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post Feb 9 2017, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 9 2017, 10:40 PM)
oh no not that Frankenstein fund. until now I still not sure how they managed to tie up Indonesia with two other countries with vastly different culture and governments.
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Perhaps it is the economies of scale.
These threesome has the largest population in Asian region.
China 1.4b + India 1.3b + Indonesia 0.24b.
Another common thing is that they are production powerhouse with cheap labour (not so much for China nowadays)
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post Feb 10 2017, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(Eddy924 @ Feb 10 2017, 08:03 PM)
Do u guys think it's worth to pay little bit more sc (5.5 vs 2) on buying the funds with bank? Coz in FSM all depends on personal experience & awareness, while in bank at least there is one person ready for your enquiry, although noted FSM have client support channel via email, however recent enquiry reply like "copy paste" statement, I don't find their advice to me is constructive. But i aware lower SC = faster to break even, to see the return. And my investment plan start with minimal purchase then constantly dump in money for long term investment. Need some suggestion here, do u all start with self study on funds (through FSM) or learn from banker first?
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Go to the bank, talk to the RM, when you happy with the RM's advise and decided to buy a certain fund, go ahead and buy minimum, then on your way out of the bank, login to FSM and sailang. There you "DCA" on the sales charge into the same fund. If you buy 1k from the bank at 5.5%, then 9k from FSM on 2%, you'll have the best of both sides with an average sales charge of 2.35% in the example above.

QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 10 2017, 11:05 PM)
Will be interested to know what is your view on this? tongue.gif

How will it impact the fund, if any at all? laugh.gif
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I guess trying to make the NAV looks attractive, and more uninformed investors see "wah dividends", money pouring in, more business, higher demand, drives up the price.

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post Feb 11 2017, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 11 2017, 02:44 PM)
Currently, CIMB offer brokerage commission 0.0388% (min RM 8.88) per stock per day, if 2 ways then min RM 17.76, but currently, regardless of brokers, you will need to pay bursa clearing fee (0.03%) and government stamp duty fee (RM1 per 1k trading block max RM200), and dont forget about GST sweat.gif

Significantly cheaper now compared to what you experienced, but for ikan bilis like me, UT cheaper laugh.gif

p/s: still struggling to whether keep KGF or kapchai sweat.gif
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https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-Small-Cap-7981
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BETTER YEAR FOR MALAYSIA’S SMALL CAP SEGMENT

On the local front, we see better prospects for Malaysian small cap in 2017 after a lacklustre year in 2016. Catalysts are expected to come from the initiatives introduced in Malaysia’s budget 2017 which are the small and mid-cap public listed company research scheme and the government linked investment companies (GLICs) RM3 billion special fund. These initiatives are set to reduce the level of market inefficiency in the small cap segment, thus, there will be more hidden gems being discovered.

KEY TAKEAWAY

Given the attractive prospect of small cap segment, investors should look out the available small cap funds that listed in our platform. For investors who want to have exposure to the small cap segment, can consider include one of these small cap funds into the supplementary part of their portfolio, with not more than 10% allocation of their overall portfolio.

For Asia ex-Japan region, Affin Hwang Select Asia ex-Japan Quantum Fund (February Fund Choice) will be a decent choice for investors to gain exposure into the Asia small cap space given its strong track records. On the local front, investors with greater risk appetite can consider to include Eastspring Investment Small Cap Fund (our recommended fund).

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post Feb 13 2017, 12:23 AM

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Since there's an ongoing discussion on stock, I have another question I want to ask:

Does the stock price in any way represents a company's total asset?
ie. Amount of stocks held by all investors multiplied by the stock price = company's total asset?

I have more question to follow but before that I need to clear this doubt. For me I think the stock price can be in no way represents the company's total asset, henceforth when the share price increases (stock holders' capital gain on paper), it does not necessarily means the company actually worth that much.

I seem to confuse myself. Let me rephrase. I use an example below:
At IPO, Company A offers 10,000,000 shares at RM1 per share.
The company raises RM10,000,000
Then the shares are being traded in the market for whatever price based on investor's sentiment, at a certain time, it is being traded at RM2 per share.
But the company does not raise more money beyond the initial RM10,000,000 raised because the share is being traded at Bursa at a price more than the IPO price right?
Is there a mechanism to correct this situation?

That brings me to my next question: So the company made profit over time, then the capital raised from the IPO is safe at the company's keep. Then there's two stack of money: capital and profit. The company will take some money from the stack of profit and distribute it to the investor, and leave some as cash to facilitate/expand the company's operation.

So why would the share price drop when a dividend is distributed? Is there any company which don't distribute dividend?

The investor's 'capital gain' is when he sells the share to someone else at a current price above he bought it. As the price can fluctuate over time, he can gain from the dividend payout AND also selling the share at a premium.

I don't know what I am asking anymore. If someone able to understand what I mean I would be grateful to also have the answers to my concerns above.

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post Feb 13 2017, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(LazyKurosaki @ Feb 13 2017, 08:19 PM)
Then what is the different ah since we can choose our own fund also...how is it diff from putting 1k into the fund of our choice
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1. able to start small;
2. dollar cost averaging;
3. commitment to save

seriously, all the info me and friend T231H and AIYH tells can be readily read from the links posted earlier. I think it is better to read them in FSM website.

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post Feb 13 2017, 08:45 PM

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Hi friends,

it is after hours now so I ask here. Let's say if I want to mirror the FSM recommended portfolio, does it mean that

1. FSM will sell and buy/switch the existing funds into the funds within the recommended portfolio (sales charge incurred)?

2. Do I have to skim profit or rebalance the portfolio myself or FSM will do it automatically to the prescribed ratio? If so, when?

on additional note:
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/e...Pi3nEmc.twitter
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Euphoria sweeps China stocks as momentum gauge reaches 2015 high
By Bloomberg / Bloomberg  | February 13, 2017 : 8:00 PM MYT 

(Feb 13): Chinese stocks are hot again.

The MSCI China Index has surged 13% from its December low, sending a momentum indicator to its highest level since April 2015, while the percentage of members trading above their 200-day moving average has climbed above 85% for the first time since the bubble burst almost two years ago.

Improving earnings in industries such as automakers, a pick up in economic growth and valuations that trail global peers are luring investors back to a market that’s burnt optimists before. Just last quarter the gauge sank about 7% as a slumping yuan and tighter liquidity had investors jostling for the exits. This time round, inflows from the mainland into Hong Kong are helping support the rally.

MSCI Inc’s China gauge tracks 150 of the nation’s companies that have listings outside the mainland, including in Hong Kong and US bourses. Among the biggest gainers since the index’s Dec 23 low are automakers such as Geely Automobile Holdings Ltd, materials producers including Aluminum Corp of China Ltd and Jiangxi Copper Co, and social media company Weibo Corp.

The index now trades within 1% of levels last seen in August 2015, when the nation’s equities were in a tailspin following an epic boom. Shares are again looking frothy, with the MSCI China’s 14-day relative strength indicator rising to 78.8 on Monday, above the 70 level that signals to some traders that stocks are overbought.

Still, as global funds look for bargains amid a worldwide equity rally, the MSCI China Index stands out. The gauge trades at about 14 times reported earnings, a 34% discount to the MSCI All-Country World Index. A stabilizing yuan is also boosting confidence, with the currency gaining about 1% against the dollar this year. The Chinese measure rose 0.8% on Monday in a fourth day of gains.

International investors put about US$469 million into exchange-traded funds that buy Chinese and Hong Kong stocks in the two weeks through Jan 27, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Mainland funds have also been pouring into Hong Kong equities through the Shanghai and Shenzhen exchange links, with inflows this year totaling 34.1 billion yuan at the end of last week.


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post Feb 13 2017, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 13 2017, 09:17 PM)
Where do you get their FFS? FSM only put the latest one. Download last time and keep?
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For example;

https://www.eunittrust.com.my/pdf/Factsheet...00102016_fs.pdf
https://www.eunittrust.com.my/pdf/Factsheet...00112016_fs.pdf
https://www.eunittrust.com.my/pdf/Factsheet...00122016_fs.pdf

following this pattern I may retrieve up to Jan 2012

https://www.eunittrust.com.my/pdf/Factsheet...00012012_fs.pdf

interestingly you can see how things have changed over time.
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post Feb 14 2017, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Feb 14 2017, 12:02 AM)
Leave profits in the fund = the power of compound interest. Let it ride the up and downs. At 8% yearly returns your money will double in 9 years time if you do not touch the profits at all. If you take the profits, you only get 72% returns, rather than 100% returns, within that 9 year period.
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How to compound in UT? Market fluctuates, so at NAV RM1, your 1000 units worth RM1000 today. 5 years down the road with crazy ups and downs, on Feb 2022 the NAV somehow at RM1.10, but your units still maintain 1000 units, which only worth RM1100... am I missing something here?
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post Feb 14 2017, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Feb 14 2017, 06:48 AM)
hmm.gif I think I found the missing thing....those extra units from distributions...... biggrin.gif

blush.gif I know what you are try to say and meant...I was just trying to be funny and sorry to have pulled your leg  notworthy.gif

how to have the desired predetermined ROIs at a desired horizons when there are so many General Risks of Investing in Unit Trust Funds
http://www.cimb-principal.com.my/Investor_...rust_Funds.aspx
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There are many funds which do not distribute units...? For example CIMB Greater China, Manulife US
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post Feb 14 2017, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 14 2017, 04:47 PM)
late night house calls to vips and tan sris and working over time. I learned this trick from one of my tutors. treat one right and he or she will start bringing friends over.

also I am a specialist in orthopedic medicine, everyone has a back pain these days. think about it, look at children these days. wake up super early, sit in class rooms from morning to afternoon, tuition classes from noon to night, no sun,  lots of ipads and iPhones going around but not exercising. then they graduate from unis, they slog their entire lives in front of the pc and have erratic sleeping schedules.

sad to say it's going to be a lucrative business because it's better to treat a disc prolapse or total knee replacement rather than treating a terminal cancer patient
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Why sad? More sick people means more business. I'd pray every one keeps getting sick if I am a doctor. Instead in my line of work I can only pray people needs to buy more houses bye.gif

QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 14 2017, 08:35 PM)
My portfolio before it burst (if any) sweat.gif laugh.gif

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Note: I only started with ponzi 2 on the first investment date due to RSP initial investment requirement sweat.gif

other funds coming up and also in and out for RSP on the next RSP date from the first investment date smile.gif
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Roughly adds up to 80%? 20% uninvested/cmf? hmm.gif

QUOTE(contestchris @ Feb 14 2017, 08:50 PM)
No because in 6 months time the fund could go down. Unit trust is totally not suitable for a short term investment. To see returns you usually need to wait a few years. Unit trust will always rise in the long run, but in the short term there can always be downsides. You need a long investment horizon (3+ years at least) to see any meaningful returns.
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Says someone who speaks of switching/sell-buy on a weekly basis. yawn.gif
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post Feb 14 2017, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 14 2017, 09:07 PM)
Recently sold of europe, aladdin and titan

europe intra switch into global tech for temporary parking (inside tech dy)

while aladdin and titan will put in together with this month dca amount together using referral token for temporary parking

reason for consolidating these : these 4 have high correlation with US market (specifically S&P 500), so temporary put into the highest performing among them  (global tech) then only switch out from malaysia to sg tongue.gif
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I started about the same time as you do. And I'm nine streets behind bye.gif

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post Feb 18 2017, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Feb 18 2017, 12:23 PM)
You guys are lucky you never let them in.. noodles in KL will cost you Rm10 at least smile.gif
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at least? why must you only go to those atas places? Most shops noddles still priced around 6-7.
of course depending on places. for example the cow shit tarts costs RM1 each from its original place, in KL it is RM3, in SG it is $3/RM10
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post Feb 18 2017, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Feb 18 2017, 01:52 PM)
Its about reaping what you sow and rewarding yourself. The experience and enjoyment not about eating the tart or whatever.

I mean if u save your whole life living like a beggar what the point of having so much money? In the end theres no value to money if you dont use it. Takkan save until old cannot walk then use to buy medicine?

Have to balance your life between savings and entertainment
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oh you didn't get the point. It was a comment to another guy's post stating any serve of noodles in KL is 'at least' RM10. The nuance is biased towards complaining when you are having a serve of noodles.

If you are truly reaping the rewards and enjoying why would you be complaining? If he hates the platform fee, by all means put the money into another funds which does not charge him fees equivalent to a bowl of RM10 noodles. But this is derailing so I just stop there.

What makes you sell the RHB EMBF?

QUOTE(drew86 @ Feb 18 2017, 05:52 PM)
I have noticed that quite a number of portfolios have allocated a substantial portion into rhb EMBF. Would just like to point out that the volatility is by no means reflective of a normal FI fund, of course neither does the return. Something to keep in mind during %allocation.
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Care to elaborate? Do you imply that the fund manager is departing from the fund's strategy/mandate or he is doing something sketchy?
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post Feb 18 2017, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(drew86 @ Feb 18 2017, 06:44 PM)
No. I'm just pointing out that despite it being a bond fund, its volatility and returns are in fact more similar to a balanced/eq fund. Hence one should keep that in mind instead of allocating a high % thinking it is a portfolio stabilizer with amazing returns. Personally I treat it as part of my eq portion smile.gif
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Based on my <1 year old account, it is currently the best performer with an ROI of 7.32%

QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Feb 18 2017, 06:46 PM)
Oh sorry didn't get the previous conversation.

I'm putting as short term saving only then use for investing in stocks.  But the process so slow I haven't get my money yet. Now I check it seems my unit has disappeared from my account butt bank balance  is not increase. Have u sold before and what experience?
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I put in RM550 into the CMF and soon it appears in the account holding I sold RM500 and leave RM50 in the account which will sustain the platform fee for quite a while. From selling-day I think it took 4 or 5 working days for the money to be in my account. So much for 'highly liquid' CMF. shakehead.gif I never sold any fund holdings other than CMF. But hey, since the money actually came back to me as I sold, I'm a little bit more confident that FSM is not a fraud (yet). hmm.gif
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post Feb 18 2017, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Feb 18 2017, 09:25 PM)
Thanks for the share. Since it took 4-5 working days I think will show this Monday. Cmf also took so long. I never plan to put cmf anyway. My rhb emerging bond still have the min unit. I still plan invest in it just will have better planning on withdrawal next time.
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I just can't stand the bond fund entrance amount is odd number after they sell some units as platform fees just because I don't have anything in CMF shakehead.gif

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post Feb 20 2017, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(scyther @ Feb 20 2017, 03:19 PM)
Hi all,

another new comer with 0% knowledge about UT...

i just have a question in my mind and hope that some one is kind enough to answer it

In my thinking, I thought UT is much like EPF where we invest money then wait for declared dividend.
Or is much like Stock which is sell high buy low to gain some profit ?

I did read whole v18, but seems like cant get any answer for it..

again sorry for noob question..
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Simple answer: More like stock. Your aim is to buy low sell high. Difference is that stock dividend comes in cash (cheque); whereby UTF dividend (applies to some funds only) is in the form of units, whereby when a fund declares dividend, it will automatically buy additional units with the RM value from your fund dividend.
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post Feb 20 2017, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 20 2017, 06:36 PM)
Precisely. Thinking of keeping max RM10k in malaysia. Not sure where want to put. For me, I feel market is kind of expensive to enter. One part want to choose United Asian HY bond/Affin Hwang Select Bond but this will incur platform fees and I don't like to give FSM free money. So most likely an equity fund. Decision decisions....
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Being in a talk-cock forum, this came to my mind, but I think the fee is too insignificant to actually perform this:
Before the platform fee date, sell all bonds move into CMF. After the platform fee date, buy in again. Since bond funds have 0% sales charge.
But bond being bond, the price shouldn't move too much in 1 week.
The loss of leaving and re-entering the bond market a few days later? It is something for the person who is even thinking about this trick to ponder.
IF the rate of appreciation continues, probably it is the loss in terms of number of units per same RM value.
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post Feb 20 2017, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 20 2017, 06:57 PM)
It's just principal. Take some broker for eg (international ones). They charge you just for keeping the stocks you buy with them while another broker charge nothing. Both have same brokerage fees. Doesn't make sense why?

A one time service charge is better. With platform fees, even if you don't buy you kena charge. What kind of nonsense is that?  bangwall.gif  ranting.gif
Every new subsequent purchase will also kena charge. So you will kena charge double. Old fund + new fund  devil.gif
In the long run, platform fees > service charge.  sad.gif
Think of a water container with a pin hole leak. The water is your money and the pin hole leak is your platform fees. Overtime, water is loss via pinhole leak but you don't see it (cause it's too little but it's real) 

I am never a supporter of platform fees. I avoid them where possible unless no choice (see my stock eg above)

I rather FSM charge me one time service charge for bond funds than platform fees.
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Given the generally slower performance of bond to equity of higher risk, just go full equity so you get the 2% charge instead of platform fee, plus better reward.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 20 2017, 07:01 PM)
Service charge, exit fees (come up with exit fees like RHB Islamic/bond funds)?
Not possible as they charge you platform fees on how long you are on the platform. So say you buy today. Four days later you sell even though it's month away to platform fee charge, you will still kena platform fees. If you can do this, teach me.  rclxm9.gif
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oops. I didn't know that, probably because my investment is too ikan bilis I didn't bother to read the platform fee structure. For RM1000 at 0.05% it is RM0.50 per quarter. Let's take into consideration of the appreciation in value, so one year you might be paying RM3 for platform fee (no basis assumption). 2% sales charge of RM1000 is already RM20, which is about 4-5 years worth of platform fee. Correct me if my scenario here is not making sense.
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post Feb 21 2017, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 21 2017, 10:07 AM)
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...ommodities-8012

Anyone going to the event? Please share as I am curious the outlook of reits
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I would want to but I have other commitments on the day.
Hope there are others who can give a pointer or two!
However due to my other commitments I might not be doing anything to my portfolio for this year. cry.gif

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