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post Mar 31 2021, 12:09 PM

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I had up my 5800x with new PSU last nite. no much time to play around yet.

Just wondering anyone try out the clocktuner 2.0.
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post Mar 31 2021, 01:32 PM

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post Mar 31 2021, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(EBBattlefield @ Mar 31 2021, 02:21 PM)
Corsair CX650M and 5800X.
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CX = Crap eXtreme

Get NZXT C650 instead
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 31 2021, 02:22 PM)
CX = Crap eXtreme

Get NZXT C650 instead
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NZXT OEM is seasonic, but Maressia warranty claim etc ok?
5 years or 3 years warranty?
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QUOTE(EBBattlefield @ Mar 31 2021, 04:02 PM)
NZXT OEM is seasonic, but Maressia warranty claim etc ok?
5 years or 3 years warranty?
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Don't know what you are talking about.

Its 10 years warranty for NZXT C650.
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post Mar 31 2021, 07:17 PM

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TSMC reported to have increase silicon price at 25% by the end of this year.

Should I grab 5600X @ RM1599 (RM200 above MSRP) right now???

This is a sad year for PC enthusiasts.


EDIT:

I also want to blame AMD for not keeping MSRP Ryzen 5 Zen3 as previous Zen2 (5600X is twice the price as 3600).

Now 3600 used also sells like new set.

This post has been edited by MrSpeedy: Mar 31 2021, 07:24 PM
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post Mar 31 2021, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(MrSpeedy @ Mar 31 2021, 07:17 PM)
https://amanz.my/2021279029/

TSMC reported to have increase silicon price at 25% by the end of this year.

Should I grab 5600X @ RM1599 (RM200 above MSRP) right now???

This is a sad year for PC enthusiasts.
EDIT:

I also want to blame AMD for not keeping MSRP Ryzen 5 Zen3 as previous Zen2 (5600X is twice the price as 3600).

Now 3600 used also sells like new set.
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If you don't already own a compatible AM4 mobo for that 5600X, no.

AMD has no reason to drop MSRP by the way - they sell literally everything they can release, considering the global shortages. Scalping just raises the prices even further.
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post Apr 1 2021, 12:44 AM

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QUOTE(MrSpeedy @ Mar 31 2021, 07:17 PM)
https://amanz.my/2021279029/

TSMC reported to have increase silicon price at 25% by the end of this year.

Should I grab 5600X @ RM1599 (RM200 above MSRP) right now???

This is a sad year for PC enthusiasts.
EDIT:

I also want to blame AMD for not keeping MSRP Ryzen 5 Zen3 as previous Zen2 (5600X is twice the price as 3600).

Now 3600 used also sells like new set.
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If you're only looking around the 5600x price bracket, then you shouldn't be looking at AMD to begin with. A 10900f can be had for roughly the same price and that's a better CPU than the 5600x.
If all you're doing is mostly gaming, a 10700f can be had around the RM1.1k point.

On AMD, IMO you either go big or go home due to the price scalping. So 5900x is the minimum since Intel has nothing to compete with it up here.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Apr 1 2021, 12:49 AM
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post Apr 1 2021, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Mar 31 2021, 10:35 PM)
If you don't already own a compatible AM4 mobo for that 5600X, no.

AMD has no reason to drop MSRP by the way - they sell literally everything they can release, considering the global shortages. Scalping just raises the prices even further.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 1 2021, 12:44 AM)
If you're only looking around the 5600x price bracket, then you shouldn't be looking at AMD to begin with. A 10900f can be had for roughly the same price and that's a better CPU than the 5600x.
If all you're doing is mostly gaming, a 10700f can be had around the RM1.1k point.

On AMD, IMO you either go big or go home due to the price scalping. So 5900x is the minimum since Intel has nothing to compete with it up here.
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Too bad I already have a PC built with B450 board (with 5000 series Bios compatible update)

This was built as my pre-graduate gift in 2019

The spec for both CPU and GPU are simply to work as a placeholder for a better spec when I got job later.

But then 2020 happened.

Until today I'm still rocking with my used 2200G and RX580.

And the CPU really starting to become bottleneck in 1080p gaming.
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post Apr 1 2021, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(MrSpeedy @ Apr 1 2021, 01:15 AM)
Too bad I already have a PC built with B450 board (with 5000 series Bios compatible update)

This was built as my pre-graduate gift in 2019

The spec for both CPU and GPU are simply to work as a placeholder for a better spec when I got job later.

But then 2020 happened.

Until today I'm still rocking with my used 2200G and RX580.

And the CPU really starting to become bottleneck in 1080p gaming.
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The 2200G can be overclocked to around 3.9GHz somewhat easily which can help reduce the CPU bottleneck. I would suggest waiting it out until CPUs are more widely available before upgrading.

RX580 can still hold somewhat at 1080p if you're not looking for very high FPS. Also with crypto being at an alltime high, if your electricity bill tier is still low you might as well consider mining, assuming your card has sufficient VRAM cooling.
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Just updated to F33i for my board due to reBAR. Turbo got nerfed. Harder to hit max boost now.
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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Mar 31 2021, 10:35 PM)
If you don't already own a compatible AM4 mobo for that 5600X, no.

AMD has no reason to drop MSRP by the way - they sell literally everything they can release, considering the global shortages. Scalping just raises the prices even further.
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Hello bro, im your 5800x buyer. lol. you also in here? haha
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QUOTE(MrSpeedy @ Mar 31 2021, 07:17 PM)
https://amanz.my/2021279029/

TSMC reported to have increase silicon price at 25% by the end of this year.

Should I grab 5600X @ RM1599 (RM200 above MSRP) right now???

This is a sad year for PC enthusiasts.
EDIT:

I also want to blame AMD for not keeping MSRP Ryzen 5 Zen3 as previous Zen2 (5600X is twice the price as 3600).

Now 3600 used also sells like new set.
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you missed early March Amazon 5600x preorder price, arrives quite late tho.

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there's still taobao units anyway if you really want a 5600x, last i checked was RM1455 for boxed units in January.
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QUOTE(svfn @ Apr 1 2021, 05:12 PM)
you missed early March Amazon 5600x preorder price, arrives quite late tho.

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there's still taobao units anyway if you really want a 5600x, last i checked was RM1455 for boxed units in January.
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Yeah, now I also feel bad.

I purposely missed the lunch price hoping AMD will release non-X variant CPU (X CPU always tend to be unreasonable expensive during Zen 2)

Now with the silicon shortage, this will become far worse each and every day passed.



ANYWAYS

I'm in a little bit dilemma, should I got for 8 cores 5800x or stick to mainstream 6 cores 5600x?

Because I'm worried with 2 things:

1. Current gen console now running in 8-cores CPU, I afraid future games will have better utilization on 8-cores compared to 6-cores.

2. 5800x has high TDP with minimal performance gain (take note, I'm on SFF built, so temp quite necessary, I watch many YT reviewer that 5800x not worth for its price due to high power usage and high temp, but can LYN users give opinion on this, so far I see people OC their 5800x, but not yet undervolt (negative PBO) on that CPU. Refer here.

This post has been edited by MrSpeedy: Apr 1 2021, 10:27 PM
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post Apr 1 2021, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(MrSpeedy @ Apr 1 2021, 10:26 PM)
Yeah, now I also feel bad.

I purposely missed the lunch price hoping AMD will release non-X variant CPU (X CPU always tend to be unreasonable expensive during Zen 2)

Now with the silicon shortage, this will become far worse each and every day passed.
ANYWAYS

I'm in a little bit dilemma, should I got for 8 cores 5800x or stick to mainstream 6 cores 5600x?

Because I'm worried with 2 things:

1. Current gen console now running in 8-cores CPU, I afraid future games will have better utilization on 8-cores compared to 6-cores.

2. 5800x has high TDP with minimal performance gain (take note, I'm on SFF built, so temp quite necessary, I watch many YT reviewer that 5800x not worth for its price due to high power usage and high temp, but can LYN users give opinion on this, so far I see people OC their 5800x, but not yet undervolt (negative PBO) on that CPU. Refer here.
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What is your current CPU you will be upgrading from? and what is your current SFF Casing/cooler. If you planning to stay on B450, you should consider 3700X or the 4750G reniors.

8 core is the current sweet spot, but in terms of games... it will be mostly GPU bottleneck. at 1080p then it will be your monitor's refresh rate can't keep up.

5600x is overpriced in malaysia, making it not a good option for now however it is also the hottest CPU right now in msia market so dont expect the prices going down. 5800X getting stable at 2.2K which is still severely overpriced but much better than 5600X.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Apr 1 2021, 11:50 PM
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post Apr 1 2021, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(MrSpeedy @ Apr 1 2021, 10:26 PM)
Yeah, now I also feel bad.

I purposely missed the lunch price hoping AMD will release non-X variant CPU (X CPU always tend to be unreasonable expensive during Zen 2)

Now with the silicon shortage, this will become far worse each and every day passed.
ANYWAYS

I'm in a little bit dilemma, should I got for 8 cores 5800x or stick to mainstream 6 cores 5600x?

Because I'm worried with 2 things:

1. Current gen console now running in 8-cores CPU, I afraid future games will have better utilization on 8-cores compared to 6-cores.

2. 5800x has high TDP with minimal performance gain (take note, I'm on SFF built, so temp quite necessary, I watch many YT reviewer that 5800x not worth for its price due to high power usage and high temp, but can LYN users give opinion on this, so far I see people OC their 5800x, but not yet undervolt (negative PBO) on that CPU. Refer here.
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try not to overpay for 6 cores, by the time next gen DDR5/PCIE5 is out and stable, will be itching to change whole platform again anyway tongue.gif

8 core consoles been around since 2013, consoles don't really fully use 8 cores, usually 1-2 cores running the OS, not directly translatable to PC cores. however new games like Cyberpunk 2077 also benefit from >6 cores especially when turning up the crowd density.

if you know your usage and need for it, then it is easy to make the choice. 8 core is a good middle option now if you plan to stick with it for more than 2-3 years.

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post Apr 2 2021, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(svfn @ Apr 1 2021, 05:12 PM)
you missed early March Amazon 5600x preorder price, arrives quite late tho.

user posted image

there's still taobao units anyway if you really want a 5600x, last i checked was RM1455 for boxed units in January.
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Waited for this for so long, ended up with 5800X. Was building when Ampere GPUs were more common than Ryzen 5000 CPUs.

QUOTE(MrSpeedy @ Apr 1 2021, 10:26 PM)
Yeah, now I also feel bad.

I purposely missed the lunch price hoping AMD will release non-X variant CPU (X CPU always tend to be unreasonable expensive during Zen 2)

Now with the silicon shortage, this will become far worse each and every day passed.
ANYWAYS

I'm in a little bit dilemma, should I got for 8 cores 5800x or stick to mainstream 6 cores 5600x?

Because I'm worried with 2 things:

1. Current gen console now running in 8-cores CPU, I afraid future games will have better utilization on 8-cores compared to 6-cores.

2. 5800x has high TDP with minimal performance gain (take note, I'm on SFF built, so temp quite necessary, I watch many YT reviewer that 5800x not worth for its price due to high power usage and high temp, but can LYN users give opinion on this, so far I see people OC their 5800x, but not yet undervolt (negative PBO) on that CPU. Refer here.
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3700X was reasonably priced, same with 3900X.

Multicore may work better with more optimized code for multicore systems, but at the same time faster IPC can also offset that. See how Xbox One and PS4 have 8 cores - but even a Sandy Bridge quadcore beats it in a true apples to apples benchmark of any multiplatform game that has optimized code for all platforms. A 5600X runs close enough to a 3700X in multithreaded benchmarks, so I wouldn't be worried.

5800X is doing decent with Curve Optimizer on a lowly NH-C14S, takes on anything except Prime95 without turbo clocks hitting a wall. I presume results will be better if you have an AIO or a better air cooler, and even more so if you have an offset bracket mount for the cooler. The CPU runs with higher multithreaded clockspeeds than other Ryzens out of the box, so tuning Curve Optimizer is definitely mandatory for it. But to be honest, main reason to get it is only because the 5900X is ultra rare together with the 5950X.

This post has been edited by yimingwuzere: Apr 2 2021, 01:14 AM
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 29 2021, 08:36 PM)
Using Fractal Design Define S2 Vision RGB. This is my fan setup.

Front - Corsair LL140 X3 (mobo controlled) - intake
Bottom - Arctic Cooling P14 PST CO PWM - (90% fan speed) - intake
Back - Noctua NF-A14 ippc3000 (2000rpm) - exhaust
Top - Arctic Cooling Liquid Freezer II 360 (mobo controlled) - exhaust
Thermal paste - Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme (lipstick paste!)

You can try this power plan as well. It makes turbo less aggressive.

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Created by Verangry @computerbase.de
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thanks alot for this PP. insta ideal from 50 to <40C.
which PP you guys select from this new PP? Ultra Low or Balance?

btw, does PCIE extender cause coil whine/buzzling sound at the gpu connector there? hmm.gif

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