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j.passing.by
post Mar 7 2017, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Mar 7 2017, 02:44 PM)
innocent.gif  for the Rm500/RM1000 gov allocation..  innocent.gif
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ok, noted.

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 7 2017, 02:48 PM)
No no. What I meant is for those long term people with bond allocation since you said platform fees is for short term people. So what about those long term people holding some bond funds. What choice do they have? Takkan want to switch all to equities meh?  whistling.gif
Correction. Plus for RM3k tax relief. You want to pay less income tax, then buy PRS.
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Still trying to be witty and smart... already said non-working students (which means without income) - tax relief... so smart la.

Oh, now posting and asking on behalf of other investors with long term, is it? You can answer your own question or go on trolling at your own time.


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post Mar 7 2017, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 7 2017, 02:54 PM)
If more than MYR 5K... eUt lor.
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Cannot wor... takes a few days to transfer, will lose the daily gains. smile.gif

U see, i monitor the funds very close, must mirco-manage and transfer at the right time.

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post Mar 7 2017, 03:12 PM

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smell of sarcasm is strong in this thread now.

This post has been edited by vincabby: Mar 7 2017, 03:12 PM
woonsc
post Mar 7 2017, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Mar 7 2017, 03:06 PM)
ok, noted.
Still trying to be witty and smart... already said non-working students (which means without income) - tax relief... so smart la.

Oh, now posting and asking on behalf of other investors with long term, is it? You can answer your own question or go on trolling at your own time.
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cry.gif actually, my parents got to know this gov allocation that gives an incentive for youth..
that's why I got into it the first place..

cry.gif my 20 birthday was in June 2015..
innocent.gif invested in Febuary..

Got to know that I must pass my birthday itself to be eligible and not the year when you turn 20.. ranting.gif ranting.gif
so i have 2k in prs ranting.gif ranting.gif

bruce.gif When I earn some money from the real world, then I will use PRS to reduce my Tax brows.gif
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post Mar 7 2017, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(vincabby @ Mar 7 2017, 03:12 PM)
smell of sarcasm is strong in this thread now.
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Chill la. I express my views. Those who listen and think the 0.2% is significant (like me) need to do planning.
Those who are happy to pay the 0.2%, just continue paying lo.

QUOTE(woonsc @ Mar 7 2017, 03:14 PM)
cry.gif actually, my parents got to know this gov allocation that gives an incentive for youth..
that's why I got into it the first place..

cry.gif my 20 birthday was in June 2015..
innocent.gif invested in Febuary..

Got to know that I must pass my birthday itself to be eligible and not the year when you turn 20..  ranting.gif  ranting.gif
so i have 2k in prs  ranting.gif  ranting.gif

bruce.gif When I earn some money from the real world, then I will use PRS to reduce my Tax  brows.gif
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You only have unitl 2021. After that should the gov decide not to extend the benefits, no point pumping into PRS already. sad.gif

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Mar 7 2017, 03:15 PM
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post Mar 7 2017, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 7 2017, 03:14 PM)
Chill la. I express my views. Those who listen and think the 0.2% is significant (like me) need to do planning.
Those who are happy to pay the 0.2%, just continue paying lo.
You only have unitl 2021. After that should the gov decide not to extend the benefits, no point pumping into PRS already.  sad.gif
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i'm cool man. your money, your decisions.
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post Mar 7 2017, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Mar 7 2017, 03:14 PM)
cry.gif actually, my parents got to know this gov allocation that gives an incentive for youth..
that's why I got into it the first place..

cry.gif my 20 birthday was in June 2015..
innocent.gif invested in Febuary..

Got to know that I must pass my birthday itself to be eligible and not the year when you turn 20..  ranting.gif  ranting.gif
so i have 2k in prs  ranting.gif  ranting.gif

bruce.gif When I earn some money from the real world, then I will use PRS to reduce my Tax  brows.gif
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How to be eligible to get the RM 1000 incentive? Can use FSM purchase the PRS fund? PRS fund can buy even I'm still a student (not working)? Then how they know I purchased already?
woonsc
post Mar 7 2017, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 7 2017, 03:14 PM)
Chill la. I express my views. Those who listen and think the 0.2% is significant (like me) need to do planning.
Those who are happy to pay the 0.2%, just continue paying lo.
You only have unitl 2021. After that should the gov decide not to extend the benefits, no point pumping into PRS already.  sad.gif
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u mean the tax relieve? till 2021 only? mad.gif
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post Mar 7 2017, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(Nemozai @ Mar 7 2017, 03:26 PM)
How to be eligible to get the RM 1000 incentive? Can use FSM purchase the PRS fund? PRS fund can buy even I'm still a student (not working)? Then how they know I purchased already?
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Automatic credit. But credit where don't know. Should be into PRS. Yes. You use FSM to buy, you pay 0% service charge vs banks at 3%. Student/unemployed person can buy PRS. The PRS fund will be in your name.

QUOTE(woonsc @ Mar 7 2017, 03:27 PM)
u mean the tax relieve? till 2021 only?  mad.gif
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Yup. biggrin.gif Unless the govt decided to extend biggrin.gif But my guts feeling saying they won't extend as for every tax relief they give, they are losing tax income. sad.gif
Further proof: RM3k for buying laptop/PC consolidate become RM2500 which include books. Use to be books RM1k, computer RM3k (once every 3 years) + cost cutting here and there. whistling.gif

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post Mar 7 2017, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(Nemozai @ Mar 7 2017, 03:26 PM)
How to be eligible to get the RM 1000 incentive? Can use FSM purchase the PRS fund? PRS fund can buy even I'm still a student (not working)? Then how they know I purchased already?
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YES! PRS

rclxms.gif U are lucky Gov increased the allocation. I got only Rm500..

I am a student too! PAMA scholarship now..
What I did was buy from FSM,
1 PRS Fund for RM1000, can't RM 500 for 2 PRS fund..

After it got through, I chat with FSM online, they help me apply to my fundhouse..
Then happily wait for your Free 100% ROI investment.. rclxm9.gif

This post has been edited by woonsc: Mar 7 2017, 03:30 PM
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post Mar 7 2017, 03:32 PM

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Actually ive always seen ppl advise to buy prs for the tax relief . Is it worth it to get your money locked up for so long? Sure u might get an instant 2x % return, but if u can only withdraw it in 20++ years, that means u are only getting a ~1% return p.a.
Is it worth it with only limited fund choice?
Does this makes sense?
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post Mar 7 2017, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Mar 7 2017, 03:30 PM)
YES! PRS

rclxms.gif U are lucky Gov increased the allocation. I got only Rm500..

I am a student too! PAMA scholarship now..
What I did was buy from FSM,
1 PRS Fund for RM1000, can't RM 500 for 2 PRS fund..

After it got through, I chat with FSM online, they help me apply to my fundhouse..
Then happily wait for your Free 100% ROI investment..  rclxm9.gif
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Omg thank you biggrin.gif

So now I straight away buy RM1000any PRS fund then ask FSM to help can already? No need PPA account or PRS account whatsoever right? laugh.gif
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post Mar 7 2017, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Mar 7 2017, 03:32 PM)
Actually ive always seen ppl advise to buy prs for the tax relief . Is it worth it to get your money locked up for so long? Sure u might get an instant 2x % return, but if u can only withdraw it in 20++ years, that means u are only getting a ~1% return p.a.
Is it worth it with only limited fund choice?
Does this makes sense?
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innocent.gif well, PRS is a normal fund.. which can grow..
My PRS, almost 2 years with a growth of 20% rolleyes.gif

I think if u are also going to invest in a fund, why not get the tax relieve and 0% SC at the same time..

But the choice of funds still still limited, well.... rclxub.gif
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post Mar 7 2017, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(Nemozai @ Mar 7 2017, 03:34 PM)
Omg thank you biggrin.gif

So now I straight away buy RM1000any PRS fund then ask FSM to help can already? No need PPA account or PRS account whatsoever right?  laugh.gif
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hmm.gif oh, I forgot.. Err.. If not mistaken FSM will help u open a PPA account for u.. and charge u RM10..
the fees will only occur when u invest in that year..
no fees will be applied if no funds are added..
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post Mar 7 2017, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(Nemozai @ Mar 7 2017, 03:34 PM)
Omg thank you biggrin.gif

So now I straight away buy RM1000any PRS fund then ask FSM to help can already? No need PPA account or PRS account whatsoever right?  laugh.gif
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Actually you need to apply all that from FSM laugh.gif

QUOTE(woonsc @ Mar 7 2017, 03:35 PM)
innocent.gif well, PRS is a normal fund.. which can grow..
My PRS, almost 2 years with a growth of 20%  rolleyes.gif

I think if u are also going to invest in a fund, why not get the tax relieve and 0% SC at the same time..

But the choice of funds still still limited, well....  rclxub.gif
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There's good fund like Cimb Asia Pacific PRS which feeds directly into Ponzi 2
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post Mar 7 2017, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 7 2017, 03:38 PM)
There's good fund like Cimb Asia Pacific PRS which feeds directly into Ponzi 2
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biggrin.gif yeah.. that's what I did..
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Mar 7 2017, 03:14 PM)
cry.gif actually, my parents got to know this gov allocation that gives an incentive for youth..
that's why I got into it the first place..

cry.gif my 20 birthday was in June 2015..
innocent.gif invested in Febuary..

Got to know that I must pass my birthday itself to be eligible and not the year when you turn 20..  ranting.gif  ranting.gif
so i have 2k in prs  ranting.gif  ranting.gif

bruce.gif When I earn some money from the real world, then I will use PRS to reduce my Tax  brows.gif
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Well, always read the fine lines - get all the details first before signing anything.

Another way to reduce income tax is by reducing the income. LOL.

Serious, you can reduce the income by structuring your pay, such that your employer is paying higher than the normal 12% EPF contribution. Employer's contribution into EPF is non-income and not taxable.

So, if you manage to join a company with higher than normal EPF contributions, you are way ahead of your peers when you reach retirement age. Don't have to worry too much about long term retirement savings. With what you have at hand, you can take more risk... bond and mm funds should be what they are for a youngster - temporary parking.

Cheers.

PS. Get to know what is VA (Value averaging) investment... and use it for short term objectives.


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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 7 2017, 03:38 PM)
Actually you need to apply all that from FSM  laugh.gif
There's good fund like Cimb Asia Pacific PRS which feeds directly into Ponzi 2
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Mar 7 2017, 03:41 PM)
biggrin.gif  yeah.. that's what I did..
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You guys mean this ?
CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity
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QUOTE(Nemozai @ Mar 7 2017, 03:51 PM)
Yes.
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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Mar 7 2017, 02:12 PM)
yup, they are entertaining kopitiam posts.  biggrin.gif

Keep on defending... no travel cost involved lar, since going to Sing anyway.  That's what folks used to say: "Did not fall down, just bending down to pick some sand. smile.gif

It is a 0.05% per quarter fee and it is calculated daily. Can earn back in 2-3 days as a bond fund could easily have a daily increment of 0.02%.

Also the platform fee was implemented as they took away the service charge of about 1%... it was a cost reduction, and it is appropriate for those investors with very, very short term objectives.

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Kiasu mentality

Kiasu literally means 'scared to lose'. But it actually means scared to lose to another party.

A kiasu person will have difficulties in forming partnerships or joint-ventures unless he has the lion share, as he is more concerned about the benefits the other party would gained rather than the benefits he could gained in the business partnership or in any other business transactions.

He is more worried of being taken advantage of by the other party even though the business transaction is beneficial to both parties.

The kiasu person would rather bypass the net benefits he would get and not let the other party gain anything if he perceives that the other party is gaining it at his expense.
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You kiasu defination is cool.. got it from wikipedia?! ;p


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