The new engine specs are already out and some more from official statement, take your time to search and read. The numbers are not plucked from the air.

So did you actually went down your car and asked that poor sonata driver what happened to his car? That you so damn sure that some shit mechanical shit happened? As i said, i've seen various makes of cars broken down road side, but i don't speculate as i don't know what really happened. it is just so misleading to say just 1 unit broken down means all of it is shitty engineering.

If you read my posts properly regarding the CVT vs DCT, i emphasised that the mechanical efficiency/inefficiency of either units are really nothing much to worry about. If take into account ECU and TCU programming, then it depends from make to make. No one actually made a like for like comparison before using same engine but different transmission, so no conclusive numbers. The driving behavior has the largest and most noticeable impact and next is traffic condition. My old vios, i can get 15-16km/L, but my mum's friend drive the exact same model, even slightly newer get only 11-12km/L; that's what i mean by driving behavior and condition.

What do you actually mean by messed up wiring? We're discussing about ability to solve and if the SC brings any specific car model into the showroom, definitely a copy of service manual will be provided by the principle engineer from HQ's engineering department. So what is there to worry about? And if you want to talk about electrical faults, european makes have higher risks compared to asian makes. And for those asian makes that have fault, highly due to aftermarket modification. Car manufacturers are sharing more and more similar electrical components as there are only a handful of suppliers that manufactures such CANBUS electrical modules.

Mazda is good, that's why I bought after selling off forte followed by Santa. Ever since I stopped aiding the Koreans end of 2013 gradually and stopped early 2014, they just keep deteriorating with sales began slumping that indirectly affecting my Santa's TV. Worst thing happened ever since they angered my members that were supposed to lend a helping hand if they are hired in early 2015 that they went personal.

Nobody has any interest to buy the Optima GT? Even in the Optima thread in Car Club also no interest. Has Naza gone too far on the pricing this time?

Nobody has any interest to buy the Optima GT? Even in the Optima thread in Car Club also no interest. Has Naza gone too far on the pricing this time?

Just in case anyone has yet to see a 2017-registered new Cerato ... 

Messed up wiring also you don't know ? Do you know that car that is old, you plug in diagnostic tool can't get you proper reading? At worse, can't even tune. So if the SC only afford to hire unqualified mechanic that only gets training, if he doesn't know how to find fault and lacks engineering knowledge, ends up asking you to change wrong parts. If no spare part need to order and wait type, you could end up sending the car to workshop several times without the actual cause being solved.

This is why people prefer Toyota, Honda coz they have SC and engineers on standby. Even the worst case scenario, you can get experts to save your car. Not left stranded on your own.

I saw new VW Tiguan and Subaru Forrester with latest plate driven by private owners throughout raya celebration several times. But where are the new Korean cars that claimed selling higher figures this past few months of 2017 before losing out in May? I can still see new Subaru when they made 300 units sales a month back then.

Just in case anyone has yet to see a 2017-registered new Cerato ... 

When you say old, how old is old?? When i mentioned CANBUS standard, there is no such thing as messed up wiring anymore, other than the physical wiring part itself is at fault or the owners decision to modify at their on risk. Also, since implementation of OBD II, pretty much all makes uses that interface for models starting early 2000. You say cold car no spare parts, fine. But how come my manager's sister car kena bang, lighting cluster gone, new honda civic, parts still on waiting list for months? Thankfully is not some serious mechanical part, if not kena stuck in SC for months...right?? Wrong?? You got contact for shortcut to get parts, i pass to my manager to settle the sister's car parts problem?

The biasness you harbour is just appalling, any new korean cars on the road, definitely belongs to the staffs or management company car. What you comment is always hyundai/kia's SC is shit, shitty cars, shitty sales, shitty service, shitty "strategies", shitty staff, shitty management, etc....and oh ya shitty battery placement    If REALLY is so, why we don't hear mass complaints of unrepaired cars, repeated break down, months to get a service slot, etc. It is not something far fetched to imagine, because this actually happened to VW past 2-3 years. Was it due to VW having vastly more sales than the koreans? Not really that time. The real fact, any uproar against hyundai/kia? Macam tak de leh....

You say you see on a few occasion of new tiguan and forester, but i don't see any of it on my end. Do i doubt the sales figure of those 2 makes, no. but i understand that what i see is not a real reflection of the complete situation.

those who can afford this car will probably got no time to post nonsense in lowyat forums. all here tok kok and wayang only.

quite a few have been registered on the road and i've been told the first owner in malaysia is a lady in her mid 40s.

I think both Cerato and Selphy made the same huge mistake, tune the suspension all the way to the extreme soft side like magic carpet even softer than Toyota 2 generations back. Crap driving dynamic, no road feel, floaty highway ride. Passengers get carsick on long distance highway.

You comment based on what you think? Stop tok kok la. Cerato is not like what you have described. You probably haven't been into one.

Ppl tok about optima GT in this thread you ppl want to slam kia just because you are toyota/honda fansi. Ppl like you tok kok so much even if kia win awards and more reliable you all still dont buy one.

You guys think RM180K for a 242HP/353Nm car is expensive? The alternatives are Passat 2.0TSI, MB C200, BMW 320i, Audi A4, Infinity Q50, etc which are all more expensive. The Volvo V40 T5 comes closest in price but do you like that weird crossover shape and do you want to maintain a Volvo? I think the Optima GT will sell, it's just a matter of the market getting used to the price. Those who can look beyond the brand can see that it is value for money.

I think unless the buyer is a KIA fan, 99% will go for the top spec Accord or Camry. The 3 series is just RM30 grand away.

It'll suffer the same faith as the Ford Fusion? The big big one. Look very nice with I think 240HP. But nobody is buying it.

If the KIA Stinger is selling at this price yes I think people will buy. But not for an Optima.

KIA is considered a budget mass market brand. The Germans however are known as luxury brand.

It's like Xiaomi. Yes it is selling millions and at the top 5. But if you put the best specs and sell at RM5k as the iPhone 7 plus you think people will buy it?

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This. Or would you rather pay RM200K for a Passat 2.0 where the roof lining comes off as "normal" wear and tear?

The Optima GT is certainly on my shortlist after I pay off my existing car loan. I have no problem with its price and I'm not brand snobbish. Show me another car with equivalent power and torque and better value for money and I'll consider it too. Volvo not considered. It isn't a car you can keep and sleep soundly without warranty. Nor a Passat for that matter.