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post Mar 7 2017, 03:32 PM

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Actually ive always seen ppl advise to buy prs for the tax relief . Is it worth it to get your money locked up for so long? Sure u might get an instant 2x % return, but if u can only withdraw it in 20++ years, that means u are only getting a ~1% return p.a.
Is it worth it with only limited fund choice?
Does this makes sense?
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post Mar 8 2017, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Mar 7 2017, 07:51 PM)
Er... what gives you guarantee 20% return in this world?

Even if this money is stuck for 20years, it's not like this money won't grow at all, maybe it will not be much, I doubt it will be that bad that 20years later it is negative growth. If 3-4% a year, equivalent to fixed deposit, alot of ppl are happy.

Also... the money you save, can be use to make more money. If not, at least still can dump into housing loan, reduce some interest right?
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True, that instant tax relief money could be put to good use..
But i think ppl should give this a thought and think about the long term vs short term benefit of this..
Imean this is fsm thread right? Im assuming most ppl here are actively managing their money and could get a better yield of >1%pa than prs fund right?
And that is assuming that your tax bracket is near the higher tier... If lower tier then its more at disadvantage
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post Mar 8 2017, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 8 2017, 06:53 AM)
hm.. i think U are assuming all PRS funds returns <=1%pa?
heheh. please do check first - not all PRS funds as as "good"

as for short vs long term, er.. dont U think think equities will "grow in price" in the long term due to inflation, economic growth, etc?
isn't that long term thinking?

also - the tax relief, be it <=15% or >=24.5%, isn't that also long term thinking? every year, "make" that % and use the cold hard cash for FD, stocks, mortgage extra paydown, etc.?

in addition - those below 30s, with the Gov extra incentive.. still not worthwhile?

hm.. U running your own biz returning way more than the combined above in %pa terms?
if so, good BUT the above is passive or non-active income/assets.
if one wishes to compare active income - IMHO, better to use things like trading in options, forex, futures, margin stocks & flipping properties.

no absolute right/wrong, just perspectives  notworthy.gif

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Maybe I did not make my sentence clearer...
What i meant was the initial tax relief you got when amortised (new word to me) over a long period of time, the advantage is probably not going to worth it for all the hassle of PRS..
E.g. you get 20% tax rebate from the PRS, and you still have 20 years before you can withdraw this money. This works out to roughly 1% p.a. which means whatever your PRS return was that year, you add 1% return to it.
So this versus you put this money into FSM or whatever and actively manage it whereby you are free to choose between hundreds of UT products and you are free to withdraw all during a freefall..

Hope you get the gist of what I am trying to say, I aint well-versed in economic terms.. I am not disputing the power of compound interest or UT in general

My point is there are pros and cons and probably more cons than what ppl thought.
E.g. If we have a retiree-gonna-be, then this PRS income tax relief is a no brainer, since he is going to get his money back within a few years
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post Apr 13 2017, 02:21 PM

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Hi, I want to ask. If I put money into CMF, does this money count to enable me for the silver/gold status?

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post Apr 13 2017, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(luciuswks @ Apr 13 2017, 02:45 PM)
Yeap!!
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I see. Thanks
How about if get silver/gold status, but unlucky the investment tank.. will the status be reverted? tongue.gif
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post Apr 18 2017, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(hurtedheart @ Apr 18 2017, 01:06 PM)
confused.gif I thought one should top up more during dropping price, so that when it recovers you earn more / faster. Isn't there the saying: 'to be greedy when others are fearful'? Or you are fearful when the price is increasing? I thought usually is the other way round

I do not know when is increasing / decreasing, that's why I want to find out how to DCA. Not just putting in certain $, but to what extent? I can DCA RM100, RM 1000, RM 2000 and so on.., but eventually how will be the outcome following the different approach, any advise?
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DCA means you use a fixed amount of cash to buy over a fixed schedule. THere is no increasing or decreasing.
Precisely because we cannot timed the market, so we average it out over a period.

If you want to increase or decrease your topup, then it is VCA. You buy more when the fund drop, you buy less when the fund rise.
The theory is over a long period, the market always is on a rise (hand crossed). In between there will always be rise and fall. So you take advantage of it and buy more when its cheaper, and buy less when its more expensive.
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post Jun 30 2017, 10:10 AM

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What is the difference between Regular Saving Plan and by topping up myself regularly?? Do you save on some charges?

Couldn't find this in the website
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post Jul 6 2017, 10:06 AM

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Hi all,
Do you think the security for FSM is a little lax when selling fund and transferring to bank accounts? Why isn't there any TAC for confirmation.
I think most ppl here have ten or hundreds of thousands in the account, but from the way i see it, everything can be done if your password is compromised
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post Jul 6 2017, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jul 6 2017, 10:09 AM)
What security is needed when it's by law that FSM can only transfer funds to bank accounts owned by the account holder and cannot be transferred to accounts by others. This was made in regulations set by BNM to curb money laundering.
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Law is law, how well FSM implement this is totally another thing.

With a password, if you can change the bank account information (i forgot if this is possible), its possible you could transfer money to other people's account just by putting a false name?

With a password, the hacker could mess up your portfolio and buy the worst performing fund ever. For those that login once in a blue moon, is disastrous.

There is no picture identification before inputting password, there is no TAC for transactions. I will prefer to see the security aspect same as other financial institution like bank
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post Jul 6 2017, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jul 6 2017, 11:15 AM)
While what the rest have said is valid, the risk on FSM is not quite the same as the risk on online banking; FSM SG does have 2 step verification. So I guess it'll just be a matter of time before that's introduced in FSM MY

Question - Does e-unit trust and Public Mutual online has 2 step verification? That's apple to apple comparison
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Thanks for informing that FSM SG have 2 step verification. SO i wonder why FSM MY do not want to do the same? maybe we are not worth the cost to do it. sad.gif

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 6 2017, 11:40 AM)
Should be non issues as the money will go back the the bank account..

U cannot transfer to another person account..

So no purpose if people hacking right tongue.gif
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I think the redemption to own account was only introduced sometimes last year... AFTER a ruling by gov. It seems FSM have no initiative to beef up its security...

anyway, with a password they could still sell all your fund and buy some "gold fund"... tongue.gif
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post Jul 6 2017, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(akping_1 @ Jul 6 2017, 01:15 PM)
This make me think of u r get the Idea from Johson Lee JJPTR hacker trick
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blink.gif JJPTR hacking incident is a pathetic excuse to abscond with the money

Hacking in the other hand, is a world wide multi billion industry involving experts from russia, china, NK...
The threats are very real..
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post Jul 6 2017, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jul 6 2017, 11:15 AM)

Question - Does e-unit trust and Public Mutual online has 2 step verification? That's apple to apple comparison
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Just tried redeeming public mutual, it has PAC/TAC verification thumbup.gif
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post Jul 13 2017, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 13 2017, 12:24 PM)
3. What are open-ended and closed-end Unit Trust Funds?

There are two types of Unit Trust Funds in the market, i.e. Open-ended fund and Closed-end Fund.

 Open-ended Fund. This type of fund has no restrictions on the amount of units the fund will issue. When an investor purchases units in such Fund, more units will be created to meet the purchase request.
When investors redeem their units, the units will be cancelled. If the redemption amount is high, the fund manager may have to sell some of the fund's investment / underlying asset in order to meet the redemption request.

 Closed-end Fund. This type of fund has a limited number of units. Unlike Open-ended Fund, new units will not be created by the Fund Manager to meet demand from investors. Instead, the units can be redeemed / sold by the investors.

https://www.hsbc.com.my/1/PA_ES_Content_Mgm..._trust_fund.pdf

icon_rolleyes.gif peace again....

both are correct but from different perspective?
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Thank you and i1899 for the answer. I think this makes complete sense. Why should new investors affect the price of the unit. Mutual funds are not shares which sometimes traded on emotion/manipulation/insider news etc...
So i presume most of the funds discussed here are oopen-ended fund?? Since closed end fund we need to wait for available units only we are able to buy... (hmmm like Amanah saham??)
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post Jul 16 2017, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(blogomatic @ Jul 15 2017, 11:15 PM)
this is true. this technique (of passing information) usually in stocks. the early ones already put in big amount, then subsequently to their peers (2nd tiers) where more ppl buying and lastly forums (3rd tiers). all these is to push up the price, and once their target reach, they will let go everything, and the 3rd tiers ppl die.

so take whatever ppl take with a pinch of salt and make your own decision.
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But, more ppl buying does not push UT price. they just issue new units.
i dont see any other reason other than the guy wanna promote interpac fund or ?
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post Aug 2 2017, 11:06 AM

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Hi all,
What are the exact benefits of opening a beneficiary account?
The FAQ is not helpful at all.

If one of the account holder passed away, the main/beneficiary account will get all the invesment/money?
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post Aug 3 2017, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(funnyface @ Aug 2 2017, 11:22 AM)
The immediate benefit that i really like is you can track separate portfolios between main and beneficial account  biggrin.gif

I dont want my parents conservative portfolio to messing with my aggressive port, besides you can have clear cut of your money vs your beneficial money  rclxms.gif
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Sorry I dont quite get what you meant. The CS told me the beneficiary account is just for beneficiary purpose. It does not have login/password, and cannot buy/sell UT on its own.

The answers from CS is kinda rclxub.gif

To all the sifus. What i want to do is simple. I just want my wife to be the beneficiary of my investment if anything happens to me. Additionally, my wife also want to do some investment of her own.
So what shall I do? Open a beneficiary account for her and another main account for buy/sell UT??
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post Sep 25 2017, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(funnyface @ Sep 25 2017, 02:49 PM)
It will be tough...  hmm.gif

If you read few pages back, the Managed Portfolio is quite "Active"  sweat.gif , the Managed Portfolio manager did quite frequent switching by small amount across few days... hmm.gif  Do remind you that the manager pay 0% SC when do switching whereas we will be charged 1.75%  innocent.gif
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When Managed Portfolio switch fund, we get charged?? Are you sure?? blink.gif
They switch several times, there goes our yearly ROI??
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post Nov 20 2017, 02:29 PM

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Hi, you guys saw any error lately while buying fund?
I tried to topup Managed Portfolio, but got error "Portfolio require AI declaration"
AI is Accredited Investor?? Do i need this?
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post Dec 15 2017, 01:44 PM

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Guys, I wanna ask you.
I thought bonds are supposed to be low volatility and tend to do well when stocks go down..
But how from what i observed, during this dip bond also goes down as well...

Bond already not so good returns during good times, but during the downtime, it seems to goes down at the same rate as stock sad.gif
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post Dec 15 2017, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(funnyface @ Dec 15 2017, 02:22 PM)
Is your bond a foreign bond?  hmm.gif  MYR strengthen by ~5%...so is expected to drop 4-5%  hmm.gif
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affin hwang select bond and rhb EM bond...
Yes, both are foreign funds bye.gif

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