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post Oct 29 2023, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(calvin @ Oct 29 2023, 07:21 PM)
I'm looking at 7900 for now , since I need the core counts for my workload ..
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post Dec 22 2023, 05:59 PM

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it seems officially leaked from AMD website
R7 5700 non X with PCI-E 4 :x
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by right still hopping on R7 5700X3D processor launch and pricing

and also someone gets knew

The leaked unit for incoming AM5 and AM4(Processors), from leakers

anyway taking sip of teas whistling.gif

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QUOTE(mudkipryan94 @ Dec 22 2023, 05:59 PM)
it seems officially leaked from AMD website
R7 5700 non X with PCI-E 4 :x
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


by right still hopping on R7 5700X3D processor launch and pricing

and also someone gets knew

The leaked unit for incoming AM5 and AM4(Processors), from leakers 

anyway taking sip of teas whistling.gif
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CES2024

AMD launches $249 Ryzen 7 5700X3D with game-boosting 3D V-Cache tech arrive January 21, AMD also updates AM4 platform with new Ryzen 5000 ‘GT’ processors for 2024
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/...essors-for-2024

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QUOTE(hashtag2016 @ Jan 12 2024, 03:58 PM)
CES2024

AMD launches $249 Ryzen 7 5700X3D with game-boosting 3D V-Cache tech arrive January 21, AMD also updates AM4 platform with new Ryzen 5000 ‘GT’ processors for 2024
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/...essors-for-2024
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as expected from leaks

but i wanted to have a look for Ryzen 8000 series pricing as well due I'm en route for SFF builds
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post Jan 14 2024, 01:24 AM

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5700x3d sounds very compelling for those still on AM4 bandwagon, having 8cores like 5800x3d so its much better than 6core 5600x3d and not Microcenter only limited edition.
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post Mar 23 2024, 10:21 PM

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Qualcomm is come for x86 laptop, if they can improve the realtime x86 to arm64 translation performance in the future, there will be no more Intel and duopoly
https://www.theverge.com/24107331/qualcomm-...n-windows-games
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Mar 23 2024, 10:21 PM)
Qualcomm is come for x86 laptop, if they can improve the realtime x86 to arm64 translation performance in the future, there will be no more Intel and duopoly
https://www.theverge.com/24107331/qualcomm-...n-windows-games
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Problem is ARM is not X86/64 native so its to be expected translation inefficiencies. Intel tried to do the other way by using X86 cpu to run ARM but suffers the same deficiencies. The only way X86 will be threatened is if X86 apps can run natively on ARM based OS.
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Mar 24 2024, 05:20 PM)
Problem is ARM is not X86/64 native so its to be expected translation inefficiencies. Intel tried to do the other way by using X86 cpu to run ARM but suffers the same deficiencies. The only way X86 will be threatened is if X86 apps can run natively on ARM based OS.
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they need a push, like promote from big game studio Cognoverse, their native x86 anticheat of course wont work, rewrite kernel driver and native launcher and binary should not be an issue for them
the same for steam deck, they push the gaming on linux rather relies on windows, the push from valve will make the linux gaming become viable in future for casual user.

traditional x86 is good because less compatibility issue like driver and software, but the hardware duopoly from amd and intel performance progression is slow as heck, Qualcomm need to kick them form the high horse.

a few % of slowdown probably unnoticeable for casual user, as if we have time to measure fps and loading time difference
we only want affordable hardware and ease of use to play.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Mar 24 2024, 06:13 PM)
they need a push, like promote from big game studio Cognoverse, their native x86 anticheat of course wont work, rewrite kernel driver and native launcher and binary should not be an issue for them
the same for steam deck, they push the gaming on linux rather relies on windows, the push from valve will make the linux gaming become viable in future for casual user.

traditional x86 is good because less compatibility issue like driver and software, but the hardware duopoly from amd and intel performance progression is slow as heck, Qualcomm need to kick them form the high horse.

a few % of slowdown probably unnoticeable for casual user, as if we have time to measure fps and loading time difference
we only want affordable hardware and ease of use to play.
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Actually traditional X86 is rickety and built on architecture that is showing its age with the current limits of silicon tech. There are many alternative, yes ARM too, and Intel tried to move away with IA64 but due to compatibility with current software ecosystem, there is still no way to divorce from X86. Maybe will change when silicon tech replace with something else.
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Mar 25 2024, 01:31 AM)
Actually traditional X86 is rickety and built on architecture that is showing its age with the current limits of silicon tech. There are many alternative, yes ARM too, and Intel tried to move away with IA64 but due to compatibility with current software ecosystem, there is still no way to divorce from X86. Maybe will change when silicon tech replace with something else.
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X86 has many legacy stuff they keep in silicon to ensure the old software wont break but it come with a cost, power consumption
it's growing too complex and many of the software didnt fully utilize the cpu, like those instructions set, they add a new every new architecture released,

like why many of the game and software you run max ghz and it runs like a space heater, but performance still shit because part of "brain" did not get used, what they use is just raw power. the smart part of the cpu just take a back seat.

and to make sure the software run at optimal performance you have to optimize your software, preferably using the instruction set that available in the latest CPU,
sounds like easy? noooo
https://www.amd.com/en/search/documentation...factor=Desktops
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/dev.../intel-sdm.html

those are the pdfs they need to read if the game developer want their game runs with butterlysmooth FPS while no need top end hardware, so why many newly released games runs like dogshit? the upper management just want the game faster out, means the game devs has less time to optimize,
collect money first, release patch later, remember cyberpunk 2077?

cpu developer guide arent just the stuff they need to understand, there are SDK for graphic renderer/game engine, Directx 12, Vulkan, then you want more platform support? IOS, Android then Playstation...

newer cpu architecture like RISC-V and ARM surely will replace the archaic x86 if they could not keep up with the performance.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Mar 25 2024, 10:46 PM)
X86 has many legacy stuff they keep in silicon to ensure the old software wont break but it come with a cost, power consumption
it's growing too complex and many of the software didnt fully utilize the cpu, like those instructions set, they add a new every new architecture released,

like why many of the game and software you run max ghz and it runs like a space heater, but performance still shit because part of "brain" did not get used, what they use is just raw power. the smart part of the cpu just take a back seat.

and to make sure the software run at optimal performance you have to optimize your software, preferably using the instruction set that available in the latest CPU,
sounds like easy? noooo
https://www.amd.com/en/search/documentation...factor=Desktops
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/dev.../intel-sdm.html

those are the pdfs they need to read if the game developer want their game runs with butterlysmooth FPS while no need top end hardware, so why many newly released games runs like dogshit? the upper management just want the game faster out, means the game devs has less time to optimize,
collect money first, release patch later, remember cyberpunk 2077?

cpu developer guide arent just the stuff they need to understand, there are SDK for graphic renderer/game engine, Directx 12, Vulkan, then you want more platform support? IOS, Android then Playstation...

newer cpu architecture like RISC-V and ARM surely will replace the archaic x86 if they could not keep up with the performance.
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The very notion of X86 itself is archaic & legacy, even Windows now come with only 64bit version but your CPU could still (technically) run DOS programs.

Its interesting to see what ARM and other RISC arch could bring but I am hoping the future for a nonsilicon CPU to also ditch X86 for an optimised computer ecosystem.
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Wah sad - after so long still description as AM4 platform.

We on AM5 liao! brb I go fix.
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post Apr 27 2024, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 27 2024, 02:57 PM)
Wah sad - after so long still description as AM4 platform.

We on AM5 liao! brb I go fix.
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2017 thread bro. Change it to AMD for general CPUs..... They got Epyc too.
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what an ad. Ryzen 3200G. 8C16T sweat.gif

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https://shopee.com.my/AMD-RYZEN-3-3200G-4.0...831.25328221112

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ May 3 2024, 09:54 PM)
Definitely typo. Rather expensive for an out of date product.
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QUOTE(TristanX @ May 3 2024, 10:54 PM)
Definitely typo. Rather expensive for an out of date product.
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Need a least, Ryzen 5 5600g...

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My first build after 20 years. My last build was in the Athlon AYHJA & swiftech era biggrin.gif

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Ryzen 7600 non-X (rm8xx)
Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE (rm12x)
Thermalright TL-S12 fans
AsRock B650 Pro RS (rm9xx)
Acer Predator Pallas II 6000 2x16 (rm4xx)
Kingston KC3000 1TB (rm2xx)
Corsair 4000D (rm300)
FSP Hydro-G 750W Full Modular (rm4xx)

all items were purchased online (shopee) with discounts during sales.

only part missing is the GPU.. might go with either 7900 GRE/4070 Super/4070 Ti Super.

initially planned to go for 7800X3D, but Ryzen 9000 is just around the corner so decided to shave about RM700 and will use it on a better gpu instead. 7600 is fast enough for gaming.

PC boots up fast and fine out of the box, mostly default settings except for EXPO on RAM (will optimize later).


My only regret is I didn't buy 2TB KC3000 when the price was like RM400++ bangwall.gif

Gutted that ATX3.1 psu appeared a few days after I got the FSP, but no biggie since FSP bundled in 12vhpwr native cable.


So why AM5?
this rig is intended for 90% gaming. prices after discount are not much diff compared to AM4 build. good efficiency too.
i have a quadro & i7 workstation for works, so i wanted something new and different.
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QUOTE(overfloe @ May 14 2024, 04:52 PM)
My first build after 20 years. My last build was in the Athlon AYHJA & swiftech era biggrin.gif

user posted image

Ryzen 7600 non-X (rm8xx)
Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE (rm12x)
Thermalright TL-S12 fans
AsRock B650 Pro RS (rm9xx)
Acer Predator Pallas II 6000 2x16 (rm4xx)
Kingston KC3000 1TB (rm2xx)
Corsair 4000D (rm300)
FSP Hydro-G 750W Full Modular (rm4xx)

all items were purchased online (shopee) with discounts during sales.

only part missing is the GPU.. might go with either 7900 GRE/4070 Super/4070 Ti Super.

initially planned to go for 7800X3D, but Ryzen 9000 is just around the corner so decided to shave about RM700 and will use it on a better gpu instead. 7600 is fast enough for gaming.

PC boots up fast and fine out of the box, mostly default settings except for EXPO on RAM (will optimize later).
My only regret is I didn't buy 2TB KC3000 when the price was like RM400++ bangwall.gif

Gutted that ATX3.1 psu appeared a few days after I got the FSP, but no biggie since FSP bundled in 12vhpwr native cable.
So why AM5?
this rig is intended for 90% gaming. prices after discount are not much diff compared to AM4 build. good efficiency too.
i have a quadro & i7 workstation for works, so i wanted something new and different.
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Asrock Rx 7900 xt

put in another piece Kingston fury renegade 1tb m.2 nvme ssd

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