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post Jun 5 2017, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 3 2017, 10:54 PM)
I bet some noobs will ask "what is a wrap account" , and Avangelice will be a nice guy and tell him / her about warp account... for the 1,101,101th times.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 5 2017, 10:21 AM)
Taaa Daaaa! See what I mean?
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Haha God help us all.. whistling.gif

All these basic terms and financial jargon can be known by reading a few post up only.. mega_shok.gif
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post Jun 5 2017, 10:32 AM

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hi guys , just do my transaction this morning . as long as the status shows "pending" then i am do it correctly right? cause the status is showing pending , but still got the "pay now" button which quite confusing.
p/s: already received email that my FPX transaction is success
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post Jun 5 2017, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(walkman660 @ Jun 5 2017, 10:32 AM)
hi guys , just do my transaction this morning . as long as the status shows "pending" then i am do it correctly right? cause the status is showing pending , but still got the "pay now" button which quite confusing.
p/s: already received email that my FPX transaction is success
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blush.gif if you received the email that the FPX transaction is a success before 3pm..
A email confirming your purchase will be sent to you in the later part of the day..
Be Patience and Don't worry! rclxms.gif


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post Jun 5 2017, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jun 5 2017, 10:34 AM)
blush.gif  if you received the email that the FPX transaction is a success before 3pm..
A email confirming your purchase will be sent to you in the later part of the day..
Be Patience and Don't worry!  rclxms.gif
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noted ! thanks bro smile.gif
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post Jun 5 2017, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 3 2017, 10:42 PM)
I participated in India fund since the start of 2015 and it gave me a ROI of 30% within two and a half year period; 11% if annualized.

Yes, according to Algozen™ ver. 4, the higher or more aggresive port still feature India, but those moderate to aggresive moderate port do not have India.

With regards to how much to allocate India in the aggresive port, I have to recheck my data. It is contain therein my laptop and I left it in my office. I will update you guys and gal on Monday when I am back in my office.

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Out of the twelve port simulated using Algozen™ ver. four, only four times India appears in the port and they are mainly found on the aggressive ports. Out of the four times, the most aggressive port gives a 10% exposure to India whereas the rest only gives a 5% exposure.

Lower risk port, India is not recommended. Algozen™ version four only simulate aggressive to moderate only. I purposely left out conservative ports because to me a conservative port is a waste of time and / or there are already very good substitute ( e.g., ASX FP UTF, FD, KWSP ) for it in the market. No need to reinvent the wheel.

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post Jun 5 2017, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(yupng @ Jun 4 2017, 09:58 PM)
What is the best correlation value?
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negative one is the best correlation value. If you can find one, I'll give you a fluffy teddy bear.

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jun 4 2017, 09:13 AM)
This comes in at the point when Malaysian equity had performed well for 2 quarters and the general feeling is that Malaysian equity will not be doing as well in the subsequent quarters.

But who knows, riding on the GE wave, it will do well for at least another quarter .....

I guess it is holding for long term so it does not matter. sweat.gif
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In half a year period Lee Sook Yee wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif UTF shown us her tigressness (16%)

I have excluded KGF because previously I did not have the MYR correlation matrix. My bad. If I had it, Algozen™ version three would definitely have included KGF and not emphasized so much on Selina Fund. cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif My bad, my bad, my bad....

However, she successfully recommended TA - GTF, India & RHB AIF right? You guys who followed her, made some moolah in TA - GTF, India & RHB - AIF right? I know I did.

That is why now this is Algozen™ version four (the 4th Gen). It is always a work in progress.... Algozen™ is not perfect, like Skynet, she is ever improving. Thank you all for walking this journey with me and have faith in Algozen™.

Algozen™ ver one (1G) is experimental... very crude. Unrefined. Amateurish. It worked but at a very base level.

Algozen™ ver two (2G) was an epic disaster. Recall China real estate cooling measure in mid 2015?

Algozen™ ver three (3G) worked fine. She took us through the roller - coster ride of Grexit, Brexit, China circuit - breaker and all the way to Trump fiasco without much bloodshed...

Now,

We have Algozen™ ver four (4G).... let's see whether she is a darling or a wretch!

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post Jun 5 2017, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(Zero Correlation @ Mar 22 2017, 10:24 AM)
My nick already suggested I couldn't get it lor  sweat.gif

I wish to have it too. In lieu of that, I do guesswork lor. Like ponzi 1.0 doesn't seem to be highly correlated to ponzi 2.0 although they are in the same segment since ponzi 1.0 is mainly in asean and ponzi is aussie, HK and india
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QUOTE(idyllrain @ May 29 2017, 05:00 PM)
You can copy paste the URL in the window of the Morningstar Portfolio X-Ray into a new tab, and change the "USD" at the end of the URL address to "MYR" to make it calculate performance based on Ringgits. Then click on the PDF link to open the PDF report with the correlations and it will be in MYR.
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Yay! Finally 2 months later someone show how to get MYR correlation! notworthy.gif

For negative correlation, so far I only observe RHB islamic bond has negative correlation with a lot of foreign funds, but at least now can find more funds with low correlation with each other compared to the USD version
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post Jun 5 2017, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(yupng @ Jun 4 2017, 03:27 PM)
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what is this ?
How to analyze this?
Any sifu can help
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Extracted this from my medical book. Hope it can help you visualize and understand correlation.
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post Jun 5 2017, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ May 31 2017, 10:11 PM)


For India, see above reply to yklooi.

KGF has excellent low correlation coefficient to all the other nine UTF in my bucket list. That is why it is included in all twelve of the simulated port even though its risk to reward isn't fantastic, it is just that it provides excellent diversification.

Take note I purposely did not include Ponzi One and Kapchai fund because both of them are closed. I also purposely did not include Ponzi Two because somehow morningstar do not have corr-coeff value foe Ponzi Two MYR UTF. Becuase of the absence of data, Ponzi Two by default is not included into Algozen™ ver. 4 simulation. 

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For ponzi 2.0, you need to pick the right fund name >> CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Inc
Not the MYR one, then you can get the correlation data
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post Jun 5 2017, 04:59 PM

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really wish xuzen had data for Ponzi 2.0, don't think it's right that Ponzi 2.0 is taken out from multiple portfolios just because there was corelation value available in Morningstar
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post Jun 5 2017, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(Zero Correlation @ Jun 5 2017, 04:35 PM)
For ponzi 2.0, you need to pick the right fund name >> CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Inc
Not the MYR one, then you can get the correlation data
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thumbup.gif Thanks....i too clicked the wrong one i suppose....
now got it liao.

but still wondering why the AHSBF is 0.64 correlated to TA GTF?? rclxub.gif

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post Jun 5 2017, 05:33 PM

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i was discussing with my mother about fsm and all these platforms in general and she has concerns on their legitimacy. what kind of evidence does fsm provide to show that they actually made the investments on your behalf? do they provide a proof of purchase from the trust fund itself?
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post Jun 5 2017, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(Vintage @ Jun 5 2017, 05:33 PM)
i was discussing with my mother about fsm and all these platforms in general and she has concerns on their legitimacy. what kind of evidence does fsm provide to show that they actually made the investments on your behalf? do they provide a proof of purchase from the trust fund itself?
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The fact that they are regulated under SC?
They have branches in Singapore and Hong Kong, both are financial hubs, do you think they can escape auditors for so many years.

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post Jun 5 2017, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 5 2017, 04:59 PM)
really wish xuzen had data for Ponzi 2.0, don't think it's right that Ponzi 2.0 is taken out from multiple portfolios just because there was corelation value available in Morningstar
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In lieu of missing Ponzi two corr - coeff input, I used RHB - AIF as a proxy since both of them have high correlation, Algozen™ ver four simulated and none of the port has RHB - AIF in it. This, I may conclude that if I were to put in Ponzi two UTF into the mix instead of RHB - AIF, the result will probably be the same with Ponzi two UTF as well.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 5 2017, 06:35 PM)
In lieu of missing Ponzi two corr - coeff input, I used RHB - AIF as a proxy since both of them have high correlation, Algozen™ ver four simulated and none of the port has RHB - AIF in it. This, I may conclude that if I were to put in Ponzi two UTF into the mix instead of RHB - AIF, the result will probably be the same with Ponzi two UTF as well.

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post Jun 5 2017, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 5 2017, 06:35 PM)
In lieu of missing Ponzi two corr - coeff input, I used RHB - AIF as a proxy since both of them have high correlation, Algozen™ ver four simulated and none of the port has RHB - AIF in it. This, I may conclude that if I were to put in Ponzi two UTF into the mix instead of RHB - AIF, the result will probably be the same with Ponzi two UTF as well.

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damn......oh well! que sera sera
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post Jun 5 2017, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jun 4 2017, 06:21 PM)
Top up as of June.

1)Switch all RHB AIF to RHB EMBF 5k+ with profits of 4. 86% since October 2016
2) Top up 2k into Esther Bond fund.
3) Entered 2k into KGF, I am still holding kapchai fund
4) Top up TA Global of 500 myr (still weary of tech Giants)

Total profit as of now
-6.76%

I am still holding Ponzi 2.0, Cimb Greater China and  Manulife India. I have a firm belief they will serve to prop up my returns.

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What makes you switch all RHB AIF to EMBF?
I tried reading previous posts saying algozen recommends so...I guess this is based entirely on technical analysis? I'm still not sure what to do with AIF and EMBF, both having same % and entered at same time (Aug 2016). So I did nothing except put 1k into KGF. Now holding army not moving (chinese idiom)
and is there a reason you topping up TA Global if you are weary of tech giants? If weary of them shouldn't we start pulling away?
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post Jun 5 2017, 10:04 PM

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Looking at the discussion regarding correlation prompted me to use the Morningstar portfolio thing.

Each fund can only have one price and one unit amount. I tried only putting in the entrance values only. Does it automatically reflects the changes due to distribution of units in its x-ray analysis?

And with a well diversified (or not so diversified) portfolio, we can only select one benchmark at a time? What should be the most suitable one? Does it automatically assign one most suitable based on the underlying stocks style?

I am quite intrigued in the info and technical stuffs shown in the pdf exported but I almost have no idea what I am looking at, I think they are beyond my current financial literacy level (what the graphs and diagrams mean, how are the values being derived).. Anyone can shed some light?
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post Jun 5 2017, 10:09 PM

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Next Algozen™ ver four readings shall take place early Jan 2018. I do not want to rebalance too many times. I think it does not add value if rebalance too frequently. Twice a year should be good enough, unless something major event happens or in finance parlance "black swan" event occurs.

Algozen™ ver three went for one an a half year without making any major changes until idyllrain came up with her / his teaching on how to obtain MYR denominated correlation matrix table.

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