Oh wow....implying it yourself then pusing your words....seriously great "respect"

Putting on the hat of a "commentator", using the impassioned image of standing on the great ideologies for open/transparent discussion and freedom of speech, bemoaning on the declining quality of comments, with approaching 40 years of "industry experience", seeing unfettered lies....got to clap hands dude

And just few years ago, you're the same person who points out all the good points that you now turn it to bad points...

With the great irony in preference to commenting in absolutes, not willing to consider some context, subtext and pretext of a given matter, people give another side of the view or requesting clarification or refuting you, but anything contrary to your views, confirm kena label as die hard korean fans or employees working for hyundai/kia. ....just wow....

No harm to point out issues, but your unreasonable amplification and constant unnecessary alarmist tone, that is something to reflect about. Certain subjects are not as simple binary like the CPU/GPU example you gave to the moderator. For CPU/GPU, the points to consider are just a handful, the max performance, performance per value, and to some degree, cooling performance and form factor considering the sizeable demand for HTPC. Nothing much subjective other than some people preferring how bling bling the LEDs are. But coming to cars, got so much more to factor in as people have different personal preference for any given price point, but you make it seems so binary.

Optima GT turbocharger is outsourced ??? When did manufacturing of Kia Optima GT outsource to 3rd party ? Mind to share with us what is the company name ?
If what you mean is the turbo turbine then I can answer yes, FYI, most of the car manufacturing in the world do not make their own turbo turbine, BMW, VG, Audi, MB, Honda, Toyota do not make turbo turbine.

I advise you to do some homework on Hyundai engine before giving any nonsense comment, please check the objective of development of nu engine and Theta engine respectively.
A lot of enhancement(not only engine tuning) has been done on Theta engine use in Kia Optima GT as compare with the 1st version of Theta use in 2010, At least I would say Hyundai is honest, they did not play around with engine code name even though they can change it to new code name, technically it can qualify as a new engine. Take the current Honda engine 2.4 EarthDream as example, Initially I though it is a new engine when it launched 3 years ago, but I found out it just a gimmick, this engine is almost the same as K24 engine which was developed at 2002, Honda just did some enhancement on existing K24 engine and market it as EarthDream engine, what's wrong with Hyundai did the same thing and keep using the old code name, what say you ?

It is not an issue if you share with us the serious flaws, but the problem is you are keeping to tell us the flaw with some point is not make sense and obviously you are bias and not from the neutral point of view.

I still remember you are the one who put a lot of flame in Autoworld/Nissan forum in many years ago, at that time you commented Nissan car is not worth a single sen, this round is Korean car, so what is next ? Honda ? Toyota ?

and Last I would like to update you, Most parts in Nu GDI is identical with Nu MPI engine

If you comment like that, he will use this opportunity to gloat and humiliate you, and he won't care to explain or share the knowledge. But i'll fill you with some details since it is publicly available info, just need some effort to dig a little, think a bit and linking things up.

Yes, most turbochargers used by car makes are outsourced. The major players are Borg Warner, Honeywell Garrett, Mahle, IHI and Mitsubishi (maybe also Turbonetics). This part is some serious precision engineering and cutting edge material science that most car makes would prefer to spend more attention on parts that are more visible to the user (like the exterior design). And if i remember correctly, the turbocharger used in this optima GT should be from Mitsubishi.

On a side note, here's some lay down why Theta II was used. Initially, the Theta family was the product of an engine alliance join venture by 3 major car makes, mainly Mitsubishi, Chrysler and Hyundai/Kia. Mitsubishi ended up with the 4B1 family, Chrysler with the World engine series and Hyundai/Kia with the Theta. The basic construction of the engines are pretty similar, but each make has their own hand of tweaking and tuning it for their products.

From the use of Mitsubishi's turbocharger, i deduced the reason for turbo-ing the Theta II instead of the Nu family is due to the fact that Mitsubishi has a wildly successful hand on it, the EVO. Meaning it is strong enough to handle the additional pressure and loads of turbocharging it. Other readers, you heard this first, for those looking for aftermarket upgrades, aftermarket tuners won't feel so unfamiliar with it to bump the performance of the engine, of course with uprated parts. This Optima GT has the capability of turning into an EVO like monster. But they will feel odd at first.

The Nu series is part of hyundai's own development, from the learnings of the Theta and also the need to bridge a gap between the Gamma and Theta engine families. So presumably, they are taking it slowly step by step. Maybe it will be turbocharged in the future, further refined to replace the Theta family or it may be scrapped and the learnings will be used to develop a whole new engine range.

A failed marketing and product planning that led to poor sales and no spare parts is best described with CPU and GPU that failed to come up with working driver.

As for your comments on past Mitsubishi Chrysler alliance with Korean, that was the chance for Korean carmakers to obtain technology to compete with Japanese. Upon seeing little success, the kiasu Koreans think they could do better on their own and ditched Mitsubishi and Chrysler. If you compared the original theta and early theta 2 and gamma, these engines were more refined. The newer version that the Koreans replicated on their own are rough and tend to transfer less efficient power to wheels.

Any car company that fails to provide safe long term ownership deserved to receive criticism. Totally wrong product planning, failed strategies that cause owners to lose resale value badly are most serious offense. Worst is they rejected best people for the job that led to current disasters. Based on the Koreans current course, most likely the few seriously failed models could end up like the few cars in photos below after 7 or 10 years where owners suffer from zero resale value and left with no spare parts.

Audi-VW 1989cc engine block from old Audi 100 2.0E 1994 is identical to 2007 Audi A4 2.0FSI engine. Can they share spare parts? No, almost nothing can be shared despite similar engine code with different heads. Nu GDi is made for more powerful combustion with totally different head. You want to say the same? Theta i4, theta II single VVT and theta II dual VVT already have parts that are totally different. Now theta II GDI in Optima GT?

Koreans mentality veered off from practical to money oriented thinking owners will change cars like how they change phones. That's why they fail. Had they hired ace strategist like my few friends, they would have ensure the Koreans don't go off track unlike the idiots they hired that personally won't buy Korean cars nor knowing what they're doing.


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So the reason for this hatred is because your friend failed to be employed by kia/hyundai Malaysia?

top speed berapa? 2.0 T can do 220 only?

The only reason why all the flaming towards Korean car

240

240? 2.0T i expect 270kmh

I think the so called ACE Strategist is himself la. Rejected by Korean Company, so now spreading all the hate here.
Nobody in their right mind would hire such employee.
Last time Kind Strategist, now Ace Strategist. Next will be Hyper Ultra Mou dak Deng Strategist.

K Thx Bye before he come and flame me

Wah..since when become chassis, thermodynamics and physics engineer? Even experienced auto news journalist don't simply make such claims but you

How much more rougher?

How much less inefficient?

How much more incapable ar??

What are the metrics you used ar??

Be very careful of what you want to say, because what you commented on the engine alliance is falsehood, the other way round was true. It was hyundai that came out with the general blueprint for the engine block and headers. And it was then Chysler (now FCA group) that decided to end the joint venture and buy out both mitsubishi and hyundai's stake.

http://www.automotive-fleet.com/news/story...r-business.aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Engine_Alliance
https://www.automotiveworld.com/analysis/78...ngine-alliance/

I think the friend thingey is a facade of saying that they didn't hire him. But regardless, he will sway like the wind wherever the wind blows. He/his strategist friends are just lucky opportunists that managed to hop to Honda at the right opportune time.

So much ego to claim the global and regional team's effort as their very own.

Can go higher, but pay more for higher rated tyres, strengthened internal components and enhanced suspension to handle that additional speed.

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Anggur masam ke

Did I say Nu MPI and Nu GDI is 100% identical ??? What I trying to say is most of the parts is identical, don't try to tell me both type of engine use different engine oil filter and air filter...

Based on the parts number I got from stockist, the short block, throttle body, VVT mechanism, oil pump, water pump, MAF, O2, EGR valve, PCV and many other parts is all identical, the diff parts is fuel injector, fuel pump, cylinder head, spark plug and of course the ECU.

Top Car manufacturer in 2016 (Based on the total number of cars sold in the world)

2.Toyota
3. Renault/Nissan
4. Hyundai/Kia
7. Honda
10. Suzuki

The ranking is telling the truth

I 100% agree that Malaysia authorized Korean car distributor need to improve their marketing strategy and after sales service, they still left behind from the Japanese brand competitors, nevertheless we able to see the improvement over these few years but this is not enough to change the old school perception from the public.

Yes, they need to hire ace strategists...

Confirm not enough if they sell it cheaper than Jap but replace/take-away some nice-to-have equipments down to Perodua/Proton & Almera level.

I don't know about UMW but if next wave of Honda facelifts all comes with Honda Sensing, those local Korean distro can just follow VW Drop Everything sales promotion just to break-even or offer 0.88% interest rate promo. Even a 10 year warranty won't help anymore.


Well just hope those Jap stays where they are for quite sometime, then this round of Kia Optima GT might have some chance to sell a few.

@kapalterbang_737
@overfloe

Don't twist the story and made up your own. I stated clearly they failed to safeguard the long term ownership of buyer being the main reason. They failed to hire capable ace strategist after I stopped spoon-feeding, the resale value of Korean cars keep slumping while their sales volume keep diving drastic. If distributor failed but principal doesn't it could save the day. Unfortunately, principal also ignorant that only point finger at distributor for failure.

My Santa Fe 2011 gets poorer resale value than Honda CRV 2011 when I sold it in early 2015. I sold it before the Korean brands killing their own models leaving owners on their own like old Kia Clarus and Sonata 1998 owners. The moment they started bringing i40 fighting own Sonata, i30 fighting own Veloster with crazy high throwing discount on all models with sales slumped to almost bottom for cars categories are all because of failed incompetent people. I quickly run first. Check how many staff got laid off.


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Nobody is twisting words here. Tell us, have you worked with hyundai/kia before? Sounds like you have.. and it sounds like you are venting out your frustration.

currently have any pre-reg unit for optima GT ? or any 1 that bought this car?

You took only propaganda news from Korean company? If Koreans are that capable, they won't rebadged, get serious protectionism from their government and failed to replicate for so long. I bet you don't have general common sense knowledge on replicating materials. They don't have ability to replicate nor reverse engineer technology. Korean car company gets backing and funding from their government. Older Korean cars bought engines from Mitsubishi and gearbox from JATCO.

After year 2000, they paid a lot to Mitsubishi and Chrysler to help build advanced engine that the 3 could share. Mitsubishi 4B11 is most advanced able to generate 200Nm@4000rpm while Korean theta i4 could only get 189Nm@4000rpm. Ofcourse Mitsubishi reserved some tech for itself. Theta 2 single VVT tweaked up to gets 194Nm@4300rpm while theta 2 dual VVT gets 198Nm@4600rpm. Despite higher output, theta 2 dual VVT cannot beat 4B11. Korean car company relies on buying foreign technology and engineers to build new engines while Koreans claim credits like lembu punya susu, Sapi punya nama. If they keep such practice without much effort on replicating and learn how to build (which is very difficult), China that is doing the same thing could easily overtake especially China is more interested in reverse engineering.