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 Kia Optima GT 2017 at rm179k

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zweimmk
post Aug 7 2017, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(kluseng @ Jun 26 2017, 03:22 PM)
If your only criteria is fun to drive than of course Passat but the overall ownership experience must take into account maintenance. A Passat is more expensive and troublesome to maintain as DSG, mechatronic, coil packs and adaptive dampers are high failure items. Do you have alternative transport if your car lands in the workshop for weeks?

I'm not saying an Optima is cheap to maintain but it shouldn't be too different from a D-segment Jap car. Any Optima/Sonata owners can give their input?
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Taking the 2.0 as the benchmark against the GT then -

1. Gearbox failure rate is extremely rare - which is why the mk6 GTI and the mk7 GTI still retains its value much better than the rest of the 7 speeders.

2. coil packs - wear and tear - It was good for at least 60k miles for me (stock). I think it would have still gone on working for another 10k or more had I not decided to change to red packs. Mixed results for some people, suspect the stock coil pack wears a lot faster for people who are extremely aggressive or extremely passive with their cars, which sounds weird but is true.

3. Adaptive dampers - Haven't heard of any failure but as wear and tear, things start to need replacing after a certain mileage (as with any car). A friend has told me a car's absorbers actually should be replaced around the 60,000km mileage.

4. Resale value - Will not be as good as the Japanese but unlike the rest of the 7 speeders, the 2.0 Passat should have the same kind of value retention like the mk6 and mk7 GTI as it does not suffer the same kind of problem like the 7 speeder models. Take a look at Mudah for the prices of a 2nd hand mk7 GTI to give yourself some idea how well the 2.0 Passat will sell after a few years down the road.

Conti parts start having issues with wear and tear around the 100,000km mileage. This is when things starts to get expensive. Engine mounting, lower arm bearings, speed sensors, engine manifolds, absorbers and absorber mounting, engine seals and brake disc needs to be replaced around this time. Once this is done, the car should be good for another 100,000km.

Issue about parts availability - AFAIK, engine parts are readily available as they share the same identical parts with the mk7 GTI. This applies to almost everything in the Passat except for the visual parts (lights, led), body panels or aero parts.

On average, it shouldn't cost more to service a 2.0 Passat compared to the 2.0 Camry. Please refer to the cost of servicing the cars to the following pages. This is strictly following their servicing guides to the letter. Unfortunately, no service guide exists for the KIA Optima GT or none that I have come across online

https://toyota.com.my/ToyotaOfficialWebsite...01707/Camry.pdf
https://cdn.volkswagen.com.my/media/Kwc_Bas...2-0-updated.pdf

The 5 year free service does not apply to the 2.0 Highline - which is a pity.
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post Aug 10 2017, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Aug 8 2017, 11:42 PM)
My Elantra Sport and the rest stock Elantra Sport in the world boost 10 - 13psi = no more than 0.9 bar. The car also run K03 twinscroll turbo from BorgWarner.

Your Elantra Sport boost 1.5 bar until 5000rpm and use VGT. You sure stock or you make the crap out of air?

You sure brand new ah? Your ego to win until twisting everywhere or you don't know anything about Elantra Sport?

Go ahead to edit your old post and say you never said Elantra Sport boost 1.5 bar and has VGT. C'mon edit your old post and call me liar. I'm waiting bro.

So Civic 1.5T use what turbo is a secret? Hahaha, it is all over internet. First day it launch people already doing tear down. Your friend never tell you ke? Yeah crazy American. Or they are all unverified source.
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I wasn't aware that the k03 borgwarner unit was a twin scroll in the Elantra Sport. The K03 unit powering a mk6 GTI was a single scroll, as is the latest mk7 GTI (using an IS28). Many different flavors of K03 variants I guess.
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post Aug 10 2017, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Aug 10 2017, 08:07 AM)
Yes you are right. This K03 has exhaust manifold and turbocharger in single housing specifically designed for the 1.6 T-GDI.

Our Dr Jay call anything not twinscroll/VGT primitive. Walau eh, GTI primitive ke?

Press release
https://www.borgwarner.com/en/news-media/pr...urbo-gdi-engine

One Audi owner wrote in to BornWarner about K03. Not exactly related to our discussion but very good knowledge for myself.
http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/the-f...k03-turbo.5970/

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It is more or less relevant. Based on the discussion, can assume that the model they are using for the Elantra is likely to be one of the models in those series or something newer. I won't be surprised if it's the same mk6 GTI turbocharger unit. If there's a k04 upgrade option for the Elantra then that's 300hp looking right back at you.

The integrated exhaust manifold is probably designed by BorgWarner as these has been done for some time on earlier and current VW/Audi models.
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post Aug 11 2017, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Aug 10 2017, 04:23 PM)
The main issue with VGT is heat, the additional components don't hold up well with heat. VGT mainly used by diesel because the peak exhaust temperature is lower than petrol combustion, so heat issue on diesel engines is less of an issue. Also, VGT somehow has better advantages in inducing EGR for emissions reduction.

Further, because of the ability to vary the exhaust flow, the turbine itself can be larger than non VGT type. With larger turbine also means larger exhaust, thereby mostly eliminating the need for a wastegate.

VGT on petrol are really on a handful of car that you can count with your fingers. And for these special application, very high grade materials (likely aerospace grade) will be used to construct the turbocharger. And with such aerospace grade materials, it is much more costly to procure.

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It's not here yet but it is found in the new 7.5 Golf. Specifically the EA211 1.5 petrol engine.

1st mass market petrol engine with VGT TC. The production cost impact probably offset by the sheer volume of cars they are selling now.
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post Aug 23 2017, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Aug 22 2017, 09:55 PM)
VW Polo 1.2T priced over Rm100k, it coulf still sell because it doesn't lose to NA 1.6L variant. Because it worths unlike Fiesta 1.0T vs 1.5/1.6L case.
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Back in 2010 to 2013, yes. Now... cannot already.

The 1.2T 2nd hand value asking price (2010 model as an example), about 25 to 32k.
Actually if I'm not mistaken, the asking price for a 2011 Polo GTI also around 55k on Mudah

That's why the Vento (polo tsi replacement) is priced much more reasonably now, plus they are also still throwing price on that model every now and then.

I pity those Polo 1.6 owners though, just recently got a few 1.6 models that was sold at RM30,000. Not sure if it was unreg older model or pre-reg, must be left over stocks or something.

Go look up Mudah, damn sad - a Fiesta of the same year also worth more than the Polo tsi and a Polo GTI is about the same price as a Fiesta 1.0 of the same year bangwall.gif
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post Aug 25 2017, 09:56 AM

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You guys really going way too off topic here. I am quite surprised the moderator still hasn't stepped in to clean up so many unrelated topics.

On a serious note: If I was a forum troll, I would be laughing at you guys for getting so easily ignited. You guys are just adding more fuel to burn laugh.gif
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post Aug 25 2017, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Aug 25 2017, 02:28 PM)
Passat 2.0, can get 280hp by simply ECU remap right? I read somewhere that the engine can handle the stress, no need to strengthen it.
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280BHP Can. On wheel 280 then will need to decat and go with a 3 inch downpipe.
If you want to push higher power, can upgrade from the stock IS28 turbo to IS38 turbo. On wheel then can hit about 343whp? But will advise to upgrade pistons.

Brakes can go with the Golf R brake upgrade or even higher like 4 pot/6pot

Want tighter roll control and cornering? Change to stock absorbers to kwv3.

Pretty much all set then



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post Aug 25 2017, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Aug 25 2017, 03:40 PM)
The factory supplied clutch pack can tahan 343hp?
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The transmission has been known to take 500nm of torque.
Some will recommend upgrading the clutch pack of the wet clutch to handle even higher levels of torque.

 

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