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TSjayraptor
post Aug 9 2017, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Aug 8 2017, 11:42 PM)
My Elantra Sport and the rest stock Elantra Sport in the world boost 10 - 13psi = no more than 0.9 bar. The car also run K03 twinscroll turbo from BorgWarner.

Your Elantra Sport boost 1.5 bar until 5000rpm and use VGT. You sure stock or you make the crap out of air?

You sure brand new ah? Your ego to win until twisting everywhere or you don't know anything about Elantra Sport?

Go ahead to edit your old post and say you never said Elantra Sport boost 1.5 bar and has VGT. C'mon edit your old post and call me liar. I'm waiting bro.

So Civic 1.5T use what turbo is a secret? Hahaha, it is all over internet. First day it launch people already doing tear down. Your friend never tell you ke? Yeah crazy American. Or they are all unverified source.
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I stated clearly twinscroll and VGT both able to assist from lower rpm unlike primitive turbo. If Elantra sport has twinscroll, you want to say its effective turbo assist doesn't start from 1500rpm? Lots of people love to round up 0.9 as 1.0 on the gauge reading, is there a problem rounded up to 1.0 when you're such type of person? Those Japanese marketing guys get to do anything they like and tweaked the car and got the reading i've posted, they do as they wish. So why you so butthurt when they can do things that you cannot do?

A turbocharger is rated based on category and also it's technology on how low rpm can it starts to assist eliminating lag and also how well can the turbo gradually increase boost. Like the primitive old turbo vs twinscroll/VGT reading, you can clearly see the newer more advanced VGT could assist early and get more boost sooner. Whereas the primitive turbo, the gap to increase boost is way bigger and crappier.

If BMW power turbo that combines small and large turbo, the boost is even more silky smooth when revving from idle gradually all the way to high. This is called technology and it's not just the boost gauge that counts. It is how effective the air and fuel burns in combustion chamber that create the strongest bang which is main factor.

Crap turbo and engine tech from Kenny could get 1.0 from small turbo and even 1.5 from large turbo, maybe hell tweak to 2.0 too but end up burning away his entire 52L fuel in tank in just short drive yet inefficient to create similar torque as the proper turbocharged car say the new Civic 2.0T type R.

Is there a problem if I chose not to share details of Civic turbo? I leave this part to Honda marketing, they are winning. Your Elantra Sport, if you really bought 1, your choice and chances are, you'll be just like the rare Veloster turbo and Koup turbo. I could easily bring up the Korean brand but after seeing how they treat my buddies, i'll just back off.
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post Aug 9 2017, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Aug 9 2017, 06:58 AM)
True. I genuinely believe this. No wonder UMW Toyota and Nissan are acting like Hyundai/Kia - new car launches with stripped features. Cut cost even on cup holders. When sales bad then retro fit the features one-by-one. Honda also starting to follow the korean by -2 airbags on latest hybrid launches as well as lousy SC response.
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Talking about Malaysia sales only, German cars gave us 1 airbag first, then 2 and later 6-8. Same case with Japanese and Koreans. Local is local, there are always lower buying power customers that prefer just 2 airbags. If you failed to understand local demand, then you're surely failed if you're with product planning or marketing like Koreans and Nissan.
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post Aug 10 2017, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Aug 9 2017, 11:36 PM)
I stated clearly twinscroll and VGT both able to assist from lower rpm unlike primitive turbo. If Elantra sport has twinscroll, you want to say its effective turbo assist doesn't start from 1500rpm? Lots of people love to round up 0.9 as 1.0 on the gauge reading, is there a problem rounded up to 1.0 when you're such type of person? Those Japanese marketing guys get to do anything they like and tweaked the car and got the reading i've posted, they do as they wish. So why you so butthurt when they can do things that you cannot do?

A turbocharger is rated based on category and also it's technology on how low rpm can it starts to assist eliminating lag and also how well can the turbo gradually increase boost. Like the primitive old turbo vs twinscroll/VGT reading, you can clearly see the newer more advanced VGT could assist early and get more boost sooner. Whereas the primitive turbo, the gap to increase boost is way bigger and crappier.

If BMW power turbo that combines small and large turbo, the boost is even more silky smooth when revving from idle gradually all the way to high. This is called technology and it's not just the boost gauge that counts. It is how effective the air and fuel burns in combustion chamber that create the strongest bang which is main factor.

Crap turbo and engine tech from Kenny could get 1.0 from small turbo and even 1.5 from large turbo, maybe hell tweak to 2.0 too but end up burning away his entire 52L fuel in tank in just short drive yet inefficient to create similar torque as the proper turbocharged car say the new Civic 2.0T type R.

Is there a problem if I chose not to share details of Civic turbo? I leave this part to Honda marketing, they are winning. Your Elantra Sport, if you really bought 1, your choice and chances are, you'll be just like the rare Veloster turbo and Koup turbo. I could easily bring up the Korean brand but after seeing how they treat my buddies, i'll just back off.
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1) Not if. It is twinscroll bro.
2) Bro bro bro, ok lah let you round up to 1.0 no problem bro, sorry ya. But but but you jumped to 1.5 lel, you forgot already?
1.6L boost 1 bar -> 3.2L already. 1.6L boost 1.5 bar -> 4L already.
Please don't round up to 2 bar, 4.8L engine can tahan or not?
3) I really butthurt, damn envy loh. Tweak a bit also can get 1.5 bar boost + VGT. You teach me lah. Wei post picture for me to envy lel... drooling man, this could be fastest Elantra Sport in whole Asia.

Share please, how to tweak twinscroll into VGT?
Share please, how to tweak twinscroll into VGT?
Share please, how to tweak twinscroll into VGT?
Share please, how to tweak twinscroll into VGT?
Share please, how to tweak twinscroll into VGT?

Man really envy, your friend Elantra Sport damn geng jayraptor
show picture!
show picture!
show picture!
show picture!
You my idol now!!!

For exchange, I can post my stock Elantra Sport, stock Elantra Sport, stock Elantra Sport. Maybe not interesting for you lah, stock car easy nothing special.

Wei wei wei jayraptor
show picture, how to tweak 1.5 bar boost?
show picture, how to tweak 1.5 bar boost?
show picture, how to tweak 1.5 bar boost?
show picture, how to tweak 1.5 bar boost?
show picture, how to tweak 1.5 bar boost?

share picture, turbo gauge 1.5 bar boost.
share picture, turbo gauge 1.5 bar boost.
share picture, turbo gauge 1.5 bar boost.
share picture, turbo gauge 1.5 bar boost.
share picture, turbo gauge 1.5 bar boost.

share picture, dyno how many horse power with your 1.5 bar tweak?
share picture, dyno how many horse power with your 1.5 bar tweak?
share picture, dyno how many horse power with your 1.5 bar tweak?
share picture, dyno how many horse power with your 1.5 bar tweak?
share picture, dyno how many horse power with your 1.5 bar tweak?
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post Aug 10 2017, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Aug 9 2017, 11:02 PM)
Do I look like I own Fiesta 1.0T Ecoboost? It's a car that I won't buy because it failed practicality.

output 123hp@6000rpm
Torque 170Nm@1,400-4,500rpm

You look at its torque, only twinscroll or VGT type turbocharger could kicks in from 1400rpm. A primitive turbo like what Kenny's selling can never do below 2000rpm.

You putar-belit yet wanted to say others putar. I'm still sticking to facts talk so far. If all my comments are wrong, you would have attacked each and every of them. Even the earlier fairy tale comments turned out to be facts when I completed the sentence.
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When have I mentioned you own a Fiesta?

You see, I posted that link not just for you to see, but for everyone else to see the kind of quack you are.

Here's the link again

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/ford-eco...ined-56142.html

And here's a quote from the article, highlighted important parts in case your english fails you.

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The 1.6-liter EcoBoost actually displaces 1.597cc. It usually makes 150 PS thanks to direct injection and a Borg Warner KP39 low inertia turbo, cast iron with 47mm-diameter crankpins, eight counterweights, five 52mm-diameter main bearings and damped front pulley and seven-hole high pressure injectors from Bosh. It makes 160 PS and 270 Nm at 1,600rpm for the 2010-present Mondeo and S-MAX.


Now you only need to answer one question. The Borgwarner KP39, is it a twinscroll / VGT turbo?

This post has been edited by dares: Aug 10 2017, 02:27 AM
constant_weight
post Aug 10 2017, 12:20 AM

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#kedekut!

#Not_friendly!

#don_want_to_share

#show_picture_engine_bay

#show_picture_1.5_bar_boost_gauge

#Like_this_also_don_want_share!

#I_want_1.5_bar_boost_also!

#I_want_VGT_in_my_Elantra_Sport_also!

#sharing_is_caring

#knows_nothing

This post has been edited by constant_weight: Aug 10 2017, 12:30 AM
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post Aug 10 2017, 06:29 AM

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Jay knows nothing geh..

He will twist n blame as usual..

He later will tell u.. He simply and call low inertia turbo he simplify and call it vgt coz he worry bodoh ppl don't understand. He doesn't mean its the real vgt..

Not only does he does not own a fiesta ecoboost.. He does not own any car he talk about.. And he have no evidence to back him up.. Its juz pure twisting n blaming to win an arguement.. Oh ya.. U can says whatever u want on me.. Primitive turbo mod... Not fuel efficient.. All no problem geh.. Again.. We want show ur bodohness... Fire me is fine.. Lol
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post Aug 10 2017, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Aug 8 2017, 11:42 PM)
My Elantra Sport and the rest stock Elantra Sport in the world boost 10 - 13psi = no more than 0.9 bar. The car also run K03 twinscroll turbo from BorgWarner.

Your Elantra Sport boost 1.5 bar until 5000rpm and use VGT. You sure stock or you make the crap out of air?

You sure brand new ah? Your ego to win until twisting everywhere or you don't know anything about Elantra Sport?

Go ahead to edit your old post and say you never said Elantra Sport boost 1.5 bar and has VGT. C'mon edit your old post and call me liar. I'm waiting bro.

So Civic 1.5T use what turbo is a secret? Hahaha, it is all over internet. First day it launch people already doing tear down. Your friend never tell you ke? Yeah crazy American. Or they are all unverified source.
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I wasn't aware that the k03 borgwarner unit was a twin scroll in the Elantra Sport. The K03 unit powering a mk6 GTI was a single scroll, as is the latest mk7 GTI (using an IS28). Many different flavors of K03 variants I guess.
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post Aug 10 2017, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 10 2017, 07:59 AM)
I wasn't aware that the k03 borgwarner unit was a twin scroll in the Elantra Sport. The K03 unit powering a mk6 GTI was a single scroll, as is the latest mk7 GTI (using an IS28). Many different flavors of K03 variants I guess.
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Yes you are right. This K03 has exhaust manifold and turbocharger in single housing specifically designed for the 1.6 T-GDI.

Our Dr Jay call anything not twinscroll/VGT primitive. Walau eh, GTI primitive ke?

Press release
https://www.borgwarner.com/en/news-media/pr...urbo-gdi-engine

One Audi owner wrote in to BornWarner about K03. Not exactly related to our discussion but very good knowledge for myself.
http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/the-f...k03-turbo.5970/



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post Aug 10 2017, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Aug 10 2017, 12:03 AM)
1) Not if. It is twinscroll bro.
2) Bro bro bro, ok lah let you round up to 1.0 no problem bro, sorry ya. But but but you jumped to 1.5 lel, you forgot already?
1.6L boost 1 bar -> 3.2L already. 1.6L boost 1.5 bar -> 4L already.
Please don't round up to 2 bar, 4.8L engine can tahan or not?
3) I really butthurt, damn envy loh. Tweak a bit also can get 1.5 bar boost + VGT. You teach me lah. Wei post picture for me to envy lel... drooling man, this could be fastest Elantra Sport in whole Asia.

Share please, how to tweak twinscroll into VGT?
Share please, how to tweak twinscroll into VGT?
Share please, how to tweak twinscroll into VGT?
Share please, how to tweak twinscroll into VGT?
Share please, how to tweak twinscroll into VGT?

Man really envy, your friend Elantra Sport damn geng jayraptor
show picture!
show picture!
show picture!
show picture!
You my idol now!!!

For exchange, I can post my stock Elantra Sport, stock Elantra Sport, stock Elantra Sport. Maybe not interesting for you lah, stock car easy nothing special.

Wei wei wei jayraptor
show picture, how to tweak 1.5 bar boost?
show picture, how to tweak 1.5 bar boost?
show picture, how to tweak 1.5 bar boost?
show picture, how to tweak 1.5 bar boost?
show picture, how to tweak 1.5 bar boost?

share picture, turbo gauge 1.5 bar boost.
share picture, turbo gauge 1.5 bar boost.
share picture, turbo gauge 1.5 bar boost.
share picture, turbo gauge 1.5 bar boost.
share picture, turbo gauge 1.5 bar boost.

share picture, dyno how many horse power with your 1.5 bar tweak?
share picture, dyno how many horse power with your 1.5 bar tweak?
share picture, dyno how many horse power with your 1.5 bar tweak?
share picture, dyno how many horse power with your 1.5 bar tweak?
share picture, dyno how many horse power with your 1.5 bar tweak?
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eh bro ... normally hor .. when ppl round up is to easier write/read..
so .. if im typing 0.9 .. or 1.0 ... to me still 3 digit .... unless its 1 ... whistling.gif
his twisting very "min keong" .. lolz
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post Aug 10 2017, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Aug 9 2017, 11:02 PM)
Do I look like I own Fiesta 1.0T Ecoboost? It's a car that I won't buy because it failed practicality.

output 123hp@6000rpm
Torque 170Nm@1,400-4,500rpm

You look at its torque, only twinscroll or VGT type turbocharger could kicks in from 1400rpm. A primitive turbo like what Kenny's selling can never do below 2000rpm.

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Yes, you don't own the fiesta, you currently own the mazda3 skyactiv.

And for the record, sampai skrang lu pun tak baca sejarah, VGT type for petrol cars are really a handful of models only. And for the record, Kenny don't own a turbocharged car, and he could swop you off if you want to race despite your car having more power than his ride.

QUOTE(jayraptor @ Aug 9 2017, 11:36 PM)
I stated clearly twinscroll and VGT both able to assist from lower rpm unlike primitive turbo. If Elantra sport has twinscroll, you want to say its effective turbo assist doesn't start from 1500rpm? Lots of people love to round up 0.9 as 1.0 on the gauge reading, is there a problem rounded up to 1.0 when you're such type of person? Those Japanese marketing guys get to do anything they like and tweaked the car and got the reading i've posted, they do as they wish. So why you so butthurt when they can do things that you cannot do?

A turbocharger is rated based on category and also it's technology on how low rpm can it starts to assist eliminating lag and also how well can the turbo gradually increase boost. Like the primitive old turbo vs twinscroll/VGT reading, you can clearly see the newer more advanced VGT could assist early and get more boost sooner. Whereas the primitive turbo, the gap to increase boost is way bigger and crappier.

If BMW power turbo that combines small and large turbo, the boost is even more silky smooth when revving from idle gradually all the way to high. This is called technology and it's not just the boost gauge that counts. It is how effective the air and fuel burns in combustion chamber that create the strongest bang which is main factor.

I could easily bring up the Korean brand but after seeing how they treat my buddies, i'll just back off.
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Any sane engineer/technical person will never roundup bar numbers, psi maybe. Why? Go reflect on your own.

For others to understand, turbocharger selection is based on the exhaust pressure given at the rpm range of an engine, not merely just on the rpm meter on the car's dash. Some car can do without twinscroll even at low rpm. Each engine's exhaust header design has different flow/pressure rates, so exact same turbocharger model will derive the max torque range at different rpm range on different engines. The rpm numbers we see in the brochure is just a reference for our layman understanding; not really on car engineering like how uncle j has memperendahkan the engineers.

Can't even understand simple dyno chart, how the hell can understand more complicated turbocharger compressor map. And no sane engineer will round up bar numbers, psi maybe.

And BMW has backed out on sequential turbocharging now, the current twin turbocharged engine lines are using 2 same exact models. Left only x25d models have sequential turbocharging.

Oh wow, damn pro marketing by your gangs; but merely claiming the credits done by HQ/regional team...remember what you mentioned before, an excerpt from the past :
QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 14 2013, 04:30 PM)
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Marketing job, the Japanese already done more than enough. Local Marketing crap that don't even know what is car, get all the credits. People buy the car because of having people to maintain and keep the car running. Not because of the sellman or the marketing staff.

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In case say i any how edit, put words in people's mouth/tornado talk/putar belit puting beliung/apom balik the statements, here is the link to the post :
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry61730124

constant_weight see the sig on dares, he langsung tak faham air charging plumbing, you expect him to give you a proper answer with any sort of real evidence? He will say he has access to it, but totally useless as he don't understand. If you observe the bullshit long enough, a lot of "stuffs" are from his buddies. Even the computer nonsense talk he wrote on computer related section also likewise.
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post Aug 10 2017, 10:04 AM

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post Aug 10 2017, 10:29 AM

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Guys can get back to this car? optima K5 turbo at or nay? Really love it... After I see the actual unit in showroom I really wanted to bring it home..

PS: how can we request for a ban towards Jay? OR can we have thread starter remove all his comment? no point debating with him.. He will just drag us all down to his level.
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post Aug 10 2017, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Aug 10 2017, 10:29 AM)
Guys can get back to this car? optima K5 turbo at or nay? Really love it... After I see the actual unit in showroom I really wanted to bring it home..

PS: how can we request for a ban towards Jay? OR can we have thread starter remove all his comment? no point debating with him.. He will just drag us all down to his level.
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There is 1 forumer already got his car few days back, maybe he can give some review. Check the K5 thread
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post Aug 10 2017, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Aug 10 2017, 10:29 AM)
Guys can get back to this car? optima K5 turbo at or nay? Really love it... After I see the actual unit in showroom I really wanted to bring it home..

PS: how can we request for a ban towards Jay? OR can we have thread starter remove all his comment? no point debating with him.. He will just drag us all down to his level.
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He is the thread starter. He have couple threads about Korean cars to lure people in to hear his nonsense marketing brainwash. That's the fun part.

If you look for serious owners discussion, head over to K5 club.
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Aug 10 2017, 11:29 AM)
PS: how can we request for a ban towards Jay? OR can we have thread starter remove all his comment? no point debating with him.. He will just drag us all down to his level.
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nah.. no need to ban him. it's quite entertaining actually. i read before bedtime for my fairy tale dream.
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Just replying to this thread to say that I've been enjoying my popcorn reading all the replies.

Keep it going! Love the entertainment!
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Aug 10 2017, 10:29 AM)
Guys can get back to this car? optima K5 turbo at or nay? Really love it... After I see the actual unit in showroom I really wanted to bring it home..

PS: how can we request for a ban towards Jay? OR can we have thread starter remove all his comment? no point debating with him.. He will just drag us all down to his level.
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This is the best avenue to showcase his almost 40 years of "insider knowledge". Nanti he slap face say that you infringe his freedom of speech/human rights?
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post Aug 10 2017, 01:28 PM

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Correct me if I'm wrong VGT is mostly applied on Diesel engine as diesel engines have a very narrow powerband or usable rev range so a VGT is to improve and give the diesel engine a wider usable powerband.

Dr.Jay Please try to learn how to accept other people's opinion and comments or try to listen to what people have to say and not always thinking people try to belittle you. Not everything you say is 100% correct right? I mean we are not god, we just human.
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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Aug 10 2017, 08:07 AM)
Yes you are right. This K03 has exhaust manifold and turbocharger in single housing specifically designed for the 1.6 T-GDI.

Our Dr Jay call anything not twinscroll/VGT primitive. Walau eh, GTI primitive ke?

Press release
https://www.borgwarner.com/en/news-media/pr...urbo-gdi-engine

One Audi owner wrote in to BornWarner about K03. Not exactly related to our discussion but very good knowledge for myself.
http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/the-f...k03-turbo.5970/

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It is more or less relevant. Based on the discussion, can assume that the model they are using for the Elantra is likely to be one of the models in those series or something newer. I won't be surprised if it's the same mk6 GTI turbocharger unit. If there's a k04 upgrade option for the Elantra then that's 300hp looking right back at you.

The integrated exhaust manifold is probably designed by BorgWarner as these has been done for some time on earlier and current VW/Audi models.

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