i always physicist are the smartest bunch ...

awkward bout secks?? come on man..i myslef need secks at least once every 2-3 days

I'm reading this thread as well. It seems that that word is used a lot there. Not surprising

Surprising buttsex is surprising though

buttsecks is surprising... surprisingly pleasant that is

anyway.. yeah... this country is heading deeper and deeper to what I have in Iran..or was it Iraq..

Yeah, there's not a lot of good news coming from Malaysia these days. Like it or not, that's where I was born.

If a simple question like whether you can cook with wine or not can rile people up, it's not looking good.

Anyway I'm done here. Hello long weekend! Thank god for bank holiday!

Sos e-fatwa


Seems like 3 things of concern
-The alcohol content (the alcohol (ethanol) itself is poison, less than 1% of alcohol volume/volume of food/drink is okay though)
-The intent/niat (making anything with the intent of making something intoxicating is haram)

-And then there's this;

QUOTE

Manakala minuman  ringan yang  dibuat dengan niat dan cara yang  sama  seperti  proses  membuat  arak,  sama  ada mengandungi banyak  atau  sedikit  alkohol atau alkoholnya disuling adalah haram diminum

Which implies the process itself.


Fuck it. I've tried to make sense of this.
Tapai shouldnt be halal.
First, the alcohol content itself.
sos ethanol dalam tape
Then look how much beer fermentation made. Literally the same potential amount (as expected, the process literally the same as beer/wine fermentation).
Second, you cant reliably regulate the fermentation process. The ragi used and sold are not documented. Users could get strains that make methanol instead of ethanol, or a good brewer that produce more alcohol than usual.
Fermentation rates are not linear. This could make the process go out of hands.

Of course you dont see cases people go blind/mabuk near tapai stalls/because of tapai because people dont usually eat tapai as much as people drink beer.
Besides, nondrinker usually underestimate the drunk threshold. Seriously, drinking a can of beer wont get me drunk. Ofcourse, it will show in breathalyzer, but it wouldnt even give me buzzs.
Inikan pulak semangkuk tapai kecik.
But in essence, allowing tapai consumption is like saying "minum wine sikit je takpe sebab tak mabuk pun".
If you find that blasphemous, so does allowing tapai consumption.

This post has been edited by xelrix: Apr 29 2017, 09:38 AM

whenever topic touch "certain" topic, it will stir and fry for pages

Haroom la bodo, tu pun nak tanya.. buttseck also haroom too..

nope. nobody was talking about 'islam sampah'. you might have brought it up, but that was just you.

and we're debating about the difference and similarity between cooking wine and tapai. you disagreed, fine. still doesn't make you right, by literal interpretation.

and why nuke a thread that so far, has not been contaminated by flotsam and jetsam? you should worry about that even more, a corrupted mind is even worse than a corrupted body.

so please, stop deviating.


glad to have a man of science on board. it's nice to have a perspective from the other language of God.

in the end, when it comes to religions, there's a lot of grey areas that are open for intepretation, which can lead to askewed view. and don't even think of putting all the whitecoats into one island. we have enough madmen running around causing chaos and destruction.

wait, why am i reminded of pinky and the brain?

anyway, happy holidays!


why simply claiming what is halal and what is not do not cut for me. you not just need the believe, but also the understanding behind it. of course, it might look to be tedious to non muslim, but the idea of halal is not just about cleanliness, but healthiness as well. after all, all religions has the right ideology about the well being of its worshipers, but for the implementation by the so called guardian, based on their perception

and once you do, to consume or not to consume, is between you and Him. as long as it does not harm others, i am no god to judge or persecute.

20 years ago is probably halal. Now is haram. This is malaysia in 2017

you eat pork or not?

Fabularis If you think you would feel bad after using it in the cooking for them, then prevent yourself from doing so. You will get different answers from different people. Don't rely on their answers. They are not perfect. Remember they rely on scholars. Scholars are humans. Humans are imperfect.

There you go.

Drinking wine is haram bcoz its intoxicating effects.
Eating someting like tapai also haram.
But somehow, eating something cook with alcohol is not intoxicating..so halal all the way. Unless you steal that food la.

its not the method of processing or purpose that makes it haram. The "purpose" makes the act of producing wine become haram, not the wine itself.

wine/alcohol by itself is not haram. It become haram when you drink it causing you to become intoxicated.

Its the effect of the substance that makes it haram not the substance itself. People always misjudge this matter by comparing alcohol to babi/pig. And pig are not haram by itself, it become haram when you eat it. Pig are considered as "unclean/najis" unlike alcohol/wine is not considered as "unclean/najis".

If alcohol is najis then those people who eat tapai = eat najis & those doctor who apply alchohol on skin before injection = apply najis on you. And also every bread with yeast will also become "najis bread" because the yeast produce alcohol & CO2 after some time in the dough causing the dough become expanded when baked.

My personal opinion about using wine/alcohol in cooking fall on the grey area because you cant estimate how much exactly alcohol still left on the food and everyone have different threshold on alcohol tolerance, some people might get drunk easier and some people dont.

So when fall under grey area then better avoid it lah.

edit: OCD

This post has been edited by KiRin_KisHi88: Apr 29 2017, 12:52 PM

Yes. Avoid.

Simple

Don't cook a dish that need wine

Don't cook pork

If your family is ultra religious

Why use cooking wine in the first place

Cook something else like Malay food lah

U Bodo ke

It's common sense

How to make beef bourguignon without a good red wine???????????
Anyway if you already live a life of sin........need I say more????????

Worrying about halal/haram when your topics usually about you and another guy banging each other's bontot.

its not haram if not bikin mabuk
unless there's babi inside the wine
or you cooking babi, then you cant eat that la
pakai otak la. wine is not babi

Are you one of those people that pandang serong on sexy awek going into surau to pray?

If you are, fuck you in the arse. Hard