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post Nov 26 2020, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(shyan90's @ Nov 26 2020, 02:49 PM)
Ya..tv cabinet and and TV bracket.
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TV cabinet (BESTA) hanging on the wall, is using the suspension rail.
Similar to METOD kitchen.. you just need the cheese head screws (not CSK flat head), 2 inches screws and 50mm wall plug is sufficient. The weight is distributed among 10-15 screws so each one take less than 10kg.
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post Nov 26 2020, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(chamelion @ Nov 26 2020, 11:32 AM)
you hammer the wall with nail?  blush.gif

18V drill (GSB 180-LI) is a good choice and will last long as it also has a multi-purpose role. it can use as a screwdriver too.

Do take note because there is no hammer function, you will need drill longer for the wall (brick) and even longer for concrete.
If you want to spend, then get a cord hammer drill and a battery drill.

Use the hammer drill to drill the wall and the battery drill to fasten the screw into the hole.

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mybad, GSB 180-LI have impact function which is even better. just this will do the job.
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Easy to remember,
GSB = B for Bang = got impact
GSR = R for reverse = only reversible, no impact (cannot bang) laugh.gif

QUOTE(hinfinitie @ Nov 26 2020, 12:00 PM)
Yeah hammer with thick nail, overestimated my ability sweat.gif

Thanks for the explanations!! Would you suggest any cheaper brand/model? Or lower end 12V ones. Just to do this particular job.

Don't think we will use it very often, might end up collecting dusts.
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GSB 180 should be better idea. The 120 is light duty. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Nov 26 2020, 08:42 PM)
Easy to remember,
GSB = B for Bang = got impact
GSR = R for reverse = only reversible, no impact (cannot bang)  laugh.gif
GSB 180 should be better idea. The 120 is light duty.  sweat.gif
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GBH = B H = Bang Harder? biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by yushin: Nov 26 2020, 08:49 PM
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post Nov 26 2020, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(yushin @ Nov 26 2020, 08:48 PM)
GBH = B H = Bang Harder?  biggrin.gif
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GBH rotary hammer can Bang Harder devil.gif rclxms.gif bangwall.gif
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post Nov 26 2020, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Nov 26 2020, 08:42 PM)
Easy to remember,
GSB = B for Bang = got impact
GSR = R for reverse = only reversible, no impact (cannot bang)  laugh.gif
GSB 180 should be better idea. The 120 is light duty.  sweat.gif
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only when I need to get the replacement then only go read.

also less read less self poison... blush.gif
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post Nov 26 2020, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Nov 26 2020, 08:39 PM)
TV cabinet (BESTA) hanging on the wall, is using the suspension rail.
Similar to METOD kitchen.. you just need the cheese head screws (not CSK flat head), 2 inches screws and 50mm wall plug is sufficient. The weight is distributed among 10-15 screws so each one take less than 10kg.
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Ya..besta.
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post Nov 26 2020, 11:39 PM

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hello all, got a question here.. was going to do some drilling on the wall but unsure if there is any water pipe/metal behind the wall, could anyone suggest me a tool (something like stud finder?) to do this check?
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post Nov 27 2020, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Nov 26 2020, 08:33 PM)
Those sleeve anchor are very commonly available.
The separated ones (called drop in anchor) are easier if first time installing - if the inner part's skirt doesnt open, then the anchor won't mount anything. Easier to remove the bolt and try again.
Sleeve anchor can be a suicide mission if the hole not deep enough or the skirt fail to open all the way.

Drop in= https://shopee.com.my/-100--ORIGINAL--SIN-H...ByABEgLX_fD_BwE

Sleeve anchor = https://shopee.com.my/SYW-SLEEVE-ANCHOR---W...BCABEgLJHfD_BwE

For drop in anchor they will write the bolt size - metric M8 or M10 size or those in inches 1/4 or 5/16 so u need to get the right bolt (size and length need to be just nice - no need full length (there is a stopper halfway) if using drop in.
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The drop-in anchor is designed for concrete material. It is not meant for brick or cement wall at all. It would not give proper grip.

The sleeve anchor most contractor just hammer in and cut the remaining bolt, but actually it is not that hard to remove if you drill to proper depth.
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QUOTE(RokXIII @ Nov 26 2020, 11:39 PM)
hello all, got a question here.. was going to do some drilling on the wall but unsure if there is any water pipe/metal behind the wall, could anyone suggest me a tool (something like stud finder?) to do this check?
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There are many stud and pipe detector in market nowadays. They are relatively cheap compare to labor cost laugh.gif

https://shopee.com.my/search?keyword=pvc%20pipe%20detector

Since many pipes are PVC, ABS or Poly, then it would require something different. You can find them in link above and they are relatively more expensive.

Anyway standard electrical and pipe routing is normally horizontally and vertically. So, if you see pipe outlet, you can guess the path generally. Avoid drilling vertically or horizontally aligned with power outlet or water outlet.
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post Nov 27 2020, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(shyan90's @ Nov 26 2020, 11:25 PM)
Ya..besta.
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If you are new, my advise is to get a nail marker too. Only rm5-15 depend brand. Knock a small dent as your drill point.

The loose sleeve is an issue as explained. Just make sure you drill the hole with correct bits (6mm) and 2-3mm deeper than the wallplug so it can fit properly.

If the wall plug hole is not 90° into the wall, the board panel might not fit. Just tap with a mallet is ok one. But if you tap too much, the sleeve might loose too. Just to learn along the way.

M6 or 5/6 is the most common smallest size in msia. You can find them in any hw shop. M5 and below is a bit rare. 2 will be beyond tha load of besta can store and if 4, it is very strong. So if you have any mistake, even mount using 3x m6 bolt is beyond a 2x1 besta load.

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QUOTE(shyan90's @ Nov 26 2020, 11:25 PM)
Ya..besta.
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Firstly before any mounting make sure to have a spirit level.
Ideally about 80cm or so not too long, not too short will be easier to control.
Cheap one about 16-20 bucks from hardware shop, boleh pakai also lah.
But if want instaworthy tool then this one is good stuff also (going on clearance): sola spirit level


For the TV cabinet (https://www.ikea.com/my/en/assembly_instructions/besta-suspension-rail__AA-1272162-10_pub.pdf ) page 12/ step 4 describes using at least 4 screws (wall plug) mounting per unit of the besta box.
This is as per chamelion post above, just drill 6mm hole, insert wall plug 2" and use 2" screws confirm will work perfectly.


For the TV bracket technically even if you mount a 60" TV (taking Sharp LC-60LE650U Spec as example, 55.1 lb / 25.0 kg without stand 61.7 lb / 28.0 kg with stand) so no need to really use heavy duty mounting.. technically four or six 2" screws like besta style already can support because weight is very light (7kg per screw or so only). However, depending on the TV bracket mounting hole size this would impact whether u can use screw or need to figure out the sleeve anchor part.

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QUOTE(hinfinitie @ Nov 26 2020, 08:50 AM)
Dear sifus, plan to drill a hole here to hang photo rack, as you can see tried to do it manually but failed  sweat.gif

1. Looking to buy our first power tool (noob here), is GSB 180-LI enough for this job, or overkill? Min requirement cordless.

2. Any cheaper alternatives? Don't mind China Taobao stuff. But prefer something that lasts longer.

3. Going to renovate new house as well, having a set of better tools will be better?

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Update:
Got a China brand cordless drill 21V + 2 batteries (with hammer function) from local hardware shop (RM 160, shopee might be selling much cheaper but too many variations), then Bosch X33 bits, wall plugs, job done.

3M mounting tape collapsed after a day sweat.gif

Thanks a lot for the advices!!

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QUOTE(hinfinitie @ Dec 11 2020, 07:44 AM)
Update:
Got a China brand cordless drill 21V + 2 batteries (with hammer function) from local hardware shop (RM 160, shopee might be selling much cheaper but too many variations), then Bosch X33 bits, wall plugs, job done.

3M mounting tape collapsed after a day  sweat.gif

Thanks a lot for the advices!!

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Superglue can stick even a car to the billboard; but the wall paint may not hold. tongue.gif
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post Dec 12 2020, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Dec 11 2020, 02:38 PM)
Superglue can stick even a car to the billboard; but the wall paint may not hold. tongue.gif
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this superglue or epoxy adhesive hmm.gif
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post Dec 12 2020, 03:14 PM

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Is GSB RE 10 starter set a good investment for home diy which include drilling hole for ceiling lights ?
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QUOTE(getalong6165 @ Dec 12 2020, 03:14 PM)
Is GSB RE 10 starter set a good investment for home diy which include drilling hole for ceiling lights ?
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5041467/+4

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4309490/+3644 if making this kind of hole in wall you need rotary hammer.

If your ceiling light hole just a 20c coin in plaster ceiling any drill also can.
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post Dec 12 2020, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Dec 12 2020, 03:46 PM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5041467/+4

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4309490/+3644 if making this kind of hole in wall you need rotary hammer.

If your ceiling light hole just a 20c coin in plaster ceiling any drill also can.
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Just drill hole to install surface downlight at the ceiling, for condo any ways. Wanna DIY do .

Not the 2nd link type of hole sweat.gif
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QUOTE(getalong6165 @ Dec 12 2020, 08:40 PM)
Just drill hole to install surface downlight at the ceiling, for condo any ways. Wanna DIY do .

Not the 2nd link type of hole  sweat.gif
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Attached Image this is how they normally construct high rise (with concrete floor slab).

Oh on the floor slab (concrete slab).
Then recommend to get rotary hammer. Rotary hammer drill for wall plug very easy 5 second per hole effortless. Normal drill / impact drill will take u forever like 5min per hole while user pressing body weight into the drill.

Elcheapo ones from Mr DIY overheat fast and thus may not be that great if need to wait long long for it to cool off if you need like 40-50 holes done in one shot. Coz I think you would probably be installing more than one light.

Cheap decent rotary hammer one can get the Daewoo as shown by hirano post which I just replied to earlier this morning. https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=99245906

One step up is those from bigger name Stanley Hikoki Bosch Makita.
Usually cheaper to get wired tool with just the rotary hammer. Bits you won't need whole collection of them for wall plug, 5.5/6mm for #8,#10 wall plugs shud be standard and will cover most wall plug. #12 wall plug need something bigger like 6.5mm bit (this is not so commonly used IMO). For sleeve anchor aka tv bracket you can then pick up the necessary 10mm or 12mm bit later on.

For wood or metal these no need impact or hammering so chuck adapter (for smooth round shank convert to SDS plus) needed ya. This adapter 10-20 bucks only.

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For bit, just buy one you need. Not necessary to get full set. Standard wall’s screw fastener/anchor is 6mm.
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Dec 12 2020, 09:20 PM)
Attached Image this is how they normally construct high rise (with concrete floor slab).

Oh on the floor slab (concrete slab).
Then recommend to get rotary hammer. Rotary hammer drill for wall plug very easy 5 second per hole effortless. Normal drill / impact drill will take u forever like 5min per hole while user pressing body weight into the drill.

Elcheapo ones from Mr DIY overheat fast and thus may not be that great if need to wait long long for it to cool off if you need like 40-50 holes done in one shot. Coz I think you would probably be installing more than one light.

Cheap decent rotary hammer one can get the Daewoo as shown by hirano post which I just replied to earlier this morning. https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=99245906

One step up is those from bigger name Stanley Hikoki Bosch Makita.
Usually cheaper to get wired tool with just the rotary hammer. Bits you won't need whole collection of them for wall plug, 5.5/6mm for #8,#10 wall plugs shud be standard and will cover most wall plug. #12 wall plug need something bigger like 6.5mm bit (this is not so commonly used IMO). For sleeve anchor aka tv bracket you can then pick up the necessary 10mm or 12mm bit later on.

For wood or metal these no need impact or hammering so chuck adapter (for smooth round shank convert to SDS plus) needed ya. This adapter 10-20 bucks only.
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Thanks for the clarification . Much appreciated


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