if i want to drop 1700 to 1600 and add ssd

which one better performance in rendering 1700 with hdd or 1600 with ssd?

AMD Ryzen 7 1700 - RM 1599
ASRock AB350M Pro4 - RM 399
G.SKill Aegis 16GB (8GB x 2) DDR4 2400MHz RAM - RM 570
Palit GTX1050 2GB GDDR5 StormX - RM 565
Kingston SSDNow UV400 120GB SSD - RM 237
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 219
FSP Hexa+ 550W - RM 210
Tecware Alpha - RM 219

Total: RM 4018 (ETECH price inclusive of GST)

A discrete GPU is included mainly for hardware acceleration (CUDA) on supported software.

roughly rm7500 with gtx 1080 without monitor... thanks
Any preferable monitor with 2k wide screen... Probably not 144hz but 75-100hz.. possible?

Hi guys!

Need your help to quote for cheapest price available for these specs. am building a deep-learning rig for research.

My budget is around RM 5K. Would love if your suggestion can trim it down further.

i7 or Ryzen
ATX mobo, for future upgrades.
16GB Ram
GTX 1060 6GB
SSD + 1TB HDD
Power supply = need a reliable one as the rig would sometime runs for 24h.
Case = cheap but has good ventilation.

"A discrete GPU is included mainly for hardware acceleration (CUDA) on supported software."

can you explain more on this?

wanna ask tat does ES (engineering sample proc) rig allow to promote here

Intel Core i7 7700 - RM 1397
Gigabyte H270-HD3 - RM 515
G.SKill Aegis 16GB (8GB x 2) DDR4 2400MHz RAM - RM 570
Zotac GTX1080 8GB GDDR5X AMP! Extreme+ - RM 2929 (This model is the new variant with the improved 11Gbps GDDR5X memory)
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD - RM 474
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 219
EVGA SuperNova 550 G2 - RM 459
Phanteks P400 Tempered Glass RGB - RM 379

Total: RM 6942 (ETECH price inclusive of GST)

You can upgrade to 7700K (overclockable setup) since you still have some budget left if you want.

2k wide screen as in 16:9 right? (21:9 is ultra wide) ViewSonic VX3209-2K (8bit color 75Hz), but color accuracy is not so good out of the box, need some tweaking.

CPU: Intel all the way (for now) if you plan to get Nvidia GPU because they seem to underperform when pairing with Ryzen CPU (or wait till it gets fixed).

ATX Mobo: Gigabyte H270-HD3 should be the cheapest H270 chipset ATX mobo now, B250 ATX is very close to RM 500 so H270 is more worth to buy.

RAM: 16GB DDR4 2400MHz RAM (Value RAM will do if you want to save money)

GPU: There is a new GTX1060 6GB variant which comes with an improved 9Gbps GDDR5 memory module such as Zotac GTX1060 6GB GDDR5 AMP! Edition+, other cost-saving brands are Palit and older 8Gbps Zotac.

SSD: Any cheap SSD is fast enough to feel the vast speed improvement from the traditional HDD, if you don't really care about the speed difference (mainly 4K sequential write and write), then look for WD Blue/Green, Kingston UV400, Samsung 750 EVO etc, otherwise look for Transcend 220/370, Samsung 850 EVO, Corsair LE Force etc, the price difference could be huge (+/- RM 100 is possible between them)

HDD: WD Blue or Seagate Barracuda will do, avoid 5,400 RPM drive as they are pretty slow for modern games nowadays.

PSU: EVGA SuperNova G2 (tier 1 Gold)/GQ (tier 2 Gold), Superflower Leadex Gold (tier 1 Gold), CM V series (tier 1 Gold), Corsair RMx (tier 1 Gold), I listed out all the expensive one since you did mention you are going to get something that is reliable

Casing: Can consider Tecware Alpha if you aren't looking for any fancy casing with RGB lighting, it comes with 3 casing fans (2 intake and 1 exhaust), save you some money since you don't have to buy more casing fans to improve the airflow.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/gpu-applications.html

For example, if you have a CUDA enabled GPU, you can benefit from these features:

Autodesk 3ds Max
Supported Features
• 3D modeling, mesh and surface modeling, improved Nitrous viewport performance, iray rendering - See more at: http://www.nvidia.com/object/gpu-applicati...h.yYrbzIL3.dpuf

Adobe Photoshop CC
Supported Features
• Over 30 effects for smoother image manipulation in Mercury Graphics Engine - See more at: http://www.nvidia.com/object/gpu-applicati...h.yYrbzIL3.dpuf

We do not use ES processor for rig recommendation here, all of them are based on retail unit price.

Thank you!

Okay, to be more specific: I want to play games smoothly at high-utra settings at 1080p 60fps (witcher 3, mass effect series, skyrim, fallout, gta 5, da: inquisition). I've seen benchmarks and by looking at what is mostly recommended here, I've decided on a build centered around a gtx 1060 6gb. One question I have is, for this exact purpose, is an oc rig necesary? K processor and z270 mobo, or is a locked processor + mobo just fine?

Whatever the answer to the above is, how about an rm4k build that can comfortably play games as specified above with upgradeability in mind?

60 FPS is hard to guarantee as there is always a scene that can cause FPS to drop (like massive clash, too many objects to render etc.), if your 60 FPS means in average then it is possible most of the time

OC doesn't bring significant performance improvement in gaming (little to none in general), absolutely no point to get a K CPU unless you have a lot of budget to spare.

For rig with 4k budget, you can consider adding an SSD to the build and upgrade the i5 to i7 to eliminate (or reduce) any kind of CPU bottleneck when you run a CPU demanding title.

Guys, I want to ask for Windows 10 do we still need to buy new Window every time they come out with a new one like old time? For eg back in the day when we had Window XP when we want Window 7 we need to buy again. But from what I see Window 8 users got upgrade to Window 10, I'm thinking is Microsoft going the to be like MacOS where u get free OS upgrade as long as your hardware can support it? And I want to ask if we change CPU or Mobo do we need to buy Window 10 again?

This post has been edited by Nemozai: May 5 2017, 06:14 PM

Is this the right time to build a PC with ryzen processor ? Since many things are still not optimised for Ryzen and still a lot of stuff to be released for Ryzen such as cheaper motherboard because I'm on tight budget. I scare I might be missing the chance to purchase better things after I built a pc. Is r5 1600 consistent and future proof to 5-6 years? Is it worth to wait for Vega over the current rx500 series graphics card ? Please advise me and correct me if im wrong , thanks!

Nobody knows what's the future plan of Microsoft, they might give users free upgrade again in the next version of Windows or just charge users with premium price

Windows 10 key is tied to your mobo.

OEM key: cheaper, but can only be activated once.

Retail key: expensive, can re-activate on a different machine even if the key is used before.

Changing other components will not revoke the activation.

Do you need VEGA? Are you going to game on high resolution and ultra high settings? If you are just a casual gamer and play games on 1080p then the current lineup is already enough for you. Leaks show that VEGA might just barely beat GTX1070 in benchmark so don't get too excited for it.

About the Ryzen consistency, well, new thing or stuff tends to have some issues in its early stage, the poor overclocking ability of the new Ryzen CPU might take away the "future proof" tag as people normally overclock their CPU (just like the mighty i5 2500K now) to overcome the CPU bottleneck issue, who knows if this might become the real problem for users in the coming years? Perhaps wait for Ryzen 2 or Coffee Lake?

The latest Windows 10 now activated on digital certificate. If you have an activated Windows 10 with most recent update, you'll be able to re-activated in with change of hardware. I did it recently with motherboard change, windows booted as non-activated, but prompted to activate by reassigning the hardware. Technically the certificate was transferred to my new hardware, together with Office. Couldn't be happier.

Compare to AMD Piledriver, Ryzen is a CPU with new micro architecture and process node, so of course there are still much improvement can be make with it.

But do not worry, as AMD promise will work with major developer to optimize their code to work better with Ryzen. In fact, AMD already release a few microcode update to address the memory compatibility issue of Ryzen.

And Ryzen can oc, but only in moderate, as the factory clock/frequency is already a bit high around 3GHz to 4GHz.

For multitasking, a hexa core Ryzen will also works much better compare to other quad core CPU like i5.

in fact, windows 10 is introduced as SaaS, so it would getting incremental update rather than major release. for example, win 10 1507 -> 1511 threshold 2 -> 1607 anniversary update -> 1703 creator update.

for changing cpu or mobo, it need to depends on your windows version, if retail, it should be fine and can be reactivated without require new license.

This post has been edited by Ebony & Ivory: May 6 2017, 12:27 AM

Would not recommend downgrading CPU for SSD. You can always add SSD later.

ayy thanks so much for the help man

what do you think of this build?

i5 7500 - 849 (idealtech)
msi gtx 1060 6gb oc - 1299 (viewnet)
msi h110m pro-vd plus - 269 (viewnet)
kingston d4 pc21333 2x8gb - 508 (254 x 2 - compuzone)
samsung 850 evo 250gb - 482 (compuzone)
wd blue 1tb - 210 (compuzone)
corsair vs 550w - 248 (compuzone)
corsair carbide 100r case - 250 (viewnet)

Total: 4115

as you can see I used the extra money to put in ssd and additional 8gb ram. should I have instead upgraded the other parts like mobo or psu? let me know what you think.

my future build will be something like this but change the monitor to Dell U2715H (aim for 60Hz 1440p gaming at ultra setting only).
May I know what is the difference between Samsung 960 and Samsung 850 for SSD? price almost double for the same size.. and a single 8gb ram enough for this build? Also the Mobo, will Gigabyte Z270-HD3 enough?

Wats the benefits of asrock ab350m compare to gigabtye a350m gaming 3?

Is fsp hexa tier 1 or 2 psu? Rating?

If i were to go for micro-ATX mobo, what's the cheapest option out there (with 4 dimm slots as consideration)? found out that the price for RAM is high even for a value RAM, will this trend continue or is there any chance it will drop?

960 is M.2 version. 850 is SATA.

If you spend that much, go for 16GB. Eventually it will need that much.