul 20 2008, 11:41 AM

Another victim bite the dust. Just like the China girls calls about winning tens of thousands cash lah. Until recently still got people kena. Well, if I'm telling people to ignore those China girl calls am I ruining their "business" Point out which statement I've made is false. I'm telling based on facts, evidence and victims statements.

This post has been edited by BSLEE79: Jul 20 2008, 12:05 PM

Attn. Mr. West Wing,

On May 25 2008, someone promised will go visit you in a week or two. Can you confirmed that he fulfilled the promise? Or just another of his postponed promises.

Hi Swiftlet Lim,

Are you really new in this Swiftlet industry. I hope you are and only if you are that I shall try to answer your question as my name was mentioned.

The price quoted is really very cheap and impressive is not the right word to use here. The only problem here is that in all circumstances, when things are cheap, you need to be double careful and double check all the way and make sure that full packages are been provided. Again, the package is cheap if all are provided.

All I can say it, be careful and if all are provided, this is a very good buy but then make sure, very sure that you are not taken for a ride. Although, I may have some unsolved problems with the guy as BSLee wish to mention here in this forum. Hopeful, all will all be OK when I meet up with him as he has phone me up over the matter. Surely, I will inform you all on the outcome later.

As I mentioned before, this is a forum for BH ranching and that to inform others of problems faced by you or cheated by someone are appreciated but then never to kill one over the forum. We complain so that the person take note and make remedy for improvement and also not to repeat the mistake. Give other to correct oneself is a good deed.

My good friends @ Forum, "Orang mau cari makan" bagi muka sedikit lah. so let begone be bygone and if problems persist again by any consultant or BH contractor or any BH shop, we welcome it to be mention and to report in this forum so that we all be extra careful when dealing with them. Remember, we are all friends @Lowyat(Swiftlet). So, also remember to buy from friends at this forum, too but I am not selling anything.

Just like just last week, I bought some liquid perfume for my friend but if if it is not worth a sen, then I will bring it our in the forum as I don't want other to waste money and it doesn't come cheap. and and if' it is good, you all will also know about it.




Calvin Lee

After reading the above good offer,my heart and soul really moved. But,there is a few doubts that make me feel puzzled.


1) RM23,800 for 1,600 sf ? Average area of one floor is 20'x60',20'x70' or 20'x80'.So,RM23,800 is for only one floor. Nowadays,do you think that a serious investor would do only one floor?

2) 24 hours security system? Do you think that buglars would visit a new BH of less than a year old?

3) Pest control? Why do we need that for a new BH?

4) Bird dropping? Dont tell me that this consultant still resolves to the spankling of bird droppings to attract birds?

5) 24 times visit to farm in a year,i.e. once in 2 weeks. Plus bird survey done weekly for one year or till the BH is successful? Do you think it is practical or realistic? Or unless they set up a branch office next to my new BH.

6) Guarantee of farm success or money back and no GIMMICKS and all transactions are in cash?
Why not this way,I would prefer to POST PAY RM 50,000 that I dont bother how this consultant is going to use and do on my BH,and he can keep the keys,just as long as there is no less than 50 genuine nests in one year. I am prepared to enter into any agreement with a bank guarantee to GUARANTEE payment. I think this should be a WIN-WIN for both parties. Well,any taker?

to me 1 entrance hole consider a bh regarding the net it difficult to set up because u will catch the swift also

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Added on July 21, 2008, 10:38 amwah faster ask them to proceed. the material cost more than the value alidy. latter do the modification.

This post has been edited by xunji: Jul 21 2008, 10:38 AM

Got a new BH converted from 3 shoplots 1 floor. Each lot 2 entrances front and back. Total 6 entrances. All 3 lots are combined internally. So is that calculated as 6 BHs to you?

How do you calculate the cost of material cost exceed the value? The package does not mention about workmanship so I assume it's not included.

This post has been edited by seeseng: Jul 21 2008, 12:14 PM

IT DOESN'T HOW MANY HOLES OR BLOCK OR STOREY, MOST IMPORTANT IS HOW MANY KGS PER MONTH.

YOU CAN HAVE 20 BH , BUT OTHERS MAY HAVE 1 ONLY. IF HIS 1 BH CAN HARVEST 15KG/MONTH & YOURS TOTAL IS ON 3KGS THEN .....

shouting of many bh is useless.

emm true true.

so all the sifus here got how many kgs/month?

Begging your pardon, please check my past postings cos I was very lucky then and I am still lucky now and hopefully lucky in the future but the future are for us to see.

I am not Sifu but like to share my 'x'periance with swiftlet lovers everywhere and hopefully, to learn a trick or two with new methods and scientific approache toward BH ranching.

May all of us share wealth from the sky.

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Added on July 21, 2008, 2:33 pmConsultants.................calling all consultants,

Lucas 1 is paying for 50K for 50 nests in one year and that he can't be bother with what you do.

My humble opinions are that,

1. Someone may take the risk if the location is good and that just a thin sheet of nest is consider one.
2. The clock start when all have been done well.
3. The spending in total will not exceed 20K for 2 floors if you do like I did, making a profit of over 30K.

The above is my own opinion only for I am not consultant but only build my own BHs. So, what say you, the Sifus and Consultants.

And Lucas, Bird Shits or modified version are still very useful in new BH, ask your Sifu about it.

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Added on July 21, 2008, 9:09 pmwow, I just read in WOSG site the most exiting way to cool one's roof and it's so environment friendly, too. It's about Roof Garden. What's a nice and cool way to keep your roof green and beautiful. I will make my next BH roof into Roof Garden and every evening watching my swiftlets fly up and down, in and out of my BH. How wonderful and watching all these in my own garden on the roof top. Put one or two humidifiers up there, wines/tea and bird music, that's paradise, my friends.

I may even venture into this buz and I believe it has potential. It help to cool building without using electricity, enviroment friendly, beautified the town, no wastage and maybe some flowers for my wife.

Maybe, I will get Government's funding in this project, any suggestion?

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jul 21 2008, 09:09 PM

Hi Kelvin Heng,

Still not receive your product!
Please send to me asap..................


Regards


Tang

can i know what does "CS" mean??
any1 can teach me??

No victory in the battle or war ever turned on luck or chance. Military victories were born out of the skilled execution of careful planning. Our sure victories in BH come about in the same manner. Others have tried to justify their failures by blaming them on the hand of cards that life dealt them. It’s not luck that brings the huge jet airliner in to the appointed airport, on schedule.
Life is not a game of chance. We were created to control affairs, not to be controlled by them.

aiks, i dun meant to be asking in a insulting or probing manner. my bad.

just plain curiosity when i'm asking forumers here how much are they producing per kg. emm..think again, it might be a sensitive issue so i better take back my question.

pai seh eh...

OPPS.....I ALREADY SENT THE CD LAST WEEK....WHEN RECEIVED ....PLEASE POST HERE....AND HE JUST WANT TO DOWNLOAD MY BOOK....I WAS AWAY MAH...

BS LEE 79, U ARE CONSULTANT OR WAHT?

MY POST OF RM 23,800........ARE GENIUNE.....WANT ME TO GIVE YOU ALL SUCESSFUL TELEPHONE NO>? WAH LAU...CAN, EVEN FIT INTO THIS LAH....SO WHAT YOU ARE DOING HERE IS SABOTAJ...WHY NOT GIVE ME A CALL

016-3063 619........ CALL ANd MAKE APPOITMENT... I DARE YOU ......BUT WILL YOU SHOW UP!!!!????

Again as i said...this forum for reading and learning.. i do not have time posting here. just to defence myself.



bye

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Added on July 22, 2008, 12:02 pmOk will do .thanks

kelvin

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Added on July 22, 2008, 12:11 pm1) 20 x 70
2) use cctv lah
3)If you do not protect your bird hse.........with pest at first ....then you only protect when got sarang?....i think you have to read or maybe let me explain....in person
4) u dont spank it...brother......you know it work or not?
5) do you think i am playing a fool with this.....do you know how many time i visit my customer????? welll.......want the list fo rmy visit???
6)Look for all the famous consultant and let the forum know you fine one,,,,,

i think you are totally blur about this industries...

call me please...thank you...or you want me to call you .

kelvin heng

This post has been edited by KELVINHENG: Jul 22 2008, 12:11 PM

Sorry,Kelvin,I didint mean to insult u or any other consultant.I must admit that I was blur as I didnt know whose package offer it was from. I only spoke out what I felt that seemed not logic and clear in that 'ADVERTISEMENT'.I dont know who is goldennest,whitenest,supernest etc.Neither do I know who is who.Now only I realise that u are pearlnest and pearlnest is u.No hard feeling ,pl.

Nevertheless,my offer still stands and open to anybody or any'nest' who can help me to do up another new BH without me having to go through all the hustles personally.Of course,it is subjected to further details in agreement to avoid misunderstanding and its going to be POST- PAID.

I think u are right that I am still quite blur in this industry despites I already own a number of BHs.Some are already many yrs and some are new.Some are doing well and some are not that well. Many methods were used including the spankling of birdshit,ammonia and the so called aroma from EKA.From my personal experiences,my fastest in bird staying in and building of nests BHs are those not using the above formula. 4 yrs ago,I started blasting off the invitation music on 4 separate units of new BHs with same design in the same Taman on the same day.All with same music.2 with above mentioned ingredients added.2 were 'kosong' and so cleaned that I could roll on the floor without dirtying myself. After 2 months,I found a few nest bases started on the 2 'kosong' BHs whereas the other 2 with ingredients added took more than 5 months b4 I saw a couple of bases. So,If you were to ask me,I could only scratch my head.

I ever applied 'HORMONE' and the aroma purchased from the famous N*** T*** on those not so well BHs and after 6 months yet no improvement.Whereas for those already doing well,I did nothing,they keep on doubling up. So,u see,I am at a loss.How I wish that someone could come out with a good explaination and if possible,a conrete and proven solution or method to share and enlighten all of us. I do not mind in rewarding reasonably to those who are prepared to share their proven findings with me. I do appreciate and I think it is fair to compensate their time and effort.

explanation is that birds fly they wanted to go. hehe. j/k.

btw, lucas1, u might wanna try james new powerful potion. looks great.

hope to have a chance to try it soon.